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[chr2]

Wars can be very benificial. There's no idiocy in that. Just make sure you win the war (fight countries with a small amount of allies and millitary supplies), else the consequences can be dire.

 

[trolman]

Authoritorian Order vs Libertarian Chaos both can be good or bad but i perfer order

 

[Mr.Goblin]

I personnaly think that the evolution of the human race is bound to these: a humanity without war... or dictatorship. Oh and, I personnaly think people that spend times on the net, such as a open internet forums are actually more informed about daily problems across the world and thus are more open to the world Crysis, which in fact might be the reason why there's so much ''dirty hippies'' as you might call them around here.

 

[fladdermasken]

Authoritorian Order vs Libertarian Chaos both can be good or bad but i perfer order

Have you ever spoken a single decent sentence throughout your entire existence?

 

[sonofjay]

I prefer living without someone dictating what I do, that what you call freedom, and if you want to be dictated, go to school and listen to your teacher.

 

[trolman]

Everything i say is right fladdle!

I tend to be the person telling others what they should do.

 

[sonofjay]

@trolman, so it means you love authoritarian because you're a dictator? seems legit. Anyway all of us have different opinions. And I prefer living freely,

 

[trolman]

the west is dying

 

[Tank-Commander]

trolman, you really need to be more careful with your words. Calling the majority of the hive "Dirty Hippies" isn't exactly going to win over anybody. It actually just makes the rest of us think you're annoying. but eitherway, I make this post to first inquire: West is dying? Explain?

Secondly I make this post to ask why you think being /told/ what to do or telling people what to do is better than people making their own choices? Wouldn't that make everybody who isn't the dictator more like sheep? Which then counteracts your /own/ arguements on a certain other thread. Curious isn't it?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I am a left moderate social libertarian
Left: 4.7, Libertarian: 2.23

My Foreign Policy
Score: 0.21
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My Culture War Stance
Score: -4.7

Rather odd... I had no idea I was left-leaning.

 

[sonofjay]

Everything i say is right fladdle!

I tend to be the person telling others what they should do.

Lul, look at where that got hitler.

 

[Mr.Goblin]

Meanwhile in the world of internet, people using Hitler (a psycopathe) as a valid excuse/argument.... Let's use JESUS to counter such argumentation/excuse.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Ah. Internet.

Where you can never easily tell who's joking and who's not.

 

[RiotZ]

trolman, you really need to be more careful with your words. Calling the majority of the hive "Dirty Hippies" isn't exactly going to win over anybody. It actually just makes the rest of us think you're annoying. but eitherway, I make this post to first inquire: West is dying? Explain?

Secondly I make this post to ask why you think being /told/ what to do or telling people what to do is better than people making their own choices? Wouldn't that make everybody who isn't the dictator more like sheep? Which then counteracts your /own/ arguements on a certain other thread. Curious isn't it?

The West is dying, trust me I live here/there.

 

[trolman]

You guys fail to seed out my golden words of wisdom from all the shit i type <:/

Im trolman self proclaimed king of the hive and a patriarch to all troll kind!Dont think im not trying to fuck with your brain!

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

And it's perfectly fine to troll around and get banned, like Lembidi and Chucky got.
Trolling is okay and can be quite funny, if it has limits.

Now, since that was off-topic, and you gave me an idea that still sticks to the topic, I want to ask you: What do you prefer more, being a person whose life is completely organized and strict, without any freedom of choice, or being a person whose life is completely free and full of choices? Oh, as trolman said, a Chaotic Freedom, or Lawful Order?

 

[trolman]

Like any of you guys lived under authorian rule >>

 

[fladdermasken]

Im trolman self proclaimed king of the hive and a patriarch to all troll kind!Dont think im not trying to fuck with your brain!

You suck at it. Nothing of what you say could even be passed off as satire. You're really just being plain stupid, and if you think you're pissing anyone off we're literally just trying to show you how much time you're wasting being the residue shit of a colon cleansing.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15822584/images/1312503349771.png

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

I lived in a family which couldn't be more harsh with rules.

