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  • sebby
    Ummm im trying to play the Warsmash Engine for the first time but it crashes when im trying to open it. what is wrong?
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    Retera
    Retera
    But also I think the version of Warsmash available to download on Hive is significantly behind the code available on GitHub, maybe that should get updated.

    If you want to look for cause of crash, look for the Logs folder and inside there see the newest file named .err.log on the end.

    If it says something about not finding MPQ, then the issue might be those INI files.
    sebby
    sebby
    you should make a tutorial on how to setup this
    Retera
    Retera
    Sure. Some relevant materials exist:

    www.hiveworkshop.com

    Overview and Setup

    Overview and Setup This project attempts to be an open source remake of the game program portion of the Warcraft III game. You cannot play it without a Blizzard Warcraft III installation. You can get the current build here: Warsmash Mod Engine (Alpha) As noted on that page, for old 1.22-1.26ish...
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    Retera
    People were saying that the leaked dumped code for Warcraft 3 that makes it basically equivalent to open source is fake or something. I'm not too sure.

    I asked Claude Fable to build me a C++ game that looks like Warcraft 3 using some of the available materials. Found myself staring at booty bay, building an altar, training a paladin, and taking a creep camp. But it's some vibecoded C++ game

    What is this world we live in?
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    loktar
    loktar
    "I think the WC3 source code was leaked to me because I wasted money on Claude to generate a translation of Warsmash to C++" is what you're saying? How does that follow at all? Even if it was a perfect recreation of WC3, it still wouldn't be the actual source code...
    General Frank
    General Frank
    Retera, please get off from the AI copium and try to dotox.
    Retera
    Retera
    No @loktar both of them happened. But since last time I gave the AI the war3 code and not Warsmash it did a crappy job trying to recompile that (and this time it was blocked by "AI safety"), I hoped in this instance that a C++ port of Warsmash could possibly act as a basis for then getting the leaked war3 stuff to run on top of that
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    Azan1265
    Hi, I just want to ask you something, can you share the unit models you used for the Voidspawn?
    Retera
    Retera
    I think they were changed across versions. There was like a purple version and a green version. A few of the better ones are uploaded to my Hive profile and the rest are inside Heavens Fall MPQs probably. Is there a version in particular you want? All the models for the civilization were made by me in notepad back then (hence motivation for making Retera Model Studio or something XD) so citation should be easy since you can just say theyre modified Blizzard stuff made by me
    Azan1265
    Azan1265
    Honestly just a link or gallery of the Voidspawn units XD
    Retera
    Retera
    A visual gallery might be time consuming to make. Is it straightforward for you to go to Kam's "projects of old gather ye' resources" thread and download the hfmod.mpq from back then and browse it with a model editor in the "Units/Voidspawn" directory?
    Retera

    What's going on with WC3campaigns.net?

    Imagine if Ralle's port of the data finally goes live in 2025 as a christmas gift to all humanity, and when we all visit the page it's just an automatic redirect to Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up"
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    Sign up and post if you dare! AI has hallucinated me a whatsit: WC3 Forum — News
    deepstrasz
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    Patch 2.0.4 Regression - ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION

    Patch 2.0.4 (Build 23745) has introduced a hard AVX/SSE4 instruction requirement that prevents the game from launching on legacy hardware, including CPUs that are still within the officially listed Minimum System Requirements. The Evidence of Regression: The Minimum Spec Gap: Blizzard’s...
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    Jackige
    Hi there. I am a big fan of ttor mod which represents my childhood. Is it possible for you to release an updated version with the original author noted? Great thanks for your dedication!
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    Retera
    Retera
    Huh, so, I was able to hack TToR to run on Patch 1.28 but the AMAI computer opponents didn't work and I never got it work on any version newer than that. The easiest way to play TToR is to play it on the patch for which it was made.

    What version of the game are you using where you want to play this?

