The Idealists Challenge #1 "Light and Darknes - The Results

Moy · Nov 30, 2014

The Results

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...lists-challenge-1-light-darkness-poll-259623/
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After three weeks the Winners are now proclaimed of IC#1, Congratulations! See 'ya on the next contest!

Judges' Scores

Emotion, the Nameless

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 0/15

This hero has no synergy whatsoever. The abilities
almost seem random, because none of them share
any similarities. They can be used in a combo, but
none of them provide any synergy benefits.

There is no damage/healing/anything leveling amount
that would say that leveling this ability increases its
damage or makes its effect last longer. They are described
as static, level 1 abilities. Most of them don't even have a
damage amount on them.

I think the jungle creeps have more synergy
in their abilities than this hero has.

This hero needs complete reworking if it were to be
viable for the chosen map.

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 0/20

This hero's mechanics and spells aren't even
described in any manner for he to be in the map.

If this hero were to be in the map, I'd think
its some sort of a joke hero.

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 7/10

The author did make a relatively original hero.
I can somewhat see the creativity behind it.

The author used icons, but no graphics to display
the hero in a reasonable fashion.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 5/20

Not to repeat myself, but this hero concept would
be either: broken or useless if it was made into the map.

With that being said, I think there is a decent level of
complexity behind the hero to say it would take some
effort to make its abilities. Mostly because his ultimate
Mind State is described as "By using this ability his mind
state switch from Dark to Light and vice versa..."

Because of the UI and the command card with the warcraft
engine, this hero would require an elegant solution because
it would need a way to keep cooldowns active on abilities
while other abilities are displayed while others are hidden.

Its theme is both complex and unusable at this time.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 22/25

The lore about the hero has many grammatical
errors and in a way, is way too long to describe
a hero but its at least clear in what it is.

To some extent, it gives a sort of "irrational" explanation
to "why this hero has both dark/light" powers. Its not
very descriptive, even though it has decent amount of
details in it. I however think that "the Nameless" doesn't
fit with the hero, especially since his name is Emotion.
Emotions are not nameless.

Its kind of cool that each ability is based around an emotion
and in some way, does the effect you think an emotion would do.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 4/10

The concept was presented in a mediocre way.

The abilities just have their hotkey as the description
in the table and the text is all the same everywhere
around the UI design. I'd think that a hero named
Emotion would be presented in many, many colors
but I guess not.

Disregarding all that, the abilities were presented in
barely working state. No details about the amounts of
ability effects were given, no levels were described and
the abilities themselves look like they have been chosen
by a broken bingo machine on random.

Synergy (0/15 Points)
Balance (0/20 Points)
Creativity (7/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (5/20 Points)
Theme (22/25 Points)
Presentation (4/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (38/100) [sentrywiz]

Ausfang : The Lightguard

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

PROS

All the spells of the hero are more or less
exact opposites of their light counterparts.
Meaning that while light spells heal, dark
spells deal damage. Light increases speed,
dark decreases speed.

The hero's ultimate not only completely changes
the hero's tactics but it changes the hero and its
spells -- transforming it into a completely different
hero type.

CONS

While the spells of this hero are two sides
of the same coin, that is the same weakness.
All the spells are basically copy paste with
negative values.

Not to undermine the effort
of the author, but while I do consider simplicity
to be the best solution, dumbing down every
light/dark spell to be just the opposite of each
other makes it a little too simple.

Also this hero is lacking a scaling passive that also
might be used while in normal or demonic form.
Some interesting idea, not mandatory

POINTS GIVEN: 8/15

There is nothing wrong with the hero spells besides
what I believe about the spells being too simple.

But the hero spells don't have any synergy whatsoever.
They are okay spells, most of them either heal, increase
speed or deal damage and decrease speed.

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/20

This hero is balanced and would fit great
in the chosen map.

I can see this hero being both useful and
balanced in the chosen map. Because of its
counterpart nature, the hero's spells literally
change the playstyle of the hero completely
once it hits level 6 and gains the use of his
ultimate.

He would start to lane as a support, healing
allies and providing them with beneficial support.
But then at level 6, he would literally become a
support nuker, turning the tide in the lane and
causing chaos among the enemies.

Its simplicity will allow anyone to quickly grow
accustomed to this hero with little or no previous
expertise.

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 3/10

The hero's creativity is okay. Not too bright, not too bad.
I like its simplicity and duality.

However, the author did a poor job of presenting the hero.
Only 2 icons were used.

The colors chosen are either too flashy or too dim and barely
readable. The overall UI design choice is ghastly at best.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/20

The concept can be fully implemented in a warcraft 3 map.