Walk a mile in someone's shoes before talking about him/her.
(that way, you are a mile away, and you have their shoes )

 

[trolman]

Anyways it seems most of you have been too brainwashed to understand the greatness of authoritarian by your corrupted powerless goverments making war just for fun.But the world cant hold on any more and the west is dying, a new power is rising and i for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.

 

[Tank-Commander]

you have been too brainwashed to understand the greatness of authoritarian

That really did make me laugh at the irony.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Oh, for Christ sake, stop acting like you're the greatest victim in the whole world.

Dying or not, not the topic.
Harsh childhood or not, not the topic, nor the place.
A place to cry and degrade yourself, not the topic, not the place, nor the smart thing to do.

Can we get over this combo before we all degrade, and start waving transparent with "Down China, go USA!" / "Longeyed - troubleyed!" / "The end is near! Two for one, only today!" messages? T_T

ANYWAYS, I think that the living standard, father's/mother's choice and friends around us push us into one of those categories. Country can also be a legit and obvious pusher. Shouldn't we be worried about people (mostly youngsters) that are turning to harsh, cold and ruthless (when it comes to politics) persons?

Oh, and I think that there's a perfect balance between these two groups of people.
Girls will wear short skirts and make their shirts shrunken to achieve a rebel-pretty effect at the harshest school, while teachers can transform even the wildest ones to organized, lawfully morale persons. It's the cycle of life.

 

[HappyCockroach]

You suck at it. Nothing of what you say could even be passed off as satire. You're really just being plain stupid, and if you think you're pissing anyone off we're literally just trying to show you how much time you're wasting being the residue shit of a colon cleansing.

'nuff said. anyone who self-proclaims them the biggest troll around obviously haven't got the taste to make a decent, laughable satire...

 

[sonofjay]

I was really going to say something with your tone, but im not going to stick so low fladdle.I am just going to say HgH you really misunderstand me

Anyways it seems most of you have been too brainwashed to understand the greatness of authoritarian by your corrupted powerless goverments making war just for fun.But the world cant hold on any more and the west is dying, a new power is rising and i for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.

Cool story bro, anyway you're just a retard guy who want some attention. *grabs attention* *throws attention to the troll*

here you go,

 

[RiotZ]

ZZZZzzz, what this convo needs, is Necrophilia.

Like any of you guys lived under authorian rule >>

Oh, now we are going to play the pity-game, this is low Trolman, even for you. Don't even get me started.

And if you keep calling yourself a troll, (which is like screaming "PUNISH ME, PUNISH ME!"), you are going to get punished, aka banned.

 

[trolman]

I dont know what you guys are talking but neither once since i got out jail have i trolled nor ever attempted to.Altough in most of my posts I intend to add some comic relief to easen up the mood.

But seriosly now, I am for a society run by the goverment,not the 1%! I want a place with strong moral values, not some that would allow anything just aslong as they make a profit, no I want a place where human life truly has no price and where money play a small role or are completly obsolite. I want the spirt of mutural brotherly love and teamwork to thrive in society over the personal gain and competition. A place where all sorts of people ((not zoophiles lol)comic relief) can love eachother and be free.Face it there is no real freedom,you have to sacrafice a part of it for your personal safety and its not like any of you realise or use your freedom.Some might condem me as a communist but i say no! But if you allow the people personal freedom (religion,music,clothes,sexsuality etc.) Then i would be the biggest communist there ever was, so come on China, I'm counting on you! (no China is not what im talking about but seems to be the closest to make my dream reality)

Also I'll repeat myself again, I would always choose a strong goverment over a weak one where the real rules come from the rich mobsters.

 

[sonofjay]

Cool story bro *gives Trolman some part of my freedom that I have* enjoy.

 

[chr2]

Chinese rule? Not necessarily. The thing is, there are multiple theories in this subject (Fukuyama's theory of an eternal western/democratic rule and the so-called end of history, or Huntington's theory of a clash of culures, eventually leading to the downfall of USA's regime and a possible Chinese candidate, to mention a few). No one really knows what is really going to happen. The way I see it, the Chinese are pretty happy with the way things are going. After all, they need a place to sell all their stuff to.

