Your Political Profile

[trolman]

problem maghteri?

Who said i was for any of that riot?

 

[RiotZ]

If you are an Authoritarian you had to have checked something of the nature.

Sterilization for the genetically unfit, governmental control over local agencies and large businesses, I'd have to retake the quiz again to see what all of the Authoritarian questions are.

 

[trolman]

Well it would be better if the goverment had control over the large businesses not the other way around yeah.

 

[RiotZ]

The government shouldn't pull the strings, when that starts to happen, the money stops getting from the business to the people, and starts going straight to the government's questionable investments.

 

[Instant Ramen]

Well it would be better if the goverment had control over the large businesses not the other way around yeah.

This would just remove any incentive for the businesses to improve and serve the customer better.

 

[trolman]

So you guys really dont know how the big corporations are runing this world?

 

[PurplePoot]

This would just remove any incentive for the businesses to improve and serve the customer better.

Yes, because the free market is perfect and ideal, right? Private corporations totally wouldn't crash the economy just to make a few bucks, right?

Oh wait.

 

[RiotZ]

Yes, because the free market is perfect and ideal, right? Private corporations totally wouldn't crash the economy just to make a few bucks, right?

Oh wait.

No, that's not the problem, the problem is the government getting involved, funneling tax payer dollars into the bailout for companies that deserve to go bankrupt and start over again.

It doesn't matter if a company goes down the drain, and hurts the economy, it will recover, because someone will take their place, what hurts the economy is when you waste money trying to save the company, adding to your debt, for the purpose of delaying an inevitable event.

 

[PurplePoot]

No, that's not the problem, the problem is the government getting involved, funneling tax payer dollars into the bailout for companies that deserve to go bankrupt and start over again.

It doesn't matter if a company goes down the drain, and hurts the economy, it will recover, because someone will take their place, what hurts the economy is when you waste money trying to save the company, adding to your debt, for the purpose of delaying an inevitable event.

No, it's not about the company going down the drain and thus hurting the economy, it's the company profiting from hurting the economy.

In addition, yes, governmental oversight can screw up, but it can also do lots of great things too. To continue using the recent recession as an example, Canada was mostly hit due to the world economy being hit; our country's policies prevented bullshit like what went on in the US.

Also, people made more money than just from bailouts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Actions_in_the_2007.E2.80.932008_subprime_mortgage_crisis

 

[RiotZ]

No, it's not about the company going down the drain and thus hurting the economy, it's the company profiting from hurting the economy.

In addition, yes, governmental oversight can screw up, but it can also do lots of great things too. To continue using the recent recession as an example, Canada was mostly hit due to the world economy being hit; our country's policies prevented bullshit like what went on in the US.

Also, people made more money than just from bailouts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Actions_in_the_2007.E2.80.932008_subprime_mortgage_crisis

Well, the economy is a complex organism, that will probably not be understood properly by the likes of you and I.

 

[PurplePoot]

Well, the economy is a complex organism, that will probably not be understood properly by the likes of you and I.

It really isn't that complicated:

Companies exist to make money. If they can make the most money by abusing government regulations, they will (1950s McCarthyism). If they can make the most money by gross bullshit they can pull off due to lack of government oversight, they will (hello industrial revolution).

Ultimately, it boils down to the fact that companies need to be regulated by the government to prevent indiscriminate profiteering at the expensive of the rest of the world, and the government needs to be regulated by its population to prevent corruption. However, it should tell you something that corruption in government looks very similar to business as usual in a corporation; we call corruption in government acting too much like a for-profit organization.

 

[Instant Ramen]

So you guys really dont know how the big corporations are runing this world?

They run the world with the guns of the government.

It really isn't that complicated:

Companies exist to make money. If they can make the most money by abusing government regulations, they will (1950s McCarthyism). If they can make the most money by gross bullshit they can pull off due to lack of government oversight, they will (hello industrial revolution).

Clarify on your point with the Industrial Revolution, please.

 

[trolman]

Atleast the goverment changes and we have a bit of control over it,the big coroprations however. are impossible to deal with.Did occupy wallstreet really do anything?

 

[Rui]

I think that will depend on how parties work and overall quality of politicians.

 

[General_Anon]

Right where I want to be.
Sorry I'm late.
http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.75&soc=-5.08

EDIT: Corporations are in fact running the government, not the world necessarily. This is simply because there is no regulation against the corporations and lobbying and whatnot, and due to the fact that they are capable of keeping the population blind with material shit we don't need in the first place. Simply, they can't do anything more than what we let them do; people don't understand what's going on.

 

[Ash]

I don't understand all this conspiracy tripe about the corporations running the Government or how, at heart, corporations are bad. The problem is the Government.

