Audio Section

[brad.dude03]

Yes, but any noob with the slightest bit of common sense will want to do a good job, not follow the fastest tutorial. Mine shows the most nooby of noobs how exactly to do an excellent job modifying the compression settings to maximize file quality and minimize file size.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

That's what mine does >.<

Keeps quality, and something like fifths the size...

 

[Samuraid]

That's what mine does >.<

Keeps quality, and something like fifths the size...

The good:
Your tutorial is short and to the point.

The bad:
You are using Bitmaps in your tutorial.

The Ugly: (and ALL of you made this mistake)
You are recompressing MP3 and WMA files!

Seriously folks, you are asking for terrible results by doing that. Try grabbing an original WAV or AIFF file (from a CD you own...hint...hint ) and compressing that.

(also) WMA is a much more efficient codec than MP3, so I'm going to hazard a guess that Brad.Dude's result probably came out the best, assuming the source files all had similar bitrates.

 

[brad.dude03]

Probably not, since my audio was 256K bitrate pre-compression.

 

[Samuraid]

Probably not, since my audio was 256K bitrate pre-compression.

In that case, there shouldn't be too much of a problem, then.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

A sound database would be good if it was restricted to solely user-created unit-sounds and user created fantasy music that would fit as background music in a wc3 map. Not your latest guitar solo etc.

 

[Rui]

Like operator said at the beginning of this topic, the moderation would have to be restricted, and it would require moderators to download and listen to the sound.
A sound section would make people's lives so much easier. For example, I have been searching for Warcraft II music for quite a while, but all the sites yell that I must sign in or pay. If Warcraft III music can be exported, why can't Warcraft II music?

 

[madcat2]

Well i own warcraft 2 but it'd be illegal for me to upload the music though .

 

[Rui]

The only thing I'd like to know is how to get it in .mp3 format.
After extracting it from the Wc2 MPQ it just comes out as an unknown file type (well, it's not supposed to be opened with a MPQ application I guess, since all the files there are unknown).

 

[madcat2]

Well warcraft 2 is older so it wouldn't work with a war3 mpq, you would need one that can work with the old as dirt files of war2.

 

[idodik]

Sounds & Music Corner

Greetings Empire,

An offer, I have.
Since you have made the map of "Black Panther", and did it with casting, I was wondering why shouldn't there be a nice corner for:
-Sounds
-Sound Packs and Scemes
-Music
...just like there is one for models, skins & icons.
It would be configured, and Hive admins would filter and review all the resources that are offered, just like they do with the rest.
It's just an offer, I just thought about it because I think it would make Warcraft even more customized than we make it now, and that many would enjoy it.
I hope you consider it, and if not - at least write what is the problem.
We've got nothin to lose.

Thank you, Empire.

 

[Bob27]

A sound section has been discussed before, and it has been agreed that most of the stuff uploaded will be illegal and ripped from games anyway, and would have to be removed.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

If you want to show forth your music go to Newgrounds.com &mdash; Everything, By Everyone - If you want to showcase your sounds, upload them at some free-sounds site. All these things can also just be done by attaching the stuff in the sound/music forum, which can always use more life.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, sorry, but we don't have enough music developers here to make it worth while, and a Resource Section would only result in people uploading copyright audio.

However, if you do want to showcase anything you've made, or request voice actors, you can check out the Sound Art forum here on The Hive.

 

[Thorneon]

Sound section

Ive been thinking about this for a while and finally think it needs to be put out there. We need a resource section for SOUNDs!
Sounds, both voice acting and sfx are a huge part of a good map. Cinematics are made much better when utilizing voice acting.
Custom Games that have sfx for events and whatnot are much more fun to play.
If you think that we should have a sound section, please post here on why, or if you don't, why not.

 

[Pyritie]

It's come up before several times. It's not going to happen because people will just upload sounds from other games and stuff. A sound's authenticity is harder to get than, say, a model's.

 

[Hawkwing]

Also, it might be awhile for us to establish a good moderation team for the section.

 

[Nichita_00]

But, for example I don't know where to get custom sounds. I'm not a good searcher, tried on google several times. I think it would be welcome, especially if we had a 'preview' of the sound.

 

[nastyboy_44]

Seconded, I dont know where i would post the gunshot sound set. If you are looking for a good moderation team, evaluate at the sound section.