All of the abilities are straightforward and can be easily
made and/or modified to fit with the hero.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 5/25

The hero is a mixture of light and dark in fairly obvious ways.
I can say this much that makes it okay so far.

The hero lore is laughable. It attempts to link itself to the
Warcraft Universe with a fictional story that is not only illogical
but is poorly written as well. I cannot commend any poorly written
lore that is a grammatical mess of words, because spell check is so
readily available anywhere on the internet. Anyways back to the lore..

First of all, they are described as half demons and half worgen that
can use dark magic. Even the term Worgen is a Warcraft term.

Ausfang is described as a ferocious warrior of the Razorclaw
that was mentored by a paladin to protect the light and bring
peace to the world. A half demon, half werewolf that wields
dark magic was mentored by a paladin?... yeah okay. Its like
saying that after Arthas became a death knight, he was
mentored by murlocs and became a pirate.
Cuz you know, why not.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 0/10

The concept was presented in a horrible manner.

The design is barely readable, the grammar is beyond
horrible and with the colors used, you have to squint your
eyes to read it.

Some abilities have icons, others don't. Some abilities are
straight out copy-pasted and the author even forgot to
change the text of the copy-pasted text. Like Abyssal Aura,
Abyssal Summoning.

The lore is a comical at best.

Synergy (8/15 Points)
Balance (20/20 Points)
Creativity (3/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (20/20 Points)
Theme (5/25 Points)
Presentation (0/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (56/100) [sentrywiz]

Jollinar, the tainted Zealot

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

PROS

There is a very clear synergy between abilities of this hero.

This hero also uses the theme as a duality to represent the
strengths and weaknesses of the hero in the Light/Dark
theme, allowing the reader to instantly notice the synergy
and the contrast of various spells.

CONS

The hero has no inherent non-leveling passive and is
entirely reliant on his spells. Even though the hero's
ultimate is a passive, the hero doesn't have any other
passive effect.

I think her Light from Above [Q, Active] and her
Darkness Below [Also Q, Active] are maybe too good
in synergy and need a slight nerf. Because of the
stacking damage of Light from Above and the snaring
ability of Darkness Below, this hero could deal lots of
damage with her Q spell on level 6.

POINTS GIVEN: 13/15

The synergy is very clear.
The spell effects are for the most part, balanced.

Other than nerfing the damage of Light from Above
and adding another non-leveling passive, this hero
has perfect synergy.

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 19/20

IMO, this hero is almost perfectly balanced.

As a support dps, her spells have a
duality in nature that allows double-casting
spells with different effects that synergize with
each other and provide a myriad of buffs/debuffs
and other effects.

The only downside I can think of is that the hero
doesn't have a scaling passive that grows stronger
over time. That might be the only con, since this
hero's true power comes after learning her ultimate
passive Dark Heritage and the passive itself only
unlocks the darkness counterpart spells after she is
below some health threshold.

I think that the addition of a scaling passive will
make this hero perfectly balanced (provided that
this passive isn't some broken overpowered crap)

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/10

The author did a superb job of using icons and graphics to
display the hero, and the interface of the abilities, stats
and other hero information is displayed in a clear manner.

The hero is a unique blend of two seeminglty opposing sides.

The hero's lore is decent, except for the occasional letter swallowing
and broken words.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 12/20

The concept can be implemented in a warcraft 3 map
but with decent amount of complexity involved.

Intentional or not and as fun as the hero's abilities are,
most of the spells activate additional spells that can be
cast and will take extra space from the command card from the UI.

All the spells do a health deficit check to measure if the hero
is below the health threshold in order to be able to cast darkness
spells and further conditioned to be only as active as the light
counterpart of that spell.

The biggest problem I see here is the effect of replacing any active
light spell with a darkness spell and measuring the cooldown of the
light spell, since the darkness spell is only given AFTER the light spell
has been cast and lasts as long as the light spell is in effect. Since there
isn't a way to affect cooldowns in warcraft separately, this will be a huge
hurdle.

Sadly, making this hero in warcraft will require amounts of patience,
rather complex solutions and the benefits of several systems. Nothing
too grim however, as it is doable -- it is only burdensome and will have
interface problems.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 25/25

The hero represents the contest theme with flying colors.
Even though it is hard to decide which side to put her in,
since she is both sides in one hero, this is no problem.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 5/10

The concept of the hero is decent in presentation.