Humankind is inherently greedy -- to be slightly more melodramatic, greed has struck our souls -- and so by our very nature we are out for our own benefit. Because of this, I do not want a government that has the power to tell me what I should and shouldn't do, can penalise me for doing things against its own interests and can promote things that I do not personally want to support: The government has a monopoly of force against the individual.

When you remove the government from the picture, then you remove this. Couple this with the fact that these big mean corporations that only have their own interests at heart are voluntarily supported by the consumer, then you approach absolute self-ownership. You are free to donate to charities, support healthcare systems and aid out whoever you want in the ways that you want. And I am free not to support your views if you don't agree with mine.

Whether or not you would respect that, though, is a completely different question.

 

[Instant Ramen]

Atleast the goverment changes and we have a bit of control over it,the big coroprations however.

If I don't like the system that claims authority over me and refuse to comply with its demands for my property/money, then agents acting on its behalf will attempt to either kill me or lock me in a cage. "Choice" within this paradigm is akin to a hostage pleading with their captor whether to be beaten, stabbed or shot.

If I don't but a product that a business produces, they either reform their practices or improve/modify their product, or go out of business.

 

[PurplePoot]

Clarify on your point with the Industrial Revolution, please.

Working conditions therein.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

I don't understand all this conspiracy tripe about the corporations running the Government or how, at heart, corporations are bad. The problem is the Government.

You've no idea how big connections there are between the large corps and the gov. Especially when the one sponsors the other one... So big corporations aren't your good guys.

 

[Ash]

You've no idea how big connections there are between the large corps and the gov. Especially when the one sponsors the other one... So big corporations aren't your good guys.

I wasn't saying that isn't the case, but what I am saying is that the solution is the removal of the Government, not more sanctions to prevent them from doing things. We should voluntarily support corporations, not be forced to voluntarily support them. Under mob rule, this isn't the case.

 

[trolman]

We can fight the goverment but we cant fight the gas companies.They make a shitload of money of our backs and infact attempt to discourage the search for alternatives because they'll lose money.The Goverment is a slave to the corporations, Sadam wanted to change the currentsy from dolar to euro.They killed him because they would lose money (nukes my ass there was obviously nothing yet they still did it) and not just Sadam but hundreds of thousainds. Same thing happened with Kadafi.He wanted to change from $ to gold,they kill him claiming that his goverment was evil yet somehow Libya was even better than south africa. Its just total pornography what they are doing for us and thats why im an anarchist dreaming of a new authorian moraly correct undiscriminating goverment.But maybe im just a fool gazing at the stars at night,angry at the world for what it did to me...

Also Ramen do you happen to own a large corporation or over 4 properties?

 

[RiotZ]

Its just total pornography

I believe the word you are looking for is "Bullshit."

 

[trolman]

but bullshit can be used as a fertiliser so its usefull...

 

[RiotZ]

but bullshit can be used as a fertiliser so its usefull...

And Pornography can be used to masturbate. I don't see where we're going with this analogy.

 

[trolman]

But when you're done you just click the X or change the channel and maybe feel dirty. Thats what pornography is,it's a cheap exploit of basic animal needs which replace the human things like morality and law just for the cash.And once they find it, their effords to obtain more become greater. Basicly with this post i wanted to explain my own view of the word which is not only stricted to Adult movies but also a wide range of topics... (like how they never reduce the hours in my school, or politics,that 3rd Inferno mission in HoMM5 or how the bastards of Blizzard treated poor old Garithos...)

 

[Deolrin]

that 3rd Inferno mission in HoMM5

Holy shit, the one where you have like... No forces, and you're expected to take on a bunch of elves with like only one base? And there's druids spawning a bunch of Elven units everywhere as well?

...I know right?! I couldn't beat it either. I just uninstalled the game in rage after like 20 tries... :S

 

[Ash]

Okay guys. There I was, enjoying this topic, having some cool banter and then ALL OF A SUDDEN TROLMAN.

 

[Linaze]

Did the test that Rui posted.

Results

My Political Views
I am a center-right social moderate
Right: 2.65, Authoritarian: 0.03

Political Spectrum Quiz

I am traveling further and further right on the political when it comes to economical and market-related questions, and in combination with my rather conservative stance on certain moral questions the results are quite accurate, I suppose.

 

[RiotZ]

Okay guys. There I was, enjoying this topic, having some cool banter and then ALL OF A SUDDEN TROLMAN.

I'm really starting to like you.

 

[Instant Ramen]

Working conditions therein.

People chose to work 9-10 hour days in cramped factories because the alternative was 12+ hour jobs on the farm.

