Blades 'n Gore II v0.99h

[Kitabatake]

I think he means computer slots...
There is a bug in boss mode. When I put in computer slots (instead of "Open"), after the first round in boss mode (defeated), those "Computers" appeared and attacked one another...

Ah thanks for clarifying that!
I thought I had disabled hero spawning for computer players but apparently not. I'll have it fixed for the next version.

Computer players will be enabled later if/when the AI systems are advanced enough to handle it. At the moment only hostile AI minions and bosses are supported.

Well, I wasnt planning more, but sure.
Bigger stadium couldve been fine.

Even though, I really enjoy playing this with my friends.
A great boredum buster.

Also, any plans on projectiled weapons?
How about also adding magoc or spells?

Yes, projectile weapons are planned.
Magic/spells are under consideration.

 

[n00b]

moar suggestions

#1
a problem i frequently come across is staying alive; enemies respawn so fast i can't really get that much drink regen in. a couple of things to remedy this:
1. make drink heal a small amount of health instantly, maybe like 5-10 hp
2. add a respawn delay which increases as the game progresses
3. heal hp when at your base

#2
fang should have unique stats like the blood coat does

#3
when you do fast consecutive lunges, you're pushed backwards for some reason. and after some experimenting it only happens when you're facing left/down, wat

#4
i also lol'd pretty hard at nodachi's range, you should make it hella weaker to compensate for its long ass reach

cant think of anything else bye

 

[Kitabatake]

moar suggestions

#1
a problem i frequently come across is staying alive; enemies respawn so fast i can't really get that much drink regen in. a couple of things to remedy this:
1. make drink heal a small amount of health instantly, maybe like 5-10 hp
2. add a respawn delay which increases as the game progresses
3. heal hp when at your base

Hmm I'll consider it.

#2
fang should have unique stats like the blood coat does

I'm open for suggestions and ideas!

#3
when you do fast consecutive lunges, you're pushed backwards for some reason. and after some experimenting it only happens when you're facing left/down, wat

#4
i also lol'd pretty hard at nodachi's range, you should make it hella weaker to compensate for its long ass reach

cant think of anything else bye

Thanks for the feedback!

Yes, consecutive knockbacks will sometimes throw you in incorrect directions at the moment. It is fixed in the new version.

Also, Nodachi is rather weak and has a mediocre stamina regeneration. I'll balance it more if I see it being overpowered or underpowered.

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EDIT: Update!

Version 0.77h

[TD]

• InstaKill Setting
  • You can enable this setting for Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch and Duel Arena
  • With this setting all players spawn with a sword that kills in one hit
  • Make good use of defend and evade those attacks!
• Fixed a bug that caused computer players to have heroes and items
• Fixed knockback systems
  • You will no longer be occasionally thrown into the wrong direction

[/TD]

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

Hey Kita... You could use some screenshot updating =]

 

[Kitabatake]

Hey Kita... You could use some screenshot updating =]

True.
If you got any good ones, feel free to send them to me via your hive album or pastebin!

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

About the Nodachi... It isn't very cheap, so I think it is fine, maybe should be slightly weaker. When compared to etc. Great Sword, they are kinda equal in power, but Nodachi is more expensive. Leave it as it is. If you really want to weaken it, reduce damage by 1, maximum 2.

My idea:
Replace Tumble.
It is really not effective. Make it more powerful by increasing distance, or replace it.
Idea for new ability:
Hide
|
|-Fades over time depending on level 1-0.7-0.3
|-Drains mana
|-Not invulnerable, only invisible

It would be very effective for the InstaKill.

Maybe you could use Tumble in co-op and duel, but use Hide in other modes.

 

[HammerFist132]

I have found bug, i hate to write once more time. I have send you message. When u upgrade spells very fast u can upgrade twice for only one point so at the begin you can have spell upgraded 4 times for only two points. That make game easier fix it xD. Can i suggest you to add some level in boss mode for every few versions. Can i get my first rep for this bug info xd

 

[HammerFist132]

I FORGOT TO SAY I LOVE THIS MAP. Great job

 

[Kitabatake]

I have found bug, i hate to write once more time. I have send you message. When u upgrade spells very fast u can upgrade twice for only one point so at the begin you can have spell upgraded 4 times for only two points. That make game easier fix it xD.

That bug was already fixed in version 0.76 but thanks for the feedback!

Can i suggest you to add some level in boss mode for every few versions. Can i get my first rep for this bug info xd

Yes I'm planning to add more bosses and stages in later updates.

