How long will Warcraft 3 last?

[Miss_Foxy]

True lol... We're more based on custom games, so we can only say Warcraft III Maps can last long.

 

[Xian]

After some time of thinking and searching, I must agree with this. Who the hell still plays melee maps, or other good maps?? Almost nobody. While 80% people play that !"#$ DotA, others play even worse shit, naruto or other chinese maps...

EDIT: So basically, it turns out that about 5% people play melee maps, which is the real warcraft. Try to find a guy, who sees an abomination, and does not say that it's pudge from dota. Will give you 5K Dollarz.

Omg i have the same feeling...Dota sucks,when i play a melee map and they see me use a priestess of the moon,they say "Hey Look it's Mirana from DotA and evertime i open warcraft 3 they say "are you gonna play dota?"
You know what i did... i showed them the editor.. now they believe dota is not warcraft...about the cinematics...they think the oppening cinematic is SLARDAR VS TERRORBLADE (DOTA THE MOVIE)
In short: DOTA SUCKS AND IT GETS CREDIT FROM WHAT BLIZZARD WORKED HARD FOR!

 

[SA Dashie]

lol the funny thing about that is that modders mding the Wc3 game have actually worked harder overall and one of those people are icefrog but I agree that the tards that think dota = Wc3 are tards and should be punished.
Want me to help?

 

[Xian]

lol the funny thing about that is that modders mding the Wc3 game have actually worked harder overall and one of those people are icefrog but I agree that the tards that think dota = Wc3 are tards and should be punished.
Want me to help?

Yeah i once made a map..im sure it would get rejected here but it was long ago.anyway i showed it to my friends,used model files of DoTA heroes,and said oh look its Pudge!,can you use hook?
I hope think those people cant even win the tutorial

 

[SA Dashie]

Yeah i once made a map..im sure it would get rejected here but it was long ago.anyway i showed it to my friends,used model files of DoTA heroes,and said oh look its Pudge!,can you use hook?
I hope think those people cant even win the tutorial

LOL =D it's not a default ability those dumb asses....
Also I am here to convert those Dota nubs

 

[Sky Green]

Yea I mean DotA ain't a bad map, but I just hate those people who think Dota=WC3 and Pudge is a popular AoS abomination name, like DotA means Defense of The Ancients but you have to kill the Lich King who was created bout 10,000 years after like the World Tree was created after the War... DotA makes no sense

But (on-topic now) it does make WC3 last longer, which gives modders a chance to put their maps on B.Net and/or Garena thus replacing DotA... I just hope DotA lives long enough using WC3 until something better comes that fascinates people

 

[Xian]

Yea I mean DotA ain't a bad map, but I just hate those people who think Dota=WC3 and Pudge is a popular AoS abomination name, like DotA means Defense of The Ancients but you have to kill the Lich King who was created bout 10,000 years after like the World Tree was created after the War... DotA makes no sense

But (on-topic now) it does make WC3 last longer, which gives modders a chance to put their maps on B.Net and/or Garena thus replacing DotA... I just hope DotA lives long enough using WC3 until something better comes that fascinates people

But If you make a good map...DOTA GETS ALL THE CREDIT FROM 80% PLAYERS AND ONLY 5% FROM REAL PLAYERS

 

[GhostThruster]

Well, excuse me to everyone, Wc3 isn't dead.

I almost forgot about the 500 people playing DotA and the 5 active Wc3 modders.

 

[-Peper-]

I'd said 3 or 4 years until it's dead.
Okay, ask one of your friend 'Hey man u know Illidan? It's the blindman with purple skin.' and they would reply 'You mean Terrorblade?'

 

[SA Dashie]

lol if you asked one of my friends they wouldn't know what the hell you are talking about .....
I think that my friends have got Wc3 all song and think its just some game where you construct a city (lol what ).

 

[Miss_Foxy]

I personally believe that our beloved modders are improving (Even if it's just at a slow rate), and somehow or rather, they would be able to make a game so good (And by that I don't mean laggy) that it'll bring even more players to Warcraft III, where they can try out a whole array of awesome games.
So, if we view it in a positive sense, I do agree with Sky Green, DotA is a stepping stone to introduce other (More) awesome maps to the community, to an even bigger audience.
With that, I rest my case, Warcraft III will grow.

 

[SA Dashie]

lol but have a look, I've only started modding maps and I've achieved some good maps and unfinished stuff and am improving all the time still..
It's always good to see new modders that are decent around as there is little but good variety.

