Zoophilia, is it okay? — "Your Political Profile" TANGENT #1

[PurplePoot]

I think that it's interesting that for all the moral outrage in this thread nobody has actually come up with a coherent argument for why it's wrong which is anything more complex than "because I said so".

 

[RiotZ]

I think that it's interesting that for all the moral outrage in this thread nobody has actually come up with a coherent argument for why it's wrong which is anything more complex than "because I said so".

I never said it was wrong, I just said, it was taboo, and I would never be interested in doing such a thing, help yourselves though.

Maybe this will put everyone's mind at rest on the issue, (taken directly from Wikipedia), I hope it doesn't outrage you all too much, but this is what we are talking about here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tako_to_ama_retouched.jpg

 

[trolman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tako_to_ama_retouched.jpg

Seems right...

 

[Firelord213]

I haven't really read many of the posts, or have any knowledge about having sex with animals. But one question is, whether the animals are consenting or not. Because if they are not, it would be rape and is therefore wrong.

IMO, intercourse with animals is not okeeh.

 

[PurplePoot]

I never said it was wrong, I just said, it was taboo, and I would never be interested in doing such a thing, help yourselves though.

I agree that it's taboo and I am personally not interested, but the interesting point here is that most people here think it is unquestionably wrong and yet are unable to provide any reason for it. Just because you personally are not interested in something and/or it's culturally considered taboo does not make it morally wrong.

I haven't really read many of the posts, or have any knowledge about having sex with animals. But one question is, whether the animals are consenting or not. Because if they are not, it would be rape and is therefore wrong.

IMO, intercourse with animals is not okeeh.

Why is it important to have animal consent in this case but not in any other case (forced labour, forced breeding for stuff like chickens producing eggs, killing them for food, etc)?

 

[Zombie]

Fuck it Zombie, now you're just playing the straw man. I usually think you bring insightful enough ideas to the table but this is a pretty pissy take on anything anyone's brought up in this thread.

That's because I didn't read the thread, since it's obvious to me that the whole topic just exists to argue over something, no matter how trivial, without any sound purpose.

I was not trying to argue with the thread, I was simply voicing my opinion over zoophilia and its worrisome future in law.

I like [...] you [...] and [...] that we're stripping [...]

I like how you took something out of context and responded accordingly.

I was saying that our emotions, values and rationality (among other things) make us what we are, humans and not animals, since these things are stuff that animals lack, but formulate our character. Since we are able to think, feel and create, and that we're driven by other things than instinct, we are different from any other race on this planet. We are able to make a distinction between instinct and feelings and we're unique in that regard.

By saying it's a trend to behave like animals, I'm trying to reflect on the fact that people are becoming tolerant of inhuman things mostly by arguing that the same behavior is found in nature, and that people attribute emotional things (such as xenophobia and intolerance) to socialization, and thus to rationality. That standpoint attacks socialization or civilization in general, which is strictly a human phenomenon, and no matter how much you try to rationalize it or disagree with me attributing rationality and emotions to humans only, civilization is ours only.

By my previous post, I was simply voicing my disagreement over how much the New World Order / Globalization / Call it what you want is taking a direction towards destroying our human values and human nature which have been ours since the beginning of recorded history. Destroying rationality and emotions and giving instinct all the power. Destroying the value of a family, friendship, love, loyalty, patriotism, and so on, by telling you that you are the center of the world and do the best to feel as happy as possible by drinking/fucking/being lazy as much as possible. This zoophilia thing is a perfect example of nothing but sexsexsex being important in someone's life, since someone who sinks to that level obviously is not emotionally attached to his 'partner', he just wants to be satisfied, no matter the cost. The same phenomenon is detectable everywhere, free porn, tits in ads, legal prostitution, gay marriage, and so on.

Over an emotional basis, I disagree. I'm a human, not an otter, a camel or a goat, and I like it that way.

 

[Firelord213]

Why is it important to have animal consent in this case but not in any other case (forced labour, forced breeding for stuff like chickens producing eggs, killing them for food, etc)?

My Reaction:

 

[PurplePoot]

I was saying that our emotions, values and rationality (among other things) make us what we are, humans and not animals, since these things are stuff that animals lack, but formulate our character. Since we are able to think, feel and create, and that we're driven by other things than instinct, we are different from any other race on this planet. We are able to make a distinction between instinct and feelings and we're unique in that regard.

