Hate dota?

[Ash]

The main reason people dislike dota is because it's the major map of WC3.

I fully expect to be crucified for this, but DotA does require skill. It is a fun AoS. Experimenting with items is also part of the fun.

If you don't like dota, fair enough. There are other AoS's that probably don't get enough coverage because of DotA, however the majority of 'other AoS's' that I've played (recommended by people who dislike dota) suck majorly.

 

[SantaBla]

Which AOS suck majorly apart from Dota?

 

[Ash]

"DotA Nabunga", "Desert of Exile" and "Mages Magic & Mayhem". Being just 3, of course.

Oh, and as for the 'no skill required', well then I'd like to wonder why people play within leagues for cash. And why, ontop of that, if theres no skill required that you're not top of the league.

And once more, if skill isn't required and it's all just items, how do you make them? You need to have skill to defeat the creeps/heroes in order to get the gold.

DotA has flaws, as does every map. Stop bitc- moaning about them and come back when a map you've made is perfect, yeah?

EDIT:

A lot of people think it doesn't deserve the popularity it's getting.

Surely if a lot of people don't believe that it doesn't deserve the popularity it's getting means that even more people believe it does deserve the popularity it's getting?

I'm obviously playing the Devils Advocate here, I think dota's a good map although still overrated.

 

[SantaBla]

Dota Nabunga = What the hell is this AoS? I never heard of it.
Desert of Exile = It's a good AoS map in my opinion. Less focus on items, more on heroes.
Magic Mayhem = I never heard of it either.

Once you defeat the heroes, you get your gold and it's hard for the opponents to come back and try to retrieve the gold they lost from you since you already have better items than them, and the gap only widens further.

Most people who play Dota really believe it's getting the popularity it deserves. Of course, it's only the map they know.

 

[Edhel-dur]

I hate dota when the crappy -ar mode comes into play

Otherwise it's justa very fine map

 

[Ash]

The issue with most AoS's, and a main one in DoE, is the fact that you've got set heroes for each team.

The creator ALWAYS favors one team, and they end up with inbalanced heroes.

The only time somebody can totally 'OMGWTFPWN' you in dota is if you die to them numerous times, and thats known as 'feeding'. If you are vsing a 'lane dominator' hero, then you play defensively. Take the last hit on creeps, etc. That way you get gold and the other hero doesn't stand a chance of getting you.

And if things are really really bad, (I.E 2V2 -om mode, one of the other heroes is a broodmother) then you leave one hero on the lane playing defense, taking last hit on creeps again, whilst the other hero goes and creeps the neutral creeps.

And I like -ar, it gives you experience with all the heroes :3

 

[TheDivineBoss]

And I like -ar, it gives you experience with all the heroes :3

The main problem with -ar map was always they hid a rigged hero in it, or put several rigged ones in it.

 

[SantaBla]

The issue with most AoS's, and a main one in DoE, is the fact that you've got set heroes for each team.

The creator ALWAYS favors one team, and they end up with inbalanced heroes.

How many updates did DoE have?
How many updates did Dota have?

Think about it. DoE is a really well made map for the little amount of updates it had. It needs to be worked on more but how can the creator know which is balanced and which is not? It's not like he receives dozens of feedbacks from people unlike Dota.You said that it's bad mainly because of the imbalance. So what you totally discard the concept and prefer go with traditional AOS maps? The creator of DoE tried something different (he's not the only one of course) that is having different heroes on each side. What does that tell you? That tells you that both teams have its fair share of strengths and weaknesses and it's up to you as a team to make the most of the good side which is to me what I call, a map that does rely on teamwork than individuality. Remember, balance doesn't come so suddenly. It took years for Dota to achieve it.

 

[Andriejj]

DoE is one of the best balanced maps I know... I played numerous games with clan VZ on Azeroth and with clan PiP on Northrend. Currently, except for Maltheron and bugged cooldown on Arro's Armageddon, everything's pretty much balanced. And it all will be adressed in 1.09.

But noooo, DotA players are, ofc, smarter, they can judge DoE's balance after 3 minutes. You, guys, are ridiculous.

As for skills in DotA. That was already discussed. DotA needs knowledge, not skills. And binded hotkeys to use all those gay items fast, but that's it. Skills in DoE are harder to use properly, because there's only a few point and click spells. Additionaly, it's harder to aim in DoE, because there's more space on the lanes, so you can actually dodge stuff.

 

[SantaBla]

If you say it's that balanced after so little amount of updates, that's a miracle. I haven't played that much of DoE compared to you so I can't judge the balance .