Personally I believe that democracy is the right way, and thus the West may not be dying (if those of you saying that are referring to the current financial crisis, you really need to get your facts straight. Such crisises have and will always exist. It's a part of the economic cycle. Similarly, many of the western countries, including the States, are actually moving towards better times, just as they have done after any economic crisis). Now, history shows that any superpower there has ever been has fallen. These superpowers, however, have all have an authorian rule. Since the current one has a libertarian rule, things might be different.

All in all, I guess what I am saying is liberty > authority.

 

[trolman]

Actually as time progresses these crisis are becoming sooner and sooner,the rich are getting richer the poor are becoming poorer. Also the working hand is becoming less and less while the output is becoming more and more till we reach a point where no one can buy anything because they couldnt earn any money because there are no jobs.And without money there is no way to produce any new stock so there you have it capitalism fucks itself if not changed by some point in the nearby future.

 

[RiotZ]

I dont know what you guys are talking but neither once since i got out jail have i trolled nor ever attempted to.Altough in most of my posts I intend to add some comic relief to easen up the mood.

But seriosly now, I am for a society run by the goverment,not the 1%! I want a place with strong moral values, not some that would allow anything just aslong as they make a profit, no I want a place where human life truly has no price and where money play a small role or are completly obsolite. I want the spirt of mutural brotherly love and teamwork to thrive in society over the personal gain and competition. A place where all sorts of people ((not zoophiles lol)comic relief) can love eachother and be free.Face it there is no real freedom,you have to sacrafice a part of it for your personal safety and its not like any of you realise or use your freedom.Some might condem me as a communist but i say no! But if you allow the people personal freedom (religion,music,clothes,sexsuality etc.) Then i would be the biggest communist there ever was, so come on China, I'm counting on you! (no China is not what im talking about but seems to be the closest to make my dream reality)

Also I'll repeat myself again, I would always choose a strong goverment over a weak one where the real rules come from the rich mobsters.

In case you're unaware, religion should be outlawed according to the Communist manifesto. And just about every Fascist/Socialist dictatorship ever to control a country.

 

[PurplePoot]

In case you're unaware, religion should be outlawed according to the Communist manifesto. And just about every Fascist/Socialist dictatorship ever to control a country.

Fascist regimes are often strongly religious, but Communism is definitely antireligious.

 

[chr2]

Actually as time progresses these crisis are becoming sooner and sooner,the rich are getting richer the poor are becoming poorer. Also the working hand is becoming less and less while the output is becoming more and more till we reach a point where no one can buy anything because they couldnt earn any money because there are no jobs.And without money there is no way to produce any new stock so there you have it capitalism fucks itself if not changed by some point in the nearby future.

You're as wrong as it gets. This is how it could've seen 2 years ago, were you not expecting any changes. Currently, however, the employment rate is increasing, which leads to a bigger production, leading to less demand, leading to lower prices. Again, the economic cycle. Look it up.

 

[Tank-Commander]

I dont know what you guys are talking but neither once since i got out jail have i trolled nor ever attempted to.

But in all seriousness.

the rich are getting richer the poor are becoming poorer.

True or false it doesn't make capitolism "fuck itself" however that doesn't make communism the right way to go anyway. Let me explain how this works:

no I want a place where human life truly has no price and where money play a small role or are completly obsolite.

Human life will always have a price, if it had no price, our society wouldn't work. You cannot make money obsolite because if money meant nothing then why would anybody work? what would they gain from working if everything they need is handed to them?

I want the spirt of mutural brotherly love and teamwork to thrive in society over the personal gain and competition.

Humans aren't capable of this fantasy you want to create. Humans by design are ultimately egocentric, we'd much rather benefit ourselves or people around us who will benefit us. as opposed to help for the sake of helping.

A place where all sorts of people ((not zoophiles lol)comic relief) can love eachother and be free.

People are already as free as they can be without compromising the advancement of the human race.

Face it there is no real freedom,you have to sacrafice a part of it for your personal safety and its not like any of you realise or use your freedom.

For your fantasy world of teamwork and peace and love or whatever, this would still be true. Also "real" freedom is subjective.