By saying it's a trend to behave like animals, I'm trying to reflect on the fact that people are becoming tolerant of inhuman things mostly by arguing that the same behavior is found in nature, and that people attribute emotional things (such as xenophobia and intolerance) to socialization, and thus to rationality. That standpoint attacks socialization or civilization in general, which is strictly a human phenomenon, and no matter how much you try to rationalize it or disagree with me attributing rationality and emotions to humans only, civilization is ours only.

By my previous post, I was simply voicing my disagreement over how much the New World Order / Globalization / Call it what you want is taking a direction towards destroying our human values and human nature which have been ours since the beginning of recorded history. Destroying rationality and emotions and giving instinct all the power. Destroying the value of a family, friendship, love, loyalty, patriotism, and so on, by telling you that you are the center of the world and do the best to feel as happy as possible by drinking/fucking/being lazy as much as possible. This zoophilia thing is a perfect example of nothing but sexsexsex being important in someone's life, since someone who sinks to that level obviously is not emotionally attached to his 'partner'. The same phenomenon is detectable everywhere, free porn, tits in ads, legal prostitution, gay marriage, and so on.

Over an emotional basis, I disagree. I'm a human, not an otter, a camel or a goat, and I like it that way.

• Why is it wrong to do things we enjoy?
  
• If our doing things we enjoy in some ways brings us closer to other animals (humans are animals whether you like it or not), why is that a bad thing? Hell, why is it even worth mentioning?
  
• How is there no difference between not holding one specific value and not holding any values at all? 50-100 years ago your same arguments could be used for rampant sexism, racism and the like. Why is this somehow different or worthy of special consideration?

 

[Magtheridon96]

Having sex with animals is sick in my opinion, and so is any other form of animal abuse.

I'm not saying it should be against the law though.

 

[Zombie]

Why is it wrong to do things we enjoy?

It's not wrong to do things we enjoy, it's wrong to do things which are bad. Bad is something, which affects someone in a negative way. If you have sex with a llama instead of your wife, it's bad. You hurt her feelings. Either way, you hurt the llama.

If our doing things we enjoy in some ways brings us closer to other animals (humans are animals whether you like it or not), why is that a bad thing? Hell, why is it even worth mentioning?

Why the hell would anyone try to get close to an animal? We're physically and mentally superior to them. We are above them. It looks like you went over my entire previous post.

We are civilized, we have empathy, we have the feeling of commitment and we can sense what benefits the 'greater good'. No animal can do that. Why would we strip ourselves of these talents, only to get close to things that don't even consider that we should get close to them? In what way would that benefit our race?

How is there no difference between not holding one specific value and not holding any values at all? 50-100 years ago your same arguments could be used for rampant sexism, racism and the like. Why is this somehow different or worthy of special consideration?

Racism and (rampart) sexism are sort of a similar issue, but I'd rather not go into that, since I'd most likely get banned. And no, I don't think dropping either was a good idea. It's no accident that we're different, we should not pretend that we're not.

 

[trolman]

You just refuse to see that its rape (animals cant have concent) and unlike killing and harvesting, rape is a totaly unbenifitial process, you refuse to accept that reason because of your broken moral,if you even have such a thing.A life lived for pleasure is a wasted one, better be a fertaliser like riot said.Also thinking for your ass will make mankind evolve into sludges (100% scientificly proben) and God will smite the earth like that Judas Priest album.

 

[PurplePoot]

It's not wrong to do things we enjoy, it's wrong to do things which are bad. Bad is something, which affects someone in a negative way. If you have sex with a llama instead of your wife, it's bad. You hurt her feelings. Either way, you hurt the llama.

So I take it you're vegan, don't wear any animal products (fur, leather etc), never say something rude to anyone, never talk behind anyone's back, never fight anyone, and so on and so forth, or at least try as hard as you humanly can to follow these things (you should be vegan regardless, it isn't that hard to follow if you think it's right)? After all, by your definition of bad you ought to follow these.

Why the hell would anyone try to get close to an animal? We're physically and mentally superior to them. We are above them. It looks like you went over my entire previous post.

We are civilized, we have empathy, we have the feeling of commitment and we can sense what benefits the 'greater good'. No animal can do that. Why would we strip ourselves of these talents, only to get close to things that don't even consider that we should get close to them? In what way would that benefit our race?