However I've struggled to re-read parts of the abilities and
the lore which had some broken words.
I cannot commend the author for not running a spell check to
filter through those broken words that make reading difficult

The abilities have a rather unpleasant feel about the amount of text
that is provided at first sight. This is as good as it is bad, hence the
abilities have for the most part straightforward effects, but the huge
chunks of text make reading them a... challenge.

Even though the colors used for the text make it more
clear which parts of the ability are which, reading through
a big hill of text for one ability is mediocre.

I think the author could of done a better job at describing
his or her abilities, that would make easier to understand not
just here for this contest, but possibly in-game.

Synergy (13/15 Points)
Balance (19/20 Points)
Creativity (10/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (12/20 Points)
Theme (25/25 Points)
Presentation (5/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (84/100) [sentrywiz]

Dr. Aether : Electromagnetic Radiation Controlling Machine

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

PROS

All of the spells regarding this hero
are based around evasion from melee combat
and dominating from long range via attacks,
point and line spells

CONS

The hero doesn't have a clear synergy between
abilities. While important, most of the spells
are based around dealing damage from range
and do not qualify as genuine synergy effects.

While all the spells have a combo potential,
they are not synergetic between each other.
All damage spells are long range. The passive
feels almost random, because the point of this
hero is to fight from a clear distance and not get
hit while the passive allows more damage to be
dealt if the hero is hit

POINTS GIVEN: 5/15

There is nothing wrong with this hero via
the active and passive spells. They are well
thought out and relay a simple message that
this hero best works from long distance combat.

However with that being said, there is no
synergy either and some spells are in conflict
with one another. Both stun and blind effects
can overlap and deny an effect, casting abilities
would waste mana that would give away the cloak
earlier and easier. The passive barely works for this
type of hero, since the point of it is not getting hit
by the enemy.

I would suggest few things:

- Making the spells both affective in long/short range
by changing the damage/effect ratio. Long distance
would cause more damage and short range would
cause effects to last longer like Blind and Stun
- Making the Mobile and Siege mode available at all
times, so that this hero can use all spells at all points
of the game by choice, either in short or long range
- The Photothermal Deflection [Q, Active] does too little
to be called a valid spell. It could have some extra effect
like increasing damage from the first attack fired from stealth

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/20

This hero is balanced and would fit great
in the chosen map.

I can see a bright future for this hero, because
of his his long distance nuking power via attacks
and abilities.

I assume most item builds would revolve around
getting extra mobility and mana. All that this hero
really needs is lot of mana regeneration and mana
points to be able to rule both lane defense and team
fights. A very scary opponent if not countered properly

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 2/10

Unfortunately, this hero is neither original nor creative.
Its a Siege Tank from the Starcraft Universe with
some shady backstory and interesting abilities.

Its what you would expect from a Siege Tank. A slow powerful
nuker that devastates from long range. I cannot commend the
author for being original and creative with choosing this model
and slapping a DC Universe name on it.

However, the author did develop the creativity with the abilities
of the hero, and those are the ones I can commend on.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/20

The concept can be fully implemented in a warcraft 3 map.

For the most part, the abilities are relatively straightforward.
I'd assume the tough part would be to copy all abilities between
the Siege and Mobile unit and fix all glitches and bugs that might
occur from both.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 0/25

This is the most horrible aspect of the hero I'm afraid.
It doesn't at all fit the theme. The only tie this hero has
with the Dark is his backstory, which isn't really descriptive
of his malice, sadism, agony, pain or hatred. At best, its shady
for all the wrong reasons.

Not to mention that this hero's power is a machine that does
complex things like deflecting light, firing lasers, refraction
and using radiation as a weapon. It belongs to some space-cybernetic
age, and I don't feel that this map has that. It would all be good
if the story would somehow connect his knowledge for these
powerful and complicated things... but sadly it doesn't.

The lore shoots itself in the foot by saying "As with the name,
Dr. Aether was fascinated with the aspect of light and in its manipulation".
Yeah, he was so fascinated with the light that he butchered cattle
and was driven by bloodlust. A person fascinated by the light doesn't
build contraptions to butcher cattle or terrorize villagers. Nor names
himself something out of a comic book. Aether doesn't have any connection
with the light or the dark, so even the name doesn't belong here.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/10

The concept was presented top-notch.

The author took his time with relaying all information
in a very descriptive, clear manner. The constant use of
the same colors, valid icons, hero details and even the
hero attributes are well laid out in a simple UI.

Synergy (5/15 Points)
Balance (20/20 Points)
Creativity (2/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (20/20 Points)
Theme (0/25 Points)
Presentation (10/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (57/100) [sentrywiz]

Lafos, Blood Knight

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

PROS

Hero is a singing dancing synergy fest.
His scaling Blood Stash passive is the
"blood" of this hero, enhancing ability
effects.