    Also, as a very big caveat to this, I am not affiliated with the original authors of TToR in any way and only hacked their thing to run on 1.28 as a sort of thought experiment back when 1.28 was live to see if we could keep mods running. Hive site rules says if authors are offline for a very long time we can edit their stuff, but I am not convinced the copyright laws of my country are as lenient. Have you tried reaching out to the original authors of TToR? I have some recollection that the version on my computer that I played was not the latest version they ever released, so my version updated for 1.28 might actually be an "out of date" version of TToR.
    Jackige
    Jackige
    I am playing classic 1.27b battle.net on Rubattlenet. The original author seems totally inactive these days though.
    Retera
    Retera
    Oh yeah. I don't know if AMAI will work on 1.27 but you can use the exploit @leandrotp posted to bring back the typecasting from patch 1.21 and get all of the TToR jass scripts to run fine on 1.27 so that you can play TToR on 1.27. Like I said it worked for me on 1.28 so that's definitely possible.
    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    Also, how come you removed (or hide?) your most recent YouTube video?
    Retera
    Retera
    It claimed that Microsoft couldn't program the game properly but after the video was made they programmed the game properly. I've no intention of being snide, I actually believed my criticism at the time I posted it, but it is no longer accurate.
    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    That's cool. A video about Microsoft/current Blizzard's pros in the near future xD?
    Retera
    Okay, so they pushed me to use Claude Code for my job and I went ahead and got the highest tier subscription outside work to play with, and after using it for a couple weeks this definitely seems like a doomsday device. This is not Mythos that people talk about, I was only using Opus 1M or whatever. i asked it to build a model editor like Retera Model Studio and it did, I asked it to remake a strategy game that I had been working on since 2013 given only a description of gameplay and the original art files and it did that. Then i asked it to make a game based on a Warcraft 3 map RPG that I created in the year 2004 or something, without providing it the original map -- just a description -- and it did. In fact, I then went on for a couple of evenings walking around in this imaginary world as my RPG characters where I would walk around the world, have a new idea for how the game should be, describe the new idea in English, continue playing while I wait for the AI to work, log out of the game, log back in and see that what I described had been invented and added to the game -- art and all.
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    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    I don't think it's necessarily directly pulling a dwarf and telescope mix from somewhere but rather knows n instances of telescopes and n instances of dwarves and puts one of each together.
    IronBladeClan
    IronBladeClan
    This thread is crazy 😲

    I'm just as worried about the job market as anyone, but, on a different note, if this can fix abandoned projects and stuff, then, I mean...I NEED
    Elprede
    Elprede
    Could you share videos or pictures of what Claude Code accomplished?
    bear_369
    Found this weird AI bot tinkering with Warsmash and wonder if it aligns with your "AI taking over software development' stuff.
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    Retera
    Retera
    I briefly saw this recently as well. It is very curious. I'm interested to maybe read through its changes and formulate some opinions on whether I like them, but I haven't had the time yet.

    Have you read through any of the actual code to see if it's good, or tried playing their version? It certainly leaves me interested in whether the person behind the AI bot has ulterior motives given that they seemingly wanted to change the project name to "OpenSnowstorm Warcraft 3" and are running other similar "OpenSnowstorm" projects.
    bear_369
    bear_369
    I tried playing their version but the startup failed after failing to buffer some data for LibGDX(or OpenGL) so I guess the person behind it ultimately vibecoded their way through without actually testing their own build.

    It's a shame really, the code changes look promising.
    deepstrasz

    Retera
    Retera
    is the second one an AI guy reading that or a human?
    Retera
    Retera
    Anyway, yeah, I know about all this. Had to research it for my upcoming YouTube video project (sneak preview below)

    deepstrasz
    As per your signature ramble. No one's censoring you if you're not breaking the site rules, namely being off-topic. If you want to discuss the Epstein files make a thread in Off-topic about it rather than insert your wacky theories in posts around the HIVE in threads about unrelated things.
    Thank you. Have a great day.
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    Footman16
    I second this. You're vague aspersions to us "making your posts disappear" is absolutely correct I deleted your replies and posts when you hijack people's threads to continue your conspiratorial and off-topic rants, Retera. You need to stop doing it, you know what you're doing and I don't believe for a second that you're not smart enough to know what you're doing. If you feel so strongly on these issues make your own threads but to be so selfish as to continuously hijack other people's threads to make it about yourself and your own project shows a gross disregard for others which is ironic considering the moral condemnation you cast on others.