We are animals, so yes there are animals which can do that. In addition, it's not about trying to be animals, it's about not trying to not be animals.

Racism and (rampart) sexism are sort of a similar issue, but I'd rather not go into that, since I'd most likely get banned. And no, I don't think dropping either was a good idea. It's no accident that we're different, we should not pretend that we're not.

The thing with the -isms that you don't seem to understand is that they aren't centred in people being different; for example, it isn't sexist to acknowledge that only women can give birth. They're centred in irrational bias; for example, not hiring black people just because they're black.

You just refuse to see that its rape (animals cant have concent) and unlike killing and harvesting, rape is a totaly unbenifitial process, you refuse to accept that reason because of your broken moral,if you even have such a thing.A life lived for pleasure is a wasted one, better be a fertaliser like riot said.Also thinking for your ass will make mankind evolve into sludges (100% scientificly proben) and God will smite the earth like that Judas Priest album.

It's a beneficial process; the person doing it feels good. How is that different from eating meat instead of something which isn't meat, or wearing leather/fur instead of something which isn't leather/fur, etc?

 

[trolman]

You mean like what this man was doing? Again eating is something we do to live (weather its animals or plants) its a natural instinct,fucking them is a mind perversion and rape (again becasue of the imposiblity of concent) alot of important stuff comes from meat and weather you chose a stake dinner or a ton of salad is your personal choice. Leather is more useful as a matirial than a meal plus its taken from the animals who were already killed for meat and theres no sence to throw it away.Fur is even simpler, they just cut it from the living animal (or the dead one when its slaughtered for meat) and put it to a good use. (i fkin love my wool blanket!)

 

[Zombie]

So I take it you're vegan, don't wear any animal products (fur, leather etc), never say something rude to anyone, never talk behind anyone's back, never fight anyone, and so on and so forth, or at least try as hard as you humanly can to follow these things (you should be vegan regardless, it isn't that hard to follow if you think it's right)? After all, by your definition of bad you ought to follow these.

I too, like radical thinking, though I'm more the fan of the other side.

First off, I was very obviously using the "you hurt the llama" part as a metaphor, or even a joke. The whole point was pretty much a simplified version of worrying for the doom of our race, I was hoping you'd get it instead of taking words individually again.

If we allow people to have sex with whatever they want, whenever they want, they might choose to do so, even with animals, since that's the simpler way. People using that opportunity (even today) forget that sex is not about satisfaction, it's about reproduction. The survival of our race. It's easy to fuck someone, it's not easy to bear the weight of a relationship, or even a child. Thus, more and more people (will) choose the easier way, and one day they will be in majority. Not reproducing is harmful to our race, obviously enough. 'Greater good', as I previously said. Sense it!

And uh, if you're going personal, I'm not a vegan. I couldn't care less for animals which were bred to be eaten. I care about people though and yes, I try to avoid saying bad to people, talking behind their backs, lying and using them as tools. I'm not a Saint, but I try; another piece of human nature, detectable in most, if not all people. Accidents happen though, and as my father-in-law usually says: "everything is decided in the brain"

We are animals, so yes there are animals which can do that. In addition, it's not about trying to be animals, it's about not trying to not be animals.

Can a dog put its house into its neck, like a turtle does? Can an elephant fly? Can a snake walk? Why should they try?

The thing with the -isms that you don't seem to understand is that they aren't centred in people being different; for example, it isn't sexist to acknowledge that only women can give birth. They're centred in irrational bias; for example, not hiring black people just because they're black.

Yeah, that's the neo-liberal interpretation of "-isms", according to which, all of them are bad, since it takes the most aberrated, radical form of each. The point of ideologies is that they're ideal and not real, but in reality, everything has its phases, but each and every one is about establishing a society, in which clear roles are defined. If someone is genetically more capable of doing a certain job than another job, then he should fucking do it, and should not be influenced by illusions. But leeeeet's not talk about this here....

 

[RiotZ]

I don't know what to say to all this stupid shit. The back and forth is idiotic.

Trolman: Why would you want to have sex with an animal?

Purplepoot: Why wouldn't you?

Both of your arguments form a paradox, it's an endless cycle.