Some abilities generate stacks, others
spend which is a great combo within itself.

CONS

Masochism is an unnecessary OP spell.
It literally has no drawback, since the
% max health amount you pay for it is so
low that either: fountain heals you right up
or the Vital Fluids [E, Passive] heals you up.

POINTS GIVEN: 0/15

This hero would have a perfect balance if
there wasn't the Masochism spell. It ruins
all of the hero's great potential -- and sadly
this hero has great potential.

I'd given 15/15 points if this hero didn't have
the Masochism spell or if it wasn't broken
OP crap like it is.

I also think that maybe changing Vital Fluids
to also somehow generate stacks for the passive
would be great then his Q, W spells would generate
stacks and E, R spells would spend stacks.

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 0/20

This hero is broken.

Hero deals 47 - 50 damage on level 1.
Hero has 1.7 attack rate.

Deep Wounds [E, Passive] has a 17%
chance to grant 60/45/30/15% damage
increase based on how many stacks you
have in your passive. For each stack below
4, you get reduced damage increase.

That means with the 60% damage this hero
deals 75 - 80 damage on level 1. Yes, level 1.

The saddest part is... this hero theoretically
kills you without the ultimate. And his ultimate
deals lots of damage.

This hero can be abused as it is right now.
Masochism allows that.

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/10

The author did a splendid job or using both icons and graphics
to display valuable information about the hero. Some extra stats
like attack range, attack rate, movement speed, hero projectile
made it easy to read and understand just what kind of hero it is.

The abilities were for the most part easy to understand, despite
most of them having unnecessary complex mechanics behind them.
I think the wording could of been improved, but this is not a complaint
because the author did a good job of explaining the hero.

The idea behind the hero is for the most part original, even
though I can see from where some the ideas came.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/20

The concept can be fully implemented in a warcraft 3 map.

There is some complexity towards building this hero, like the
Vital Fluids [W, Passive] would take a DDS system to be made
and the Crimson Dagger [Q, Active] would take around 2-3 missile
triggers to be made, since it retracts back to the hero.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/25

The hero represented the contest theme with overall
success. I would give it a 75% Dark / 25% Light ratio,
but the lore isn't completely descriptive of how he
gained the knowledge to manipulate blood and it
doesn't explain how the title Blood Knight came to be.

Still, the hero represents the theme well.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 8/10

The concept behind the hero is for the most part easily
understood. The synergy behind the abilities is simple and
complex enough that any reader would realize that.

However, some of the abilities are unnecessary complex
and others are just plain simple. This might cause any reader
to have doubts about why this is so. Nevertheless, they are
clearly explained with all the details and can be copied as
they are directly into a map and there would be little to no
confusion.

Synergy (0/15 Points)
Balance (0/20 Points)
Creativity (10/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (20/20 Points)
Theme (20/25 Points)
Presentation (8/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (58/100) [sentrywiz]

Daniela, the Holy Mage

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 7/15

There is barely synergy between abilities
of this hero.

However, with that being said
the abilities do combo with each other, like
combining Heaven's Curse [Q, Active] with
the passive Gleaming Body and Holy Protection
[W, Active] can cripple an attacker to the point
where little to no damage is being dealt to this
hero.

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 20/20

I think this hero is balanced and is completely
viable for the chosen map.

The abilities do enough on their own to make
each of them useful in some way.

The hero is a perfectly suited support nuker
with disabling abilities and some healing potential.

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 8/10

The author made a creative hero.
Original, not so much.

The author did a great job of using both graphics, icons
and displaying valuable information about the hero.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 17/20

Ther hero can be fully implemented into the
chosen map.

The only spell that would require some thought
is her ultimate that is a complex spell in itself,
even more since the hero both damages enemies
and heals allies with it.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/25

The hero represents the contest theme well.

With that being said, the lore is again based on
a fictional story in the Warcraft Universe.

It has tons of grammatical errors and barely skims
on the details of the hero. It gives a very vague
explanation of why the hero is a holy mage, only that
she found it very natural to her. Why?

These two lines of the lore
really bother my questionable intelligence:

"after the fallen prince devour the city, she was one of the few survivors of the onslaught"

I'm guessing this is the Culling of Stratholme...

"Now, she will use her magics against her most hated enemy the Undead"

If this is the purging of Stratholme, Arthas didn't command any undead here.
On the contrary, he wanted to stop his people turning into the undead.

