WW2: World in Flames [REVISED]

[Vuormalainen]

random question, could the two americas unally eachother? that'd be funny and weird at the same time

Right now everyone could ally and unally anyone, but if Germany for example would ally with Russia they wouldn't get as much income to still make people try to follow accurate history by some.

The system is however much deeper, I think Fingolfin posted about it earlier.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Would there be a trading system which sends transport vehicles to trade?

 

[Fingolfin]

Didn't we mention that like.. 30 times or something?


As for the americans unallying, it will not be possible, just like colonial britain will not be able to unally the "real" britain, they are basically just one country controlled by two players.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

I'm really sorry Fin, I guess I just keep forgetting...
I wonder if there'll be some last-stand event (Like the Militia from Peasants) except you can convert Prisoners of War or Villagers into some infantry which is weaker but meant for defending purposes when everything else fails.

 

[DeadBoss]

You mean Partizans?

 

[RiotZ]

National Guard lol...

 

[WOWWARS]

an ability to allow trading with certain countries would be nice.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

What about trading using Shipyards or Airports?

 

[WOWWARS]

air supply ships werent basicly used till cold war.

 

[PastTime]

As far as I know they were dropping the supplies but these usually got shoot down before they even reached the ground.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Supply Drops sound like a good idea, maybe make them die from about 5 hits to make it harder to die while shooting down? Or the more HP a Supply Crate has the better the buff?

 

[Noobsmoke]

very nice and realistic models and design

 

[TeeRench]

air supply ships werent basicly used till cold war.

Oh no? Then what happened in Stalingrad? Also, map looks good, hopefully it plays nicely though.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

So Airports and Shipyards can be used?

 

[Fingolfin]

I don't understand what you mean by that.
As i said, no airplanes will be in the beta, and that means NONE. As for shipyards... the existing trading system is based on shipyards so it is hardly a new suggestion. If you want to help out on something you can try to figre out how the trade ships will be distributed between the players each cycle - i've currently had two ideas:

1: Every 3 minutes, each shipyard on the map sends out a trading ship that will travel to the nearest allied shipyard. The problem with this method is that players who are far away from all the others won't recieve that many trade ships.

2: Each shipyard on the map sends out one trade ship to the nearest trading port of each of it's allies, i.e. if a player has 3 allies, each shipyard they own will send a total of 3 ships to whatever shipyard is closest for each of the three allies.
The problem with this method is that you will end up with a lot of trading ships on the map at once if many players are allied to eachother.

Also, i want you to consider how the trading should reward in the first place; my current idea is that the money goes to the player who recieves the ship, which seems reasonable to me. I understand Vuorma had different opinions about that though, so it might be something for you to discuss.

 

[Hugomath]

I have no idea on how trade ships should be distributed. It's pretty hard to say.

But about the reward, it could be both currency and oil, in my opinion.

 

[Vuormalainen]

2: Each shipyard on the map sends out one trade ship to the nearest trading port of each of it's allies, i.e. if a player has 3 allies, each shipyard they own will send a total of 3 ships to whatever shipyard is closest for each of the three allies.
The problem with this method is that you will end up with a lot of trading ships on the map at once if many players are allied to eachother.

Instead of this we could perhaps make it the way that each two closest ports of two allies send ships to eachother and therefore only two ships will roam the map for each pair of allied partners.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

How about allow yourself to choose which trade route to take and predesignate it, while being able to choose who to trade with, even enemies (For hostage or threat purposes).

 

[WOWWARS]

how bout ships gotta stop for supplies at allied harbours unless u like upgrade them to go for a long trip

 

[Fingolfin]

When we finish the turret system, ships will have to get to port to repair their turrets. I personally don't like the idea of giving ships limited fuel however, since it requires you to keep constant check on all your ships (especially in the old map, where ships would sink when out of fuel!).

@VMiss_Foxy: Well, you will still have to have some kind of system that sets the initial trade routes, it shouldn't be up to the player to set all theese the first thing he does.
And trading with enemies can be troublesome since they can't prevent their units from shooting down your trade ships.

@Vuorma: sounds like an OK idea, You'd propably either make theese two players cycle between the available allies so that everyone can have a chance of getting a delivery. Just have to figure out how to code it though.

 

[Falafelkorv]

Will tanks use the turret system?

 

[Fingolfin]

No. Their turrets will spin using a different system, the turret system for boats will have each turret be a separate unit that rotates independently from the model and that can be killed individually. It would make no sense to kill the turret of a tank while the rest is still capable of moving.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

So do Turret act as 'Orc Burrows'?

 

[PastTime]

What happens if You shoot down the tank before taking down turrets? do they float and still seem to be working or just disappear?
Idea looks nice though.

 

[Fingolfin]

no, why?
You can't garrison units inside your ship turrets, that would be wierd lol.