 

[Ham Ham]

I am a centrist. I always knew it.
http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-2.00&soc=-0.72

 

[PurplePoot]

People chose to work 9-10 hour days in cramped factories because the alternative was 12+ hour jobs on the farm.

Let's continue this discussion in the MT thread to avoid having two separate discussions on the same thing.

 

[HappyCockroach]

if I was to just choose one with which i agree the most i'd say i'm in the very liberal-left corner... the old post-modern paradox "everything should be tolerated except intolerance." - actually im for a world in which work force is channeled to guarantee minimal conditions for everyone, nobody gives a shit about anything that isn't of his own personal account, and education is free and non-religious and beautiful and vertiginous and increases divergent thinking so we have creative generations with smart solutions for our future, and art is free as long as it isn't explicitly and obviously aggressive, and people think and use empathy to figure out when something isn't the best thing to do. all harmful cultural stupidity should disappear.

war is absolutely pointless and zoophilia is alright. (animals can go away, or kick you if they're not enjoying it)

"I am a left moderate social libertarian - Left: 5.36, Libertarian: 3.2"

 

[Rui]

This is how the graphic looks so far:

It's been updated into the first post instead of the other post i've been linking for a while now.

Regarding... "philias", I think you'd expect humankind to maintain a bit of dignity.

 

[Shockwaver]

I took the test again and the result is:

Well, it looks like I'm a Anarchist/Communist or whatever.

For me the internet is mostly liberal - left cause entire internet is built on the idea of sharing and working together so normal users like me can submit their work to the society and get free stuff (like images from tinypic) in return.

 

[Rui]

Well people sure love the compass ._.'

That's an interesting way of viewing things, though, Shockwaver. I made mine thinking of the real world and not the digital one ;P I'd probably have selected a few different answers?

 

[Ash]

Well people sure love the compass ._.'

That's an interesting way of viewing things, though, Shockwaver. I made mine thinking of the real world and not the digital one ;P I'd probably have selected a few different answers?

Given that the internet is not a state-entity that can intervene in realworld crises, then the likelihood is that yes, you would have selected a few different answers.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Regarding... "philias", I think you'd expect humankind to maintain a bit of dignity.

dignity is cultural bullshit. i cant have laws that enforce my symbolic view of the world towards another symbolic view... (lol, i was actually serious about it)

 

[Shockwaver]

That's an interesting way of viewing things, though, Shockwaver. I made mine thinking of the real world and not the digital one ;P I'd probably have selected a few different answers?

Well. I answered questions about the real world, not the internet . My theory about the internet is just a addition to the post.

Well I like politicalcompass abit more.

 

[Rui]

Well, it looks like you and Realin obtained the exact same score.

EDIT: Mr.Goblin is a left social moderate. Left: 5.75, Libertarian: 0.96.

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NOTE TO READERS: The discussion below regarding zoophilia has been moved to a more appropriate thread: "Zoophilia, is it okay? — "Your Political Profile" TANGENT #1".

 

[Ash]

Hey guys remember the time we started a thread to discuss the measure used by The Political Compass and other websites of the same type but then we deviated a little bit into discussing Libertarianism and then deviated even further and started talking about zoophilia? I think we even talked about how there isn't a god, too.

Man, free-wheeling. It's good we don't have rules against this shit or anything; good times.

 

[Mr.Goblin]

My Political Views:I am a left social moderate
Left: 5.75, Libertarian: 0.96

Foreign Policy: On the left side are pacifists and anti-war activists. On the right side are those who want a strong military that intervenes around the world. You scored: -7.83
Culture: Where are you in the culture war? On the liberal side, or the conservative side? This scale may apply more to the US than other countries. You scored: -5.25



there ya go.. now leave me alone in the chat..

 

[SA Dashie]

meh.
My Political Views: I am a left social moderate
Left: 3.77, Libertarian: 0.69

 

[thuzad]

My Political Views:I am a right moderate social authoritarian
Right: 4.17, Authoritarian: 1.14

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/grid/28x18.gif

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

My Political Views

I am a left social moderate.
Left: 5.35, Libertarian: 0.03

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Foreign Policy:
On the left side are pacifists and anti-war activists. On the right side are those who want a strong military that intervenes around the world. You scored: -9.64

 

[sonofjay]

 

[trolman]

Why is everyone a hippie?

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Because being an idiot which starts a war over tears serves good to nobody.

 

[trolman]

I not talking about that, im talking about the Authoritorian(good clean people) vs Libertarian(dirty hippies).

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

I beg your pardon, but since when people who want to make everyone live by their rules are "good clean people", and people who vouch for freedom of choice and liberty overall, are "dirty hippies"?

Browse through Wiki a little, you'll be surprised what you can see. But again, everyone has it's opinion about one, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism