Beyond the Throne: Tides of Darkness

[Mechanical Man]

Well, since the last tier is fought with advanced units, it will be much harder to soloing with heroes. Also having limit of 1 of them, that will surely not have a huge impact, although they should be able to turn the tide of the battles. Maybe (if they are levelable) you could reduce the amount of levels, or making less improved when gaining a level.

 

[Kam]

So assuming I put heroes back in, what would they be for each race? I would like something that was in WC II. I can use some of the hero spells from the previous version, but which ones did you like?

 

[Hunters.moon]

i have a suggestion
add some more custom units or just add a new map to play on, this gets kinda boring after a while

 

[Kam]

I was thinking about a barrens map for four players, I like the desert theme and I think it would suit a smaller map. The only unit change would be that the giant sea turtle would be green instead of blue.

 

[Ham Ham]

Well, I played the new version, and I have noticed some "bugs" with AI.

1 - The AI players takes loots of times to attack, also, theyr first waves are composed of nothing more than one footman/grunt =/
2 - The attacking waves are overrruned by boats, but almost no ground force.
3 - They leave the base completely unprotected. Force the AI to build some towers.


Keep up the good work /o

 

[Kam]

Yes that's a problem though, I can't do AI. My friend who was can no longer work on WC so I need to find someone to help.

 

[Ham Ham]

If this AI wasnt created by Jass, (if it was created by AI Editor) I can help you.

 

[Kam]

I'm afraid it uses vjass, but if you think you could do a completely new AI it would still be great. =)

 

[Gasekura]

I think what would be neat are say heroes that are essentially normal units, that start out as powerful as a footman or grunt, and sloooowly increase in power as they level. spread out the abilities too, maybe a new one at every odd level instead of every level, to keep them from being overpowered.

Hero Ideas -
Human -
Paladin Zealot - melee fighter/caster that has comprable stats with other fighter/casters (paladin/ogremagi) but has more powerful spell abilities.
Archmagi - Similar to the Paladin Zealot in that its a stronger than average version of the mage. Maybe have certain spells last longer or be more powerful.

Orc -
Warlock - Maybe have some spells to summon demons or sacrifice units for benefits.

If I can think of any others I'll edit this post.

 

[Kam]

That's actually a great idea, I'll start some ideas of my own.

 

[dxlr8r]

Sharing?

Hello. Very nice work. Care to share some units with me/us?

- Giant Sea Turtle
- Gnomish Submarine
- Troll Destroyer

? Would be very nice

 

[Anachron]

Increase the size of the Palizade.

 

[Kam]

Hm do you mean the model size or the actual space that it blocks?

@ dxlr8r - I got the sea turtle and the sub from a open .mpq and a modeling site, so sure for those. The destroyer was a request from the WC 2nd gen crew, so I don't think I should give that one out.

Goblin War Turtle - Phoenix IV
Gnomish Submarine - Xaran Alamas

 

[Anachron]

Yes the size it blocks or the size of the model itself, you can chose.

 

[Kam]

I will increase the model size.
Also I am looking for a map design that would balance naval and ground combat, as the map I use now is really just designed for naval combat.

 

[Anachron]

What do you think of my terrain??
( Click on the signature to get to the forum and then to map ).

 

[Kam]

It looks good, the detail is nice but it may prove too complicated for a simple melee.

 

[Anachron]

Its not melee its a paintball map

 

[Kam]

Heh I got that. So I went ahead and make quite a few changes, I attached a picture of the new map.

 

[Anachron]

Umm I am at my girlfriend so I can't that much, I will be there at her for a half week now. Hf

 

[Hawkwing]

This looks great but from the current screenies the terrain dosen't look so good. If it has been updated since then update the screenies..

If you haven't I might be able to do some terraining for it.

 

[Ham Ham]

Okay, it is just a sugestion:

Why not add EPIC battles to your map?


Reduce the infantry and cavalary units cost, build time, scaling size, and combat properties by 50%

 

[Kam]

Lag is the main issue with b-net, and it already lags sometimes.

I completely redid the terrain, heres the over-view:

 

[Hawkwing]

That looks so much better. The ice didn't suite Wc2 really.

 

[Hawkwing]

Dude this is awsome! I hosted it on Battle.Net and everyone loved it. There was no long and a lot of competition. A few things I noticed.

1. Add heroes. Here are my ideas.
Human:
Justicar (Like Paladin but hero)
Archmage
Ranger
Mountain King

Orc:
Far Seer
Ogre Lord
Forest Troll Warlord
Battlemaster

(Everyone was begging for heroes)

2. Make a new Death Knight model. I could hardly call that a Death Knight. A short horse riding orc?

3. This is a big complicated but make the palisade's and the wall's pathing smaller make it cost less and less building time. So you can have the walls actually touching eachother.

