Lirch has to go

[Avator]

I think I will have a lot of support when saying that we don't want that bot Lirch anymore. Yesterday, Pyritie actually had his welcomes message changed to a whisper message to go to a poll in one of the threads in his disposed Hosted Project forum. This was just crossing the limit, so it's obvious that Lirch just has to be removed. There's absolutely no use for it besides being an annoying spammer, which I don't think is what we want or need in the chat.

 

[DarkAngelAzazel]

What is so bad about him=?!

I did not even know that he exists until I read this thread

 

[Pyritie]

I think I will have a lot of support when saying that we don't want that bot Lirch anymore. Yesterday, Pyritie actually had his welcomes message changed to a whisper message to go to a poll in one of the threads in his disposed Hosted Project forum. This was just crossing the limit, so it's obvious that Lirch just has to be removed. There's absolutely no use for it besides being an annoying spammer, which I don't think is what we want or need in the chat.

I put the poll in that forum because it was one I had moderation powers over. That's the only reason.

The poll itself was about award icon borders, which is a topic that affects a lot of people so I wanted to get as many votes on the poll as I could.

Lirch's welcome message is back to normal now, by the way.

 

[stefanstan95]

I love Lirch i always talk back to him when nobody seems interasted...

 

[wereguy2]

Lirch is fun ^^
Oh, and you should put on a poll

 

[stefanstan95]

Lirch is fun ^^
Oh, and you should put on a poll

why not.

 

[Pyramidhe@d]

i dont see what is so annoying about the lirch bot. its one bloody automated message for one person, taking up one line. how bad could it be?

 

[Avator]

DAA: He's the annoying bot on the chatroom that keeps bugging people with annoying messages and allows people to spam the chat with him.

Pyritie, that's no reason to let your bot lure people to your threads. That one might be removed now, but that bot is still an annoyance to many people and we have to ignore him every time we come online again. Also when the servers are down for a while and everyone rejoins, that makes him spam the entire chat with those stupid greetings.

stefan: If you talk to a bot when nobody is talking to you, you can also talk to nobody when there's no bot. Same result, same feeling.


This should make clear that Lirch is just useless and annoying.

 

[wereguy2]

Personally, I prefer Lirch's messages, simply because they are changeable ^^

 

[stefanstan95]

haha alright i will talk to nothing if Lirch is gone xD but i guess Pyritie made a mistake for making Lirch commercialize his posts.

 

[Pyritie]

Pyritie, that's no reason to let your bot lure people to your threads.

Sure it is. I would put it in SE but I didn't want two threads about the same thing in there.

That one might be removed now, but that bot is still an annoyance to many people and we have to ignore him every time we come online again. Also when the servers are down for a while and everyone rejoins, that makes him spam the entire chat with those stupid greetings.

His earliest log is from the 30th of June last year. If he's already gone a year, why stop now? People obviously like lirch enough for him to still be there.

stefan: If you talk to a bot when nobody is talking to you, you can also talk to nobody when there's no bot. Same result, same feeling.

Lirch used to have AI by the way. Ralle made me remove it because it was getting too spammy.

It was quite hilarious for a while though. xD

 

[Zombie]

I personally don't have a problem with Lirch, besides the fact that it's completely useless, just like the Something Else forum. Since a lot of users find it fun, I do not wish to go against it.

 

[wereguy2]

Lirch used to have AI by the way.

O_O.

 

[Avator]

People just don't post problems like this quickly. That's no proof that people like Lirch. I keep hearing people that Lirch is irritating and that they ignore him every time they come online.
And I know about the AI. Even though that was removed, the bot is still here causing nothing but trouble. And by trouble I mean people who use Lirch as an excuse to spam the chat.

 

[wereguy2]

Personally, I have never found Lirch annoying in any way

 

[Avator]

I didn't start this thread to be spammed within 5 minutes, wereguy. Keep that in mind.

 

[Pyritie]

People just don't post problems like this quickly. That's no proof that people like Lirch. I keep hearing people that Lirch is irritating and that they ignore him every time they come online.

I dunno about you, but Lirch gets a lot of positive comments via VMs.

 

[wereguy2]

And this hasn't happened, I am merely expressing my point of view

 

[Avator]

Visitor messages on a bot are from people who are too stupid to realise it's pointless. Who the hell would post a message on the page of something that can't reply? That is called spam, which is exactly my point: Lirch causes spam.