If this is part of the main storyline, the lore just keeps
making holes in its plots. If its not what I suspect, then
my apologies, but the lore did a mind crush on me and
now I descend into madness.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/10

The concept was presented in a great way.

The abilities are easy to understand and displayed
in a very clear manner. The colors used in the UI
are of great choice and there is all, even more info
displayed about the hero.

I commend the author for making a simple choice
and making everything easy to read and understand

Synergy (7/15 Points)
Balance (20/20 Points)
Creativity (8/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (17/20 Points)
Theme (10/25 Points)
Presentation (10/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (72/100) [sentrywiz]

Thero, the Undefined

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 15/15

This hero screams synergy.
Its abilities are so full of synergy and
all of the abilities are synergetic and combo
so well with each other.

Most abilities synergize with both enemies and
allies making each level of each spell very useful

Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 15/20

This hero has perfect synergy.

Even though I am worried for once that
his synergy might even be TOO GOOD for
the chosen map, because every spell literally
becomes better when used with other spells
or under other spell conditions.

I also think his ultimate is too powerful.
It literally creates too many effects at
once and can cause a penta kill because
enemies cannot run from the illusion, it has
tons of HP even at higher levels, it reflects some
of the damage dealt to it and with his Presence
Aura [E, Passive] he gets a big chance to
deal 100 true damage with spells.

Sounds too good to be true.

Was the hero original and creative? Did the author use appropriate icons or graphics? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/10

The author made a superb hero.
The author used both icons and graphics
to the point I think he/she is a perfectionist.

All the stats, attributes and abilities are well
presented. Even the spell stats like cooldown,
mana cost, range and target type are shown in
a separate table.

Can the concept be fully implemented in a Warcraft 3 map? 20 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 18/20

The concept can be fully implemented into the chosen map.

However his ultimate, Malevolent Illusion is kind of
a complex spell in itself that goes too much into complexity
with all the insane synergy this hero has. This would require
loops, DDS, special effects and what not to make it as powerful
as it is described.

Did the hero represent the contest theme? 25 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 5/25

The hero represents the theme in a reasonable fashion.

However, the lore... is in another castle. (yes! super-mario reference)

Its horrible, with butchered sentences, grammar-less and has
little to no logic in itself. The story is laughable and ghastly.
I don't think I can imagine how this hero was created in the first
place by picturing all the events the author tried to fuse together
using this... pudge of a lore. (yes! even a pudge reference. i'm just too good)

The hero is supposedly a priest that was stabbed by a demon
who also possessed him and made his body into what he is right now.
The most unbelievable fact is the author saying that:

"Luckily, Thero's mind is still present and has a full control to his movements, because of being a priest."

and

"Even with this form, Thero didn't changed his path and career"

So the hero looks like a lich, has darkest of auras,
is possessed by a demon, but his mind is still his
and he wants to pursue the same goals as before?

Kind of sad that this hero has really amazing
abilities that are so well explained and yet the
lore itself is trashy at best.

How was the concept presented? Are the abilities well understood? 10 POINTS

POINTS GIVEN: 10/10

The concept was presented so well I shed a tear

Of course there are minor letter-swallowing and some
broken words but I'm fine with small mistakes. We all
make them.

Except for the lore, which is the thorn in the beautiful mirage
of this hero -- everything else is well explained, amazingly put
into a stylish and cool looking UI table, with everything explained
to a dot.

Synergy (15/15 Points)
Balance (15/20 Points)
Creativity (10/10 Points)
Blizzard Feeling (18/20 Points)
Theme (5/25 Points)
Presentation (10/10 Points)

TOTAL POINTS (73/100) [sentrywiz]

Svernos, The Sky Forger

Synergy

Balance

Creativity

Blizzard Feeling

Theme

Presentation

TOTAL

Is there a synergy between abilities? 15 POINTS

PROS

There are a whole variety of different spells
and effects that this hero can do. Overall he has
8 spells that he can use and 3 other spells that his
summons can cast for a total of 11 spells. He has
lot of choice.

Also this hero is kind of unique. You can pick a light or
a dark side of the hero for which you gain access to totally
different spells which makes this hero take two roles at once
and then you decide which role to play by choosing its passive.
Kind of cool.

CONS

The hero's synergy is barely existent. There are only
two spells that have a synergy, in fact its not just a synergy
they are required in order for them to actually do something
relevant and useful. His Haunt [W, Active] and Embrace the Darkness
[E, Passive] synergize between each other, but are both almost
unusable if you don't have both.

But let's leave that aside. The abilities are broken on design
because some of them don't even have a damage/healing
amount and/or their effects make them seem overpowered.
This might not have been the intention of the author, but hey
I'm not telepathic.