 

[Ash]

It needs to be worked on more but how can the creator know which is balanced and which is not? It's not like he receives dozens of feedbacks from people unlike Dota.

Thats easily sorted by having private betas. The creator should know that the area he's trying to make a map in has been dominated by a single mod, as per say. He's not going to get a fan following that quickly.

You said that it's bad mainly because of the imbalance. So what you totally discard the concept and prefer go with traditional AOS maps?

If traditional AoS maps aren't horribly imbalanced, yes

The creator of DoE tried something different (he's not the only one of course) that is having different heroes on each side..........

The creator must've realized, by now, that you can't make a map without laying favor to one side. The creator can make a comeback to this either by letting both teams heroes be chosen, or by creating more modes (Such as dota's -sd mode).

And, for the other guy:

DoE is one of the best balanced maps I know.

No. You may believe it is, however like Santabla aptly said, 'If you say it's that balanced after so little amount of updates, that's a miracle'. Map balance, especially on AoS's aren't as easy as 1, 2, 3.

But noooo, DotA players are, ofc, smarter, they can judge DoE's balance after 3 minutes. You, guys, are ridiculous.

We're trying to have an intelligent conversation, just because you can't think of the right words to say doesn't mean you have to retort to insults. I mentioned that DoE is imbalanced, even Santabla's said that.

It seems, in actual fact, that you're the one thats 'ridiculous' for acting the way you've just done. You harbor a lot of hate for DotA, at least try to argue it logically. You're not a stupid person.

As for skills in DotA. That was already discussed. DotA needs knowledge, not skills.

... /sigh

And binded hotkeys to use all those gay items fast

Numlock. The hotkeys on dota are extremely easy to remember and to use. I don't use programs like 'DotA Keys', and I still end up with positive K/D.

Skills in DoE are harder to use properly, because there's only a few point and click spells.

Can I suggest editing your post? What you just said is stupid. Add what type of spells DoE has, at least. It's not like anybody can actually argue a point if you just, basically, say 'DOE HAS HARDER SPELLZ LOLOLOLO'.

Additionaly, it's harder to aim in DoE, because there's more space on the lanes, so you can actually dodge stuff.

Use the forest in DotA... It's harder to aim because the forest acts as a Line-of-sight blocker. Also, the lanes being smaller only makes a lot more 'action' happen, as per say. If the lanes are 2 mile wide, then it just slows down the action. It doesn't make it harder to aim, because like dota, you can dodge things.

 

[SantaBla]

didn't bother reading your post. like i said, i haven't played enough doe to judge the balance and i thought u played a lot more than me (the fact that you already stated it's imbalanced made me think you knew the map a lot more than me) so i trusted you on that but now since andriejj knows the map a lot more than you (i know that because he plays it a lot on bnet), it may well be possible that you're wrong. Balance don't usually happen so fast but there are not a lot of heroes in doe and no imba items.

 

[Ash]

Well thanks.

I guess I should've waited until the end of the conversation to give you some respect.

 

[Andriejj]

Ash. I didn't play DotA for too long, you didn't play DoE enough, this discussion has no sense. Whisper me (same acc- andriejj) on Northrend, we could play a game or two. If you play DoE more, with me as a guide, you'll understand some of my points, and vice versa.

 

[The Mystic Cow]

I finally found a noob server so I could play, (Got kicked out of 7 other noob servers.... somehow) and all they did was complain and blame me and another guy for loss. The game isn't even great in the first place. And most likely I'm banlisted on there now since I was quote, ”A noob". Lol.

 

[Melthal]

Yeah its that bad on US East, No matter what time half the game list is filled with Dota games, And half the time i get booted or banned for not playing it 24/7 -_- how annoying is that.

 

[Bettaxx]

Dota would be a good game.... if its players stopped acting like idiots.
Bans left and right for small things. Whats that?! Leaving because of something in RL thats more important than a game?! BAN!

I got kicked from a noob game for being a noob. Theres something wrong with that.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I demand a law for a maximum of DotA games, like 100 each day.

 

[Andreja]

well mostly on noob games play better players that really sucks i once played a noob game so i could play around a lil with the noobs and they actually killed me it was 6:4 then i went a normal apem game and guess what 16:0 theres something wrong with that :/

 

[ike_ike]

That's how DotA works.

Noob games are filled with lurking/hacking 'pros'.
Pro games are filled with lurking/hacking/namespoofing/custom kicking noobs.
Godlike games are filled with idiots who think that hacking requires skill.

etc. etc

I usually have worse scores in noob games >_>

 

[Anachron]

DotA is like a 18+ Game.. There are guys over 18 who are good at it and noobs who have that game illegal and think they need to cheat. Its something like that.