Zoophilia is not wrong or right, cannibalism is not wrong or right, necrophilia is not wrong or right, I thought we already went over this stupid fucking argument on morals. You do what you think is right, and avoid what you don't, you do what is legal, and avoid what isn't. There is no cosmic rationale, that you can consort for answers on what is wrong or right, because there is no such thing as wrong or right.

 

[trolman]

That does not apply to my world.

 

[marko9]

I dont know how this tread even got away here In Hive since this is most definately not the right place for it.

Zoophilia Is for those who cant find a normal Human partner and develop their relationship with that partner, It is a psihic brain problem.
For other stuff like pedophilia and god knows what else could get one a perverted human mind I just dont have a word to descibe
as it is something worst that ''Human'' kind could develop in their minds. Same for homosexuals and bisexuals and every other
damn ugly perverted mind...

Animals have their own partners and Zofilia is abusing animals and should be considered as crime!

 

[MasterHaosis]

Exactly like marko9 said!
Except it should not be considered as crime only, but as insanity too! Into mental hospitals with those!
PURGE AND FIRE!

 

[PurplePoot]

I don't know what to say to all this stupid shit. The back and forth is idiotic.

Trolman: Why would you want to have sex with an animal?

Purplepoot: Why wouldn't you?

Both of your arguments form a paradox, it's an endless cycle.

Zoophilia is not wrong or right, cannibalism is not wrong or right, necrophilia is not wrong or right, I thought we already went over this stupid fucking argument on morals. You do what you think is right, and avoid what you don't, you do what is legal, and avoid what isn't. There is no cosmic rationale, that you can consort for answers on what is wrong or right, because there is no such thing as wrong or right.

I am not asking "why wouldn't you", I am asking "why shouldn't you". My argument is exactly what you said at the end: unless you can justify that it's wrong, it isn't.

That said, I gave some example arguments for murder and such earlier to show that you can give a rational argument for why certain things are wrong.

 

[RiotZ]

I dont know how this tread even got away here In Hive since this is most definately not the right place for it but my opinion is that Zofilia and all other stuff that you've mentioned Is for someone that cant find a real life Partner and have a relationship with her, so they need to satisfy themself with an Animal??!!

Animals have their own partners and Zofilia is abusing animals and should be considered as crime!

Two of the people who are arguing in this thread are mods, and I believe one used to be a mod? Problem?

You are beyond incorrect, it is for people who are sexually attracted to animals, that's what zoophilia means, sexual attraction to animals, not inability to find a girlfriend who gets you off. People who can't find girlfriends masturbate excessively, like myself. xD

 

[marko9]

Two of the people who are arguing in this thread are mods, and I believe one used to be a mod? Problem?

You are beyond incorrect, it is for people who are sexually attracted to animals, that's what zoophilia means, sexual attraction to animals, not inability to find a girlfriend who gets you off. People who can't find girlfriends masturbate excessively, like myself. xD

I have nothing agains masturbating that is one normal thing for a normal Human.
And for ''people who are sexualy attracted to animals'' thats their problem i said they should be treated as mentaly ill people and as perverts as well as anione who whould let them do their thing and by that abuse animals becuse again you keep forgeting about animals and about how they feal about all that...

 

[PurplePoot]

I have nothing agains masturbating that is one normal thing for a normal Human.
And for ''people who are sexualy attracted to animals'' thats their problem i said they should be treated as mentaly ill people and as perverts as well as anione who whould let them do their thing and by that abuse animals becuse again you keep forgeting about animals and about how they feal about all that...

See:

Why is it important to have animal consent in this case but not in any other case (forced labour, forced breeding for stuff like chickens producing eggs, killing them for food, etc)?

 

[MasterHaosis]

I have nothing agains masturbating that is one normal thing for a normal Human.

Exactly!

And for ''people who are sexualy attracted to animals'' thats their problem i said they should be treated as mentaly ill people and as perverts as well as anione who whould let them do their thing...

Well exactly that too.
Also thats not ,,their" problem only, that its problem and threat to all other normal people. I should be aware which sick person lives near me, maybe late at night he will come and rape my dog (if I have one, one day). You know, sexual attraction to something can be fatal. If someone rapes people, someone also may rape animals too.
Also, country should pay more on morgue's or graveyard's security. You do not know when will one ,,normal" person jump in for hunger of dead body!

