Covid-19 vaccination

[Kakerate]

Honestly the worst case scenario is that people with comorbidities die a little bit sooner. The show must go on. At risk folks should self-isolate like they should have been doing from the beginning.

This would have been possible if every country had appropriate responses to COVID, which sadly we didn't. If we paid at-risk people to stay home and safe, I feel some deaths couldve been avoided.

 

[deepstrasz]

These vaccines aren't FDA approved. They have not completed clinical trials. They damage your immune system. Good luck to those who took the jab.

Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients have lower antibody levels targeting the Delta variant than other SARS-CoV-2 variants

Levels of antibodies in the blood of vaccinated people that are able to recognise and fight the new SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant first discovered in India (B.1.617.2) are on average lower than those against previously circulating variants in the UK, according to new laboratory data from the Crick...

www.crick.ac.uk

Vaccines ‘outpaced by variants’, WHO warns, as Delta now in 98 countries

Proposals to extends jabs to children in west would delay worldwide rollout, say experts, and allow deadly variants to develop elsewhere

www.theguardian.com

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccines

Comirnaty, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent

www.fda.gov

Clinical Considerations: Myocarditis after COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Clinical considerations for myocarditis and pericarditis after receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines among adolescents and young adults.

www.cdc.gov

Which COVID-19 Vaccine Is Best: For Adults, Children & More

Receiving any of the COVID-19 vaccines is better than remaining unvaccinated. Learn more.

www.healthline.com

This would have been possible if every country had appropriate responses to COVID, which sadly we didn't. If we paid at-risk people to stay home and safe, I feel some deaths couldve been avoided.

Just staying home would have not been enough since they could've got the disease from visitors.

 

[Amigoltu]

Dr. David Bauer: "Pfizer vaccine produces fewer key antibodies"

Dr. David Bauer: "Lo que hemos descubierto es que las personas vacunadas con #Pfizer tienen de 5 a 6 veces menos anticuerpos para combatir el #COVID19 frente a los no vacunados. Cuanto mayor es una pe...

odysee.com

These vaccines aren't FDA approved. They have not completed clinical trials. They damage your immune system. Good luck to those who took the jab.

More importantly, we should each have the right to choose whether we take these vaccines, or not. The point is, that vaccines should supposedly protect the person, who vaccinated, but not others. That's the whole point. Why is there any kind of force or coercion used on people to make them vaccinate? Everyone, who took the needle, should in theory be calm - they are supposedly safe. And so, vaccination should be a completely voluntary decision. (Not to mention, that in many countries, the constitution dictates, that no medical examinations or treatments can be used without a person's written consent, excluding cases when the person is unconscious and in urgent need of treatment)

The mere fact, thus, that coercion (and sometimes force) is being used, should already ring all the alarm bells about this.

And considering, that the recovery rate of this disease is 99 percent, there is no justification for such coercion. There's no justification for the quarantines and declaration of the pandemic, either.

Just staying home would have not been enough since they could've got the disease from visitors.

Tests for those visitors then? Though honestly, it's a person's individual choice.

 

[deepstrasz]

Not to mention, that in many countries, the constitution dictates, that no medical examinations or treatments can be used without a person's written consent, excluding cases when the person is unconscious and in urgent need of treatment)

Epidemics are considered medical crisis and thus coercion can be used in such cases. Basically, it's like a medical emergency.

Does COVID-19 vaccine rollout violate Nuremberg Code that protects against coercion of medical-experiment subjects?

The COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental at this point, and so the Nuremberg Code does not apply to people receiving them.

www.oregonlive.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Good reasons to vaccinate: mandatory or payment for risk? | Journal of Medical Ethics

jme.bmj.com

Persuasion, not coercion or incentivisation, is the best means of promoting COVID-19 vaccination | Journal of Medical Ethics

jme.bmj.com

NCBI - WWW Error Blocked Diagnostic

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mandatory vaccination: legal, justified, effective?

Vaccine programmes being rolled out around the world have provided hope for many, but are causing concern and opposition among others. Global Insight assesses how governments and medical authorities should respond and whether compulsory vaccination is the answer.

www.ibanet.org

Global assessment of national mandatory vaccination policies and consequences of non-compliance

Declining vaccination coverage and increasing hesitancy is a worldwide concern. Many countries have implemented mandatory vaccination policies to prom…

www.sciencedirect.com

And considering, that the recovery rate of this disease is 99 percent, there is no justification for such coercion. There's no justification for the quarantines and declaration of the pandemic, either.

Everybody talks about that percentage but where is the evidence?

Tests for those visitors then? Though honestly, it's a person's individual choice.

You think, people would test each time they want to visit a person at risk?

 

[Amigoltu]

Epidemics are considered medical crisis and thus coercion can be used in such cases. Basically, it's like a medical emergency.

Ah yes, good ol' "emergency situation". A tool, that the oppressive regimes of the past century kept using to "legally" oppress people... Interesting how free and better democracies use it, as well, ain't it?

Again, it cannot be justified in any way. Vaccines only (supposedly) protect those, who vaccinated (and majority of people can get immunity naturally). Hospitals are not overburdened. The virus has a tiny mortality rate.

In no way, is this an actual "emergency situation".

Everybody talks about that percentage but where is the evidence?

You keep hearing those numbers, because they were/are everywhere online.
I already explained it in this thread. This is my comment:

The true death toll will never be known because of the inflated statistics. As an article below points out, lots of deaths are written as "covid deaths" despite the fact, that covid was not the primary cause, or in some cases, not even one of the contributing causes.

