The Idealists Challenge #1 "Light and Darkness"

Moy · Nov 6, 2014

A fairly simple contest where your hero ideas could be recognized and possibly realized in an actual game or could benefit others that would use your ideas. Anyone can join and anyone could win. All you have to do is to create a hero idea based on the theme. Any mapmaker can use the hero as long as they give credit to the author.

HERO CONCEPTS/IDEAS WILL BE BASED ON THE MAP:
DotA/DotA 2

I don't know if you would agree with this.

THEME: Light and Darkness
"While the theme is Light and Dark, you don't need to follow that theme blindly. 'Dark' is a very vague description and involves several other themes. A few examples would be:
Necromancy, Shadow Magic, Fel magic, Demonology, Twilight magic and so on.
This applies for Light spells as well."

READ THE RULES FIRST YOU LAZY BRAT

• No submission may violate any of the site rules.
• All entries must obey the theme.
• One Hero per contestant.
• All entries must be posted on the pastebin. Participants who are done must post the link of their entry via PM to the HOST.
• Posting WIPs or spoilers of your work directly (or revealing other authors) before the public voting has finished is strictly prohibited. Posting one will cause you to be disqualified. If you want to post WIPs of your work for whatever reason, send a link of your pastebin entry to the host and will be posted it anonymously in the contest thread.
• Your submission must be PM'ed to the host before the deadline
• Judges may not participate.
• All entries must have the following details

Required Details

» Hero Name

» Lore/History

» Damage Base

» Attack Range

» Attack Rate

» Projectile

» Defense Base

» Movement Speed

» Attributes

» 4 Unique Spells

• The poll is the first to be executed with all the entries. The entry's author will be anonymous during the poll.
• The top 6 (depending on the no. of participants) with the highest poll votes will be judged by our judges. The author of the eliminated entries will then be revealed.
• The criteria for judging is below:

SYNERGY	How does the abilities work together?	15pts
BALANCE	Does the hero comply with the balancing of the chosen Warcraft 3 map?	20pts
CREATIVITY	Was the hero original and creative? Did the author used appropriate icons or graphics?	10pts
BLIZZARD FEELING	Does the concept can be implemented fully on a Warcraft 3 map?	20pts
THEME	Did the hero represented the contest theme?	25pts
PRESENTATION	How was the concept presented? Are the abilities can be understood well?	10pts
TOTAL		100pts

• The winner shall be known with judges’ total average score.
• After the winner has been proclaimed the other entries’ authors will also be revealed.

The contest starts on November 7 and will conclude on November 21

Moy · Nov 6, 2014

ENTRIES
I'm too lazy for bbcodes

Entry Name

Status

Ausfang, Lightguard

FINISHED

Daniela, the Holy Mage

FINISHED

Dr. Aether, Electromagnetic Radiation Controlling Machine

FINISHED

Emotion, the Nameless

FINISHED

Jollinar, the Tainted Zealot

FINISHED

Lafos, Blood Knight

FINISHED

Svernos, the Sky Forger

FINISHED

Thero, the Undefined

FINISHED

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First Place - 20 reputation points
Second Place - 15 reputation points
Third Place - 10 reputation points
Participants - 5 reputation points

Mythic
sentrywiz

No. of participants (right now): 8

Hero Template

HTML:

