Naga Projects

[Misha]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...rev=search=naga%20myrmidon&r=20&d=list&page=2 Hm this is a skin that would be veery cool in the game, if i haven't already said so

 

[Sky Green]

The skin looks cool but If a naga ain't naked is it still a naga?

 

[Misha]

yes of course. and don't even go near me with all the "no-clothes" nonsense, k?

 

[sacridshadow]

For that topic, which I hope won't continue, snakes don't need clothes underwater. their scales provide less friction, which is what they want. the armor they put on them in WoW, and maybe Warcraft 3, was for appearances, so they didn't look like just another naga. What do you think of when you see a murloc? Basically, "Oh, them again. wonderful", because you know that unless you go slowly and play carefully, you're gonna get mobbed. I doubt the armor does anything to change their stats, in WoW, so it's basically just for looks.

 

[Misha]

every race has armors.. and for naga to NOT have armors would make them weak and defenseless, kill-able with a simple arrow... talkin about logic..

 

[VeljkoM]

Actually scales are natural armor and are hard enough to stop arrows.

Though what I would like more to talk about is what that skin could be used for.

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, in warcraft, the upgrades show their skin becoming harder. I think the upgrade was called razor scales, so they do become harder to kill.

 

[Misha]

well someone likes to stare at naked naga..

 

[VeljkoM]

Ok enough its not like we will now design clothes for naga and open underwater stores.

Now better think of some ideas, suggestion or resources or move to regular discussion to talk about nagas clothing culture.

 

[Misha]

I have suggested a resource.. and frankly.. I'm pretty much the only one that makes 'em atm Not to be rude or anything.. but; one just CAN'T LIMIT the creativity in designing stuff, and that goes for designing a race as well, am i Right?

EDIT: Guidelines... that's what we should be talkin' about

 

[Misha]

Oh and Veljko... find a way to make the turtle generate slaves and auto-send them to wood. The main building looks spammed with 3 units to train

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I am not sure how will game react if unit trained units but if it doesn't crash the game I'll make it. As for auto send you can use rally point.

 

[Misha]

perhaps we could modify the "carrion beetle" ability to generate slaves.. if we can get corpses out of the equation Oo

EDIT: the rest would be a simple "harvest lumber" trigger command

 

[VeljkoM]

Well i guess changing the target of spell could work but i doubt it. And simple trigger wouldn't work duo to leaks, more then one player....

EDIT: Well turtle can't train units but it can sell them.

 

[Misha]

I've asked around in chat.. and maybe it'll get done =)

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I'll be gone till Thursday. After that I'll be free to work fully on map.

 

[VeljkoM]

So...I am back (disappointed as hell but still back). So ready to go back to work.... after all I have entire free year...

 

[sacridshadow]

lol Var and I have been playing Metroid Prime 3, and reading the Lore Logs gave me an idea for the campaign. Since I want to show some of the lore behind the continent, what better way than to use data logs? Now, I've already written about twenty four of them, and plan on them being read only. Perhaps we can use these to give hints to powerful objects and areas for plot progression. This has really helped define the events I've already come up with in the campaign. Hopefully, there'll be more I can add.

 

[Misha]

.. wonder how the slave wagon progresses.. I'll have to hit chat a little to figure..

 

[VeljkoM]

Well...till they do something I'll just give turtle ability to sell slaves and also make turtle appear first. As for slaves to wood thing well you can send them as you always do.

Great to hear Sacrid. Though must admit I am not sure where will those logs be located. In mission description or quest list?

Edit: Yea AI has problems with slaves being sold in turtle wagon. I trieed then to set turtles to be buildings but game crashed when I added them to train slaves.

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, I was thinking of using the triggers to use regions to create text boxes so people can read the logs when they want. I could also use the cinematic speech boxes for it. It'd probably be easier.

For the turtles, I suggest that you buy a turtle like a normal worker unit, which then creates a slave for lumber collection. Since you want them to be mobile lumber yards, it makes sense not to buy the turtle and the slave at the same time and price. All other slaves will have to be bought at the turtles you buy. As great as that sounds, it sounds like a huge advantage compared to the other races. Not only do naga have the ability to swim and submerge, their lumber yard is completely mobile and can be used as bunkers when needed. Are they going to get an upgrade similar to spiked barricades? If so, we can call it Spiked Carapace or Razor Shell. If not, they at least sound nice.

 

[varsaigen]

You want a mobile base for the wood to return to? Easy. TREAT base model. You turn an Ancient into a turtle, and it will be able to prosduce units. Then, you only problem is making it be able to move while still collecting the lumber. Perhaps, cut the ability to Uproot, and check "Movable" as a yes.

 

[VeljkoM]

Ugh the problem is that if turtle is a unit then AI won't buy units since turtle sells them instead of training them. If I set turtle to be building and to train units then game crashes. At the moment I placed slaves in coral beads. About ancient root ability well in mobile form it can't train units (tested with night elves). Plus AI is little retarded when it comes to units that can change shapes as he treats forms as separate units.
Oh and turtle does have spiked shell just not yet upgrade for it.

Oh and I vote for speech box or any way that would pause the game while player reads.

 

[Misha]

well.. If Tank-Commander actually makes what i asked of him, we'll have that sorted and operational..