 

[marko9]

See:

Support for your opinion but you need to keep in mind that we need to survive as well as other animals and beings on this Planet so we need to eat and Drink and any other carnivore animal whould kill a Human if it needs foor for Survival and that is the way nature goes, as for Forced Labour I support you totaly but tehnology goes on and no longer we need animals for farming and stuff...

But Zoofilia is abusing animals with no reason... just for perverted peoples minds...

 

[PurplePoot]

Support for your opinion but you need to keep in mind that we need to survive as well as other animals and beings on this Planet so we need to eat and Drink and any other carnivore animal whould kill a Human if it needs foor for Survival and that is the way nature goes, as for Forced Labour I support you totaly but tehnology goes on and no longer we need animals for farming and stuff...

But Zoofilia is abusing animals with no reason...

We don't need meat to survive. Plenty of people get along just fine as vegetarians or vegans. We are not carnivores, we are omnivores.

In addition, plenty of animals are perfectly happy to have sex with people when the opportunity arises (a situation with a male animal and a female human is the easiest to demonstrate obviously).

Thirdly, any sort of argument from nature is a fallacy. Nature does not provide some sort of magical moral code which separates right from wrong. Just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it should be that way.

 

[trolman]

Two of the people who are arguing in this thread are mods, and I believe one used to be a mod? Problem?

You forgot about your Supertzar.

Also i should mention that masturbation is self abuse and as life goes "everything you do to yourself that doesent effect others is okay".

Animals are still used for labor but only because machines are more expensive, evetually as time goes it will become obsolite.

 

[marko9]

We don't need meat to survive. Plenty of people get along just fine as vegetarians or vegans. We are not carnivores, we are omnivores.

In addition, plenty of animals are perfectly happy to have sex with people when the opportunity arises (a situation with a male animal and a female human is the easiest to demonstrate obviously).

Thirdly, any sort of argument from nature is a fallacy. Nature does not provide some sort of magical moral code which separates right from wrong. Just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it should be that way.

You can eat flowers and leaves I dont blame you but I am more for a good peace of meat and Vegetables with it.

You can continue eating that stuff of your while you Imune System and Organizam shaters and our lifetime gets more and more shorter...

 

[marko9]

You forgot about your Supertzar.

Also i should mention that masturbation is self abuse and as life goes "everything you do to yourself that doesent effect others is okay".

Animals are still used for labor but only because machines are more expensive, evetually as time goes it will become obsolite.

Exactly...

 

[MasterHaosis]

marko9, its all right, but you forgot to tell him about genetically modified food.
Apart from some fruit and vegetables, and that meat we have, there is about more than 80% artificially and genetically altered food.
of course it can replace food, but its effect will take on after long time. Lifetime will have shorter duration. Man already lives shorter thanks to all technically ,,improvements".
Improvements are good indeed, but way they are used is wrong totally.
But hell man, how then they know about consequences when they justify all time dirty, unnaturalthings such as zoophilia?

 

[marko9]

marko9, its all right, but you forgot to tell him about genetically modified food.
Apart from some fruit and vegetables, and that meat we have, there is about more than 80% artificially and genetically altered food.
of course it can replace food, but its effect will take on after long time. Lifetime will have shorter duration. Man already lives shorter thanks to all technically ,,improvements".
Improvements are good indeed, but way they are used is wrong totally.
But hell man, how then they know about consequences when they justify all time dirty, unnaturalthings such as zoophilia?

I dont think I have to say anithing else about this since this disqusion can go well into nowhere and I think Master told you everithing and I totaly agree with him...

LONG LIVE NORMAL HUMANS AND THEIR MINDS!

 

[PurplePoot]

You can eat flowers and leaves I dont blame you but I am more for a good peace of meat and Vegetables with it.

You can continue eating that stuff of your while you Imune System and Organizam shaters and our lifetime gets more and more shorter...

The hell? Your immune system and organs will not shatter if you eat vegetarian. In addition, you're freely admitting that your previous argument made no sense because you are perfectly happy to do other things that infringe upon animal rights just because you enjoy them/feel the urge to do them.

 

[Tank-Commander]

Well I've just read a bit of the start of this and a bit at the end and I thought I should raise the following points:

1) Some of you act as if everybody /chooses/ who they become, if you're sexually attracted to animals, or the same gender as you, then you are. You didn't sit down and suddenly decided: "I want to get off to animals", yes, if you tell yourself what's what then eventually your mind will alter itself to make it true, but that's irrelivent in this context.