4. Change the Troll Berth model. It looks like a hut that got hit by a tidal wave.

5. Change the foundary models as well. They are just land models in the water. Maybe add some piers and such coming off of them.

6. And of course, if you add heroes add about 4 more large islands with creeps on them to level your hero up at.

 

[Kam]

I'm glad you liked it. 3.8 will address many of the things you mentioned.

The Berth, foundries, and Death Knight models will be the same. I have yet to see any suitable custom models that are not enormous in terms of kb.

I would like to have the wall models be more, well, wallish. However, increasing the size in WE won't cut it. I would need new models, and for whatever reason no one has ever done the wc2 wall models.

The heroes will not be typical heroes. They will be some sort of ground unit meant to fight naval units, although I'm not sure yet.

 

[Kam]

Hey just letting everyone know this isn't dead, I'm waiting for a couple people to finish some stuff.

 

[Supermj]

sweet. what kinda stuff?

 

[Kam]

Well I had someone doing AI and anther person doing the wc2 wall models, but I have not heard from them in weeks.

If anyone can help with the wall models I'd appreciate it.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/showthread.php?p=690835#post690835

 

[Lestat(br)]

Orc Wall 66%

Here I am!
The orc wall is almost done. I started doing it one hour ago.
I'm not sure where will I put the teamcolor. In War II it has no teamcolor...I don't think it needs a teamcolor, it is completely inert. The Team Color looks crappy, I can't do layers to it, I don't have a good program to do so, and either I know how to.
I'm attaching you a screenshot of what I have so far, with a square team color ring.
Please tell me you didn't give up in these 7 days of waiting for answers! xD


Sorry, I know it looks a bit crappy, if you don't use it, no problem.
When you put one together with another, you will see it gives almost the 'tile effect' of wc2.

 

[Kam]

That looks great. What is the kb size right now, it needs to be fairly small.

But yes, please go ahead and do the animation. And are those blizzard skins? If they aren't I'd prefer you used ingame skins to keep the size down.

 

[Lestat(br)]

every texture used is inside the war3.mpq.

 

[Kam]

Ah I can't wait to see the results, haven't been this excited about wc3 in awhile.

 

[Anachron]

Wooow that looks really great.

 

[GolemEyes]

Wow looks amazing, reminds me of when I was a kid playing wc2, have you considered using the other Troll Lumber mill? The version that was uploaded to Hive awhile ago was more like the original than the one your using (though the one you've got still looks great). I don't know how many KBs it is but if you can't find it I can send it to you (I am not the original creater mind).

 

[Kam]

Yes I was using that one for awhile, I didn't like the base of the model - I thought this one looked better.

Those were the better days eh?

 

[Kam]

The new update is all ready, I just have to wait for Vexorian to fix vjass with the new patch. =)

 

[Far Aldazar Din]

Wow, seems interesting. I might try.

 

[Malvodion]

If someone want to play with me I made a Orcs and Humans: Tides of Darkness Hamachi network.

orchumantod
123456

 

[Kam]

I'll have time after Wednesday, I work right now but that's my last day. =)

 

[Gausslander]

Have you implemented a working AI yet?

EDIT: If you have, could you please PM me?

 

[Kam]

No I haven't and I can't do AI so unless I can get someone to actually do it I'm afraid there will never be AI.

Some screens of the next versions unit lineup:

 

[RogueVtern]

I love this map because back when I was a kid I would always play wc2 . But I lost the disc...But thanks to you I can play something that is almost like it.

Any who I hope you get AI for the map.

 

[Malvodion]

I realy want to play the new version with someone....

 

[RogueVtern]

Whats the progess on your work Kam?

 

[Kam]

It's done, let me know what you think.

 

[RogueVtern]

Oh sweet Ill start playing it right away.

 

[Kam]

Anyone have any feedback on the new map? I'm curious to what you all thought of the changes.

 

[punwisp]

Orcs and humans? You do realize both wc2 and warcraft had very different themes?
Warcraft had just humans and orcs, warcraft 2 had mixed variety of races.

Btw are ogres back? With the ogre magi upgrade =)! Does AI work?

Btw.... They didnt have tanks... why are there tanks? lol

 

[Kam]

This is based on Wc 2, 3 and my own ideas. Many of the wc2 units are here in full force, but there are also many of my own creations such as the blaster and apprentice.

Ogres are back with the upgrade, there are screenshots of all the units in the OP.
AI is not included, that is the one thing I can't do.