 

[Zombie]

Entertainment. Yet again, explain the point of SE.

 

[Avator]

Well people go there by choice. On the chat, he have to ignore Lirch every time we log onto the chat, because the ignore list isn't saved for feature logins. If ignores are saved, I wouldn't be bothered unless people spam because of Lirch, without using Lirch...

 

[wereguy2]

VM spam isn't really spam at all...
I mean, it isn't actually negative in any way when done on Lirch's page.

 

[Zombie]

Well, ignoring it every time wouldn't make much sense, as the spammy welcome messages are all you have to face in 99% of the encounters, and I don't think anything besides Xarwin's welcome message bothers anyone.

Lirch is one of the many things that make no sense, but people like it. It's still better if people live out their spammy tendencies in Lirch's profile than in other users'.

 

[Avator]

Yes, but that's no reason to keep Lirch on the chat. Like I said before: When there's a server reset, everybody rejoins and the entire page is spammed with his retarded messages.

Also, there are a lot of annoying spamming welcomes messages. I got a list of those messages, so let me quote some:
^O_H^M_A^F_I^G
LEEEROOOOOOOOY JEEEENKIIIIIIINS
It smells like dead dads around these parts.... something fugly joined D:
Shp Da WP
GRABBIN PEELZ!!!
Please.. Someone, KILL me!..
Kaitech is a MILF
Tleno you motherfucker, don't do it again! And hai...

Not to mention that at least 10 people tried to nullify it by replacing with with a space.

 

[Pyritie]

Not to mention that at least 10 people tried to nullify it by replacing with with a space.

That's what ^welcome clear does. Stops Lirch from welcoming you.

 

[Avator]

And that doesn't ring a bell with you? It doesn't make you think "Why would people clear their welcomes messages?"?

 

[wereguy2]

Well overly spammy ones can easily be removed by Py.
And kharma's is awesome >8C

 

[Pyritie]

Some people want welcome messages, some people don't. If people want a welcome message they have that ability, and if they don't want one, there's the option to get rid of it.

Simples.

 

[Avator]

But still, everyone gets spammed with other people's stupid welcomes messages. And I'm not planning on ignoring that program of yours every time I log in just because others want to have their ego satisfied by giving them an imaginary friend.

 

[Zombie]

Yes, but that's no reason to keep Lirch on the chat. Like I said before: When there's a server reset, everybody rejoins and the entire page is spammed with his retarded messages.

Now, that is invalid because Pyritie set Lirch to greet people once per day. If an entire page rejoins due to a server error (which creates quite a large volume of spam itself), Lirch greets only people who weren't present before or didn't recieve a greeting.

^O_H^M_A^F_I^G
LEEEROOOOOOOOY JEEEENKIIIIIIINS
It smells like dead dads around these parts.... something fugly joined D:
Shp Da WP
GRABBIN PEELZ!!!
Please.. Someone, KILL me!..

Why are these offensive? Of course, setting greeting messages to spam is an option, but that can be limited. And such small values of spam usually occour with, or without a chatbot.

 

[Avator]

It's not. Pyritie set him to greet people once a day every time Lirch logs in. So if Lirch rejoins, he greets everyone again, which does cause a lot of spam.

Who's talking about offensive? It's spamming... That's what this entire thread is about.

If you say we should keep Lirch, just because spamming will happen, then you're missing the fact that you encourage people to spam with Lirch.
Let's say a building is burning and there are people inside. You know you can save half of them. Are you doing nothing because people are going to die anyway?

 

[HappyCockroach]

Why discussing the USE of everything?
I don't see any problem about Lirch.
If everything bothers you, go fishing. Maybe you won't come back that stressed out.

 

[Avator]

Because the USE of this thing is annoying. If you're only here to post that people shouldn't whine, don't whine in your post that people shouldn't whine.

 

[Zombie]

It's not. Pyritie set him to greet people once a day every time Lirch logs in. So if Lirch rejoins, he greets everyone again, which does cause a lot of spam.

Whatever. That does not change the fact that once the whole page gets filled with blue "x has joined the channel" messages and all the users go "OMG wut happend????", Lirch's welcome messages hardly increase the level of spam.

If you say we should keep Lirch, just because spamming will happen, then you're missing the fact that you encourage people to spam with Lirch.

That's not the case. I'm just saying it's better for people to live out their spam using Lirch (which also somewhat limits them) than doing it in public, so getting rid of the chat bot is not necessary. Even if this thread achieves anything (which I highly doubt), the volume of spam will not decrease. I don't see a problem with Lirch and I wouldn't bother if he disappeared either, but do you recall the last time when a decision to ban Lirch was made? Even more spam erupted.

Let's say a building is burning and there are people inside. You know you can save half of them. Are you doing nothing because people are going to die anyway?

It's more like I have a chance of saving at least one. Despite that, you seem to be aiming to save them all and look for a solution, but it turns out wrong and accidentally sets the neighbouring house on fire too. Seriously, this thread won't achieve anything besides more drama.

 

[Avator]

So people should spam the chat instead of the forums? That's not solving the problem, that's just moving it to some other place.

As for that burning building example: Ofcourse you try to save as many as possible. That was exactly my point. So if there's any chance to reduce spam by removing Lirch (which will be quite some chance), we should take it and not allow it because people are spamming anyway. By keeping Lirch, you just give people an excuse to spam and thus, you make it allowed and even encouraged.

 

[LiOneSS]

/ignore Lirch
all problems solved.

 

[Avator]

LiOneSS, for the love of god read the previous posts... In most of my posts I already made that very clear.

 

[Zombie]

What I'm saying is not that people have an excuse for spamming. If people spam, which they do with or without Lirch, let them live it out in the legal zone, just like with graffiti. I don't mind Lirch being banned though, but you'll see that it will only increase the level of spamming, as people adapted to the chat bot. Creating it was a bad idea, but it's too late to remove it.

I believe I made my point. This is just going in circles. This thread is just senseless dramaing about a senseless thing. Do not want.

 

[Eleandor]

Hai Lirch!

 

[Avator]

Graffiti is also not allowed for a reason.

And you just had the first visitor to cause spam because of Lirch in this thread. Eleandor: Remove your post.

 

[Pyritie]

Lirch isn't going anywhere, regardless of where this thread goes.

Let's say a building is burning and there are people inside. You know you can save half of them. Are you doing nothing because people are going to die anyway?

Also, this was a horrible analogy.


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[Avator]

That's not up to you to decide. Ralle and the global moderators are there to decide that. You're in control of models and tutorials, so this is out of your league.

 

[Pyritie]

We don't have any global moderators, per se.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Also this definitely is in my league, as I created Lirch.

 

[oh_snap]

Lirch has messaged three times the past 50 minutes. I should definitely ban him for spamming. [/sarcasm] Now, seriously, if you look at the volume Lirch actually messages greeting, it is far from spamming. And your argument of irrelevant messages is invalid. You realize I would have to kick about ~200 people a day for irrelevant messages?

~Snap

 

[Avator]

@Pyritie: But the bot is still part of this community, which does not belong to you. If you create a virus it belong to you, but it's not up to you to decide whether or not he's allowed to stay.

@oh_snap: If 200 people per day intentionally give annoying irrelevant messages per day, you indeed should.

 

[Deolrin]

What's so wrong about Lirch? He's a really cool bot. Does it bother you that much when someone welcomes you\some other person? If not, then it shouldn't bother you when Lirch is welcoming them.

 

[CMarket]

Indeed, debode is right. If a user enters the chat, he is usually greeted by Lirch, MasterHaosis and people who know that member. Should we ban them just because they greet somebody? Also Lirch can inform some users of the chat that the particular user has entered the chat, as some users, me being one of them, usually ignore the blue letters.

And aren't you taking it a bit too far? I mean, it's just a set of welcome message, in an irrelevant chat on the internet. Is it worth all of this?

 

[Devine]

It smells like dead dads around these parts.... something fugly joined D:

What's spammy bout that? D:
http://widget.mibbit.com/manager/
Create your own chat and moderate it yourself. There will be no lirch, I promise.

Lirch is useless... people like to joke about it etc ... It's a bit like the

..
Do you want to take away the nooblolz? What kind of a person are you? D:

 

[knight26]

Lirch is a good dragon.. how dare you say we should remove him :'( ...
LOL srsly i think he's fine

 

[D a w n]

Lirch is the most awesome dragon bot I know and should start where he is