 

[Vunjo]

Yea I mean DotA ain't a bad map, but I just hate those people who think Dota=WC3 and Pudge is a popular AoS abomination name, like DotA means Defense of The Ancients but you have to kill the Lich King who was created bout 10,000 years after like the World Tree was created after the War... DotA makes no sense

But (on-topic now) it does make WC3 last longer, which gives modders a chance to put their maps on B.Net and/or Garena thus replacing DotA... I just hope DotA lives long enough using WC3 until something better comes that fascinates people

Wrong. Only even worse maps can get ppl out of dota addiction. My friend is a perfect example for it. Maybe you know a map Bleach VS One Peace. It's probably the worst map ever (no offence to one who made it), but it's as almost popular as dota, and some guys did quit dota, and started playing that shit. What should I tell about the map? Well, it got 10K Naruto and other shit models, about 30K effect models, combined in a shitty arena with DotA based items. And that's the only way to make a map better than dota. Fucktards like my friend only like such maps, cool models/effects, + easy to learn, may be the best to make items from dota. And as no real mapmaker wants to make such a shit map, those newbs mapmakers will get that idea, make such a map, and maybe become popular. Trust me, just add "naruto" to map name and from regular 350 downloads per day, it will be 2000 downloads per day (talking about www.epicwar.com).

 

[-Peper-]

Or if you guys ever heard of Fight Of Character, It is an anime map which is popular on my region, and totally imbalance. Try playing it.
But it did raise wc3's rating.

 

[Vunjo]

Or if you guys ever heard of Fight Of Character, It is an anime map which is popular on my region, and totally imbalance. Try playing it.
But it did raise wc3's rating.

How could I forget that map xD
Yeah, it's like, nuke 1 spell and it kills all creeps around you, and delas 2/3 health of the enemy heroes. If it's ulti, it's one shot to the enemy xDD

EDIT: @ Aeroblyctos:

No. I meant a non tard player, who knows that dota =/= wc3, and who plays dota. Yes, he must play it, and yet, recognize abomination. Can you find that player?
Note: It MUST be an active DotA player.

 

[-Peper-]

Yeah, it's like who-cast-first-win.
And also a very weak hero, which on level 50 become pretty undamageable.
Strangely people likes them, thus making wc3 more lively.

 

[Vunjo]

yeah, but I call that "shame of warcarft 3". No really, the map sux hardly, and if such maps make warcraft 3 live then it's sad.

 

[Super-Sheep]

No. I meant a non tard player, who knows that dota =/= wc3, and who plays dota. Yes, he must play it, and yet, recognize abomination. Can you find that player?
Note: It MUST be an active DotA player.

I have and do play both Dota and melee and I play Dota actively @dota-league. I just cant stand tard kids with their presumptions like you.

 

[Vunjo]

how can you play melee maps and dota???? lol

 

[Sky Green]

So, if we view it in a positive sense, I do agree with Sky Green, DotA is a stepping stone to introduce other (More) awesome maps to the community, to an even bigger audience.
With that, I rest my case, Warcraft III will grow.

Yea I'm just awesome

 

[Super-Sheep]

how can you play melee maps and dota???? lol

I am a wizard.

 

[DEAD FiSH]

What`s wrong in melee maps?!

 

[Vunjo]

Dude you got it wrong, dead fish. Melee maps are great. But DotA is like anti melee maps, with all those strange, and funny names...

 

[DEAD FiSH]

DotA is a scenario not anti-melee. All that is not melee is called scenario.

 

[Vunjo]

DotA causes rage, addiction, unlike melee maps.

 

[Super-Sheep]

DotA causes rage, addiction, unlike melee maps.

Where are you pulling out these?

 

[Vunjo]

Can't remember a thread, and a guy who said this, but it is from THW.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Here's What I Do Know ...

I do admit that the logic Warcraft III mapmaking is rather... Strange. But throughout the times, even now, different maps start to attract new players and even older ones to Warcraft III for some reason.
Take my friend for example, he recently bought Warcraft III with his other friends because of their liking to the Undead Assault map (It's very decent, I'd say) whenever they play it in the internet cafe.

I've kinda noticed a few trends that players display when choosing a map to play, so these could be the many reasons why different maps are unexpectedly getting so popular:

Logical Reasons

1. Good Map Quality
Well, it seems quite obvious why, as players love playing maps who are made fairly well and suitable for gameplay.