POINTS GIVEN: 0/15

The hero has some synergy, even though
its not a big one. But some of the abilities
appear broken and overpowered so no
matter how cool the abilities are if they
don't have at least some form of information
that EXACTLY relays what they do, the hero
is broken on design.

A cool idea though.

TOTAL - 92/100

I like how the dark and light sides intertwine in the numbers game. At late game he can land an ult in the middle of the enemy team, watching as the enemies helplessly struggle to get free while having his allies hit the illusion. The benefits? Single-target things such as crits work much better on the illusion. 14/15

I'm a bit unsure about if the ult illusion dies to blows, but the rest of the kit is well balanced. 16/20.

Very creative, how the effects change solely based on targets. 10/10

In terms of coding this hero is fully doable. However, I am not sure how you would like the additional icons to be displayed. They can be made only tool tip info though. 20/20

Theme is good. 22/25

Minor thing; the attribute icons' black backgrounds can be seen. Hero is easy to understand.

I love the fact that a GIF is here from the source model. Those, and the decently re-colored ability icons make this a 10/10

The Leaderboard

Author

Entry Name

Status

Poll Votes

Judge #1 - Mythic

Judge #2 - sentrywiz

Average Score

Placement

jopi[TD]Jollinar, the Tainted Zealot

FINISHED

5

95/100

84/100

89.5/100

1st Place

~Nightmare[TD]Thero, the Undefined

FINISHED

9

92/100

73/100

82.5/100

2nd Place

Sclammerz[TD]Daniela, the Holy Mage

FINISHED

7

92/100

72/100

82/100

3rd Place

Green!x[TD]Dr. Aether, Electromagnetic Radiation Controlling Machine

FINISHED

9

85/100

57/100

71/100

4th Place

Razer!x[TD]Lafos, Blood Knight

FINISHED

4

81/100

58/100

69.5/100

5th Place

Templassassin[TD]Svernos, the Sky Forger

FINISHED

4

57/100

50/100

53.5/100

6th Place

Chaosy[TD]Emotion, the Nameless

FINISHED

4

63/100

38/100

50.5/100

7th place

dhika_axe

Ausfang, Lightguard

FINISHED

3

76/100

56/100

66/100

8th Place (6th place to be D

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Congratulations to all the winners!

1st - jopi + 20 rep
2nd - ~Nightmare + 15 rep
3rd - Sclammerz + 10 rep
Others - + 5 rep

Comment on my entry:
That shit lore -_-

jopi really deserved the win! Congrats!

Also great job on your entries! You all did hardwork.

Moy · Nov 30, 2014

Oh yeah, I just made this as top 7, sorry. I was just confused about it. But then, we have the results now. I didn't follow the 25% + 75% thingy.

Templassassin · Nov 30, 2014

im actually laughing when i see sentrywiz's judge to my hero

im not the master of BBCodes

Vinz · Nov 30, 2014

My reviews look half-assed compared to sentrywiz's. :goblin_cry:

Good job to all participants!

Moy · Nov 30, 2014

@Templassassin: Then master it haha

@Mythic: It's okay Mythic, it's your own judgment. With sentrywiz highest score given 84 and with yours 95.

Vinz · Nov 30, 2014

I wanna join the next one, haha. xD

Moy · Nov 30, 2014

Sure.

Templassassin · Nov 30, 2014

when is the #2 ?
i'll help you again with the theme

Vinz · Nov 30, 2014

I suggest it start around Dec. 5?

Who will distribute the rep by the way?

Moy · Nov 30, 2014

@Mythic: Ralle, he's doing it just right now. December 5? Who will host? Is it me again?

(This is hardwork, HAHA)

Basing the data scores (Mythic + sentrywiz)

Most Synergized Hero - Thero, the Undefined > 29/30
Most Balanced Hero - Daniela, the Holy Mage > 38/40
Most Creative Hero - Thero, the Undefined > 20/20
Most Doable in Warcraft 3 - Lafos, Blood Knight, Svernos, the Sky Forger, Dr. Aether, Electromagnetic Radiation Controlling Machine, Ausfang, Lightguard > 40/40
Hero who topnotch the theme criteria - Jollinar, the tainted Zealot > 50/50
Well Presented Heroes - Thero, the Undefined, Dr. Aether, Electromagnetic Radiation Controlling Machine > 20/20

We should have awards

maybe we do it on the second one? Each award is equivalent to 2 rep? You guys agree?

Vinz · Nov 30, 2014

Haha, perhaps. But there should be more to awards than just on a thread and with rep. I'm not sure.