Some might condem me as a communist but i say no! But if you allow the people personal freedom (religion,music,clothes,sexsuality etc.) Then i would be the biggest communist there ever was

Right, so you're saying if /everybody/ is allowed their own /personal/ freedom, that you'd be fine with zoophiles, paedophiles, necrophiles, etc. And you'd be fine with the furries, the goths the emo's, etc. And you'd also be fine with people following religions which involve human sacrafice? Also murder would be fine, rape would be too, there's all kinds of things which'd be fine in your perfect world.

Summary:
There's a reason the world works as it does.

 

[trolman]

Again and again you continue to misunderstand me, have you heard the news there have been invented cars that not require human drivers, eventually machines will totaly replace human labor and there would be no need for jobs you know? So money will eventually lose its value and if things go right its my utopian vision or terminator's.

Well no need to tell me what you're doing but i belive we should strive to with all effords to a place where everyone helps eachother just because,you know?Get rid of all the greed N shit.

Im talking about the freedom in my utopian world, if we strive for the better, we will achive it.

And i didnt say it would be a lawless world,quite the opposite.

 

[TwistedImage]

How can you have a free world with laws?

Laws are made to inhibit freedom.

 

[Tank-Commander]

Again and again you continue to misunderstand me

I think "finding the flaws" are the more correct words to use

have you heard the news there have been invented cars that not require human drivers, eventually machines will totaly replace human labor and there would be no need for jobs you know? So money will eventually lose its value and if things go right its my utopian vision or terminator's.

That's very old news. That doesn't mean that human labor will be terminated, if that were true the human race would destroy itself, because we'd have to make the machines be able to repair/fix themselves, and even in that event a single malfunction of that repairing program and they're gone, if humans don't work they won't be able to repair them. Thus humanity would collapse and return to the earliest stages of life were we hunted animals and lived in caves or wooden huts. Your Utopian vision wouldn't happen, certainly not for very long anyway.

Also there's always jobs humans can do which machines cannot, for instance, maintanence work on a machine, governing the world. Keep the human race alive, etc. Without economy our world wouldn't function. and like I said society would collapse.

Well no need to tell me what you're doing but i belive we should strive to with all effords to a place where everyone helps eachother just because,you know?

We're humans, we don't do that, we're not designed to do that. If we were meant to do that, then we already would.

Get rid of all the greed N shit.

We're human, can't happen. Unless you make it a crime to be greedy, in which case everybody is gonna revolt soon enough.

Im talking about the freedom in my utopian world, if we strive for the better, we will achive it.

And i didnt say it would be a lawless world,quite the opposite.

So, it's not a truely free Utopia anyway? So what your'e saying freedom through restriction? kind of contradictory don't you think?

Also the most likely occurence from this: Revolt. The only way you can make everybody equally free is to make everybody equally restricted, which is somewhat an absurd idea. Since this would be the case, most people wouldn't be very happy, especially considering what you seem to consider right and wrong.

 

[chr2]

Trolman, you realise that the freedom of which you speak couldn't exist in an authoritarian world, such as the one you want, right? You pretty much contradict yourself.

 

[trolman]

you should really be looking for the flaws in your own logic then

Face it with time almost all jobs will become obsolite, done by machines requiering no human intervention.Sure they might need repairs but how many humans would work those jobs?Why would humanity colapse if we would already have all the knowlage that got us to this point?

Bullshit it is built for us but its a choice based on either do the easy way or the high way, so only a few people chose it. People change and with the times and the right actions the change could be made.

Yes it can but not in this twisted society, the hope is in the children of tommorow.

And no laws are needed in the human world.The freedom im talking about is the needed freedom the authorian regimes never gave,not the freedom to do others wrong.

 

[Tank-Commander]

Face it with time almost all jobs will become obsolite, done by machines requiering no human intervention.Sure they might need repairs but how many humans would work those jobs?Why would humanity colapse if we would already have all the knowlage that got us to this point?

Because if only a few humans do these jobs, then why would anyone need to know anything about the rest of it? education would become pointless and counterproductive and without funding because there's "No economy" nobody is going to bother helping.

Bullshit it is built for us but its a choice based on either do the easy way or the high way, so only a few people chose it. People change and with the times and the right actions the change could be made.

You clearly don't understand the human mind.