2. Interesting Map Genre
Generally, most players tend to look to newer map genres instead of the same old ones (Remember how DotA dominated the AoS scene), so maps with new styles of playing can suit their needs too.

3. Good Old Genres
Basically these are the types of maps which completely contradict what I mentioned earlier, but for good reasons. Maps which bring back good memories or even nostalgia to players tend to get players interested with them (For games like Pac Man, etc).

4. Popular Games Or Game Genres
Some players also prefer to choose the popular side of gaming, where games are played with map genres similar to those which are popular (For example, AoS, TDs, Mauls). Most of them gain more popularity with more eye candy, new features or less lag. Also, characters from famous games or stuff also are seen in those maps (Pudge Wars, POTM Wars).

5. Computer Specs
Speaking of less lag, if a map is decent and doesn't cause much lag, I wouldn't mind playing it either.

6. Role-Playing Games
A lot of people I know love role playing for some reason, so this could also be one of the reasons why people love playing these games, as anything can happen in game as long as they have an imagination.

7. MMORPG Games
For people who love spending lots of time training and leveling a character or something up, this would be their preference. Ever since the Save/Load system was introduced, I've seen these kind of maps hosted all over.

8. Thinking Games
I know of people who love to think a lot, so much that they would even prefer to play Riddle Games or Chess instead of the usual War ones, this is also another reason.

9. Lore Games
Well, these are the hardcore lore lovers. Whether it's the Warcraft Lore or the Lord Of The Rings Lore, they would definitely try it out, I'm one of those people.

10. Real Time Strategy
Anything with an army, a base and a whole lot of micro-ing, these people would love a lot. I've seen these maps prosper a lot during all my years of playing.

Reasons That Don't Freaking Make Sense To Me

1. Rick Rolls
Why? I don't know, they just love them.

2. Anything That Involves Blood, Gore Or Obscene Acts
Well, sadists are everywhere, and these maps do prosper.

3. Maps With 1337 Speak And Bad Quality
How would I know?

4. "Don't Push The Button" Games
Some people are just really bored at times.

5. Unedited "Just Another Warcraft III Map" Or Stolen Maps
I've seen these maps being hosted a lot, and for unknown reasons, they are still being hosted.

These are the current things I know of, I might update it.

 

[Xian]

My own oppinion

it's so popular that people think they are the best just because of getting "Killing spree" or "Godlike",well playing the repititive dota is bad,you know why,because they become micro noobs,they can only micro 1-3 units,well other melee map pros can control a 12 unit army or zeppelin micro (But thats fricken hard to do),they think they are Uber just because they win using only 1 hero.
Dota is pure hack and slash, no real awesome micro, it f*cks up the Warcraft 3 story,and the dota fans think there is a story..by making videos called "DotA Story mode" or any of those fake videos.
P.S. im using my laptops touch pad,my mouse isnt working properly lately

 

[Xian]

I do admit that the logic Warcraft III mapmaking is rather... Strange. But throughout the times, even now, different maps start to attract new players and even older ones to Warcraft III for some reason.
Take my friend for example, he recently bought Warcraft III with his other friends because of their liking to the Undead Assault map (It's very decent, I'd say) whenever they play it in the internet cafe.

I've kinda noticed a few trends that players display when choosing a map to play, so these could be the many reasons why different maps are unexpectedly getting so popular:

Logical Reasons

1. Good Map Quality
Well, it seems quite obvious why, as players love playing maps who are made fairly well and suitable for gameplay.

2. Interesting Map Genre
Generally, most players tend to look to newer map genres instead of the same old ones (Remember how DotA dominated the AoS scene), so maps with new styles of playing can suit their needs too.

3. Good Old Genres
Basically these are the types of maps which completely contradict what I mentioned earlier, but for good reasons. Maps which bring back good memories or even nostalgia to players tend to get players interested with them (For games like Pac Man, etc).

4. Popular Games Or Game Genres
Some players also prefer to choose the popular side of gaming, where games are played with map genres similar to those which are popular (For example, AoS, TDs, Mauls). Most of them gain more popularity with more eye candy, new features or less lag. Also, characters from famous games or stuff also are seen in those maps (Pudge Wars, POTM Wars).

5. Computer Specs
Speaking of less lag, if a map is decent and doesn't cause much lag, I wouldn't mind playing it either.