Moy · Nov 30, 2014

I didn't understand really, Pardon?

jopi · Nov 30, 2014

well, then I want to thank everybody voting for my entry and also the judges for their ratings.

I really had to laugh sometimes as I somehow knew that criticism would come^^ (e.g. complex abilities and the way of writing xD )
i often tend to make really complex hero ideas, maybe because the last i did were for HotN. If I have some time and motivation to translate I might post a REALLY complex hero

(which hopefully is still possible do make in wc3 as at least I would have tons of fun to play it, but this lies in Crigges' hands ^^)

Also if there is a plan to make another Idealist Challenge I guess I could join as a judge.

And Awards are a good idea!

Chaosy · Nov 30, 2014

gz everyone.

Heinvers · Nov 30, 2014

Congratz guys

Sclammerz · Nov 30, 2014

Ooh. Hmm. The lore of my entry in the fall of Dalaran. Anyway Congratulations to Jopi!

Edit: That was a close call ~Nightmare! HAHA!

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Haha close one 0.5 gap. I'll plan for the second one. Theme suggestions please.

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

HAHA! Fire and Ice!!!

GreeN!X · Dec 1, 2014

Man, if my theme was rejected this badly, I should have gone with the mainstream and went with the good/bad thing instead of the scientific side of light. Well, I'm still pretty happy with that. Congrats to everyone. I'll be looking forward to the next one. ^^

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Man, I never won IC (the one on PRS) before and this was the closest one HAHA ( Oh yeah The first IC was second place also).

So right now, I'm planning for the second one.
The contest starts Dec. 7
Submission - Dec. 7 - 14
Public Voting - Dec. 15 - 22
Results - December 25

Agree with this? Also, the criterias is being fixed by sentrywiz I'll be waiting for his thoughts.

@Sclammerz: Fire and Ice? It's just like this one, maybe suggest a unique theme.
@Green!x: You're 4th

Hoping to win the second one.

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

~Nightmare said:
Man, I never won IC (the one on PRS) before and this was the closest one HAHA ( Oh yeah The first IC was second place also).

So right now, I'm planning for the second one.
The contest starts Dec. 7
Submission - Dec. 7 - 14
Public Voting - Dec. 15 - 22
Results - December 25

Agree with this? Also, the criterias is being fixed by sentrywiz I'll be waiting for his thoughts.

@Sclammerz: Fire and Ice? It's just like this one, maybe suggest a unique.

Hmm. maybe nature/environment? something like that.

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Eco-friendliness HAHA

EDIT: Mythical Creatures?

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

Yeah, Im a echo frinedly guy, you know! lol!
Well, can you specify it a bit?

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

GreeN!X said:
Man, if my theme was rejected this badly, I should have gone with the mainstream and went with the good/bad thing instead of the scientific side of light. Well, I'm still pretty happy with that. Congrats to everyone. I'll be looking forward to the next one. ^^

I like your theme and I gave it a perfect score.

E: Oh, right.

Anyways,

EDIT: Mythical Creatures?

Yes please!

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Mythical Creatures

Select any Mythical Creature from any fictional story or in mythologies. The hero's ability must also relate to the kind of creature it is. For example, Harpies can use its feathers or wings as an ability.

Help me fix my grammar

Or make it look fancy to read.

EDIT:
Give me suggestions for the awards

Award Icon	Decription	Reward
Choose the award icon here: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images	Award Title Tell the awards description. Tell how this award can be obtained.	Reward must range from 1 - 3 rep.

BBCODE

HTML:

[TABLE]
[tr][TD][b]Award Icon[/b][/td][TD][b]Decription[/b][/td][TD][b]Reward[/b][/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b]Choose the award icon here: [url]http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images[/url] [/b][/td][td][b]Award Title[/b]
Tell the awards description. Tell how this award can be obtained.[/td][td]Reward must range from 1 - 3 rep.[/td][/tr]
[/TABLE]

Also let us all fix the criteria for judging.

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

Select a Mythical Creature from any fictional story or mythology. ~~The hero's abilities must also relate to the kind of creature it is. For example, Harpies can use its feathers or wings as an ability.~~ (obvious)

A one-liner is okay for a contest description.

Chaosy · Dec 1, 2014

Interesting theme, gives quite a lot of options in terms of creativity.

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

ooh, Mythical creatures in warcraft? can you site other examples cause i cant really imagine it. (Kinda slow, you know!)

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

There are tons of Mythical Creatures
Unicorns, Centaurs, Mermaids, Chimera, Dragons, Serpents and so on.