 

[Razorbrain]

Yeah its that bad on US East, No matter what time half the game list is filled with Dota games, And half the time i get booted or banned for not playing it 24/7 -_- how annoying is that.

i, who have played on both US East and on Northrend, must say that playing DotA on Northrend > DotA on US East

For one, people just seem nicer at Northrend

Two, 90% of the times people wont even bother to check my ping(since im SE, not US/CA)

Three, I have had more "retarded encounters" on US East than on Northrend, so i agree with what you are saying

 

[Kankuro]

I hate dota because many persons think of it as if it is official, i have seen persons that think that the name of a Mountain Giant is Tiny (like the dota hero).

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Lol I have done that before. I called an Abomination Pudge XD

Anyways, newbies to DotA hate it because I'll agree, the DotA community is for lack of a better word... Harsh! Your either a DotA player, a non-DotA player, or somebody really desperate to play DotA even though your bad but u want to play it with your friends. It's just like Ladder... Some people suck at ladder, some people don't. The only difference is ladder people love noobs because then the noobs give them a good looking score of 10-0

 

[Daishi.ZGX]

Lol. My friends too keep on calling WarCraft units by their DotA names and it's getting really annoying for me because they know little or NONE at WarCraft.

But for some reason, I still play DotA.

 

[Fulla]

Lol. My friends too keep on calling WarCraft units by their DotA names and it's getting really annoying for me because they know little or NONE at WarCraft.

I have a terrible habbit of doing that as well
I just naturally call the Dark Ranger, the Drow - Abomination, Pudge - Jaina, Rylai etc. etc.

 

[meercat]

also most of the spells are stolen
he just CnP the triggers for the spells
if almost all the things from dota are stolen from other maps and artists how did it became the most known and played wc3 map?!

Because other people are stupid enough to distinguish original from CnP's unlike us, we know where it came from.

Like here in PH, people are worst here. They even call Warcraft "DOTA" and have no knowledge about wc3; most people here are taught to play dotA and not warcraft.... That's a big example of how DotA become famous.

 

[Ash]

Just something I feel that people may find interesting:

http://www.eswc.com/register/new/1

Check the discipline list.

 

[SantaBla]

it's sad isn't it. It's known as a different game from Wc3.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

it's sad isn't it. It's known as a different game from Wc3.

Pretty [F-word] Off-Topic: But your signature is dead.

 

[SantaBla]

Off topic: I know. I just re-arranged my photobucket albums. That's why.

 

[Anarki]

Why do I hate DotA?

Two major reasons.

Firstly, the map itself. It is boring. I don't care what you say, but it does not require skill - just knowledge on how to win. It's pointless - because very early in game, you can already tell who is going to win. The heroes and their abilities, the majority, are bland and boring - and become obscenely powerful only through items rather then their abilities and skill. The stupid game is based around items. And I don't think I want to spend 20 minutes farming creeps and spamming A+click just to get some overpowered item set to match your hero.

And last, but not least, the idiots who play DotA. Pathetic morons with their banlists, their custom kick, and their vocabulary of "noob". You can tell the difference between a Battle.net moron, and a DotA moron - mainly because the former is just stupid, but the latter is stupid (unless they are playing DotA, and remembering what overpowered item set goes with which hero), and a dickhead in general. The DotA hosts are the worst kind - they have even leaked into other games.

Firstly, their banlists, and abusing them to go "omg u got shit ping ur gonna lag". For the love of fucking god, it's 300ms! It's not a goddamn FPS, this is a RtS game! And the racism which accompanies that, my god...
Rarely any other user on Battle.net is a dick with banlist (and if they are, we ask later if they play DotA, and usually the answer is yes).

And the custom kicking. I'm not even going to go there, except that I hope that custom kickers get rewarded with permanent cd-key and IP bans, as well as account deletion for using their pathetic host-only drophack.

 

[Razorbrain]

Firstly, the map itself. It is boring. I don't care what you say, but it does not require skill - just knowledge on how to win..

Im not saying you are wrong, im just saying that this goes for many more games than DotA

just try 90% of all TDs and AoSes in general, there are those that do, but most of them just requires that "build these towers to win" or "get these items to win" or "that unit is weak against that unit, so ill get that"

and you know what they say, Knowledge is Power

 

[Ash]

Firstly, the map itself. It is boring.

Im not saying you are wrong, im just saying that this goes for many more games than DotA

just try 90% of all TDs and AoSes in general,

Thats a perfect example of why this topic is never going to reach a logical end.

In all honesty, there are two types of players. Those that like dota and those that don't.