2) There is no such thing as a normal person, everybody is completely different, other than a few basic things which make us human, so how could there be a "normal"?

3) /EVERYTHING/ which occurs in the human brain is NATURAL. There is no such thing as an "unnatural perversion of the human mind" of whatever you want to call it. The only time anything unnatural goes on in the human mind is when you're stuffed full of pills.

4) You get one life. Live it how you want, if you want to spend it doing animals, then that's your choice and others shoud shut up about it. It's only when it concerns other humans should we be bothered about it, really, or so is /my/ opinion.

5) The main incentive (chemically) for sex is self-gratification, while this is not the purpose of sex, it's why most people do it. on the basis of all morals are subjective (therefore there is no right or wrong) then if you want to do animals to achieve this incentive aim, then so be it.

Eitherway, I'll leave this topic and wait for it to completely derail.

 

[MasterHaosis]

For anyone who is mentally sick:
I have seen around world so much ,,you have one life, do with it whatever you want".
Yes, someone may decide that with his one life cut off another life, or even two, three, who knows....
He will go to electric chair (hopefully), but he made his choice. he did not care about others, or about consequences.
You are not alone in world, you cannot do some insane shits and abusing everything, and hiding yourself under ,,its my choice".
of course that we are not normal, even me, you, or anyone around Hive. But there are some ,,levels". I do not think that I am at that low level of human retardation.
of course, privately, do anything you wish. But do not do shits and going publically saying how its your choice, and yelling around world how this is normal.
In past maybe I wasnot perfect and shine, but everything shameful I did without anyone knowing of it. I did not say that this all was perfect that its normal.
You basically all idiotic shits people do around world claim to be normal and matter of choice.

 

[RiotZ]

You can eat flowers and leaves I dont blame you but I am more for a good peace of meat and Vegetables with it.

You can continue eating that stuff of your while you Imune System and Organizam shaters and our lifetime gets more and more shorter...

So, Paul McCartney and all the other vegans, are secretly dying? NO WAI.

SEEMS LEGIT.

 

[gorillabull]

no one can know if animals will enjoy this as well or what they will feel, will it be like a human female being raped, it is not possible to say if zoophilia is ok because we can not get the animals' point of view

 

[fladdermasken]

Eitherway, I'll leave this topic and wait for it to completely derail.

I think it did that a couple of threads ago.

Say, for instance, why are we talking about genetics? Even if we don't address the fact that it's completely non-sequitary to zoophilia, or a pretty poor straw man argument, I'd still say it's stretching a bit far. Because, quite frankly...

there is about more than 80% artificially and genetically altered food. of course it can replace food, but its effect will take on after long time.

... I think most people's fundamental understanding of genetics amounts to that they don't want their kid to look like the mailman.

Splice does not quite cover it all.

Lifetime will have shorter duration. Man already lives shorter thanks to all technically ,,improvements".

I think you could scour the desert of life expectancy research and still not find a single graph that doesn't point to the fact that our lifespan is through the roof. You don't even have to trust the validity of this one in particular.

But hell man, how then they know about consequences when they justify all time dirty, unnaturalthings such as zoophilia?

I don't even know how many fallacies this single sentence encompasses. At the very least you're poisoning the well, or do you actually suppose that our take on zoophilia has any effect on how well we can account for the implications of something entirely different? Your argument holds about as much water as if I were to say that anything you have to say on genetics is bound to be false since you're having difficulties peeling an onion without tearing up.

Yes, someone may decide that with his one life cut off another life, or even two, three, who knows....
He will go to electric chair (hopefully), but he made his choice. he did not care about others, or about consequences.
You are not alone in world, you cannot do some insane shits and abusing everything, and hiding yourself under ,,its my choice".

Why did you pull this from thin air all of a sudden? See:

No murder is not arbitrary since it is directly counter-intuitive to survival among your peers and yourself.

You're allegedly saying zoophilia somehow impedes human survival and living standards. So, I dare you to show it to me. How, pray tell, does zoophilia affect us directly so that it should be punishable by severe consequences like stripping the offender of basic human rights (e.g. freedom.)

Without including the words/phrases "it's obvious," "it's disgusting," or "it's just unnatural;" In any form or context, pretty please.

But there are some ,,levels". I do not think that I am at that low level of human retardation.