Covid Misclassification: What Do the Data Suggest?

"Even during the April peak, excess deaths from dementia were greater than excess deaths from all respiratory disease. This is very difficult to explain by any hypothesis other than death by lockdown." ~ Gilbert Berdine

www.aier.org

And yet, for all I know, this may be a lesser risk. Not to mention, that I will rather take the risk of getting hurt by a natural cause, than being hurt by something that was supposed to protect me.

Either way is a risk. And it's my choice to decide which one I take.

Also: there's no such thing as a "dose" of virus. You either get the virus, or not. And your immune system recognizes it and destroys it, or not. It doesn't matter what "dose" you get.


If those others have vaccinated, they have nothing to fear, right? And if they decided not to, then they have accepted the possible risk. Not to mention, that as you pointed out yourself, even those vaccinated can get sick. And again, with an over 99% recovery chance, most people already have a good chance of "good and fast recovery".

And if some of them do need hospital treatment - that's what hospitals are for. And it's not like they are overburdened...


I do know, though. If they would have gotten sick, they would have. I'd have known.

As for that "lucky" - let's stop with the joke. Neither I, nor my acquittances were healthy these past 2 years because of "luck".


What, exactly, do you mean by this? If a person didn't get severely sick, a person didn't get severely sick. What would be the point of lying?


There are lots of sources from WHO, worldometer, CDC, etc. You can easily make the calculations yourself.

Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Case Fatality Rate (CFR), Infection Fatality Rate (IFR), and Crude Mortality Rate (CMR) latest estimates for the COVID-19 disease from the SARS-CoV-2 virus originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

Even with the inflated statistics, the number stays at approx. 99% (+-0.5%).


There is no such thing as "selfishness" here. It's everyone's individual business to take precautions, or not. If you vaccinated, you have nothing to fear. Supposedly. If you don't trust the vaccine - that's another topic. Not to mention, that most people have nothing to fear anyways.

Covid is not a big problem to the vast majority of the people. There is no justification, whatsoever, for the lockdowns. And there is even less justification for constitution-breaking forceful vaccinations or discrimination against those, who do not vaccinate.

Lastly, covid will likely NEVER go away, just like flu never really went away. And we aren't freaking out over flu, are we?


Guess what? Driving your car, going on hikes, even just going outside - all of it is "rolling the dice on your life".
As I told @Dr Super Good - if other people have vaccinated, they don't need to fear me (unless they distrust the vaccine), and if they chose not to, like myself - it's their choice as well.

Everyone of us has the right to take, or not to take, precautions. And if you spit on my freedom and rights, you are as "selfish" as I am.

You think, people would test each time they want to visit a person at risk?

It's up to them, and the person at risk, to decide.

 

[deepstrasz]

Vaccines only (supposedly) protect those, who vaccinated (and majority of people can get immunity naturally).

Well, they say the vaccinated people get a less severe disease and then if they give it to others, it's not as bad as not being vaccinated and spreading the virus.

I already explained it in this thread. This is my comment:

You know, people expect evidence from BMJ, NEJM, Nature, The Lancet, sites like those.

Funny thing is, that as an individual you're frowned upon for not vaccinating but you can fuck the whole city and get as many abortions as you want.

 

[Amigoltu]

Well, they say the vaccinated people get a less severe disease and then if they give it to others, it's not as bad as not being vaccinated and spreading the virus.

Well what are those "others" I can give this virus to? The vaccinated ones? They've nothing to fear, supposedly. Unvaccinated? They've accepted the "risk".

You know, people expect evidence from BMJ, NEJM, Nature, The Lancet, sites like those.

worldometer is reliable, even for normies And I am sure we could find CDC and WHO showing similar percentages.

Funny thing is, that as an individual you're frowned upon for not vaccinating but you can fuck the whole city and get as many abortions as you want.

Yeah well the funniest thing is, that those doing the "frowning" are the vaccinated ones, mostly. Like... What do they have to fear? Don't they trust the vaccine? Or are they upset because they secretly DO fear this vaccine and want us to be on the same boat as them?

 

[deepstrasz]

Well what are those "others" I can give this virus to? The vaccinated ones? They've nothing to fear, supposedly. Unvaccinated? They've accepted the "risk".

I'm saying being vaccinated makes you have a milder disease and you spread a smaller virus load.

Yeah well the funniest thing is, that those doing the "frowning" are the vaccinated ones, mostly.

They also usually think you're anti-science and anti-vaccines too.

 

[GhostWolf]

They also usually think you're anti-science and anti-vaccines too.

That's somewhat problematic, given the fact the same people will also be Karens and shout at other people to wear masks, while:
1) Masks are worthless when used in the way the laymen uses them (i.e. not in a sterile environment, putting the mask once without touching the fabric in any way, do a procedure, throw it in the garbage).
2) The "scientist" who's words come straight from some science holy being, i.e. Fauci, himself doesn't believe any of these things that he says, which is proven in the leaked emails (as if anyone who actually looks couldn't see all the evidence before...). If you really follow what he said in recent years, you will notice he actually had...ALL the opinions. On pretty much every controversial subject. Just a matter of timing and politics.
3) Many practicing doctors, who actually treated Covid - unlike said god of sciene Fauci who is a political shill - magically all got censored and banned from youtube/twitter/facebook when they said anything that doesn't flow with what the WHO said at the time. Their views are now the mainstream, even down to "wear a mask" which some of you idolize so much, and the WHO said DON'T put masks they are bad for you...in fact the WHO and other health "leaders", i.e. politicians who didn't do anything related to health in many years went against their own opinion on almost a weekly basis in the beginning, and still do on a monthly basis...people tend to forget that.

