Why are WoW models not allowed?

[FMGSSOUL]

-You gain NO modeling skills from whacking crap together.

Valid point Wulf, if I take a pile of dog crap in one hand and a pile of horse crap in the other and wack them together, theres no way in hell I've gained even one point towards modeling skills. Couldnt resist turning this into a retarded joke lol

 

[Fulla]

lol...? How can ppl see taking WoW models as ripping.
I honestly dont understand this....

War3/WoW are both the same company, if Blizzard actually gave a crap about WoW models being used, they may say something.
"That still doesnt change the fact that exporting is ripping".

If I was to go properly through the resource section, I wonder how much stuff uploaded, was not sanctioned by the 'true author', excluding WoW stuff.

I think the large reason, and 'push' behind this, it the discust of the modellers here. Just like how many artists dislike seeing CnP/Merges of icons/skins uploaded, as it 'degrades' the work of ppl who do freehand.

Perhaps its just me and only I see it this way but..
Ive always seen wc3sear.ch more for the public and noobs as a gigantic resource site and less for the few elite artists that exist to portray there work. (Thats what wc3campagins is for).

Thats what I think made wc3sear.ch the biggest and best war3 site, as it was so noob friendly. Sure it got bashed all the time by the supposive 'elite' war3 sites out there, but it was the site where you could upload and share almost anything, (not for your own benefit, but for others).

Lastly, I think youd be must better of, when saying NO to WoW models, listing all the negative things about them, rather than "immoral/unjust".

There are some models that are very useful, such as the creeps.
Not for the artists, but for the little people out there.

I would be for a ban on all characters however, as there is a near infinite amount that be exported.
But again having all the creeps/npcs etc. uploaded can be very useful/helpful for the community.

 

[Kimbo]

there are MANY probs with the models, even creeps that iv explained. And people should submit THIER work, not other peoples hardwork and effort. wc3sear was more like a dumping site, no one respected it, and it dont want to see hive like that.

 

[HappyTauren]

1. high poly
2. not enough shading on skins (uses shaders)
3. size
4. not same autor as wc3
5. we wouldnt need modelers anymore (yeayea wow models would take place before people's hardwork)
6. we dont want search comments on wow models (Yay, 5/5 nice ) crap
7. learn to modfel urself

 

[Deathbringer]

Close this topic already.. it didn't need to be resurrected..

 

[Wolverabid]

I believe that "Why are WoW modles not aloud? Give an honest answer." must remain open indefinitely. This allows for free speech in case anyone wants to object or has a valid, defensible opinion to express.

 

[Mechanical Man]

I suggest to stickify it.

 

[brad.dude03]

I suggest that stickying it would work as well. Give people a chance to noob it up in here instead of making a new thread and noobing it up in there.

 

[Wolverabid]

Thread Stuck

A sticky has been applied to this thread and it has been renamed.

 

[brad.dude03]

Oh thank you Jesus, that fricken title was driving me insane.

 

[Mechanical Man]

It is this allowed?

1. Ripping a model from WoW, open it in a modelling program (ex. (g)max), editing it about 50%, adding and removing some animations, maybe changing skin (using maybe also warcraft skins).
Basically a (heavy) edit a WoW based model.

2. Using WoW skin for custom made model, maybe reunwrap the skin on it.

 

[Deleted member 126647]

1. You could just do it without telling anyone, and if we don't notice, who's going to say anything about it?

2. No.

 

[HappyTauren]

1. there ARE already wow models in wc3 mpq-s, rip them off the camp loading screens, and animate them properly!
2. that would be worse than cnp

 

[Jacek]

1. there ARE already wow models in wc3 mpq-s, rip them off the camp loading screens, and animate them properly!

Funny considering they were in loading screens when WoW was in pre-alpha stages

 

[brad.dude03]

Prealpha?! Beyond that, WoW was probably hardly even a concept yet if it was TFT and didn't even exist if you're talking RoC.

 

[HappyTauren]

some of them are, at least, blizzy completely redid orcs.
But nightelves... this is from war3.mpq, from ROC... it is skin for nothing actualy, it is left there to stay with no need of existance... but it indeed is same wrap as wow one!!!

 

[VGsatomi]

WoW models= extra variety and access to high quality models. Some have been greatly optimized, particularly by modelers crazynutter, to fit wc3 without bogging down the game with excessive poly counts (although I've never actually seen high poly models cause any sort of interferance with gameplay, so I think its just a myth). It's been done many times. Converted from any game models should be allowed, just so long as they have their own seciton so it doesnt overshadow people's original works.
-VGsatomi

 

[Dionesiist]

Okee, I'll mess in this thread as well
What if the models were heavily modified as to fit in wc3 (eg: low-poly, reduced quality on skin and crap like that), would it still be considered just a rip?
What about WoW anims (Not that I can rename those damn bones properly XD), are they allowed if the model itself is completely from scratch?
Ja.

 

[Deathbringer]

Its just then the requests section gets filled with thousands of "night elf with armor A" "Night elf with armor B" "Night elf with armor c" posts..