Doesn't this whole thing tie in with the sheep finding the wolf insane?

I mean from the slippery implications you predict will occur from zoophilia then I say we should probably think about grabbing the whole hog and do what President Madagascar would do to ensure safety for us all.

It'd probably work out for the better, because QUITE FRANKLY...

LONG LIVE NORMAL HUMANS AND THEIR MINDS!

... If this is what's to be expected from normal humans and their minds, you don't really convey a bright future.

 

[PurplePoot]

Most people in this thread would do well to attend a philosophy course.

 

[trolman]

They just havent met you yet.

 

[RiotZ]

Most people in this thread would do well to attend a philosophy course.

Agreed.

Funny thing is, I don't really have a side to take, though I guess its you and Fladder's...

People are ignorant in so many different ways, all of the last 6 posts (combined) by Haosis, Marko, and Trolman have contained some sort of major fallacy. Marko9 won't even take the time Trolman did to argue that it is in fact wrong, he simply condemns people for doing it, why? Majority rules.

 

[trolman]

Whatever its still bad but you guys just cant understand because its a contradiciton to your personal belives,Zoophilia is bad.

THREAD CLOSED

 

[Skycraft]

"This thing is bad because I say it's bad, thread over."

 

[trolman]

Show me why its good?The purple team say everything has to be proven to be bad,i say you have to prove it to me that its good.Also i am the Supertzar of the hive.Thread Closed.

 

[Tank-Commander]

I'd like to point out that quite a lot of us, are trying to say it's neither good or bad. And we give the reasons why, but you choose to ignore them.

 

[RiotZ]

I'd like to point out that quite a lot of us, are trying to say it's neither good or bad. And we give the reasons why, but you choose to ignore them.

Thank you for that.

 

[trolman]

Im giving you the reason that its rape yet you choose to ignore it.

 

[Tank-Commander]

Well here's the thing: We cannot tell if it is conscentual or not, unless they try to run away in which case you aren't going to be succeeding any time soon.

So here we must resort the definition of rape:

Noun:
The crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of violence.
A plant (genus Brassica) of the cabbage family with bright yellow, heavily scented flowers, esp. a variety (oilseed rape) grown for its...
The stalks and skins of grapes left after winemaking, used in making vinegar.

Verb:
(of a man) Force (another person) to have sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of violence against them.

The definitions of rape, include only Humans - therefore Man -> Animal =/= Rape

And since the other usage of rape "to force unconsentual intercourse" cannot be tested with animals, thus we must return to this basic meaning.

 

[trolman]

And how do you know weather the animal wants to do it?Due to the anatomic difrences having sex with an animal is like eating soup with a fork. Just because you copied that from somewhere doesent mean rape is only for humans,it also applies around species but obviously making a connection between rape and zoophilia would offend the rapists.

 

[Tank-Commander]

My whole point is you /don't/ know, which is /why/ you have to resort to definitions, which /doesn't/ include animals. If you're arguing the /definition/ of rape. Then you're arguing with English.

Also the definition specifically states that the other party is non-consentual, since animals /could/ be and we /don't/ know, then you cannot say it's rape.

 

[trolman]

As you might have seen from my posts i am not a person obsessed weather his words are written correctly or weather my definitions are correct.For me rape fits perfectly zoophilia because we have a person forsing sex on an animal there is no way an animal will naturaly be consentual but even if they somehow are (usually its sexsual frustration from not having someone from the opposite gender of their species) it is still not right to do it, see the punching the retard argument somewhere back in the thread.

 

[Tank-Commander]

Um, it's perfectly possible for an animal to be attracted to a human, or members of their genus but not of their species, ever heard of cross-breeding? Also animals are /also/ capable of being Bi/Homosexual just as humans are.

Also you don't "choose" your languages definitions, you can't just "decide" something fits another when it doesn't. If I start saying an orange is a suspension bridge, then am I correct? No. because the English language doesn't work like that.

Eitherway it's /completely/ possible for an animal to be consentual, I'll give you an example:

A friend of mine, was sleeping, and it was particularly hot so they slept nude, since it was too hot to with clothes on. The following morning their dog was mating with them. (while they were asleep) hence causing them to freak out when they woke up. Now tell me, how do you propose this happened? Because dog was /clearly/ consentual, since the dog was commiting the "rape"