It's not a big surprise people would be against this "science", considering it's affecting all of us.

I could go also beyond masks, but this is possibly the easiest subject where all the bullshit is out in the open.

 

[deepstrasz]

Ha-ha, some more conspiracy:

EXCLUSIVE - Former Pfizer VP: ‘Your government is lying to you in a way that could lead to your death’ - LifeSite

‘Look out the window, and think, “why is my government lying to me about something so fundamental?” Because, I think the answer is, they are going to kill you using this method. They’re going to kill you and your family.’

www.lifesitenews.com

And fact checking of course:

Fact Check-Fact check: Ex-Pfizer scientist repeats COVID-19 vaccine misinformation in recorded speech

A former Pfizer scientist turned anti-vax proponent has made unfounded claims about the novel coronavirus in videos of a speech he gave that have been posted on social media.

www.reuters.com

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Virologist didn’t say this about COVID-19 vaccine recipients

A dire warning is being shared on Facebook — that "all vaccinated people will die within two years." "Nobel Prize winner

www.politifact.com

 

[maddeem]

The following is a list of sources demonstrating that not
receiving the vaccine would not be a threat to yourself and others:
1: That COVID Deaths are over-evaluated due to false positive
tests for the virus –

Covid-19 fatality is likely overestimated

The final case fatality rate (CFR) from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes covid-19, will likely be lower than those initially reported.1 Previous reviews of H1N1 and SARS show the systematic inflation of early mortality estimates.23 Early estimates of H1N1’s mortality were susceptible to...

www.bmj.com

2: That only 5% of Deaths had COVID as the only cause -

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

3: That COVID has a death rate of less than 1% -

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v2

4: That COVID only marginally affects the youth -

NCBI - WWW Error Blocked Diagnostic

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5: That COVID has an almost zero percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer - Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China - Nature Communications
6: That COVID has a less than one percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer among individuals living together within the same
household -

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/277

4102
7: How Acute Respiratory Failure Occurs -

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520300

24X
8: That FeCov Worsens a Subject’s Clinical Course -

Immunopathogenesis of coronavirus infections: implications for SARS - PubMed

At the end of 2002, the first cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) were reported, and in the following year, SARS resulted in considerable mortality and morbidity worldwide. SARS is caused by a novel species of coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and is the most severe coronavirus-mediated human...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

9: That mRNA Vaccines have a chance of causing Heart
Inflammation -

Use of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine After Reports of ...

This report describes the Advisory Committee on Immunization ...

www.cdc.gov

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10: Mutations in COVID -

NCBI - WWW Error Blocked Diagnostic

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

11: Mutations in COVID [part 2] -

NCBI - WWW Error Blocked Diagnostic

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

12: Dr. Peter Hotez on the unsafe nature of the Vaccine –

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-vaccines-

insight/as-pressure-for-coronavirus-vaccine-mounts-scientists-
debate-risks-of-accelerated-testing-idUKKBN20Y1I1
13: Scientist Hilda Bastian on the unsafe nature of the Vaccine
- https://www.wired.com/story/the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-
data-isnt-up-to-snuff/
14: Former Vice President of Pfizer, Dr. Michael Yeadon on the
unsafe nature of the Vaccine -

Health News | Latest Healthcare Sector & Healthcare Industry news, Information and Updates: ET HealthWorld

Health News: ETHealthworld.com brings latest healthcare news, views and updates. Get healthcare industry & sector news from all top sources for the Indian Health industry.

health.economictimes.indiatimes.com

need-for-vaccines-covid-effectively-over-ex-pfizer-vp/79445839
15: Current Pfizer CEO Unable to Say if Vaccine Will Mitigate
COVID Transmission - Health News Articles: Fitness, Diets, Weight Loss & More | Daily Mail Online
9018547/Pfizer-CEO-not-certain-covid-shot-prevents-
transmission.html
16: That Adverse Reactions and Deaths due to the Vaccine are
underreported - https://www.icandecide.org/wp-
content/uploads/2020/12/Lazarus-report.pdf
17: Monk Paul of Mount Athos Against the Vaccine -

https://orthodoxethos.com/post/de-mystifying-the-vaccine-for-

corona-virus
18: The Worth in Being Skeptical About the Vaccine -

Post | Deconstructing Con.

www.deconstructingconventional.com

t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine
19: Anonymous Exemption Request -

Build a Free Website | VistaPrint

Design and create a professional website with the Wix website builder. Choose from customizable templates and design, then select the features that your business needs.

miriaf.webs.com

20: 99.74% Survivability Rate of COVID -

https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-estimates-covid-19-

fatality-rate-including-asymptomatic-cases

 

[deepstrasz]

18:

'18 Reasons' Anti-Vax Post Filled With Reckless Falsehoods

A blog post riddled with misinformation is effectively a "Now That's What I Call Music" style anthology of debunked anti-vaccine and COVID-19 denial claims.

www.snopes.com

Also, many of those are outdated and many links are wrongly written/posted.