[CENTER][TABLE][tr][TD][CENTER][COLOR="Seagreen"](Insert username/hero name here) : (Insert hero name here)[/COLOR][/CENTER][/TD][/tr][tr][TD]
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Hero Model:[/COLOR] *(Can be an import as long as it does not exceed 200kb)
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Hero Icon:[/COLOR](If you have an imported model but without an icon, I will use either an ingame icon or a screenshot icon)
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Other Models Stuff:[/COLOR] (Would you like to attach sumthing to it? or tint it?)
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Hero Range:[/COLOR] *(Example : 125 (Melee) or 700(Range))
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Hero Projectile:[/COLOR] (If your hero is ranged)
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Hero Lore:[/COLOR] * (Any number of characters as long as it's not a sentence nor a novel.)
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Hero Sound Set:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Damage Base:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Attack Cooldown:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Defense Base:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Attributes[/COLOR] (All three must not be below 10 or over 25 and indicate it's main attribute) 
Strength-
Intelligence-
Agility-
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Movement Speed Base:[/COLOR] (250 - 310)
[COLOR="Palegreen"]Spells:[/COLOR] * (4 spells : 3 normal with 4 levels and 1 ulti with 3 levels) (Add Manacost, Cooldown, if applicable)
[CENTER][tabs]
[tab][tabheader][COLOR="SeaGreen"]First Skill[/COLOR][/tabheader]---Insert spell 1 here---[/tab]

[tab][tabheader][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Second Skill[/COLOR][/tabheader]---Insert spell 2 here---[/tab]

[tab][tabheader][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Third Skill[/COLOR][/tabheader]---Insert spell 3 here---[/tab]

[tab][tabheader][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Fourth Skill[/COLOR][/tabheader]---Insert spell 4 here---[/tab]

[/tabs][/CENTER][/TD][/tr][/TABLE][/CENTER]

(Insert username/hero name here) : (Insert hero name here)

Hero Model: *(Can be an import as long as it does not exceed 200kb)
Hero Icon:(If you have an imported model but without an icon, I will use either an ingame icon or a screenshot icon)
Other Models Stuff: (Would you like to attach sumthing to it? or tint it?)
Hero Range: *(Example : 125 (Melee) or 700(Range))
Hero Projectile: (If your hero is ranged)
Hero Lore: * (Any number of characters as long as it's not a sentence nor a novel.)
Hero Sound Set:
Damage Base:
Attack Cooldown:
Defense Base:
Attributes (All three must not be below 10 or over 25 and indicate it's main attribute)
Strength-
Intelligence-
Agility-
Movement Speed Base: (250 - 310)
Spells: * (4 spells : 3 normal with 4 levels and 1 ulti with 3 levels) (Add Manacost, Cooldown, if applicable)

First Skill

Second Skill

Third Skill

Fourth Skill

---Insert spell 1 here---

---Insert spell 2 here---

---Insert spell 3 here---

---Insert spell 4 here---

YOU MUST PM YOUR PASTEBIN LIKE THIS: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=o2rlaa

Chaosy · Nov 6, 2014

I have started to work on my entry. I will create a hybrid of sorts, wont reveal more yet x)

I'd love to be a judge too.. but then I can't join.. damn the struggle.

edit: also are we allowed to give criticism to posted entires? or do that count as cheating?

Moy · Nov 6, 2014

Yes you are allowed to criticize other entries. I want to join, but I'm the host or maybe I can judge.. What should I do?

Chaosy · Nov 6, 2014

Personally I'd say it's ok to join unless you really need an extra judge. But even then, I wouldn't say you're forced to judge. You should be free to join.

edit:
My entry starts to get shape. ~~I need a few icons~~ and I am pretty much done. (I have not added mana cost and cooldown yet though)

my lore part is 450 characters is that a lot? o-o

GreeN!X · Nov 7, 2014

YAy, you kept the anonymous thingy. I'll join. This shall be my break from the joint concept contest thingy.

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

Yay! I want to join! :3

But if I'm the host and I'm a contestant too, I can see your entries O_O

Also, on your pastebin entry make sure to give the whole bbcode, since if I will link your entry here they will see who made that paste.

Templassassin · Nov 7, 2014

i will join!

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

5 contestants

EDIT:
Read the rules carefully guys!

Dreadwing · Nov 7, 2014

Looks interesting

But I'm not sure want to join or not...

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

Just try. I'll help you out if you need something :3

Chaosy · Nov 7, 2014

edit: entry removed due request from the host

edit: to answer the bellow post.