 

[varsaigen]

So, you can't just take the Ancient's Tree of Eternity, and make the rooted version able to walk? That throws quite a hitch into my idea. :/

Edit: Hmm... I see what you mean. It remains rooted to the ground, despite the fact that I made it movable. It rotates, but that isn't the effect we were going for... :/ I think someone would have to dig deep into the coding, unfortunately.

And even turning a Hero into a building doesn't work. The construction frames don't appear when I click for a unit to be built, and the target hero can't be seen in the construction area for Wisps to build the hero.

 

[sacridshadow]

If we can't get the turtles to work that way, then let's just have it so that you have to buy the turtles and the slaves seperately? Turtles are mobile lumber mills anyway, and should be used to get upgrades like all the other races.

So, cinematic speech box it is then. I'll go write that down so I don't forget it. lol

 

[VeljkoM]

Well even when it can move then it losses ability to train units. Plus since both moving and rally point use right click building gets confused. This isn't simple triggering this is game mechanics limitation. Its more problematic cuz of AI. I mean selling units would be way easier to do but AI just refuses to do it. Currently turtle is trained from main building (and now you get one from beginning) while slaves are relocated in coral beads. It makes economy much faster.

Anyway will try to see to work on other units also. Murgul revear still lacks upgrade, sorcerer lacks 2 abilities, some units lack names and abilities... It is shame that there are no simple unit spells on hive.

 

[varsaigen]

Well, maybe we could have the turtle "root" to train units. Think about it. Is it easier to learn how to fight, or chop wood if your learning platform is moving, or if it is still? We'd be watching them chase it through the map! XD Like those really long gold runs.

But by having it uproot, it'll be able to move, and thus can be built within a fortress, before moving out into the open, for example. The lumber murguls will just need to have a turtle nearby, and I believe we can set what building they return it to.

 

[Misha]

can I worry about the darn turtle?

 

[varsaigen]

Worry to your heart's content.

 

[Misha]

good *goes to bother people*

 

[Lore-Wolf]

you can just add the ability "return lumber" to the turtle. they they can return it while its rooted or uprooted

 

[Misha]

that's what veljko did..

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I am just waiting to see solution that will work for both player and AI and since AI is retarded when it comes to turtles (rooted and uprooted turtle are treated as two different units though I did use stone form ability and AI seems to crash the game when turtles can train slaves).

 

[Misha]

hm.. what else do we have beside the darn turtle? x3

 

[VeljkoM]

Reaver, Snap Dragon, Flying Reptile (poor guy needs name), Sea Drake, Sorcerer (thinking to add to him abilty to create staff that damages every unit that casts spell), the other anomaly unit (Think we have naga Dark Templar situation xD) oh and golem. Oh and heroes could use more love.

 

[Misha]

yeah, but how would the silly AI cope with the ever-random-trained unit? Oo

 

[VeljkoM]

Why did you have to remind me of that... ok ok no prob since he'll have order to train the default unit and he'll train it only if number of anomaly is under 3-4 or something. Just like I did make so when AI reaches tier 3 he would stop making mur'guls and make Myrmidons.

 

[VeljkoM]

As we wait for the Slave trigger to be approved I wanted to ask did someone start making maps for campaign or something?

 

[Misha]

dunno.. /shrug

 

[Chaos.]

I know I haven't. Not sure about the rest.

 

[sacridshadow]

I started making maps, but I haven't touched them lately. Sadly, I'm really the only person who's worked on the plot. I thought Misha and var were going to help, but it didn't really happen. I think we had two conversations that barely focused on it for ten minutes at a time. I ended up waiting to see what we will end up with model wise. Got to fit all the units into the plot somehow, and I doubt new forms of magic will change everything. Though I didn't plan to have mutations, like normal murloc slave getting new powers, as a way to introduce an upgrade. It'd be kind of funny to see murloc slaves with a rage ability.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well although units aren't exactly finished, their roles are. So you could have stealth mission with deep stalkers for example? Taming of the flying sea drake things and things like that?

 

[Misha]

sacrid, i got tangled up in SC2 modeling wanna see how i'll manage

but really.. let's get this naga map working

 

[sacridshadow]

Ah, so we know what we'll have but not what they'll look like. okay. now, what about abilties? I know that Blizzard had some of the plots focused around specific abilties or units, like the crypt fields and their anti ir webs, or the draenei and their permanent stealth. Those were always interesting to do. And I do want to do some maps like that.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well true but to be fair it isn't needed for at least terrain. Besides many units do have abilities. And also you could make a scenario for map and then request ability you had in mind.

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, I did think of a way to introduce the naga deathknight. I'll work on it a little more before showing it. that is, assuming it works (it'd be a short cinematic intro [ie. first sighting] XD Talking will come later.).

 

[Misha]

so.. in the campaign will be more than one type of a death knight?

kinda true tho.. there are frost, blood and unholy specs in WoW x3

 

[VeljkoM]

Well in wow mages have arcane, fire and ice specs which is wrong according to real lore as ice and fire along with fel and others are part of arcane.

Anyway I am curious about heroes in campaign. Will we use the custom race heroes or are we having campaign only heroes? Or preferably a mix.

 

[Misha]

I'd.. like a mix