9:

"The ACIP discussion concluded that 1) the benefits of vaccinating all recommended age groups with mRNA COVID-19 vaccine clearly outweigh the risks of vaccination, including the risk of myocarditis after vaccination; 2) continuing to monitor outcomes of myocarditis cases after COVID-19 vaccination is important; and 3) providers and the public should be informed about these myocarditis cases and the use of COVID-19 vaccines. Based on ACIP’s conclusion regarding the benefit-risk assessment on June 23, 2021, COVID-19 vaccination continues to be recommended for all persons aged ≥12 years under the FDA’s EUA. ACIP emphasized the importance of informing vaccination providers and the public about the benefits and the risks, including the risk for myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination, particularly for males aged 12–29 years."

 

[maddeem]

The links are fine, just quote me to get the correct links. Looks like hive had some issues processing the longer one.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Another day, another person who refused to get vaccinated dead due to covid, regretting their choice on their death bed. This time a fit and healthy (no underlying health conditions) 42 year old from Southport in Merseyside.

The internet is full of cases of such people. The BBC ran an article a few weeks ago covering just a few of the more lucky ones.

Coronavirus doctor's diary: Unvaccinated patients with many regrets

The number of Covid patients in Bradford Royal Infirmary is rising sharply - and half are unvaccinated.

www.bbc.co.uk

The lesson is that no matter how healthy you think you are, it might not be enough to survive covid. Yes vaccinations are not completely effective, but any help they give is better than nothing and can make a huge difference to your survival chances should you get infected.

The UK is considering lowering the vaccination age from 18 down to 16 so people aged 16 to 17 should be eligible to be vaccinated. Before in that age group only those with underlying health conditions were being vaccinated.

 

[Amigoltu]

Another day, another person who refused to get vaccinated dead due to covid, regretting their choice on their death bed. This time a fit and healthy (no underlying health conditions) 42 year old from Southport in Merseyside.

The internet is full of cases of such people. The BBC ran an article a few weeks ago covering just a few of the more lucky ones.

Coronavirus doctor's diary: Unvaccinated patients with many regrets

The number of Covid patients in Bradford Royal Infirmary is rising sharply - and half are unvaccinated.

www.bbc.co.uk

The lesson is that no matter how healthy you think you are, it might not be enough to survive covid. Yes vaccinations are not completely effective, but any help they give is better than nothing and can make a huge difference to your survival chances should you get infected.

The UK is considering lowering the vaccination age from 18 down to 16 so people aged 16 to 17 should be eligible to be vaccinated. Before in that age group only those with underlying health conditions were being vaccinated.

I am sure BBC is full of such stories. I can pull some, as well:

Spoiler: Click me

Latest VAERS Data Show: 5,165 Deaths Reported Following COVID Vaccines

VAERS data released today showed 294,801 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 5,165 deaths and 25,359 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 28, 2021.

childrenshealthdefense.org

CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination

At least 750 fully vaccinated people have died after contracting Covid but the CDC noted that 142 of those fatalities were asymptomatic or unrelated to Covid.

www.cnbc.com

Utah woman, 39, dies 4 days after 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccine; autopsy ordered

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/what-its-like-to-have-myocarditis-after-covid-19-vaccine.html

13 Israelis suffer FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid jab, but NO LINK to vaccination found (UPDATED)

At least 13 Israelis have experienced facial paralysis after being administered the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, a month after the US Food and Drug Administration reported similar issues but said they weren’t linked to the jab.

www.rt.com

NCBI - WWW Error Blocked Diagnostic

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

(Need more?)

So, I get a vaccine for a disease with 99% recovery rate and I have a chance, however small, to actually die from the vaccine itself?! The supposed safeguard measure?! And if not die, then suffer severe health conditions? On top of that, I still have a chance to die from this "disease" or get hospitalized because of it, even after getting vaccinated?

Speaking seriously, nobody is buying these boogie-man stories about the supposed "horror" of this "disease". If people do vaccinate, it's only to get various restrictions alleviated.

And all of this just brings the need for vaccines, the quarantine, all the restrictions, further into question. It's not the disease that we are battling. It's just governments putting restrictions on healthy people, who value their rights, and attempting to coerce or force people to go through "medical treatment" (which shouldn't be legal in the first place). Essentially, take the unclear, experimental needle if you want your freedom (which you should have regardless).

Only thing I can say - GOOD JOB, France and Italy! GOOD JOB to all those many thousands of people, who still have the mind and the balls to fight for their intrinsic rights. To fight against dictatorial oppression. Our grandparents and great-grandparents had to fight it. And sadly, apparently, so will we.

 

[maddeem]

Trust the science bro, get your jab (((or else)))

 

[Ralle]

Speaking seriously, nobody is buying these boogie-man stories about the supposed "horror" of this "disease". If people do vaccinate, it's only to get various restrictions alleviated.

I don't agree. While your point can be argued, it is a way more severe disease than regular flu. Way more people have died from it than the regular one. If I am to get vaccinated, it won't be to alleviate restrictions. And I believe to many old people in particular, that's never the reason.

However for younger people like you and me, I see it more your way. In my mind we do it to protect the elders or to wear belt and suspenders ourselves, or help reduce the spread. It is still fatal for a random few of us but hardly as problematic as for older people.

I am all for people making their own decisions based in facts/feel as opposed to group pressure though.

Trust the science bro, get your jab (((or else)))

This attitude here makes me cringe.