 

[brad.dude03]

If they are made from scratch.... it shouldn't be a problem, but if they are just ripped straight out of WoW then that's absolutely the kind of thing we don't accept. This is Hive policy, so it's for the Hive to decide. We have our reasons, we've stated them, and that'd why we don't allow WoW models.

 

[HappyTauren]

it is not that u cant use them ingame, it is thing that u should keep them for urself, so basicly, dont post them here, but use them in ur map

 

[Fulla]

Why not just only allow, outstanding/very good model edits.

 

[Wolverabid]

Please read the contents of the thread:

...another excellent point: were some WoW exports allowed and others not, a subjective "cut-off line" would have to be established, a potential source of endless contention. Drawing this line at zero leaves no room for any misinterpretation...

 

[Shadowz123]

So, if someone was to create a World of Warcraft map, me, and i used WoW models in it to make it feel more like WoW, my map would be 'deleted' or 'unnaproved' so to speak cause it includes these models that people dont like?

 

[Wolverabid]

No WoW MODELS (or models extracted from other games) will be approved in our resource section. Maps are an entirely separate issue and are evaluated differently. It's up to the map moderator's discretion as to whether or not to approve them: submit maps that include WoW models at your own risk- there are no guarantees.

 

[Shadowz123]

Oh i see, so maps with WoW models is ok, if used like once, but for my map, probably every single monster will have a WoW model...
all in a neat MPQ, though i dont think were gonna be doing the MPQ version...

 

[Deathbringer]

Why not just play the real wow..

 

[Tonks]

Why not just play the real wow..

Because it costs 15$ a month and is full of 13-year-old brats ? Well, Wc3 is full of brats, too, but not so much.

 

[Kimbo]

Then play ona private server for free? seriously, one who uses EXACT resources of something they are imitating isnt professional at all. Take a look at the wc3 Wow camp hosted here, they are making everything pretty much from scratch that relates to wow, thats what makes them special and how they are utilizing it.

 

[Dragon Knight]

i agree that ripping is not good for modelers that makes models themself but the fact still remains that the game is created by the same creator

 

[Mecheon]

i agree that ripping is not good for modelers that makes models themself but the fact still remains that the game is created by the same creator

Fact still remains that that's irrelevant and its still illegal to have them if you do not own World of Warcraft

Presumably ripping them yourself for private use is a bit more legal, though I'm unsure of the laws exactly

 

[Captain Griffen]

It is illegal to distribute them.

As for ripping them for personal use...that's probably a gray area if you own WoW. Most likely legal. You cannot distribute them though.

 

[VGsatomi]

So now maps that use wow models are not allowed? Now THAT is borderline retarded. Blizzard doesnt even look at these sites anymore, let alone threaten lawsuits against sites that host extracted models or maps that have them imported.

Nothing short of openly selling WoW gold (which directly effects the gameplay of their current cash cow title) will get their attention...and even THEN there is nothing they can do to you except ask you to stop. So to spell it out clearly;

T H E Y

D O

N O T

C A R E

The whole "illegel illegal" whine is not only irrelevant but old and repatative as well.
-VGsatomi

 

[Fulla]

I agree, a shame :-(

 

[Jacek]

Agreed with 2 posts over me...

 

[Tonks]

Blizzard doesnt even look at these sites anymore

Actually they do. They generally take a search through forums like this one for "WoW," "World of Warcraft," "WoW BC" and "Burning Crusade." It's where they get most of their feedback, since so many people start those retarded threads like "omg whats best about wow?"

The whole "illegel illegal" whine is not only irrelevant

How is it irrelevant? The very thing we're discussing is illegal.

T H E Y

D O

N O T

C A R E

And..? Where's the purpose of that message. It doesn't matter if they don't care. It's unethical and most certainly they could take down sites like this at any time they wanted if they decided that we were using too many WoW exports.

 

[Dionesiist]

Then play ona private server for free?

Do you have a char?

 

[Captain Griffen]

It is theft and distributing someone's else's hard work without them getting their pay check from it. Both of those things are illegal and immoral.

 

[Deathbringer]

If you can't afford $15 maybe you are one of the 13 year old brats..

I mean my parents are rock bottom on the income ladder and I can manage to get the money...

 

[Tonks]

If you can't afford $15 maybe you are one of the 13 year old brats..

I mean my parents are rock bottom on the income ladder and I can manage to get the money...

You don't understand. It's not a matter of being able to afford it; it's a matter of not wanting to spend $15 every month on a video game. Not even a very good game, at that.

 

[brad.dude03]

Okay, it is illegal for one, so we do not accept illegal things being posted on here. Just like we don't accept cracks, or warez, pirated software etc being uploaded here, illegal WoW rips are NOT ALLOWED. PERIOD.