Tank turrets are based on the "animation - lock body part facing" action. They don't use separate turret units.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm... Unless somebody has a model for a tank exploding and parts flying

 

[Falafelkorv]

Well, if you would hit out the gun, you would just be able to retreat with that unit and repair it, instead of producing a new one

 

[RiotZ]

no, why?
You can't garrison units inside your ship turrets, that would be wierd lol.

Tank turrets are based on the "animation - lock body part facing" action. They don't use separate turret units.

God damn.. You're my hero.. I never thought of that.. That's genius!

 

[Fingolfin]

Yeah, that's me

 

[RiotZ]

Yeah, that's me

What body part is the turret? The Head I would assume..?

 

[Fingolfin]

Yes, at least on my models it is.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

That's really great Fin, so do you do your models by yourself?

 

[Fingolfin]

Uhm... yeah?
That has kind of been the point from the start. xD

 

[Vuormalainen]

so do you do your models by yourself?

lol'd

 

[RiotZ]

That's really great Fin, so do you do your models by yourself?

 

[AoC]

Wow, a turret rotation system? That is amazing coding indeed. However, if you've ever played Illidan(Evil)x's Modern Warfare map, he had a turret rotation system similar to yours I'd suspect. Would you still have the same problems?
1. Tanks would not stop at a distance to engage in the fog, they went right next to a unit to attack it.
2. Illidan told me his map could take 900+ tanks before it started lagging, will this map have 900 tanks or ships at one time?
3. He used timers, and I suspected this caused dropping bugs and maybe will apply for you.

Other than that, I really want a rotation system! Great work.

PS, I want to sign up for BETA, but I can't since I play on the PvPGN Bored Aussies.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

I sure hope it can take more than 900 tanks

 

[Vuormalainen]

Wow, a turret rotation system? That is amazing coding indeed. However, if you've ever played Illidan(Evil)x's Modern Warfare map, he had a turret rotation system similar to yours I'd suspect. Would you still have the same problems?
1. Tanks would not stop at a distance to engage in the fog, they went right next to a unit to attack it.
2. Illidan told me his map could take 900+ tanks before it started lagging, will this map have 900 tanks or ships at one time?
3. He used timers, and I suspected this caused dropping bugs and maybe will apply for you.

Other than that, I really want a rotation system! Great work.

PS, I want to sign up for BETA, but I can't since I play on the PvPGN Bored Aussies.

The code itself is actually very simple and I'am sure we've played with more than 1k tanks without lag and the tanks still preform as they should.
As Fingolfin said himself, it's simply achieved by using the "animation - lock body part facing" action.

 

[AoC]

Oh, thanks for clarifying that. Didn't see the "lock body part" bit. Bite me. lol. How did you actually do it? I tried doing it once with a tank using this action, didn't work.

 

[Vuormalainen]

Oh, thanks for clarifying that. Didn't see the "lock body part" bit. Bite me. lol. How did you actually do it? I tried doing it once with a tank using this action, didn't work.

Tank ordered to attack, lock body part to target.

 

[AoC]

I see, well good work on the map anyway, keep it up.

 

[Fingolfin]

@AoC: Me and Vuorma have actually discussed the possibility of hosting the beta on a third party program such as Garena etc. to allow more players to join (you and hugomath for instance). So it might not be hopeless.

 

[RiotZ]

@AoC: Me and Vuorma have actually discussed the possibility of hosting the beta on a third party program such as Garena etc. to allow more players to join (you and hugomath for instance). So it might not be hopeless.

Is it common for there to be a larger amount of people on Wc3 on Garena than B.net?

 

[Hugomath]

@Fingolfin: Cool . Can't wait for it!

So guys, I'll be on vacation for a week and might not be active as I am there. Good luck with the stuff.

 

[Vuormalainen]

@Fingolfin: Cool . Can't wait for it!

So guys, I'll be on vacation for a week and might not be active as I am there. Good luck with the stuff.

Have fun

 

[Fingolfin]

@xRiotZx: no, i was generally talking about programs that allows you to host things with more secrecy, rather than letting all my other b-net friends join it.

 

[PastTime]

That would be cool, I got two weeks of break from the school and Im up for testing on Garena if it's not a problem to let Me in.

I track this project daily, perhaps not really much happens here apart from questions about stuff that has been already answered but Im waiting for any news.

Cheers.

 

[RiotZ]

@xRiotZx: no, i was generally talking about programs that allows you to host things with more secrecy, rather than letting all my other b-net friends join it.

It's called "Private Match", and private game name are invisible to your friends.. It doesn't even give you a message when they join a private match.

 

[Fingolfin]

On b-net?
For me it does, that's the point. Private matches are exclusive for you and your friends on b-net. Only they can see it in the games list too.

 

[Vuormalainen]

Whatever, the point is still that people without bnet can join us in the closed beta