You've got to be kidding me -.-

[~Void~]

Wow. This is the worst modification to the chat ever. Seriously, I don't see any point in this feature, and it's really annoying. It makes it very hard to have a conversation, and it's frustrating to have to type out your messages again and wait 10 seconds to say them.

Remove this now, please. -.-"

 

[Steel_Stallion]

"You are talking the ears off of these people, please talk slower"

Since when do people read with their ears?

 

[Kwah]

Erm, that is kind of fail if its a conversation between two fast typers. Perhaps something that limits the # of posts you can make in a row.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Just talk slower, everyone has the same limit. It gives the chat a reasonable pace to follow and keeps users from spamming quite effectively (It saved us a lot of pain last night during the American elections). You can retrieve your lost messages by hitting Control+Z, too, so there's really no problem.

 

[Ash]

I don't like it, but there again I'm banned for the next 55 days so I don't really have much say in that matter

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Just talk slower, everyone has the same limit. It gives the chat a reasonable pace to follow and keeps users from spamming quite effectively (It saved us a lot of pain last night during the American elections). You can retrieve your lost messages by hitting Control+Z, too, so there's really no problem.

Talk slower.. Lol, perhaps worst solution.
Make the thing go away, it [Censored] me off to. Its annoying, and theres no reason to make people talk slower.

 

[The Last Istari]

Agreed, it really is pointless. I am an extremely fast typer, this just constantly screws me.

Honestly, who gave Ralle this idea? It wasn't very good.

 

[Squiggy]

I don't like it, but there again I'm banned for the next 55 days so I don't really have much say in that matter

tru dat

 

[Ash]

Actually, I'd like to point out the irony of this idea. Whilst most users, like myself, try to keep things on one line, most of Ralle's quotes -- and general conversations within the chat -- span more than one line, and are sent rather quickly, too.

I can understand that it's an attempt to keep the spam down, but I think we should attempt to look for alternate solutions, if any.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Ralle's chat is limited just like ours is, so I don't see where you get off soloing him out in this regard. In any case, this is something that doesn't impede chat if you take a reasonable amount of time to think before you speak. God knows we all could use to do that more often than we do presently.

 

[Grim]

I suggest we remove it...

 

[brad.dude03]

Hi. I think better moderation would beat out a dumb system like this any day.

Because you're too lazy to solve the problem based around our lack of chat moderators, you developed this idiotic system that hinders those who genuinely want to hold a quick conversation.

By infringing on the rights of the rule-abiding you manage to cut down those who don't. But at what cost?

 

[The Last Istari]

By infringing on the rights of the rule-abiding you manage to cut down those who don't. But at what cost?

Freedom, Intelligence, Enjoyment, Trust, and any hope for quick conversations??

To be honest, I'd rather have some nutcase spamming "PENIS" over and over again with no mods than what we have now. No, I'm being completely serious. At least you can ignore the nutcase. You can't ignore this.

 

[Devine]

tru dat.
I visit the chat for at least 1 hour a day ... and sometimes it really pisses me off (i mean the 'talk slower' thingy) However i have no complains about the moderation there .. .

 

[brad.dude03]

Well, that's the reason for this system. Recently we've been having some spam and flamestorm issues in chat, so this system was put in place to try and moderate the chat without having to make moderators actually do their jobs.

I really wish the Chat Mod's Tavern was still around so that we could discuss shit like this before it gets implemented >.>

 

[Elenai]

This is rather annoying, considering that the majority of us are relatively fast typers, and tend to use more than one line.

I myself am guilty of this to a certain extent, and we can't exactly change our habits in mere seconds, especially after being veered off course into a rather slow blockade.

I think that this should be removed, or at the least modified to allow some decent typing to occur.

This is probably going to go on the list of disliked/failed chat modifications. The worst of which, being the "rep" filter, and "gay" filter.

 

[Sabertooth]

Please, remove it.

 

[Hawkwing]

It is rather annoying. And I agree, it might be a good idea if it was removed. Or perhaps if the chat moderators could toggle it if the chatroom gets spammed.
But until it's changed or removed try to put as much text in to one message at a time. For example. Instead of this:

[16-00-29]

Hawkwing: Well
[16-00-36]

Hawkwing: It's not that you are a moron
[16-00-49] You are talking the ears off these people. Please talk slower.
[16-00-59]

Hawkwing: It's just that your intelligence really lacks
[16-01-06] You are talking the ears off these people. Please talk slower.
[16-01-16]

Hawkwing: And you act very immature in the forums.

Type something like this:

[16-00-29]

Hawkwing: Well, it's not that you are a moron.
[16-00-42]

Hawkwing: It's just that your intelligence really lacks and you act very immature in the forums.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Because you're too lazy to solve the problem based around our lack of chat moderators, you developed this idiotic system that hinders those who genuinely want to hold a quick conversation.