Chaosy said:
It might inspire people. additionally I might get feedback. I will PM the final version though.

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

Please be advised that all your entries must be pm'ed to the host.

EDIT:
The AUTHOR of anyone's entry must be anonymous before or during the poll.

Dreadwing · Nov 7, 2014

~Nightmare said:
Just try. I'll help you out if you need something :3

Yeah but I have some question and problems :

Question : Are custom resource allowed? (Models, Skins, and Icons)

Problems :
1. I can't make lore. But I try...
2. I moved to new apartment. And I don't have WiFi... In other words My phone its lag without WiFi)
3. My dad thinks Hiveworkshop is a game + I cannot play game in Mon-Friday
(Dad : Hiveworkshop? Its a game community right? What is the difference between game

Me : OF COURSE ITS DIFFERENT!!! :ogre_rage:

)

But I still want to join :grin:

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

Question : Are custom resource allowed? (Models, Skins, and Icons)

Yes. You can even use concept arts or any art that can represent your hero.

1. I can't make lore. But I try...

It doesn't need to be a novel. Write and write on your notebook until you got the lore you want.

2. I moved to new apartment. And I don't have WiFi... In other words My phone its lag without WiFi)

Load an internet promo on your mobile carrier/network.

3. My dad thinks Hiveworkshop is a game + I cannot play game in Mon-Friday

Tomorrow is weekend. You still have time though.

But I still want to join

Then Join

Dreadwing · Nov 7, 2014

Thanks (Maybe) Problem Solved!

~Nightmare said:
Then Join

Okay then...
This is first time I entered contest but...
Can I join?

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

Yes. Read the rules.

GreeN!X · Nov 7, 2014

Hey, ~nightmare, can you add the template in the OP, it's kinda annoying having to visit my old project for the template. =3=

Moy · Nov 7, 2014

lol Okay

I've come up with an idea

Razer!X · Nov 8, 2014

I'd like to join. Still coming up with an idea.

Moy · Nov 8, 2014

There are now 2 entries.

Mine's still a WIP.

Sclammerz · Nov 9, 2014

Joining, maybe.

Edit: I already joined here.

Zed · Nov 9, 2014

Joining.

Moy · Nov 9, 2014

3 entries they're WIPS I think

jopi · Nov 9, 2014

joining, I'm quite done already, gonna send a WIP once I found out the right way to send the BBCode ^^

Chaosy · Nov 9, 2014

Just gonna throw some quick feedback on the entries that exist.

Ausfang, Lightguard - Hard to judge in the unfinished state. But personally I really think the lore part could be better.

Dr. Aether, Electromagnetic Radiation Controlling Machine - This one stands out quite a bit. I don't think it suits the contest theme since.. yes it's all bright looking spells, but it's scientific light which doesn't really suit in the wc3 theme. Note that the heroes should be bases on the DotA map, I don't think there is a single hero that got that kind of concept. (I might be wrong)

But for the sake of concept, it's 10/10 in uniqueness.

Thera, the Undefined - really like this one, however I would love to know how she got possessed by a demon. With other words extend the lore part.

Note that you should not reply directly to this post since that will give away who the author for the entry is.

Dreadwing · Nov 9, 2014

WIP...

Moy · Nov 9, 2014

You shocked me, your quite done

This is going to be tough. We need one more judge

So guys, you agree with the deadline?

Chaosy · Nov 9, 2014

That's plenty of time.

Man, I wish I could judge and enter the contest at the same time x)

Moy · Nov 9, 2014

But you can't

Who's gonna host next time ?
It's hardwork and I have classes with tough schedule

Sclammerz · Nov 9, 2014

So Chaosy is a judge?

Chaosy · Nov 9, 2014

no! I am just giving tips!

Sclammerz · Nov 9, 2014

Oh, so you're joining too?

Chaosy · Nov 9, 2014

Yup. Sent my wip already.

Sclammerz · Nov 10, 2014

Oh, I thought you were a judge cause you know. You give criticism greatly.

GreeN!X · Nov 10, 2014

Man good thing I didn't select the Light + Dark Themed thing. Way too many people doing that. :/

My comments on the entries:

Thera: I already like this one because of her name. I like its ulti. Pretty unique. ^^

Ausfang: Isn't the Sun ray weakness a Vampire thing? And werewolve's weakness are silver things? Despite that, it's a prety nice hero. GJ.

Dr. Aether: Since it's a DOTA themed or fitted contest, the Innate skills are kinda ruining it. Try and change that thing.

Emotion: Since it's light themed (including the spells), I am not so sure why this entry is focused on emotions. The only thing that matches the theme is the spell's icons.

Jollinar: I like how its powers depends on the time of the day. Just like Night Stalker where he gains power at night.

That's all I can say about the entries today since they're still in a WIP state. I'll continue working on mine. ^^

Moy · Nov 10, 2014

Thera > there is a Hera HAHA, your past name.

Chaosy · Nov 10, 2014

~Nightmare said:
Thera > there is a Hera HAHA, your past name.

Coincidence? I think not.

Thera + Hera = 9 characters

9 / 3 = 3

Half Life 3 confirmed!

Moy · Nov 10, 2014

It's a coincidence I think

Edit:
New entry updates.

Dreadwing · Nov 10, 2014

Gah, my hero was restarted because my parents closed my pasyebin when I was saving!!!
So, Every thing i did was lost!
Now I must rewrite again!!! :ogre_rage:

Moy · Nov 10, 2014

Don't worry, the deadline's far.

there are two more participants who had not yet sent their wip

Sclammerz · Nov 10, 2014

Who me?

Moy · Nov 10, 2014

We really need one more judge.
Good Luck guys, may the best entry win

Sclammerz · Nov 10, 2014

Yeah, there should be atleast 2-3 judge.

Moy · Nov 11, 2014

Notify me via PM if I miss your entry in the list

EDIT:
Added new updates and entries. Please give your criticisms.

jopi · Nov 12, 2014

ok, let's start:

Thero: well the Undefined seems to become more defined (ba-dum-tsss, please forgive me, I had to...) I like the model change. Skills are also nice, but I'm somehow missing when, which aura is activated (or is it ment to be toggleable, if so, maybe change that so it's clear). Another point is, though I like how the spell itself works the idea of a "voodoo doll" just does not fit the rest of the hero IMO, so here a simple effect/name change might be the way to go. And some insight: since the last big dota updates Aghanim's upgrades tend to add special effects, not just change values of the spell, e.g Lions ult gets AoE, earthsplitter disarms and so on. So a second interaction might be interesting.

Lafos: ok, first innate spells are not common in dota (though there are some e.g. earth spirit), and here there are even two of them (well they can actually be merged into one or even into the 4 active spells with some tinkering, so this is actually some critics on format). What I mind most on the hero are his two passive spells yes, there are heroes in dota with 2 or even 3 passive spells ... WK, but IMO they tend to be pretty boring, this doesn't mean bad, please don't get me wrong on that. I think on the base of a blood knight there would be a lot of potential for intense, ability packed gameplay. At the moment I see a right-click mashine with a jump on lvl 6. but as I said, still a legit and fitting hero.

I will comment on the other heroes once I've read something more into them.

yupatck · Nov 13, 2014

Wonder who's gonna win this contest

Templassassin · Nov 13, 2014

yupatck said:
Wonder who's gonna win this contest

give critics ... :ogre_haosis:

Moy · Nov 13, 2014

He will join, maybe.

Templassassin · Nov 13, 2014

my hero still dont get any critics

The Idealists Challenge #1 "Light and Darkness"

First Skill

Second Skill

Third Skill

Fourth Skill

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