 

[Dr Super Good]

So, I get a vaccine for a disease with 99% recovery rate and I have a chance, however small, to actually die from the vaccine itself?! The supposed safeguard measure?! And if not die, then suffer severe health conditions? On top of that, I still have a chance to die from this "disease" or get hospitalized because of it, even after getting vaccinated?

With vaccination your chances are orders of magnitude better than without. The chance of negative side effects of the vaccine are borderline the chances of death or injury crossing roads and other unrelated sources of death so are not significantly any more risk than people take on a daily basis.

Speaking seriously, nobody is buying these boogie-man stories about the supposed "horror" of this "disease". If people do vaccinate, it's only to get various restrictions alleviated.

Tell that to everyone who has died to it. If you really want, you can track them down as they are all real people with real deaths caused by this real virus. It is only a "boogie-man" story until someone you know dies of it, after which case it is not but by that time it is too late.

And all of this just brings the need for vaccines, the quarantine, all the restrictions, further into question. It's not the disease that we are battling. It's just governments putting restrictions on healthy people, who value their rights, and attempting to coerce or force people to go through "medical treatment" (which shouldn't be legal in the first place). Essentially, take the unclear, experimental needle if you want your freedom (which you should have regardless).

The same "healthy" people that 3 weeks later are dead due to covid, as happened the other day. Just because you are healthy does not make you immune or even resistant to covid. It just means that your chances of making a reasonable recovery are better, but still not certain.

The lockdowns were required to prevent covid running out of control and stop preventable deaths due to the health system collapsing under the strain. Without these measures, such as what happened in India, the result would have been the hospitals being at well over 100 times capacity with people who could otherwise have survived covid ending up dying due to a lack of the medication they require such as oxygen cylinders or assisted ventilation. Even if everyone in the world ends up getting covid eventually, the total number of deaths will be much lower than it would have been without lockdowns due to this ability to provide a high quality of care by not overwhelming the health care system.

Lockdowns are going to become a thing of the past. The reality is the world cannot afford any further lockdowns so now people will have to pay for covid with their health and even lives instead of money and time. This is why vaccines are important since they greatly reduce the number of people who need hospital treatment for covid, even with the new strains, preventing the health care system from collapsing. They also help to significantly reduce the spread reducing the chances of people being infected to begin with further buying the health care system more slack to treat the unfortunate. The less covid spreads, the less likely it is to mutate as well.

Our grandparents and great-grandparents had to fight it. And sadly, apparently, so will we.

You mean the same grandparents and great-grandparents who many of which are now dead due to covid? Most of the covid deaths are comprised of people who fall into that category. Yeh I am pretty sure they would not fight this, especially if they knew that it would end up killing them in the year 2020 to 2021. If anything they would grab their young descendants by their ears and tell them to obey lockdowns like they had to obey curfews and blackouts during World War 2.

 

[deepstrasz]

Vaccines stop diseases safely — why all the suspicion?

To immunize people against misinformation, public-health researchers must forge authentic relationships that build confidence, urges Heidi Larson. By Joan Donovan

www.nature.com

 

[WindowsVistaSucks]

Just running through this entire thread. Has anyone here actually caught COVID-19? Some people think that only those that have underlying health issues or are old or unfit run the risk of actual long term damage (hopefully that it does not take your life). I've caught it, and it's 100% worse than the common cold. My thoughts? It does not matter if you're fit, or fairly young honestly. I'm 27 years old, and would work out 5-6 days a week, eat pretty healthy and wouldn't consider myself unfit at all. Unluckily for me, I had the breathing symptoms... Just falling off what I experienced. I really felt terrible knowing that there are those out there that had it so much worse than me (due to underlying issues or not).

This virus has proven deadly, and anyone not taking it serious, is being absolutely ridiculous. Now... After everything I said. Am I opposed to the vaccine? No... But... It needs to be proven useful. I don't have any interest in taking something that has more than 5% chance of making me sick, or deal with underlying issues for the rest of my life due to a vaccine. SO... I'm not against it, nor am I quick reaching for it. Did COVID-19 suck? Absolutely... Put a brick on your heart (not your chest), and that's what it's like. It's pretty awful. It didn't make me feel worse than some instances of me just getting sick. But again, it causes you to breathe heavy (if that's your symptom), and if your body is like mine, it will move heavy, and will feel slow (which is most likely due to your body putting all it's energy in fighting the damn virus).

I hated the lock downs, and I still hate them. I live in Victoria, Australia. We have had the hardest lockdown worldwide... Eight months straight. It absolutely sucked. And we're on another lockdown right now. Vaccine roll out is slow. And I'd love things to go back to normal. It's awful for businesses, but the virus is 100% is a damn problem.

The way I see it, overall, we're all just sick of it. It makes sense why people would fight against the idea of covid being that serious. The more you bring up the same thing, the less you're bound to care. Until you catch or, or until someone you know catches it... Or in a worse case scenario, until someone you know passes away due to it (no, oxygen tanks are not killing people lol).

So yay me! Lol

TL;DR: Some dude that caught covid. It sucked. Not entirely open to taking a rushed vaccine, but not against the idea for a vaccine. Dislikes the lockdowns, and dislikes how it ruining businesses, and peoples mental states. I'm over it, we're all over it.

Edit: Not leaving this here for too long, but it will be interesting seeing what responses I get.

 

[deepstrasz]

Serious COVID cases keep climbing as Israel mulls fourth lockdown

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www.haaretz.com

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Has anyone here actually caught COVID-19?

Yes, most people have and most have had an asymptomatic form.

And we're on another lockdown right now. Vaccine roll out is slow.

Lockdowns disappear if people vaccinate since most are not able to maintain social distancing and don't have a proper hygiene.

Edit: Not leaving this here for too long, but it will be interesting seeing what responses I get.

What's the fear of? What's the point of the post if you censor yourself?

 

[Dr Super Good]

Yes, most people have and most have had an asymptomatic form.

There is no evidence of this. A lot of people might have had symptoms, even quite bad ones, but unless they end up in hospital there is no real record keeping of the event.

 

[deepstrasz]

There is no evidence of this. A lot of people might have had symptoms, even quite bad ones, but unless they end up in hospital there is no real record keeping of the event.

There is no official statistics but many people who had the curiosity to test for anti-spike protein antibodies had the surprise of finding out they had the infection.

 

[Dr Super Good]

There is no official statistics but many people who had the curiosity to test for anti-spike protein antibodies had the surprise of finding out they had the infection.

And some people also tricked covid tests using fruit juice to get off school to make it look like they had covid. I doubt the reliability of some of the fast tests.

Also just because you have anti-bodies does not mean you cannot get it again after a while. Vaccinations will help refresh and boost the immune response.

 

[deepstrasz]

And some people also tricked covid tests using fruit juice to get off school to make it look like they had covid. I doubt the reliability of some of the fast tests.

Also just because you have anti-bodies does not mean you cannot get it again after a while. Vaccinations will help refresh and boost the immune response.

I wasn't referring to quick tests.
You can get it even if vaccinated. Not sure about the statistics on bad cases in vaccinated people though. Israel isn't doing too well and it has like 70% or so of the citizens vaccinated.

 

[maddeem]

Another day, another person who refused to get vaccinated dead due to covid, regretting their choice on their death bed. This time a fit and healthy (no underlying health conditions) 42 year old from Southport in Merseyside.

The internet is full of cases of such people. The BBC ran an article a few weeks ago covering just a few of the more lucky ones.

Coronavirus doctor's diary: Unvaccinated patients with many regrets

The number of Covid patients in Bradford Royal Infirmary is rising sharply - and half are unvaccinated.

www.bbc.co.uk

The lesson is that no matter how healthy you think you are, it might not be enough to survive covid. Yes vaccinations are not completely effective, but any help they give is better than nothing and can make a huge difference to your survival chances should you get infected.

The UK is considering lowering the vaccination age from 18 down to 16 so people aged 16 to 17 should be eligible to be vaccinated. Before in that age group only those with underlying health conditions were being vaccinated.

He looks overweight, borderline obese. 78% of patients in the ICU for Covid are obese. We have an obesity epidemic first and foremost.

 

[Dr Super Good]

He looks overweight, borderline obese. 78% of patients in the ICU for Covid are obese. We have an obesity epidemic first and foremost.

Many articles like that are run every day now. Some with ultra fit anti-vaxers who were climbing hills a few weeks earlier, regretting their choice on their deathbed as they were dying from covid. Others with anti-vax community ministers saying that 3 people in their congregation died from covid within a few weeks and urging others get the vaccination. I choose that article because the BBC is internationally recognised as opposed to some local news outlet. Reality is these individual stories are so common now international or major news does not really bother reporting them.

 

[maddeem]

Yeah and the BBC says that this individual is, "... a super-fit 54-year-old." This is plain false. I'm not saying all the facts in their stories are false, but it doesn't bode well when they call an overweight person "super-fit" lmao.

 

[Dr Super Good]

This is plain false. I'm not saying all the facts in their stories are false, but it doesn't bode well when they call an overweight person "super-fit" lmao.

What evidence do you have the person is overweight? Do you know their weight and height to calculate BMI? Or are you using a low quality phone photo of their head in a gown to guess?

 

[deepstrasz]

German nurse speaks out about COVID vaccine scandal – DW – 08/12/2021

The German nurse accused of injecting saline solution instead of the COVID-19 vaccine said it was "a one-time incident." More than 8,000 people could be affected, authorities said.

www.dw.com

 

[Rui]

In general though, it's the hysteria that gets me.

Perfect motto for my intervention after what happened today. I just had a huge argument with a family member over her irrational behaviour.

At some point, the Portuguese government was urging people not to have family reunions, because people were mostly getting infected in this fashion. Sure: if a person gets infected in the (congested) public transports, and then passes it on to 9 family members at a family dinner, statistics will show 10% infection rate in public transports, and 90% family contagion. But I would argue the family reunion is not the primary sin.

In any case, ever since then, this family member decided we would have none, yet we had coffee every Saturday morning. I tried to explain that there was absolutely no reason to cancel a dinner among us, because we already had coffee, under 1meter of distance, obviously without mask, and therefore the maximum risk was already accepted and taken. This was apparently too hard to understand, and degenerated in shallow insults and all kind of whataboutisms.

Over the next few months, the Portuguese Government will lift the obligation to wear masks in the streets and restrictions on night clubs and other schedules. Funny. What happened to all lives matter? What happened to every human life has no price? There are currently 20 to 30 people dying daily in Portugal to Covid-19, some of them vaccinated, and more will die if we lift restrictions. Opening up and lifting restrictions now is basically saying: 20 to 30 lives is the price I'm willing to pay for liberty.

The hysteria, the cluelessness about how the pandemic actually works, and the hipocrisy — especially the huge hipocrisy — is what gets me.