 

[Pyritie]

You could just post them in the sound/music forum you know. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Linaze]

Well, like Pyritie said, there would be too many game rips etc. in such a section. And knowing where all sounds are coming from etc. would be near impossible for the moderators there.

 

[Qab]

Well, i came across this post looking to see if I had to make this. I am always limited to normal sound sets for characters.

It's not going to happen because people will just upload sounds from other games and stuff. A sound's authenticity is harder to get than, say, a model's.

Well, two things,
One: Maybe we might need quotes from characters in other games/movies
Two: Code of Honor, 'nough said

 

[Hawkwing]

Well, two things from me too.
One: Avoid necroposting. It's against the site rules, which you might want to check out.
Two: As much as what you say is true, that's stealing.

 

[Lost_Cloud]

A new download?

I've been wanting some good audio for some of my maps like scary audio for my Murder at the mansion or epic msuic for my orpg but you only get a choice from the warcraft 3 selections so maybe we could have a new area where we could make submit and download soundtracks =D

I thinks its a good idea plus it would definetly make a better change than listening to the same old music again and again if instead we could listen to rock music while playing a td =)

 

[Dr Super Good]

The whole problem is copywrite and moderation.
This idea has beeen sujested like 100 times already.

 

[Ralle]

Yes it has been suggested before.
Yes it is a good idea.
It would be easy to moderate because you can just press "play" and push yes/no.
Copyright would be hard to follow because there are sooo many sounds.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The problem with moderation is not actually doing it, it is being good at doing it. As there are millions of songs and sounds, it is hard to tell if any are stolen.

A sound could be lifted directly from a game no one plays or a song no one listens to and then be claimed as ones own. How can you tell if you can not find the source.

 

[Ralle]

Maybe like this:
You can only submit soundsets.
You have to record a test sound where you say "The Hive Workshop" and then attach the rest of your sounds, so we compare the test with the sounds.

 

[Lost_Cloud]

=P its just that having sounds would be so much better or maybe just better ambient music? in any case the warcraft 3 soundtrack is lame after listening to it once so maybe we could find a way somehow? or maybe make a tool which makes music from the hive and is the only tool allowed to make music for this website? =) and all copyrights will go down to us =P

 

[Kuhneghetz]

There are lots of other places to find public domain sounds, music and ambients.

Google is your friend.

 

[Lost_Cloud]

good point =P but i think it would be cool to maybe make a tool with lots of premade sounds and music made by us so other people can make custom music at a compressed size for warcraft 3 =) it would give them more customization on the type of music they'd want =D good idea?

 

[Ralle]

It is a good idea.

But it is hard to implement and I don't want to make something like this at this time.

We have to make the other resource sections flow well first.

 

[Coolty44]

The problem with music is that everybody has a diffrent taste. I my house, I jam out to rock, my mom's calm with classic, my brother listens to heavy metal, and I've never heard my dad listen to music.

And thats just a 4 person house. With 3 mods, they'd have to have a deverse taste in music, willing to listen and consider whats been placed infront of them, and acually compare it to others to see if its been "done" before. And I doubt any grown man could listen to music made for battle and such for a long time without losing it

 

[Lost_Cloud]

its not about that its more of just making a better choice of soundtrack for the game not being able to jam out to your favourite tunes while playing an orpg...

its just more about creating ambients and making a music more to your liking without it being actual music just a compilation of sounds which you then put together to make either an ambience or music set for your map... get the drift?

 

[Coolty44]

But how do you judge the music? That's the question. Are you going to judge based on your thoughts? How it flows? The melody? It's so hard to judge music to a point were people can agree that its acually good or not is nearly impossible. Alot of music critiques get a reputation for saying a good song is bad and vis versa, that nobody wants them anymore, which is what will probably happen

 

[Lost_Cloud]

well i'll judge them =) i know exactly what im looking for im looking for music that will work in warcraft 3 at an appropriate size with good quality if possible as well =D that is also appropriate ingame so it isn't like an eminem song.. thats for sure =).

And plus we could use minimod as well trust me as long as we put a lil effort in we could see some gr8 ambience or music in future maps =)

 

[rover2341]

I Have created a system for judging sound Bytes. I feel this system could allow for fast ratings, that are very useful when looking for sounds.
The Moderator Perhaps could turn off The (-2,-1) if they found the sound to be complete without a misleading name that they felt was not a copyright issue.