Oh yeah, Award thoughts

Award Icon	Decription	Reward
	Combo King Can be obtained by the author of the entry who accumulated the highest scores in the Synergy criteria.	+2 rep
	People's Choice Obtained by the entry who gained the highest votes in the public poll.	+2 rep

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

OK. I get it.

its just i'm kinda

Very SLOW!

My head is kinda in a malfunction.

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Award Icon	Decription	Reward
	First Place Awarded to the entry who had accumulated highest final scores.	+20 rep
	Second Place Awarded to the entry who had accumulated the second highest final scores.	+15 rep
	Third Place Awarded to the entry who had accumulated the third highest final scores.	+10 rep

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

Third place has second place icon. xD

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Awtsu, fixed. Now help me with this ?

NOTES: This award thingy is not the one that will show up in your profile.

EDIT:
Quoting this one.

~Nightmare said:
There are tons of Mythical Creatures
Unicorns, Centaurs, Mermaids, Chimera, Dragons, Serpents and so on.

Oh yeah, Award thoughts

Award Icon Decription Reward

Combo King
Can be obtained by the author of the entry who accumulated the highest scores in the Synergy criteria. +2 rep

People's Choice
Obtained by the entry who gained the highest votes in the public poll. +2 rep

Chaosy · Dec 1, 2014

I'd go for people's choice since the other award is kinda unfulfilled, aka it only cover one little topic while the people's choice rewards the hero as a whole.

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

Chaosy said:
I'd go for people's choice since the other award is kinda unfulfilled, aka it only cover one little topic while the people's choice rewards the hero as a whole.

He is right about the people's choice reward.

Templassassin · Dec 1, 2014

hey, what's the next theme??

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Mythical Creatures I guess.

Templassassin · Dec 1, 2014

creatures?? why not heroes and gods?

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

~~Heroes are Creatures~~

@People's Choice: yes!

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

Mythical creatures is unique though! Anyway Mr. Nightmare: Still the based map for balancing is DOTA?

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

For me, its a bit interesting than gods. Well, DotA has Zeus now.

EDIT: Well, what map we should base on?

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

Nah, I don't know too. It seems it is the best map for balancing spells and abilities.

I did ask a random question without any suggestion

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

Haha, LoL?

..Or a melee map?

Moy · Dec 1, 2014

Yeah, Dota is common right now.

LoL? a bit hard I guess. Well melee heroes, no experience T_T

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

DotA again, until someone complains.

jopi · Dec 1, 2014

well, depending on wether it's possible on hive or not we also could make badges that participants can put into their signature (if they want).

e.g. there would be one for participating, specials ones for the top 3 and maybe for 'people's choice' and so on?.

The badge could then link to the contest or something like this.

As I said at the moment I'd have no idea how to make this, apart from having the contest-host put the 'badges' (pictures) in his pastebin and send the contestant the fitting badges as a link/bbcode they can put into their signature.
Also the badge would be new for every contest (should also fit to the theme).

and on topic of the question in what map the hero idea should fit:

WHAT IF, we start a 'long-time-group-project' that in the end uses heroes made for the challenge?
This on the other hand would mean that at least the rough idea of the map should be clear ( by the way I have a quite specific map idea in my mind for some time and already started to make some terrain tests). But I wouldn't start this before next year, so a potential map idea can be specified. And this also means that the 'doable in wc3'-part becomes a much more important thing.

Chaosy · Dec 1, 2014

Too messy. A group that big is very hard to manage. Not to mention we'd have to vote on every single decision else it wouldn't 'fair'.

Vinz · Dec 1, 2014

WHAT IF, we start a 'long-time-group-project' that in the end uses heroes made for the challenge?
This on the other hand would mean that at least the rough idea of the map should be clear ( by the way I have a quite specific map idea in my mind for some time and already started to make some terrain tests). But I wouldn't start this before next year, so a potential map idea can be specified. And this also means that the 'doable in wc3'-part becomes a much more important thing.

I agree about this.

jopi · Dec 1, 2014

well what I meant, was e.g. that I present my map idea as good and detailed as possible so its as clear as possible how gameplay and so on would look, maybe with some terrain wips (less triggering, as I'm a total noob when it comes to coding

). And should enough people like the idea (or have some suggestions) they can post it here. once the idea has enough 'shape' we could start to make hero idea challenges. This would either mean that some good hero ideas possibly come to use depending on how the map will be going, or at least we have some new map to think of heroes for instead of 'just' dota.

Sclammerz · Dec 1, 2014

@Mr. ~Nightmare: So the second contest's theme will be Mythical creatures? Is witches and monsters are applicable?