Having said that, I took the Johnson & Johnson's vaccine today. My arm felt like it got shot, but other than that I'm fine, so far. Even so, I stand for everyone taking the vaccine out of their own accord, and what risks they are willing to take. I took it because:

• I've suffered very nasty flus, and I don't want to experience something's that's similar, but much worse.​

• I'm a bit wary of the post-disease symptoms, a.k.a. "long covid".​

• I am willing to take the risk of being vaccinated to lessen others' risk of being infected by me.​

• If the vaccine can stop infection and mutations from happening, then that's good. Probably worthless if we permit world travel to unvaccinated, populous countries, but still.​

And because vaccines are not 100% effective, I will keep being cautious, but I will not encage myself. While we live, we are in risk of dying. Perhaps more now than before, but it's still not big news.

 

[deepstrasz]

Over the next few months, the Portuguese Government will lift the obligation to wear masks in the streets and restrictions on night clubs and other schedules. Funny. What happened to all lives matter? What happened to every human life has no price? There are currently 20 to 30 people dying daily in Portugal to Covid-19, some of them vaccinated, and more will die if we lift restrictions. Opening up and lifting restrictions now is basically saying: 20 to 30 lives is the price I'm willing to pay for liberty.

If a country hasn't got the logistics to vaccinate most its citizens within the time frame that doesn't require another (third) shot, restrictions could go on forever destroying the economy. And big countries have the most problems with logistics.

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The Offspring drummer Pete Parada says he was dropped over vaccine refusal

Pete Parada says a doctor advised him not to have the jab because of a rare autoimmune disorder.

www.bbc.com

 

[deepstrasz]

New Zealand thrown into lockdown over single suspected Delta case

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern put New Zealand under strict lockdown on Tuesday after the country's first coronavirus case in six months was reported in the largest city of Auckland.

www.reuters.com

 

[deepstrasz]

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

 

[The_Silent]

Unless your a virologist, epidemiologist, or something similiar, I don't give a sh*t about your opinion. No matter how many youtube videos, blogposts or articles from sites like "www.covid-19-is-a-globalist-conspiracy.com" people post. (Don't follow that link. Haha)

Everything is steeped in conspiracy bullsh*t. You're not experts. Stop talking like you are. Follow the advice of your health-officials and the scientists. You do absolutley not know better than them, even if Militia-Steve on youtube and Karan Silverhat on facebook agrees with you.

 

[deepstrasz]

Follow the advice of your health-officials and the scientists.

Believe and do not doubt.

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

 

[Oliver]

I've been double jabbed, my brother hasn't. He recently went out with his friend and caught covid, throwing up, headaches, unable to eat, positive lateral flow and pcr tests etc. In the days between him seeing his friend and having symptoms/positive test we hung out a fair amount without social distancing etc, including being in fairly close proximity on the day he was feeling ill and did his positive test.#

Goes without saying I should have been more careful but luckily I haven't caught covid (lateral flow tests everyday, pcr test etc) so the vaccine seems to have been effective in protecting me.

As for the jab itself (AZ) my arm was achey for about a day, no issues at all. I have asthma so anything to protect further lung damage (like that people get from covid) is more than welcome. Would recommend it to anyone who can get it.

 

[deepstrasz]

Covid deaths rare among fully vaccinated - ONS

Out of 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July, only 256 occurred after two doses.

www.bbc.com

 

[Stefan.K]

So I am a bit confused here. My mother did a blood analisys and the results about the antibodies are:
IgG: 1566, from the analisys the normal border is from 700-1600
IgM: 76.5, normal border 40.0-230.0

Does anyone know what this actually means? The doctor said she does not have a corona virus, but she has antibodies(from the vaccine, by the doctor's words).
Was anyone in similar situation, perhaps?

 

[deepstrasz]

Does anyone know what this actually means?

The antibodies are within normal range. That means protection, assuming it refers to the anti-spike protein antibodies.

Here's an example of such testing I'm babbling about:

Understanding Your Spike Protein Results | CityMD

Understanding your COVID-19 spike protein test results is crucial to keeping you and your community safe. Learn more about spike proteins and what different results look like.

www.citymd.com

 

[deepstrasz]

kissing her and fucking her

these words moved me

 

[Dreamshock]

these words moved me

I wanted to make sure that you guys understand that even saliva exchange with people wont infect you with the so called covid, so such words do move almost anyone

 

[Dr Super Good]

Does anyone know what this actually means? The doctor said she does not have a corona virus, but she has antibodies(from the vaccine, by the doctor's words).
Was anyone in similar situation, perhaps?

It is my understanding the vaccine works by encouraging your body to produce coronavirus antibodies. That way when you are exposed to the real coronavirus your antibodies will immediately begin to combat it and so reduce the damage it causes to your body, and hence improve your recovery significantly. The antibodies might even stop a serious infection of coronavirus from starting. Without the vaccine your body will have no antibodies to combat coronavirus as before 2019 it is unlikely you would have encountered a virus similar enough to coronavirus.

 

[Dreamshock]

Imagine getting your post deleted for spreading the truth to get completely erased in the hiveworkshop.com , freedom of speech at its finest Well i had to try brothers.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Imagine getting your post deleted for spreading the truth to get completely erased in the hiveworkshop.com , freedom of speech at its finest Well i had to try brothers.

The post that was deleted for spreading factually incorrect information that could potentially cause harm to peoples' health should they believe it. I was going to write a huge response explaining how most of it was not true but since it was deleted I did not to prevent derailing this topic.

