Modeling Competition #3 - Citadel

[Rao Dao Zao]

Haven't we only got another... Uh... Four hours or so left?

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Too bad.

But seriously, does anyone know how a skin modifier can fuck up an export?

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

Stormy Castle Citadel

My citadel.
kinda rushed the icon..

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

Wow, that looks so awesome! Im really glad theres at least 1 entery!

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Wow Illidan, that's an awesome entry, seriously jaw-dropping. The work animation is brilliant!

You guys have all of the 11th to submit, but once the clock strikes the 12th, the contest is officially closed.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Hmmz.

Well, here goes.

If anyone dares to use this somewhere without giving credit, they die.

Here's hoping I can get third place and 25 rep by default.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Still having problems.

Chris, have you ever had any problems with the skin modifier/rigging?

 

[TheSecretArts]

i have... its cause a single skin modifyer covers too many vertices

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Clean entry RDZ, but don't forget the in game screenshot.

WILL, I recall TDR saying that skin modifier doesn't work for WCIII, you have to use bones for animation, as in separating the mesh into pieces etc. I think that's what you mean by skin modifier.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

In-game screenies were posted ages ago. :<

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Just add one to your post to make it easy for the poll. Please : >

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

I deleted those screenies from my desktop after uploading them, and silly hive won't let me hotlink the old attachments. :<

 

[Massive_attack]

OMG illidan stop taunting me with those titans ! will you EVER reelease those ?! gaaaah !!!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Clean entry RDZ, but don't forget the in game screenshot.

WILL, I recall TDR saying that skin modifier doesn't work for WCIII, you have to use bones for animation, as in separating the mesh into pieces etc. I think that's what you mean by skin modifier.

Actually, skin modifier is what links a bone to a piece of a mesh. You use an "envelope" to cover the places you want to be moved by a certain bone...

How do you rig, anyway?

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Actually, skin modifier is what links a bone to a piece of a mesh. You use an "envelope" to cover the places you want to be moved by a certain bone...

How do you rig, anyway?

Ah yes, that's precisely what doesn't work.

You have to select parts of meshes which you want to be able to be animated, detach them, you then attach the separate pieces to their respective bones.

All you have to do then is make sure that the connect option is selected in the user property editor so that the mesh stays attached.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

My citadel.
kinda rushed the icon..

View attachment 7590 View attachment 7591

Holy s**t that looks amazing! You've got my vote!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Ah yes, that's precisely what doesn't work.

You have to select parts of meshes which you want to be able to be animated, detach them, you then attach the separate pieces to their respective bones.

All you have to do then is make sure that the connect option is selected in the user property editor so that the mesh stays attached.

... uh, I didn't get it... ok maybe you should check this tutorial and go to the animating section so you know how GMAX rigging works, unless you already know...

How can barely 160 vertices be too many?

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Well I recall that skin modifier doesn't work with Warcraft, but perhaps that's only with Max5 and not Gmax.

Have you ever gotten any model animated like this to work before?

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Well, I'm testing it right now. I fixed the export problem, it seems skin modifiers cant be shared by multiple meshes.

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Lets get those entries in people. We've got two so far.

 

[Katu]

Almost done with the animation. Gmax f*cked it up completely twice, I had to reanimate it. I'm still reading animation tuts for beginners... still need to solve team color&camera... and it's still in gmax. I have to convert it. I haven't slept since Saturday, and still working on it. PLease accept my entry if I'm in a little (about half or one hour) late. I've worked on it too much to be disquaified because of that f*cking Gmax or any exporters' speed.

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Just do your best.

 

[Katu]

I did.

I did all the work: the modeling, the texturnig, the alpha channel, the bones, the animating (yeah, they are simple, but they ARE).

...but when I tried to export, everything seemed to be fucked up.

I got the VertexCountSkin error about 40 times: I tried it, then tried to delete & redo the skin modifier (as Magos suggested), then tried it with a skin modifier in every single mesh as Will did. Of course all of the methods fucked up the animation, so I reanimated it 3-4 times again.... but even now, the VertexCountSkin error is still here. Even single meshes with 140 polies, with a single skin modifier produced errors (I also tried to export separate parts). I was like: "OMG THIS CANNOT BE POSSIBLE! AAAAHHH!!!!"