We could hand out chat moderation powers to everyone, but wait, not everyone can be on at all times! Hot damned, what a crazy idea! Bet you didn't see that one coming, did'ja? But seriously, even if we handed out more positions, this would still be an issue.

We can increase the 'spam blocker' to one more tick per time frame, which would likely fix all of your problems and still achieve the effect we wanted. It's something that must be tested and calibrated, and perhaps the preliminary tests indicate that it could use to have a slightly higher threshold.

Well, that's the reason for this system. Recently we've been having some spam and flamestorm issues in chat, so this system was put in place to try and moderate the chat without having to make moderators actually do their jobs.

I really wish the Chat Mod's Tavern was still around so that we could discuss shit like this before it gets implemented >.>

That would have changed nothing, this sort of testing would still be necessary and either the spam filter would be useless or too vicious regardless if a bunch of staff members could have bickered about it first or not. Be realistic, Brad.

Now chill, the lot of you. We'll tweak it, but we're not removing it.

 

[brad.dude03]

As long as you tweak it so that it doesn't interfere with normal conversation I'm fine.

 

[Sabertooth]

Agreed with brad, but right now it's just an unnecessary annoyance. I honestly felt it was fine before this silly change. It's not like it stops the "alternate D:" spamming or anything like that, either.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

It's not like it stops the "alternate D:" spamming or anything like that, either.

Yes, it does actually. Anyways, we'll play with it when the opportunity arises.

 

[The Last Istari]

I disagree Rising_Dusk, this is pretty much teaching people to completely forget about the IGNORE command.

Spammers getting to you? IGNORE THEM!!! It's not that freaking difficult.

/ignore username

Now was that so hard?

It's a useless feature that needs to go.

 

[Kwah]

No. I disagree there. It would be a pain to ignore 80% of the people in the chat.

 

[The Last Istari]

It wouldn't even be 80%.

Does the chat get spammy from time to time? Yes, it does, but not usually. As far as I'm concerned, this system wasn't implemented until last night while everyone was celebrating Obama's election which of course, would lead to a bit of overreaction, hell even I went a bit overboard.

Besides, if it's for convenience, then why the hell isn't there a "Don't show me this page again" option for the chat rule page? I don't think I need to be reminded everytime I go to chat.

 

[Kwah]

The chat is, in general, s-p-a-m.

Typing in longer sentences is not going to kill you.

 

[The Last Istari]

The chat is, in general, s-p-a-m.

Ok, seeing as you're so determined to get rid of spam, remove the entire chat. Good riddance.

Typing in longer sentences is not going to kill you.

It won't, true. But it's incredibly annoying when you're trying to juggle multiple conversations.

 

[Sabertooth]

Seriously, this thing only does it's job once in awhile. However, if there was a way to turn it on/off, and it was only used in very spammy situations, then yes I support the feature because it's not a hassle all the time anymore.

 

[The Last Istari]

Agreed, I wouldn't hate this piece of garbage feature if it didn't go off every other post. It's damning the many because of the actions of the few.

The solution is simple. Just make it so it silences you for an hour if you post 10 lines in very rapid succession, like 45 seconds.

 

[Vegavak]

Does this mean that all those kids roleplaying vampires, werewolves, or whatever bullshit, will take more time to pretend they're biting someone?

 

[The Last Istari]

Does this mean that all those kids roleplaying vampires, werewolves, or whatever bullshit, will take more time to pretend they're biting someone?

Nice, way to base that entire argument on crap that never happens in the chat. You really like acting like you're all adult-like and everyone else is a bunch of immature brats, don't you?

I spend a lot of time in chat, and NOT ONCE have I ever seen crap like that going on. People who do tend to do that keep it to themselves most of the time or take it somewhere else, I've never seen it in chat, you're just grasping at straws.

 

[Vegavak]

Nice, way to base that entire argument on crap that never happens in the chat. You really like acting like you're all adult-like and everyone else is a bunch of immature brats, don't you?

I spend a lot of time in chat, and NOT ONCE have I ever seen crap like that going on. People who do tend to do that keep it to themselves most of the time or take it somewhere else, I've never seen it in chat, you're just grasping at straws.

Lets not grasp at the concept of time zones, or active hours.

Aggressively coming at me because you've never seen something that I have sounds like a much better idea.

 

[The Last Istari]

Ok, show it to me. Show me these vampire and werewolves roleplaying thing you say is so prominent.

And honestly, make sure it's believable, I know all about just typing up a few lines of chat and saying it came straight from chat.