Yes it can but not in this twisted society, the hope is in the children of tommorow.

The children of tomorrow will be the same as the children of today. It's only more likely that they'll be even more "twisted" instead of less so.

And no laws are needed in the human world.The freedom im talking about is the needed freedom the authorian regimes never gave,not the freedom to do others wrong.

And what freedom is that, hmm? From my understanding you have a problem with most people, and most people think your idea is rediculous, what's going to make everybody unify to have this same idea? surely it'd require everybody to become as twisted as you for this to occur. Considering you've "been to jail" as you say, you can't really claim to be a saint among men, you're just as twisted as the rest of us. And if there is this utopia, none of us would be part of it.

Before you respond I'd like you to do the following:

Get a degree in human psychology. And /then/ tell us how humans work.

 

[trolman]

You can learn more by yourself then in school but you go there just to get a job by why should it just be for that and not just to be smart and know stuff,humans are curious.

Ofcourse I do but this is just one of those things that you would do if everyone else did,but they dont because they say i'll do it if someone else does and in the end no one did nothing because they were waiting for the other person.It is a great idea that just needs a little help to get started.And for those who refuse to do others good, well theres...certain consequencess.... >

Dont be so sure about them."The right man in the wrong place, could make all the difrance in the world."

No im saying that they would have the freedom we have today because the past authorian regimes were a bit suspenceful on that part,shit in my country you would be taken to the police station to be beaten or even go to a C.Camp if they saw you sitting on the sidewalk or having long hair or not buttoning your shirt,and im not making this stuff up.

Also the jewish church condemed Jesus to death for his preaching.I however didnt give a fuck weather i would or wouldnt get banned and didnt care so there was no point in stoping or atleast putting some efford in my acts.

Oh and you have such a degree?I dont but i know that we change and as today my words may sound fantasies,one day they might become reality.

 

[Tank-Commander]

Well first off, I'd like to say we've well and truely derailed this thread. I would have no objection for the existance of this debate to be terminated (i.e. posts deleted up to back before this started) to get back on track, but I just wanted to have a few more words to trolman:

No, I do not have such degree, but I have basic understanding of human psychology, something you seemingly lack.

Also "freedom we have today" cannot exist in authoritarian regimes, otherwise they're not authoritarian at all.

certain consequencess.... >

Not really, this is why people rebel. It'd be the tyrant running the show who'd eventually have these "certain consequences"

You can't force people into anything if you want freedom, that's the /COMPLETE/ opposite of freedom.

How do I know the children will be pretty much the same? They'll be related to this generation and will be raised by this generation, ergo will be pretty much the same. Sure change can happen quickly but fact is people are becoming more and more liberal anyway.

Let me just point out a few things that've changed in the last few 100 years

Women have rights
Gay rights
Sociatal influence is less about "being well-mannered" and more about sex.
Education improved in almost every area
Scientific advancement
Children have more space to be individual
Sexual aggression in both genders increased

If anything our world is as liberal as it has ever been, and most people are liberal minded, because that's how our world functions now.

What /you/ want is for society to go backward a few hundred years.
Your "Utopia" is a place where ONLY the people in charge thrive, the complete OPPOSITE of what people want. Also the complete opposite of what you claim to want.

You're hoping for something completely unrealistic and would not even slightly /work/ and you ignore anyone who puts it into a context which would point this out.

You should really think through your idea a bit more and realise why it achieves nothing and would ultimately fail /anyway/

 

[trolman]

Well im not an extreme authorian you know nor did i mention much about how it would be ruled,by tyrany or not.First flaw.

Seccond flaw i talked about freedom when i compared my ideal world to the old regimes while the consequences were for those who opposed the idea that everyone should love and help eachother.

Also children of tommorow was a metaphore not the next generation -.- 3rd flaw

How do you know anything about my world.A place where only people in charge thrive?When did i ever say that?

"You're hoping for something completely unrealistic and would not even slightly /work/ and you ignore anyone who puts it into a context which would point this out." Ofcourse i ignore them when they cant understand what im saying *facepalm*

"You should really think through your idea a bit more and realise why it achieves nothing and would ultimately fail /anyway/ "

*second facepalm*
And you should let me explain my idea and not jump to such conclusions without realising what I want to be achived.