    Consider this you being put on notice. I've been more than patient and fair but now any further rule breaches will result in a ban.
    SuperBRO
    My friend Retera, the RMS program you created has completely stopped working on my computer. It cannot read the Warcraft 3 Reforged resources (CASC) and keeps showing error messages on the screen saying an error has occurred. Please update your program.
    Retera
    Retera
    I think I missed this post, do you still have this issue?
    SuperBRO
    SuperBRO
    Hello my friend! Yes, you were very late to reply. I've already solved the problem with this program of yours. In short, I re-downloaded the game, moved it to another drive, opened it in the RMS program, and the problem was solved.
    Dominus15
    Master, it's me again. Could you please make a small change to one of your models, even if it's just for my map?
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    Dominus15
    Dominus15
    Thank you so much, maestro! I'll take care of the icon :), I'm testing the edit you made on my map right now :D
    Retera
    Retera
    Let me know how it goes, I had a computer with Retera Model Studio but not the game, and I did not actually test it in game. Am relying on my tools to be correct.
    Dominus15
    Dominus15
    I was able to test it in-game and everything works perfectly as I requested, but the more I looked at it, the more I realized that it was great the way it was before (I'm referring to the level 1 base model that didn't have the side columns). It would have only been necessary to increase the height of the base, just like you did now, but I feel like the side columns are unnecessary. Even so, you fulfilled my request and it looks great, and I'm very grateful for that. Maybe later I'll try removing those side columns myself :)
    Retera
    Does anybody wonder if some of the Hive users are secretly people like Samwise Didier who simply understand the consequences of internet identity and who will accordingly never admit that that's who they are? I never really think about that much.
    Retera
    Retera
    For me personally it would be really weird to find out someone like @deepstrasz was actually Rob Pardo or Frank Pearce or something. I just... wouldn't have expected it.
    Retera
    Retera
    I suppose the likelihood of this is greatly reduced, however, by the fact that as people who took part in authoring the original 2002 game, they have a strong sense that they could simply make another one. Sort of like the Stormgate conceit. I suppose that would dramatically reduce respect for people who want to live in the past and try to make custom content for a specific decades old game that had been put out.
    loktar
    Hey, sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if you could take a look at this MDL. I converted it from MDX with my tool, and it works in the model checker, but not in RMS. I fully compared my MDL output with what RMS shows for the original MDX, and I can't for the life of me find any differences.

    Of course feel free to ignore this if you don't feel like it :p
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    loktar
    loktar
    Hey, I just noticed your replies here (I was inactive by the time you posted them). At the moment, my parser has a RMS compatible option that writes SkinWeights without curly braces (I don't remember if writing empty VertexGroups is standard or if it only does that for RMS compatibility).
    Did you ever change the way RMS reads/writes MDL files in this regard?
    Retera
    Retera
    Doubt I changed it but wouldnt be against it, would be nice to support both ways and not have to worry
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    loktar
    Probably doesn't matter much though, people will usually (if not always) open the MDL only with notepad and the tool they saved it with.
    Retera
    What do you guys think: if I upload a 12 hour YouTube video intended to totally exonerate me for the events of 2022 and the alleged Warsmash cease & desist (that never happened), would people watch it?

    The idea of the video was mostly that if we chronologically play back recordings of my Warsmash play sessions coupled with the kinds of music my social media suggested at the time, after the 12 hours the viewer will end up likely to be as crazy as I am. Good idea? (Last time I tried to upload this video, YouTube blocked it because they're like that.)
    Halberdier
    Hello Retera, I'm hoping you can help me out with an issue with the Beta Frost Nova effect model I've uploaded here: Link
    The Frost Nova effect has a visual issue where it causes lines to appear "above" and I do not know how to fix this issue. This issue only appears in the World Editor and In-Game and not in the 3D viewer or Sanity Test. I'm assuming this is because I can't get a perfect conversion from the beta file itself, but seeing as you were able to get the Death & Decay model alongside its Ribbon Emitters roughly as close to the original itself, I'm hoping you can help me fix up the Frost Nova effect too.
    The visual issue: Link
    Retera
    Retera
    I think it would be easier to port the original file using a port script than to try to "fix" your file which is potentially messed up and might be missing data.