So I give up! But I think I've done all the work (as said above). The one thing needed is the MDX conversion and the ingame screenshot. So... if it's possible... accept this. (By this I mean can I enter the contest without submitting the ingame screenshot? I'll provide the gmax file and the textures tomorrow.)

I'm stealing someone's internet connection by WiFi and it's soooo slow so I cannot upload. (with a notebook). But I'll upload the gmax file and the texture tomorrow.

 

[Pyritie]

Silly gmax and silly exporting stuff

My dragon model always has problems exporting too >_<

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Gmax seems to be a pretty big problem for multiple people. It is a shame because these are supposed to be for warcraft, and as such, even if I allow the gmax files/screenshots to enter, they won't likely get any votes due to the lack of mdx.

I really don't know what you guys are doing wrong, isn't there a gmax expert on this site somewhere to consult?

Can you export the model without animations? If that's the case, animations could be transferred from existing buildings using oinkerwinkle tools and Magos. For the sake of entering the contest at least.

If you guys decide to do this, I might consider one more extension, because your tools were being faulty.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

You have to make sure the model is fully and correctly functional in-game.

People have released fully functional models made in GMax before, it must be possible. =/

 

[Pyritie]

My pancake and golf ball models worked fine, but I have no idea why the exporting is not working now.

 

[Illidan(Evil)X]

People have released fully functional models made in GMax before, it must be possible. =/

It is!
About 3/4 of my submitted models were modeled and animated in GMax.

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Maybe you can diagnose their problems, Illidan?

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Less than two hours people. I'm not extending anything anymore.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I did.

I did all the work: the modeling, the texturnig, the alpha channel, the bones, the animating (yeah, they are simple, but they ARE).

...but when I tried to export, everything seemed to be fucked up.

I got the VertexCountSkin error about 40 times: I tried it, then tried to delete & redo the skin modifier (as Magos suggested), then tried it with a skin modifier in every single mesh as Will did. Of course all of the methods fucked up the animation, so I reanimated it 3-4 times again.... but even now, the VertexCountSkin error is still here. Even single meshes with 140 polies, with a single skin modifier produced errors (I also tried to export separate parts). I was like: "OMG THIS CANNOT BE POSSIBLE! AAAAHHH!!!!"

So I give up! But I think I've done all the work (as said above). The one thing needed is the MDX conversion and the ingame screenshot. So... if it's possible... accept this. (By this I mean can I enter the contest without submitting the ingame screenshot? I'll provide the gmax file and the textures tomorrow.)

I'm stealing someone's internet connection by WiFi and it's soooo slow so I cannot upload. (with a notebook). But I'll upload the gmax file and the texture tomorrow.

You dont have to reanimate. just go to the frame settings and set the "end" time to whatever you had in the first place. All your keyframes are there and safe.

For the skin problem, remove all skin modifiers, and redo them for each mesh seperately (not groups, just 1 mesh at a time). Skin modifiers get bugged when shared by mutiple meshes.

As fo rmy entry, I tested animating in Magos' editor. Doesn't work, since the model completly disapears, but the key frames are fine. I can only guess it was the skin modifier that caused the problem.

So yeah, no way am i getting my entry in time.

 

[Deleted member 126647]

Skin modifiers suck.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

You have no idea just how much.


Ok anims are working, but a little bugged. I'll try them later ingame to see if that stays.

EDIT: Why is all the damn tools I have to deal with fail when I need the most? Screw my entry.

 

[Deleted member 126647]

This contest is officially over.

Voting is now open.

 

[Katu]

I've tried it without anims of course... with a separate skin modifier in every single mesh... I even tried to export single meshes.

So I cannot enter? That't sad to hear, but "carpe diem"...

Anyway, I would like to show what I've done, so here it is:

Citadel of Dreams

View attachment 7539

 

[Massive_attack]

damn its in .gmax Noooo !