About the Nodachi... It isn't very cheap, so I think it is fine, maybe should be slightly weaker. When compared to etc. Great Sword, they are kinda equal in power, but Nodachi is more expensive. Leave it as it is. If you really want to weaken it, reduce damage by 1, maximum 2.

True true.

My idea:
Replace Tumble.
It is really not effective. Make it more powerful by increasing distance, or replace it.
Idea for new ability:
Hide
|
|-Fades over time depending on level 1-0.7-0.3
|-Drains mana
|-Not invulnerable, only invisible

It would be very effective for the InstaKill.

Maybe you could use Tumble in co-op and duel, but use Hide in other modes.

Stealth is in consideration.
Thanks for the suggestions!

 

[HammerFist132]

Kitabatake u are veteran here and i have one question. When i upload map will it show instant or it will take one day to moderators test it look for bugs? I have upload one map but it doesnt show.

 

[HammerFist132]

and what means when map is pending

 

[HammerFist132]

I would rate it 5/5 ofc and i will but i am here member only 2 days xD

 

[Kitabatake]

Kitabatake u are veteran here and i have one question. When i upload map will it show instant or it will take one day to moderators test it look for bugs? I have upload one map but it doesnt show.
and what means when map is pending
I would rate it 5/5 ofc and i will but i am here member only 2 days xD

When you upload a map it goes to the pending section until a moderator approves or rejects it.

If you have more forum related questions, ask them on the off topic forums or PM a moderator.
This thread is meant for discussion/questions/suggestions regarding the BnG II map.

 

[clockwork2]

Tumble isn't very useful, Lunge can make a suitable makeshift tumble, deals damage too.

 

[Arcisal]

You are a god at these kind of things.

Absolutely love your map.

 

[Lazers]

Love this map

Three complaints: Nodachi damage radius is obscene, it's practically a sniper rifle in sword form

Tumble doesn't seem very useful

The Boss mode feels too "spammy", it would be cool if you could get fewer, more challenging enemies instead of 50 footsoldiers and 10 champions spawning on top of you

 

[Kitabatake]

Tumble isn't very useful, Lunge can make a suitable makeshift tumble, deals damage too.

Tumble doesn't seem very useful

Tumble is pretty much the only ability that can save you when you are very low on both stamina and health, and the enemy is trying to use power slam at you or if you find yourself outnumbered.
Lunge cannot do this since it has a shorter range and a much higher stamina cost.

But hmm yes, I need to do some fixes to the ability.
The health drain is not a good penalty for it, but there needs to be something that prevents massive abuse. (In early versions people could just spam tumble and escape forever)
I don't like the idea of adding a cooldown to it either since sometimes you just have to tumble twice or thrice in a quick succession to evade a very nasty situation.

If any of you has got ideas for this, let me know!

Love this map

Three complaints: Nodachi damage radius is obscene, it's practically a sniper rifle in sword form

That's the whole point of Nodachi.
I will reduce it's damage and/or stamina value if it proves to be overpowered.

Also, I would like to hear what are people's favorite and least favorite weapons and armor. Post here and let me know!
(I need to know which weapons are good and which need improvements)

The Boss mode feels too "spammy", it would be cool if you could get fewer, more challenging enemies instead of 50 footsoldiers and 10 champions spawning on top of you

Hmm. Good point.
I have been thinking that fewer enemies with slightly improved AI would make the mode much more tactical and less of a "hit and run" game type...​

Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated!

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

Well, in my opinion, different weapons are great for different modes. For example, I use Bloodlotus in Duel Arena, because I know it won't take too long to kill my enemy or get killed. On the other hand, Claymore is an excellent choice for me when I solo Boss Mode. Also, don't really like Nodachi, for it really lacks damage.

@Kitabake:
It seems you ran out of ideas. So here is a good one:
Although there is nothing wrong with your terrain (it is great, actually), it seems to me that it simply... doesn't fit with the rest of the map. Almost your whole map, except terrain, is very Japan-oriented. Weapons, armors, creeps... So, if you are interested, I would like to try to re-terrain it and make it look more like Japan. I have a really good idea about what I could do.

 

[Kitabatake]

Well, in my opinion, different weapons are great for different modes. For example, I use Bloodlotus in Duel Arena, because I know it won't take too long to kill my enemy or get killed. On the other hand, Claymore is an excellent choice for me when I solo Boss Mode. Also, don't really like Nodachi, for it really lacks damage.

Ah, interesting.
Most people are afraid to use the Blood Lotus due to the risks it brings.
How about armor? Which do you use frequently? Why? Which do you avoid? Why?