We can't argue points about anything, it's pretty evenly matched. You may argue that the map is boring, yet people enjoy it.

Do you see what I'm aiming at?

 

[Anachron]

Thats a perfect example of why this topic is never going to reach a logical end.

In all honesty, there are two types of players. Those that like dota and those that don't.

We can't argue points about anything, it's pretty evenly matched. You may argue that the map is boring, yet people enjoy it.

Do you see what I'm aiming at?

Yep I do... Your saying everything correctly... This topic should closed it has a way to much useless spam in it.

 

[Anarki]

Im not saying you are wrong, im just saying that this goes for many more games than DotA

just try 90% of all TDs and AoSes in general, there are those that do, but most of them just requires that "build these towers to win" or "get these items to win" or "that unit is weak against that unit, so ill get that"

and you know what they say, Knowledge is Power

And those maps are boring, as well.

I only play maps which require wit and tactics to win.

 

[Ash]

And I'm practically 110% certain it'll end with flaming

I vote for it to be closed, it's just a constant loop of 'DOTA SUCKS', 'NO IT DOESN'T'

 

[crazyfanatic]

I don't hate DotA, but I don't know why do all people love it. More than half of the things in it are stolen, including the sounds "first blood", "double kill" and other. Icefrog could make somthing better.

 

[punwisp]

I think Dota is stupid, these are my reasons
People are too cocky
you get kicked if you have to DL
Way to simple, and boring
the whole point is really rather stupid. Kill a few towers then swarm the main base, then poof, you win, add heroes and it makes it longer.
Dota reminds me of guitar hero, very stupid but popular game, all you need is good timing.
All there ever is, is DOTA, DOTA DOTA DOTA. I like playing footies, azeroth wars and so on. it's annoying.
Terrain is too simple
its too easy of a game. too simple of objectives

thats my opinion of the game

 

[centurywarlord]

I don't think we should blame DotA for all this. It's just a custom Warcraft 3 map just like TDs, AoEs and Survival.

The reason it was famous and people all over the world play it is because of the generated hype about it. It also skyrocketed to stardom when it was included in a cyber athlete competition like WCG.

Some people saw it as a prestigious game to earn fame and money due to available tournaments for it all over the world, made by official game organizations or their local cyber cafes.

I don't love or hate DotA, I treat it like any other custom maps made out there. It was fun until new generation of gamers came in and ruined the fun. Uttering insults like N00B, cursing each other, and even took the game far too seriously.

I quit playing DotA on 2005 because of this as I can't play with rude people and I am tired of telling people to treat each other nicely and play for fun.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

People don't like it because of the community. They call people nubs, flames them, ask them to leave, and act far younger than they should.

I play DotA and I love it. I just ignore all of the idiots and play it. I don't let people DL it either, but at least I tell them where they can DL it twice as fast.

www.getdota.com

The game is just not noob friendly in any way whatsoever.

 

[SantaBla]

frankly, i couldn't care less about the community. it's the gameplay that counts, and unfortunately I don't like it.

 

[TheGamer2044]

This maybe completely off topic and random but, have any of you played Dota Nobunaga? It was made in Taiwan I think and I play it on Asian Server time to time, there is a translated version but its not very up to date, in my opinion its way better than dota >.<

 

[centurywarlord]

This maybe completely off topic and random but, have any of you played Dota Nobunaga? It was made in Taiwan I think and I play it on Asian Server time to time, there is a translated version but its not very up to date, in my opinion its way better than dota >.<

I never even heard of it. I already grew bored of playing DotA due to it's repetitive gameplay.

 

[TheGamer2044]

Well here are 2 links to some awesome gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6VLuxPW-0..._Nobunaga;79387
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iZeQ3KQtko&feature=related

 

[TheGamer2044]

Hmm the first link don't work sorry here's the right one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6V...craft3.filefront.com/file/DOTA_Nobunaga;79387

 

[Ash]

Double Post, and stop bumping old threads please :-(

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Off-Topic: He'd doubleposted but he didn't oldbumped it -.-

On-Topic: I hate DotA.

 

[crazyfanatic]

I dont hate DotA, but it isn,t somthing special: easy objectives, easy terrain. If the items hadn't got so much effect on yhe gameplay and there weren't so much stolen things, it could be better. Could be... :|

 

[~Void~]

This maybe completely off topic and random but, have any of you played Dota Nobunaga? It was made in Taiwan I think and I play it on Asian Server time to time, there is a translated version but its not very up to date, in my opinion its way better than dota >.<

I've heard of that. I downloaded it off GG-Game, it kicks ass xD