 

[PurplePoot]

The vampire thing was actually pretty funny, though I've only ever seen it once. Also, they likely wouldn't've hit the spam cap with regards to this filter.

 

[Vegavak]

Ok, show it to me. Show me these vampire and werewolves roleplaying thing you say is so prominent.

And honestly, make sure it's believable, I know all about just typing up a few lines of chat and saying it came straight from chat.

If we both spend time in the chat room, but never see each other, does that mean one of us doesn't exist? I hope you can see the errors of your 'thinking'.

Consider yourself lucky that Poot arrived before I had submitted my response, as I was aiming to make you feel all the more stupid for saying the things you said.

 

[PurplePoot]

I'd say this is ideal as a temporary measure until moderation in the chat is self-sufficient, and spam can be judged by a human and not an algorithm. Until then, it's fine (to me anyhow, talking on wc3 for years has gotten me used to anti-flood), at least assuming Ralle makes it so that your message isn't lost if it fails to be sent the first time (as you can often lose a lot of text that way).

 

[SuPa-]

LULZ I R SO KEWL I KAN KUM UP WIT WITTEE RET0RTZ

Wow. This is the worst modification to the chat ever. Seriously, I don't see any point in this feature, and it's really annoying. It makes it very hard to have a conversation, and it's frustrating to have to type out your messages again and wait 10 seconds to say them.

Remove this now, please. -.-"

I just skimmed through this argument, so pardon any misinterpretations

What the FUCK does people talking about pretending to be vampires in chat have ANYTHING to do with this post?

 

[PurplePoot]

Because this may or may not prevent them from pretending to be a vampire in chat and thus spamming it up, or at least that's how I understand it.

The vampires thing was pretty funny though, really.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

What's wrong with roleplaying? As stupid as it may be, it doesn't have anything to do with the situation now.

Also, quick suggestion: Keep the system, okay, but at least tell use in the error message that we can recover our message by pressing CTRL-Z.

 

[Vegavak]

I was implying that even vampire roleplay chat would take longer with the new chat message limit. It kind of flew over all of your heads.

And Istari just has a thumb up his butt.

 

[The Last Istari]

If we both spend time in the chat room, but never see each other, does that mean one of us doesn't exist? I hope you can see the errors of your 'thinking'.

I'd have also heard of this if I wasn't around, you'd be surprised at how much people gossip about each other in chat. Not to mention I see you quite often in chat so naturally, I would've most likely been around for this. Chat is usually not as chaotic as you make it out to be.

Consider yourself lucky that Poot arrived before I had submitted my response, as I was aiming to make you feel all the more stupid for saying the things you said.

Making me feel stupid? I'd like to see you try, seeing as your responses are almost always "LOL IMMATURE TEENAGERS DOIN' ST00F I R T3H ADULTZORZ" on discussions about the site.

Oh, and I see that you've yet to back up your claims of this crap happening. So it's just your word against mine.

EDIT:

And Istari just has a thumb up his butt.

Better than having my entire head up my ass like you do.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Does this mean that all those kids roleplaying vampires, werewolves, or whatever bullshit, will take more time to pretend they're biting someone?

Lets not grasp at the concept of time zones, or active hours.

OMG WHAT TIME GMT-7????!!!11

Anyways, you do seem to be implying that it happens often.

AND WHAT TIME GMT-7??!?!???11

 

[PurplePoot]

WILL, the vampire roleplay was spammy. Really spammy.

The entire chat window was green, pretty much.

And Istari, there are certain times of day when the chat is pretty bad, generally late at night when there is no moderation and yet still a significant amount of users, or the middle of the day.

 

[SuPa-]

I was implying that even vampire roleplay chat would take longer with the new chat message limit. It kind of flew over all of your heads.

And Istari just has a thumb up his butt.

Because this statement totally makes sense.

 

[PurplePoot]

It does make sense. You can't flood the chat with vampire roleplay when it's telling you you're talking the ears off people.

 

[The Last Istari]

Alright, Poot and Vegavak seem to say it is happening, I want to see this with my own eyes.

 

[PurplePoot]

The vampire roleplay just happened once (to my knowledge), if I may reiterate.

Most of the spam is more idiotic, smily spam, random LOLOL, caps, /me, weird "roleplay" if it can be called that, and so on.

 

[The Last Istari]

So it just happened once, and Vegavak's is acting like it happens all the time it seems.

 

[PurplePoot]

Indeed, but either way, that doesn't mean that spam doesn't exist just because the vampire roleplay only occured once.

However, human moderation is really ideal, so as soon as that can be achieved (though admittedly, it's easier said than done), it would be ideal if this were repealed. For now, just put up with it?

 

[Sabertooth]

I've seen it happen multiple times in the past, I vouch for them. =P