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How come you're the only opposition,wheres the rest of the gang?

 

[Tank-Commander]

Well im not an extreme authorian you know nor did i mention much about how it would be ruled,by tyrany or not.First flaw.

Hardly a flaw, it wouldn't work if it wasn't tyranny unless you'd saying we'd all band together to punish people who don't want to take part?

Seccond flaw i talked about freedom when i compared my ideal world to the old regimes while the consequences were for those who opposed the idea that everyone should love and help eachother.

You said freedom to the same level we have now, This would not be to that level.

Also children of tommorow was a metaphore not the next generation -.- 3rd flaw

Then say children of the future not tomorrow. If you're trying to make a political point you need to be clear. Also you're using the term "flaw" incorrectly.

How do you know anything about my world.A place where only people in charge thrive?When did i ever say that?

Becuase from what you've said I can easily figure out how the society would work, or atleast the closest it could come to working. People in charge would thrive because the lower down people would have to do the people higher ups bidding "for the greater good" since only higher up people typically have a voice on society, unless you have a voting system, which would then raise people into the higher up position, but it wouldn't change the facts, since disapproving of a government idea wouldn't be all "peace and love" or "helping eachother" And you couldn't exactly kick a leader out if they didn't want to leave, hence tyranny would be inevitable. Since you say the jobs would be done my machines - ergo the "millitary" (if there was one) would not be under control of every day civilians otherwise this would make rebelling a real threat, but if there was no millitary, then again it'd be under threat of rebelling and there wouldn't be much to do about it.

"You're hoping for something completely unrealistic and would not even slightly /work/ and you ignore anyone who puts it into a context which would point this out." Ofcourse i ignore them when they cant understand what im saying *facepalm*

It's more you not understanding what everbody else says, clearly.

*second facepalm*
And you should let me explain my idea and not jump to such conclusions without realising what I want to be achived.

Then explain your idea instead of resorting to these pointless posts so that I can point out more and more flaws in the way you wish this would work. If you're not telling us your whole idea then you're the soul person to blame for the entire debate. That is, if you're whole idea even works anyway or is sensible.

How come you're the only opposition,wheres the rest of the gang?

I assume it's because they feel it's not worth it and can't be bothered, because they know you're too stubborn and ignorant to think about things from another perspective. Although Chr2 is still here.

 

[chr2]

Although Chr2 is still here.

I attempt to be at the very least. It's a little difficult when trolman goes more and more away from the actual topic, and keeps changing his opinions.

 

[trolman]

~nothing to say
~around the same level, again you are making conclusions i never stated,will explain in a nearby ~
~im a poet by soul >>

~Actually i vision that the goverment would be electable but also not courrupted because the society would have high morals lowering the courruption rate but also there would be no military because there would be no nations,it would be just 1 nation called earth ran by a people selected directorate and region representatives maintained not by a large army but the idea itself.Again im not talking about the next 10 years but the distent future when the humans might have these ideals,this is just my fantasy but maybe it will all happen and future people will somehow see this and i'll be famous like Nostradamus or maybe not >>.

~I explained it after they pointed at it.

~come to think of it,why do i keep replying...

~insulting the new mature

~changing my opinions?

 

[Tank-Commander]

~Becuase you can't disagree?
~No, it's nothing like the same level, if you want me to be wrong, then prove it.
~I'm sure you are.

~For that to work we'd have to evolve into something completely different from what we are, thus too different to be considered human. As the laws of nature would have to not apply, instinct would have to not apply, amongst other things. And guess what? They all /do/ apply

~Not really, if not at all. Not reasonably anyway

~Because you crave to be looked at in awe?

~only insulting if you see it as insulting, the intention was to tell you why people probably gave up. If you see that as insulting it's your own view.

~Yes, since nothing you say earlier actually matches what you say later on.

 

[Crazed_seal2]

Took it again.

 

[trolman]

Bah forget it private you will never understand my views, the changes can happen if we strive for the spiritual not the material but alas that wont happen soon.

 

[Deolrin]

So basically you just want everyone to believe in God? ._.

 

[trolman]

I did not say that.