6. Role-Playing Games
A lot of people I know love role playing for some reason, so this could also be one of the reasons why people love playing these games, as anything can happen in game as long as they have an imagination.

7. MMORPG Games
For people who love spending lots of time training and leveling a character or something up, this would be their preference. Ever since the Save/Load system was introduced, I've seen these kind of maps hosted all over.

8. Thinking Games
I know of people who love to think a lot, so much that they would even prefer to play Riddle Games or Chess instead of the usual War ones, this is also another reason.

9. Lore Games
Well, these are the hardcore lore lovers. Whether it's the Warcraft Lore or the Lord Of The Rings Lore, they would definitely try it out, I'm one of those people.

10. Real Time Strategy
Anything with an army, a base and a whole lot of micro-ing, these people would love a lot. I've seen these maps prosper a lot during all my years of playing.

Reasons That Don't Freaking Make Sense To Me

1. Rick Rolls
Why? I don't know, they just love them.

2. Anything That Involves Blood, Gore Or Obscene Acts
Well, sadists are everywhere, and these maps do prosper.

3. Maps With 1337 Speak And Bad Quality
How would I know?

4. "Don't Push The Button" Games
Some people are just really bored at times.

5. Unedited "Just Another Warcraft III Map" Or Stolen Maps
I've seen these maps being hosted a lot, and for unknown reasons, they are still being hosted.

These are the current things I know of, I might update it.

You forgot comedy,some maps can make you laugh but not all
OMG i double posted again,damn!

 

[Super-Sheep]

it's so popular that people think they are the best just because of getting "Killing spree" or "Godlike",well playing the repititive dota is bad,you know why,because they become micro noobs,they can only micro 1-3 units,well other melee map pros can control a 12 unit army or zeppelin micro (But thats fricken hard to do),they think they are Uber just because they win using only 1 hero.
Dota is pure hack and slash, no real awesome micro, it f*cks up the Warcraft 3 story,and the dota fans think there is a story..by making videos called "DotA Story mode" or any of those fake videos.
P.S. im using my laptops touch pad,my mouse isnt working properly lately

So far it is the only map that is played at the high competitive level and that pretty much denies all of your arguments. Like 90% of the maps are about controlling one hero/unit. But it looks like it is always a good idea to bash Dota for it.

 

[Sky Green]

So far it is the only map that is played at the high competitive level and that pretty much denies all of your arguments. Like 90% of the maps are about controlling one hero/unit. But it looks like it is always a good idea to bash Dota for it.

Well, I don't prefer playing DotA that much, even if I just love using one hero, but in DotA you just go one way fight till 20hp and then runaway, unless you get killed... I don't think it's that interesting

 

[Miss_Foxy]

I kind of am into the Warcraft Lore side of modding, so anything that's lore related and RTS (Oh I sure love those RTS maps) like Dark Ages Of Warcraft, I will love.

 

[SA Dashie]

@ Miss Foxy
With all that opinion stuff that makes maps populure I think that's why my maps aren't that populure as I go my own style when it comes to mapping and only go for a new and original game play instead of the same repetitive stuff which realy makes me feel like a cheap idealist those not having a challenge when it comes to mapping and thoigh becoming populure with my different kinda map that "no one" apparently wants to play because they are scared to play something they haven't ever seen before nether the less hosted of that kinda gender but doesn't mean I can't still get a full house just means that I have nether seen anyone host any.
Also I don't go for uber crap like kuhum 'Fight of Characters' and aim for game play with great terrain that isn't destracting and balancing with out trying to base it off an already done idea unless if it's something that I haven't seen done in Wc3 before anymore.
Nuff said?

 

[Vunjo]

I do admit that the logic Warcraft III mapmaking is rather... Strange. But throughout the times, even now, different maps start to attract new players and even older ones to Warcraft III for some reason.
Take my friend for example, he recently bought Warcraft III with his other friends because of their liking to the Undead Assault map (It's very decent, I'd say) whenever they play it in the internet cafe.

I've kinda noticed a few trends that players display when choosing a map to play, so these could be the many reasons why different maps are unexpectedly getting so popular:

Logical Reasons

1. Good Map Quality
Well, it seems quite obvious why, as players love playing maps who are made fairly well and suitable for gameplay.

2. Interesting Map Genre
Generally, most players tend to look to newer map genres instead of the same old ones (Remember how DotA dominated the AoS scene), so maps with new styles of playing can suit their needs too.