@Kitabake:
It seems you ran out of ideas. So here is a good one:
Although there is nothing wrong with your terrain (it is great, actually), it seems to me that it simply... doesn't fit with the rest of the map. Almost your whole map, except terrain, is very Japan-oriented. Weapons, armors, creeps... So, if you are interested, I would like to try to re-terrain it and make it look more like Japan. I have a really good idea about what I could do.

Thanks for the offer but re-terraining is not one of my top priorities at the moment.

 

[clockwork2]

Hrrm, I find the limping system to be unique, it gives this game something different.
I also find that in single player(The AI did not much to help, rather it ATTACKED me). The commander is HEAVILY overpowered, I'm guessing this is a boss. However it's slam is so powerful that it insta killed an AI player.

 

[TheDownloader]

This is The Best Map if


________________

It is AI




NEXT TIME MAKE THIS AI



Ill rate it 5/5











___________________________




TheDownloader

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

About the armors...
In Duel Arena, my choice is always the Eclipse Curiass (don't know if I spelled it correct :/ ). Although it does reduce movement speed massively, I look at it the same way I look at the Bloodlotus: powerful item that comes with a price. I pay the price for Bloodlotus with Drink, and the price for Eclipse Curiass with Sprint.
In Co-op mode, I prefer using Crimson Yoroi. I know that if I take damage, I will take massive damage, so I prefer not to bleed and limp after it. Crimson Yoroi is best for that.

Another thing:
In co-op mode, there is a... well, not a bug, but certainly something that could use fixing. When Marksman shoots out an arrow, it isn't facing his direction, it is facing 0 degrees, I think. It really looks weird. An arrow that has just been fired turns around. I think that this could be fixed very easily.

 

[Kitabatake]

Update!

Version 0.78d

[TD]

• Boss Difficulty reworked
  • Enemy health now increases percentually.
• New sword implemented:
  • Viking Sword
• Throwing weapons implemented:
  • Kunai
  • Shuriken
• Fixed existing weapons
  • Greatsword damage increased 16 -> 17
  • Katana damage fixed 10 -> 12
  • Claymore mana bonus capped to 15 per sec (equivalent of 5 simultaneous enemies)
• Projectile systems improved
• Arrows, Kunai and Shuriken now stick to their targets temporarily
• AI marksmen now have quivers
• Fixed a bug that caused a Boss Mode round to start if the game was reset by player 1 shortly beforehand
• Fixed a Bug that caused players not to be able to use lunge or tumble in a certain part of deathmatch arena

[/TD]

Throwing weapons have now made their first step into the game!
I'll probably have a separate merchant for throwing weapons in the next update. (Now throwing weapons are bought from sword merchant)

Also, now arrows, shurikens and other projectiles stick to their targets.
This is a feature you may be familiar with from games like Oblivion or Mount&Blade.

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Hrrm, I find the limping system to be unique, it gives this game something different.

That's nice to hear!

I also find that in single player(The AI did not much to help, rather it ATTACKED me). The commander is HEAVILY overpowered, I'm guessing this is a boss. However it's slam is so powerful that it insta killed an AI player.

You already reported this bug and the faulty AI players were removed in the previous update. Thanks for the input anyway!

Also, yes, the commanders are sort of mini-bosses.

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This is The Best Map if


________________

It is AI




NEXT TIME MAKE THIS AI



Ill rate it 5/5

AI players are a planned feature.

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About the armors...
In Duel Arena, my choice is always the Eclipse Curiass (don't know if I spelled it correct :/ ). Although it does reduce movement speed massively, I look at it the same way I look at the Bloodlotus: powerful item that comes with a price. I pay the price for Bloodlotus with Drink, and the price for Eclipse Curiass with Sprint.
In Co-op mode, I prefer using Crimson Yoroi. I know that if I take damage, I will take massive damage, so I prefer not to bleed and limp after it. Crimson Yoroi is best for that.

Ah, thanks for the feedback!

Another thing:
In co-op mode, there is a... well, not a bug, but certainly something that could use fixing. When Marksman shoots out an arrow, it isn't facing his direction, it is facing 0 degrees, I think. It really looks weird. An arrow that has just been fired turns around. I think that this could be fixed very easily.

Huh? I haven't seen this myself. The arrows are created facing the correct direction.

Does this happen all the time for you?
Does the arrow move to the direction it is facing?
Are you running Warcraft III with highest settings?
Does the bug happen in the newest version of the map?