If you think that just because uploading a model is illegal doesn't matter because Blizzard doesn't care, you are horribly wrong. So you are encouraging people to break the law? This is what you're implying. If you're only breaking the law for a WoW rip, well that's not so bad. The fact remains, it's illegal, just as illegal as robbing a bank or stabbing someone. We do not condone this whatsoever, so therefor we do not condone uploading illegal WoW rips.

Two, selling WoW gold WILL get you banned. If Blizzard catches you, then you will get banned. Thousands of IP's (mainly chinese) were banned a few months ago in an attempt to crack down on gold farming. Blizzard does not ignore this, and they CERTAINLY will not jus ttell you to stop, nothing more.

Finally, unless you are creating a single player RPG map, using WoW models will skyrocket the size of your map, and then it wont be able to be hosted on BNET anyway, so it's completely pointless. The fact remains that we make it so that there is no room for discussion. WE don't accept WoW models, at all, that way there is no selective treatment and we don't have to draw up rules for what is an acceptable version of a WoW model and what isn't. None of that. We leave them out. And that's that. Unless the Hive policy changes (Ralle or Archian will inform us if it does) WoW models are not allowed.

 

[Pyritie]

WoW models are horrible to begin with. It's not only illegal and immoral to use these (illegal to use in a non blizzard game, and immoral to use in your map) but they are VERY high poly, they come with hundreds upon hundreds of unneeded animations and they are FAR to detailed for WC3 use, anyway. One model will practically bring you past the 4 mb battle.net hosting limit, so they are completely useless to you unless you are making a single player map anyway.

I'm using the DragonWhelp ones in my campaign, mainly because I can't find any good dragon models, and I'm already using the WC3 ones for tons of stuff.

They're only super-high poly if you choose to extract a huge model. And you can always delete the animations; I did do with mine... And they're only 130kb each (and I have portait models too).

So I say go WoW models!

 

[Kimbo]

yeah..lets go and steal! *sarcasm* =_=

seriously, why are you guys repeating your selfs? Its not your work, and just becuase they are cool doesnt make it right, or just because its from the same company doesnt make it right. Diff game, diff people, diff engine. diff rights.

Your extracting copyrighted content, modifying it and putting it into another game, and don't brag about "oh..well your extracting models from wc3..then modifying them" don't start with that..thats being idiotic on MANY levels.

and dudes, just because blizzard hasn't done any action(yet) doesn't mean its legal, thats like saying its okay to shoot someone just as long as the cops dont know (an example..abit over the top yes.) or its okay to get involved with a crime just cause your friends with the cops.

And just because you dont have wow isnt an excuse, dl the bloody thing or pay $2-4 for the trial(2 week trial to play on the official servers) CD (with full WoW on it)and play on a private server ,im very sure thats legal just as long as you don't make your own server.

Seriously, we shouldn't have to repeat our selves, any of us. So accept the rules or learn to do it yourself and dont make it public or share the content directly.

 

[Pyritie]

Besides, I'm only using two models. Both have skins slightly edited, but that's besides the point.

The first thing I do if I want a model is to go and search for it on sites like this one. If I still can't find it, and I really need it, then and ONLY then I get it from WoW.

If I could find a good enough model that pleases me, I would use that instead.

And if WoW models are 'illegal', then why are lots of cinematics using wow music?

 

[brad.dude03]

You tell me? It's still illegal. That's why we don't have music/sound in the Resource section.

 

[SpartanWarrior.]

Soo yea like how come there not allowed.


I say thats pretty idiotic.

O well.

I wont lose sleep on it.

:]

Soo yea, ummm im posting this just to see my sig.

Damn didnt work.


ehh im tired.


Peace.

 

[Kimbo]

................

Please read the sites rules before posting again..EVER.

 

[Kitabatake]

It is theft and distributing someone's else's hard work without them getting their pay check from it. Both of those things are illegal and immoral.

I'm sure blizzard has paid it's modelers for their work, so they do get paid for making those models.

If you would start selling those wow models, then I'd start saying it's illegal and immoral...

 

[brad.dude03]

SPARTANWARRIOR. You are the scum of the earth. DO NOT EVER POST HERE AGAIN UNLESS YOU READ THE RULES. You have violated many:

1) Read the post in its entirety before replying
2) Back up your arguement with some facts or reasoning so we know wtf you're going on about
3) Don't argue about the WoW models
4) Do not triple post!!!!!!!
5) Do not post mindless spam
6) Do not post post mindless spam about your signature!
7) Do not even bother posting unless you intend to contribute to the conversation... you did no such thing.


If you had followed ALL of these rules, you wouldn't be such a bastard in my eyes. But since you didn't, you certainly are.

 

[The_wand_mirror]

Read this line very carefully .. and read it a thousand times over until you agree

WoW is a product of blizzard, Warcraft is a product of blizzard, when you convert WoW models into warcraft format to use them in a map. Whats the point? its all blizzards work anyway so just credit them (and even if you dont credit people will notice a WoW model) and problem solved?

Doesnt anyone think like this?

Rly if blizzard cares about people using models out of a game they made into another game they made then they are weird =/

I would be honored ..