3. Good Old Genres
Basically these are the types of maps which completely contradict what I mentioned earlier, but for good reasons. Maps which bring back good memories or even nostalgia to players tend to get players interested with them (For games like Pac Man, etc).

4. Popular Games Or Game Genres
Some players also prefer to choose the popular side of gaming, where games are played with map genres similar to those which are popular (For example, AoS, TDs, Mauls). Most of them gain more popularity with more eye candy, new features or less lag. Also, characters from famous games or stuff also are seen in those maps (Pudge Wars, POTM Wars).

5. Computer Specs
Speaking of less lag, if a map is decent and doesn't cause much lag, I wouldn't mind playing it either.

6. Role-Playing Games
A lot of people I know love role playing for some reason, so this could also be one of the reasons why people love playing these games, as anything can happen in game as long as they have an imagination.

7. MMORPG Games
For people who love spending lots of time training and leveling a character or something up, this would be their preference. Ever since the Save/Load system was introduced, I've seen these kind of maps hosted all over.

8. Thinking Games
I know of people who love to think a lot, so much that they would even prefer to play Riddle Games or Chess instead of the usual War ones, this is also another reason.

9. Lore Games
Well, these are the hardcore lore lovers. Whether it's the Warcraft Lore or the Lord Of The Rings Lore, they would definitely try it out, I'm one of those people.

10. Real Time Strategy
Anything with an army, a base and a whole lot of micro-ing, these people would love a lot. I've seen these maps prosper a lot during all my years of playing.

Reasons That Don't Freaking Make Sense To Me

1. Rick Rolls
Why? I don't know, they just love them.

2. Anything That Involves Blood, Gore Or Obscene Acts
Well, sadists are everywhere, and these maps do prosper.

3. Maps With 1337 Speak And Bad Quality
How would I know?

4. "Don't Push The Button" Games
Some people are just really bored at times.

5. Unedited "Just Another Warcraft III Map" Or Stolen Maps
I've seen these maps being hosted a lot, and for unknown reasons, they are still being hosted.

These are the current things I know of, I might update it.

I agree with this. But don't push the button/unit maps can be funny, cause of the bad quality, and funny sounds, which makes me laugh. That's all.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

That's why they don't make sense to me, and they still get popular, lol!

 

[Xian]

one more thing,uther partys are somewhat fun,but get boring when you play and play and play

 

[Ramza]

Probably until Warcraft IV is released. So, yes. Forever and ever to the everlasting ever! xP

 

[Miss_Foxy]

I support that statement greatly too, I can see Warcraft III being quite stable on a daily basis and there are even new players coming in frequently around my estate.

 

[Sky Green]

I support that statement greatly too, I can see Warcraft III being quite stable on a daily basis and there are even new players coming in frequently around my estate.

Whatever, It's not the players that keep it alive it's the modders without IceFrog 90% players wouldn't even play it, to make Warcraft 3 everlasting you need to make a map that will be everlasting...

 

[Miss_Foxy]

So practically the Warcraft III community will still live on to create more and more maps.

 

[Vunjo]

I support that statement greatly too, I can see Warcraft III being quite stable on a daily basis and there are even new players coming in frequently around my estate.

DotA players or real warcraft players?

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Real Warcraft ones, they happen to love the mechanics of the Undead and Night Elven race for some reason, kinda which was what dragged them into buying the game officially and finding out about other custom maps.

 

[Vunjo]

nice.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

So do expect the Warcraft III community to grow even larger in the coming days, I'll be helping it with modding at the end of the year when my major exams are over too

 

[Vunjo]

well you know. you can't really help it, unless you make a map, which will be as popular as dota is now.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Real Warcraft ones, they happen to love the mechanics of the Undead and Night Elven race for some reason, kinda which was what dragged them into buying the game officially and finding out about other custom maps.

lol

Not atleast in Northrend. You never get matched against a complete beginner because they simply dont play it. They buy Warcraft III only to play customs even if they buy it at all.

 

[Xian]

well you know. you can't really help it, unless you make a map, which will be as popular as dota is now.

Then "IT" Will be the next menace and not DOTA

 

[Sky Green]

Then "IT" Will be the next menace and not DOTA

Atleast the menace should be fun for everybody to play

 

[Miss_Foxy]

And it'll sustain Warcraft III for a really, really long time.