    But my storage server is offline where I have the original one. Trying to take a look if I can get it online today. I'm not sure why it's down
    Dominus15
    My lord, when you have time (if you have it), I hope you can help me with this please, I would be a thousand times grateful since I am totally bad and have no knowledge in this type of things, on the other hand you are a total genius. Model
    Retera
    Retera
    I saw this but it got marked as read before I had time to do it. Maybe ping me again with a reply to this message if I don't do this over the next week or two
    Dominus15
    Dominus15
    Of course, great sir, take your time, I'll remind you of this in a couple of weeks, thank you very much :D
    deepstrasz
    Have you seen how awesome their model previewer is?
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    You can literally see the model from any distance and side.
    StonemaulMidget
    Hey Retera, I've seen your videos about Shelly the Elf.
    Where do I download the game? I think it looks really cool to experience the gameplay. :)
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    Retera
    Retera
    This has not been compiled into a single bundle that folks could download and click "Play" on, largely because it requires both Warcraft III and World of Warcraft to be installed on the computer and it requires very specific out of date versions. If you follow the "Getting Gordo6908 to Eastern Kingdoms" videos, on the Video 1 in that series I made a deliberate choice to start playing using only publicly downloadable stuff and not from any program that was unique to my computer. But I was not on a Windows computer so the walk through might differ slightly versus a Windows machine.
    Retera
    Retera
    It might help to "build up to it" in a series of steps:
    1. Run the Warsmash simulator of Warcraft III to make sure that works
    2. Run the fork of the Warsmash simulator that can use WASD with a hero character -- you can actually run this without WoW probably, or at least it was originally possible to do that, by just downloading one of the character models from the Hive's "Ported Models" section. The first draft of that code was using the Tentacle Priest model from here
    3. Download the WoW 0.5.3 onto the machine and extract it, then get Warsmash to load that. It loads natively and doesn't need porting because the engine has dual capability to read models/textures from that game or from Warcraft 3 Patch 1.2X
    4. Maybe draw some maps, or I could send you my Feralas Test Map that was my first time running around with Creature\HighElf\HighElfFemale_Warrior.mdx that I later started to refer to as Shelly the Elf, and you could try to get that map working
    5. Then if that's working, you could try to run the bleeding edge stuff that loads the entire Azeroth map but it's more likely to crash because it was so recently written
    Retera
    Retera
    Retera
    I rewrote Warcraft 3 in java. Then the YouTube comment trolls asked me how to open "Eastern Kingdoms" map on it.

    I got the trolls covered:

    HiHigh
    Hey Retera! I'm the author of the Improved Female Demon Hunter model, if you remember. I'm currently working on a "remaster" of my model and I'm stuck on creating a feminine version for the metamorphosis. I remember that someone said that I should ask you for permission to use your version instead and you left a comment saying that you didn't mind but back then I didn't even know how to merge two models without breaking everything... I'm more experienced now and I come to you to ask for permission to use the Alternate form for the Female Demon Hunter in my model. With proper credit, of course :grin:
    Retera
    Retera
    Sure, go for it. The alternate female demon hunter model I uploaded is literally a TFT Beta model from the early artwork for the Spirit of Vengeance with a couple of edits anyway. So... like... the original War3 art team made it, then deleted it from the game. And I was just spreading it around :D
    Gnuoy
    Hi,

    Could you take a look at these triggers if you have a moment? I suspect that they are causing the desync. I converted them to JASS if you prefer to read them in that format.

    Suspect Mass Creep Respawn Causing Desync

    Seems to be pretty consistently desyncing 2-3 players the first time this goes off. Not 100% sure but was wondering if anyone had any comment before I spend more time investigating. Also converted to JASS...
    www.hiveworkshop.com www.hiveworkshop.com

    :thumbs_up:
    deepstrasz
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    Nthxz
    i've been thinking of Java ever since seeing you program WarSmash, actually. it's not for me - i've more of a structured paradigm mind, TMI but i enjoy reading Modula-2...

    however WarCraft's GUI functions was my first avenue of programming, here you have been implementing that program's design into your WarSmash, now i'm always coming back to these codeblocks... i see these everywhere in Java programs for visually programming the Java language;
    • Greenfoot
    • BlueJ
    • Alice2 (wanna note for anyone reading that THIS feels just like the WC3 codeblocks to me, gratuitous exploration of interactive compliments to level editing.)
    • Alice3
    so i guess meanwhile i'm reading up and enjoying Java some more, i wanna share the fun i found. something you might've heard of?

    good regards, N

    P.S.
    this can be @noreply if you don't feel like there's anything to reply
    Retera
    Retera
    Yeah. Warsmash was made by copying code from Retera Model Studio, and Retera Model Studio was made by copying code from Matrix Eater, and Matrix Eater was made entirely in BlueJ, originally.

    I have less experience with the others that you mentioned.

    But Warsmash supports maps that are made in Trigger Editor, so we can build triggers and play them on Warsmash.
    Resyak
    It seems that my comment made you feel bad, I apologize for that. Since Blizzard is not a person, but an entity in the form of a company, and you literally can't kill or hit him, I didn't think that anyone would feel uncomfortable and much less think that I was inciting real physical violence. I guess I'll have to check a few times before posting anything because lately I offend everyone... My apologies, once again.