The short gist of it is graphene and nanoparticles cannot be used to control people. Social media companies also do not want to kill people off seeing how they profit directly from there being more people (fewer people bad for business). Also graphene is not graphite oxide, with graphite oxide being discovered and made long before making graphene was possible. Neither graphene or graphite oxide are metallic by periodic definition of what a metal is. Given how difficult it is to make graphene (part of carbon nanotube industry), neither would be used in a vaccine, especially given that they have nothing to do with coronavirus.

The biggest conspiracy theory there might be with all the vaccines is that the vaccine companies will want to turn this into a regular/repeat business, even when/if coronavirus is no longer a threat. However for now Coronavirus is a major threat with people still dying from it every day.

 

[deepstrasz]

The post that was deleted for spreading factually incorrect information that could potentially cause harm to peoples' health should they believe it. I was going to write a huge response explaining how most of it was not true but since it was deleted I did not to prevent derailing this topic.

That doesn't matter. People have brains to think for themselves. Censorship is a totalitarian move.

 

[Footman16]

That doesn't matter. People have brains to think for themselves. Censorship is a totalitarian move.

People may have brains but no one has immaculate knowledge of every subject or a medical degree. Censorship will always exist to some extent whether that is who has access to pornography, shouting obscenities in the street or shouting fire in a crowded theatre. People who cry about freedom of speech or censorship need to argue for why certain things shouldn't be censored or allowed otherwise they are arguing from a purely ideological standpoint with no real merit or grounding in reality.

As to the post that was deleted DSG is right, spreading misinformation that does real harm to people shouldn't be allowed. One only needs to look at the people who consumed bleach due to misinformation about COVID to see just how harmful misinformation can be adding to the swirl of conspiracy and nonsense around COVID or vaccines is only going to prolong the issue. Freedom of speech, I agree is important, but it is also important to recognise where it has its limits. People disagree on those limits; that is fine but the limits are there and no rational person believes otherwise.

 

[deepstrasz]

Freedom of speech, I agree is important, but it is also important to recognise where it has its limits. People disagree on those limits; that is fine but the limits are there and no rational person believes otherwise.

I've seen his post as a joke and nothing more. Surely, there are people who will counter even the silliest of theories. If you hide things, these people will act like kids and seek to find the censored material and might even think it's true because there's a conspiracy that hid them in the first place.

Anyways, smoking and alcohol do a lot of damage and it is free to get. I'm not referring to minors here. COVID and any stupid conspiracy theory is something that mainly affects adults.

 

[Dr Super Good]

If you hide things, these people will act like kids and seek to find the censored material and might even think it's true because there's a conspiracy that hid them in the first place.

Which is why it is important that enough facts are spread around.

Anyways, smoking and alcohol do a lot of damage and it is free to get. I'm not referring to minors here. COVID and any stupid conspiracy theory is something that mainly affects adults.

Smoking and alcohol are both tangible. You can throw a fish into wine and it dies (poor fish...). You can see cigarette smoke cover surfaces with tars, and even see tar covered lunges in anatomy museums. It is very easy for people to understand tangible things as they can see and experience what they do first hand.

The problem is that COVID is not really tangible in that sense. You cannot visually see viruses due to their size. I am not even sure if you can optically with visible light they are just that small. Sure if you understand the science you can image their structure, sequence them and know how they work making them very much real but for people who might lack scientific background this might be less believable than mind control graphene or drinking bleach being healthy (both of which are false statements, graphene cannot mind control you and bleach is highly toxic). The only thing truly tangible about COVID to such people are the symptoms, which is why so many antivaxers and deniers who caught it badly have repented on their deathbed and admitted they were stupid for not following guidelines and taking COVID seriously.

A lot of people will might be prone to believing anything they read about COVID. To minimise this I strongly recommend websites remove false information, and possibly post a disclaimer when doing so explaining why the information was false or how it could potentially harm people. For example COVID vaccines help reduce the chance a person gets infected by COVID and also how sick they might get if they do get infected, as such not getting fully vaccinated carries potentially serious health implications which could lead to unnecessary deaths.

 

[deepstrasz]

Which is why it is important that enough facts are spread around

without censoring so facts would actually debunk something.

The problem is that COVID is not really tangible in that sense. You cannot visually see viruses due to their size. I am not even sure if you can optically with visible light they are just that small. Sure if you understand the science you can image their structure, sequence them and know how they work making them very much real but for people who might lack scientific background this might be less believable than mind control graphene or drinking bleach being healthy (both of which are false statements, graphene cannot mind control you and bleach is highly toxic). The only thing truly tangible about COVID to such people are the symptoms, which is why so many antivaxers and deniers who caught it badly have repented on their deathbed and admitted they were stupid for not following guidelines and taking COVID seriously.

This makes little sense. You definitely have a warning on the bleach bottle that says it's dangerous. Also, some poisonous/toxic substances are transparent, thus the tangibility stuff falls.
No sane person believes drinking bleach is healthier than a vaccine.

A lot of people will might be prone to believing anything they read about COVID. To minimise this I strongly recommend websites remove false information, and possibly post a disclaimer when doing so explaining why the information was false or how it could potentially harm people. For example COVID vaccines help reduce the chance a person gets infected by COVID and also how sick they might get if they do get infected, as such not getting fully vaccinated carries potentially serious health implications which could lead to unnecessary deaths.

You get same types of messages on cigarette and alcohol products but you don't get anything censored.