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

Originally Posted by clockwork2
I also find that in single player(The AI did not much to help, rather it ATTACKED me). The commander is HEAVILY overpowered, I'm guessing this is a boss. However it's slam is so powerful that it insta killed an AI player.

Slam killed him because he had no armor. And it is not too strong, all you need to do is evade it.

 

[HammerFist132]

Kita nice update. Can you give me unprotected version to make Ai version. Ofc if you think to i can do it. I can easily make AI for deathmatch for start. If you think to you can trust me i will do best from myself, if you think to i need to learn more nvm.

 

[TheDownloader]

is it AI Now??





http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/customavatars/avatar216548_5.gif

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

no, not yet

 

[HammerFist132]

I have rate it finally 5/5

 

[clockwork2]

Wooot!!!i am sooo using the kunai!!!!
Maybe tumble makes players dizzy?
dizzy will make a player's screen somewhat become foggy or sparkle every now and then?

 

[Kitabatake]

Update!

Version 0.79c

[TD]

• Fixed a bug that caused merchants in Battle Zone to not work after resetting or restarting the game under certain conditions.
• Fixed a pathing bug in deathmatch area that caused players to teleport in certain places when being knocked back.
• Throwing weapons balanced
  • Kunai cooldown increased and speed reduced
  • Shuriken speed and damage increased
• Minor bug fixes and improvements
  

[/TD]

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Kita nice update. Can you give me unprotected version to make Ai version. Ofc if you think to i can do it. I can easily make AI for deathmatch for start. If you think to you can trust me i will do best from myself, if you think to i need to learn more nvm.

Thanks for the offer but since the AI must be integrated into my custom combat systems it would be too much of a hassle to request someone else to make it.

Wooot!!!i am sooo using the kunai!!!!
Maybe tumble makes players dizzy?
dizzy will make a player's screen somewhat become foggy or sparkle every now and then?

Thanks for the suggestion!
However, foggy or sparkly screen doesn't really prevent a player from abusing the skill for an infinite escape so there should be something more to it...
Got any ideas?

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

Making the screen fogy is not a bad idea... Made me thinking...

Maybe this:
After you cast tumble, your movement speed is reduced for few seconds. If you use it more than, for example, 5 times in 5 seconds, you get stunned. It will effectively keep people from spamming with it.

 

[clockwork2]

hrrmm... good idea.

 

[Kitabatake]

Making the screen fogy is not a bad idea... Made me thinking...

Maybe this:
After you cast tumble, your movement speed is reduced for few seconds. If you use it more than, for example, 5 times in 5 seconds, you get stunned. It will effectively keep people from spamming with it.

Hmm good suggestion!
I'll put something like that to the next version of the map.

 

[Khanh]

I believe that you should slightly reduce Tumble range, disable control for a short period of time after tumbling 'cause the unit have to stand up. Besides, in real swordfights, such kind of move require great force so fighters can't jump when taking blows or when they were weakened by wounds.

 

[Khanh]

I can see that Tumble is balanced overall except one thing: Between two times of Tumbling (consecutively), the second one is slower, or not as far as the first, due to inertia; so as the next one, too. After all, moving by tumbling can't be faster than running.

 

[Kitabatake]

Update!

Version 0.80d

[TD]

• Disembowelment debuff
  • Slashing a stumbling enemy from the front will now cause disembowelment
  • Effects: Forced limping until death, Health drain, Stamina drain
  • Custom disembowelment special effect on the character model!
• Impale debuff
  • Using Lunge on a stumbling enemy will cause impalement
  • Effects: Health drain, Movement speed penalty
  • Custom impalement special effect on the character model!
• Tumble no longer costs health
  • Repeated Tumble will now cause you to stumble instead

[/TD]

In order to disembowel an enemy you need to be very close to him and then kick and instantly slash. If you are too slow or the enemy is facing away it will fail.
Impale works the same way except you need to use lunge instead of slash.
Both debuffs stack on each other.

Also, you don't have to only use kick.
Power slams, interrupts and deflecting a lunge or slash with defend will all result in a momentary stumble for the enemy.

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I can see that Tumble is balanced overall except one thing: Between two times of Tumbling (consecutively), the second one is slower, or not as far as the first, due to inertia; so as the next one, too. After all, moving by tumbling can't be faster than running.

Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Tumble = Stumble.
Lol it sounds funny.

I think combos would be awesome.
Like something called "Blade Fury"?
If 3 or more strikes successfully hit your enemy, you release a volley of slashes on the enemy.
Also, maybe something like "Blade Lunge"
Its basically Lunge + Slash. Its a Lunge and would be slashing.