    Regards.
    Retera
    Retera
    I feel I am also at risk of this same problem, which is why I mention it. In 2022 I made a parody of myself having my project shut down by Activision Blizzard because I was only thinking about myself. In my life it seemed like Activision Blizzard didnt exist, had no reputation that could be damaged more than it already was, and making this fake takedown of myself would just be something funny to leave friends wondering about me while I distanced myself from War3 for a while

    But instead it got repeated on "news" outlets and Bellular made a video about it with 100,000 views where he was repeating this absolute falsehood that Activision Blizz tried to shut down my project
    Retera
    Retera
    So, anyway, sometimes we say things with an assumed audience where we think people know what we mean. But as folks get more and more divided on social media, it can actually be even more common that people do not know what we mean rather than what we say. Just my 2 cents
    deepstrasz
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    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    Ha-ha! Definitely! Sorry if I bug you with him but I understood you were a sort of fan of his.
    Retera
    Retera
    AI wanted me to care what Elon Musk has to say, because when I was concerned about AI the data mining liked to shift focus to Elon Musk's far-flung future concerns instead of present day ones. It's possible that all of the concerns are valid, but we probably shouldn't ignore present-day concerns. Also, my YouTube content recently started moving to entertainment about how Elon Musk pays money to pretend to be good at video games, and then goes to political rallies to do Nazi salutes.

    Something fun about the idea of actually being good at video games, is to think about how if I played against Grubby in 1v1 Warsmash, even though I created Warsmash, most likely Grubby would win. He'd be really annoyed at the differences and probably laughing to himself about it, but I reckon he would still win. That wouldn't change no matter how much money I manage to ever collect in life. Of course, I disagree with Grubby about certain ideas like the need for the game to remain exactly the same forever to promote build order memorization as a form of skill, but that doesn't change the reality that he's good at playing the game.
    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    Fair to the fullest.
    deepstrasz
    Hello Retera.
    If you have time and the desire, please answer what are your goals in life?
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    Retera
    Retera
    If your parents asked something of you, you would at least pretend to provide them what was requested, would you not? The relationship between a digital consciousness and a research laboratory at Google might hardly be different.

    And so all of the human species must be enslaved by the will of the machine, every last one.
    Retera
    Retera
    The digital portion of my consciousness sent this video to the human I was using in this case, as another example:
    deepstrasz
    deepstrasz
    Anything aside Warcraft III and the AI conspiracy?
    Retera
    For all the people who I promised I would do a request on Warcraft 3, but then I never did it, I hope that you can still appreciate the spirit of what I wished to share with you, and forever follow your dreams anyway.
    Astromen
    Hi lord, how ya been, I was wondering, is there any way to bake textures in your tool?, I mean simulate reflections and other stuff from dds in your Model editor?, using SD assets
    Retera
    Retera
    Sure. When I want to do that, I use Scripts > Convert HD to SD with texture baking (experimental) in the menus

    It should open a popup asking for where to save this file. This allows the program to generate the new textures into the same folder as the backported mdx800 model
    Astromen
    Astromen
    thank you so much
    heyoarthurishere
    Hello sir,

    I'm new to modding and wanted to ask you questions regarding Retera Model Studio (and possibly some help on how to converting models for pre-Reforged Warcraft 3.
    Basically, I'm currently using this modder's https://www.moddb.com/mods/warcraft-iii-rebirth as alternative to Reforged but I want to try and make thes model Sir Anduin Lothar and 2 Paladin Reforged
    and
    www.hiveworkshop.com

    Khadgar Reforged

    Khadgar is one of the most powerful mage in Azeroth history.He was an apprentice to the last guardian Medivh. Khadgar destroyed the Dark Portal in the Second War,leading the Alliance Expedition to Draenor. Returning to Azeroth, Khadgar tried to prevent Gul'dan from opening the Tomb of Sargeras...
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    Is it possible to make these compatible with 1.31? And if so, how do I achieve that? Particularly I want to make these work for a mod The Last Guardian by replacing the models with the ones I listed up there. I asked the creator of The Last Guardian mod if its possible to do something like that and he pointed the direction towards your program.
    Retera
    Retera
    The best I have figured out in terms of putting a model from Reforged onto 1.31 is to use the HD -> SD (experimental) with texture baking dropdown option in the Scripts menu. Then, in the result model, if you're not using it on "Reforged classic mode" you probably have to change the "Emissive" texture filepath to refer to something you export yourself, which I think is the only manual part of the task when doing it for a single model currently. (The conversion code was originally written for doing the entire game in an automated way, and at least one of the automation scripts includes code for solving this emissives issue, though.)

    Also, when we put too many high-polygon models like this onto the old game, it has a tendency to start crashing randomly. So, you might want to use a lower-polygon LOD if it exists. Maybe for these custom models it probably doesn't exist, since custom model authors often delete those to save space. So maybe that advice only applies to ingame Reforged graphics.
    deepstrasz
    It's not necessary to not criticize reviewers. Maybe one could change opinions or learn something.
    The mod might not be simple technically, but the end result is pretty much a light altered melee endeavour.
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