• -2 ,Clearly Stolen/Clearly a Copyright Issue
• -1 ,Incomplete Sound(The sound is cut off)/Misleading Name
• +0 ,Sound Byte is of poor sound quality
• +1 ,Sound Byte is of decent sound quality
• +2 ,Impressed With sound Byte

Sound Byte Name: Guy pretending to sound like a mad dog
Sound Byte Length: 7 sec
Intro/Ending: None
Loops Into Self: No
Music: No
By: Rover2341

Moderator Rating is 1
Average User Rating is 1.6


Notes: Not Intended, to sound like a Real Dog, Intended to be sound of a guy pretending to sound like a dog.
Some uses could be used when someone gets mad at someone, or is telling a story about a dog that got mad at him.

Personally I would say according to my system This would be a 0(If you thought sound quality was poor) or 1-2 depending you thought of it. I personally give it a 2.

 

[Lost_Cloud]

ye =D thats what i mean we could use that sort of system but without the -2 just 12345 =) but ye if we put it all together something will come out and eventually this might not be suck a bad idea =D wait a minute... this never was a bad idea -.- =)

 

[Hakeem]

Community moderation FTW. We probably wouldn't need a single moderator for this category. xD

 

[Pyritie]

I Have created a system for judging sound Bytes. I feel this system could allow for fast ratings, that are very useful when looking for sounds.

Lol, bytes

I think you'd need a better term than that ;P

 

[supertoinkz]

well, about wat Ralle said by saying THW while recording...

many jerks can easily modify sounds/musics just by using appropriate programs I won't say.

 

[HappyTauren]

Maybe like this:
You can only submit soundsets.
You have to record a test sound where you say "The Hive Workshop" and then attach the rest of your sounds, so we compare the test with the sounds.

No way, not at all. That'd defeat the purpose of MUSIC section, and barely few people would really use soundsets. I myself always turn them off in my maps, cause they're annoying.

Community moderation is the way to go. Basically, a moderator moderates music according to his own opinion, and tries to check out if it's stolen. If he doesn't succeed doing that, there are lots of users that have played lots of games and heard lots of bands and watched lots of movies, that could confirm it's stolen, then link an example.

However, remixing a track shouldn't be allowed, while recomposing it would, because that's what music is about today, sometimes two track sound a like cause they're recomposed version of each others, or use a single riff.

 

[Kuhneghetz]

So if I would make an 8-bit rendition/cover of an existing music from scratch for instance, that would be allowed?

And I think it should be forbidden to submit converted music (such as midi files played from GSXCC, which plays them in fake 8-bit style).
Why? It's pretty obvious when Person A converts a work made by Person B without Person B's awareness or permission.

 

[HappyTauren]

Not conversion, only recomposing would be allowed.

 

[Coolty44]

If this was passed, I'd say have a few mods that can investigate into it and see if its stolen or not, and then pass it off to the community to moderate. It would have a few bugs every once in awhile, with people downrating it, or making a sound thats very simaliar to another sound or somthing from another game, but that could be worked out between the mods.

 

[Pyritie]

We could always make it an invite-only system or otherwise only let users submit who we can trust. Although that might stunt growth.

 

[HappyTauren]

It could work very well, if THW gave "permissions" to real composers, actors and so on.

 

[Dentothor]

i think HappyTauren's idea could actually work. It would sort of be like Medivh's Tower, and only selected people (people who give in 3 or more sounds/music for an application) can post freely in that section. and anyone can view and download.

 

[rover2341]

I see your point, that if you were to allow only a few people to send in sounds. that you would have only decent sounds that are allowed. But to me that defeats the purpose of the hive. To me the hive is a place, for people who are brand new at making sounds/music or maps or models ect. To learn and improve.

But I guess if you allowed most anyone, then it might go to crap if too many submissions are ageist the rules. Then try it your way.

Lol, bytes

It was just the concept. If you guys went ahead with this, I was just putting something out there, I wouldn't except you to take what i had in its entirety or at all. I just wanted to be clear that it could be music and it could be a person speaking and it could be a sound effect.

 

[Joss]

Sounds great, but implementation could take a while.