 

[Kitabatake]

Tumble = Stumble.
Lol it sounds funny.

I think combos would be awesome.
Like something called "Blade Fury"?
If 3 or more strikes successfully hit your enemy, you release a volley of slashes on the enemy.
Also, maybe something like "Blade Lunge"
Its basically Lunge + Slash. Its a Lunge and would be slashing.

You can already combo all the abilities you have in any way you fancy.
That's the point of the custom combat systems.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

By combos I meant like say, the speed of a Slash is say, .7 seconds. Then, you cast Slash 2 times. After this, maybe your next slashes could have a speed of .2 seconds.

Or, you are on Defend mode. Then you Slash. This would make the damage lower.

 

[Kitabatake]

By combos I meant like say, the speed of a Slash is say, .7 seconds. Then, you cast Slash 2 times. After this, maybe your next slashes could have a speed of .2 seconds.

Or, you are on Defend mode. Then you Slash. This would make the damage lower.

Hmm yes there's some potential in that idea.
I'll need to think about it!

 

[clockwork2]

I dunno, faster slashes could cause potential lag. If they stack that is. Example:
Player 1 causes slash combo two times, slash speed was already 0.2
his slash speed would be so quick the player could slash a opponent with impunity.

 

[Its Ryan Boi]

Very nice. I only recently decided to test this map out. Always saw it sitting there. Without me clicking it. You've done a good job.

4.5/5 Great job... Guess I'll just make it 5?

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

@clockwork2

Ok, lets make is 5 consecutive slashes.

It wouldnt lag.
Check Makers "Lightning Speed Laceration" spell.
Anims move hellishly fast, but zero lag.

 

[clockwork2]

oh...srry man.

How's this for a sword?

Vampire rapier.
Takes opponents life for every successful impalement.
Leeches life from wielder for every slash.
Inflicts vampire curse.
Vampire curse makes drink regen less health, but also increases max health.

Not a good idea?

 

[Kitabatake]

I dunno, faster slashes could cause potential lag. If they stack that is. Example: Player 1 causes slash combo two times, slash speed was already 0.2 his slash speed would be so quick the player could slash a opponent with impunity.

@clockwork2 Ok, lets make is 5 consecutive slashes. It wouldnt lag. Check Makers "Lightning Speed Laceration" spell. Anims move hellishly fast, but zero lag.

In this case lag is not a problem.
Also, the speed is not a problem either since slash doesn't stun the enemy so the opponent could just defend to instantly stop the slashes.
And of course there would be a limit to how fast the slash speed could go anyway.

Hmm perhaps I'll add this kind of feature for the next version...

Very nice. I only recently decided to test this map out. Always saw it sitting there. Without me clicking it. You've done a good job.

4.5/5 Great job... Guess I'll just make it 5?

That's very nice to hear!

oh...srry man.

How's this for a sword?

Vampire rapier.
Takes opponents life for every successful impalement.
Leeches life from wielder for every slash.
Inflicts vampire curse.
Vampire curse makes drink regen less health, but also increases max health.

Not a good idea?

Hmm, I'll think about it.

 

[clockwork2]

ok then!

 

[ironymon]

Many great ideas Sorry i haven't been so active lately, lots going on atm... i'll join the fun as soon as i can

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

Guy, this map rocks!
It is just imba cool and awesome!
It is the fist ond the only arena I liked while playing WC and SC for 8~ years already!
Everything is made perfect!
5/5

 

[clockwork2]

Lovely map, it is soo much fun to play*even alone, T.T* and is much better then the original one.

Also maybe a dungeon crawler mode?

 

[Kitabatake]

Many great ideas Sorry i haven't been so active lately, lots going on atm... i'll join the fun as soon as i can

No problem! I don't expect beta testers to spend all their free time 24/7 playing the map
Play the map and give me bug reports and suggestions once you have time again!

Guy, this map rocks!
It is just imba cool and awesome!
It is the fist ond the only arena I liked while playing WC and SC for 8~ years already!
Everything is made perfect!
5/5

That's very nice to hear!

Lovely map, it is soo much fun to play*even alone, T.T* and is much better then the original one.

Also maybe a dungeon crawler mode?

Perhaps. I haven't made a solid decision on the next game mode yet.

At the moment I'm working on the much requested save/load systems.
In the upcoming version you'll be able to earn ranks by playing the game and you will always be able to continue your progress by using a short save/load code the next time you join the map.