Why are WoW models not allowed?

[The-Weeh.]

U made a good point there -_-

 

[Darkholme]

Wait. Use of WoW models isn't against the rules here? then what is this thread for? I thought maps with WoW models would not be approved here... or is that Wc3Campaigns I saw that on?

 

[HappyTauren]

it was wc3c. It's up to moderator if hes gonna approve map with wow models or not. I don't.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

Point of this thread is why we can't distribute then, not why we can't use them.

 

[brad.dude03]

I think the standard guidelines actually state that maps with WoW models can be approved as long as the models work well in the game (So that they've been heavily edited to reduce filesize as well as animations, etc). Trying to post said models, as well as trying to get information on how to get such models ripped from the game, as well as requesting said rips, are the real problem here.

 

[Darkholme]

ah. That clarifies that.

if you make a map than includes a WoW model, HappyTauren will deny it regardless of other factors, but other mods may not, as there isn't an actual "rule" about such a thing. Is this the basic idea?

 

[HappyTauren]

Look into rules: "The moderator shall decide if he/she is going to approve map containing models exported from World of Warcraft, or not"
I think there is something like that.

 

[Darkholme]

You just agreed wtih me while wording it like a disagreement. There is no rule saying in WHICH situations a mod should approve or disapprove a WoW model, it's entirely up to their opinion and judgement.

Sorry I'm miffed, it's not you really, its the people in project warsoc that are annoying me, I asked mindwurx somethign and instead of an answer from him Ive just gotten large quantities of rudness and insults for no real reason from random other people in the forum. It's seriously pissing me off.

But on the WoW topic, that's precisely what I was saying 5 minutes ago.

 

[HappyTauren]

No, I wasn't wording it against you I just told you to look into rules if you want, to see if it is still there

 

[DarkIron Dwarf]

are these modles things like the really looking skin like the really skin for rangours the firelord

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Except the use of WoW models isn't against the rules here (hey, my campaign has them (but I'm working on it)), while the use of prostitutes/drugs is mostly illegal.

Get the metaphor straight. "Ripping WoW models from the site" is being compared to prostitution here, not "The use of WoW models"

I hate it when people hook up the wiring wrong.

 

[BlinkBoy]

Uploading maps with WoW models is as well illegal (I won't post once more why, look by pages 12-19). So on, they'll still eat modhammer.

Here's the rule:

Maps that violate any of THW's general or specific site rules as detailed in the FAQ

and guess what does THW's rules say, ?

The direct exporting of resources from games other than Warcraft III is prohibited. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, World of Warcraft®. No such resources may be submitted to THW. Forum discussions pertaining to the export or editing of resources from other games will be closed.

just exporting the model is illegal, if you post WoW models in any kind of way, you'll experience the big holy hammer in yar arse!!

 

[Darkholme]

Well that was my initial thought.

 

[HappyTauren]

Actually, Blink, not all moderators unapprove maps with wow rips I do, though.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

Uploading maps with WoW models is as well illegal (I won't post once more why, look by pages 12-19). So on, they'll still eat modhammer.

Here's the rule:

and guess what does THW's rules say, ?

just exporting the model is illegal, if you post WoW models in any kind of way, you'll experience the big holy hammer in yar arse!!

It's allowed if you edit it so much to remove size etc and change the skin so much that you can hardly tell it's a WoW model...

 

[Mecheon]

Actually, Blink, not all moderators unapprove maps with wow rips I do, though.

Which is probably a bad idea. Need I point out that one map that has WoW rips and Blizzard put on their featured maps page?

 

[HappyTauren]

Molten Core? C'mon it was really bad. They only put it there cause its a commercial to WoW.

 

[brad.dude03]

It is really bad, and it was put on the website for Battle.Net, an external company not regulated by Blizzard. They can put whatever they want on there as long as people are playing it, and a shitload of people were playing Molten Core.

 

[Darkholme]

Well, really bad or not, that shows their stance on WoW rips. There's no way they didn't know about it.

 

[brad.dude03]

That part is completely irrelevant. Battle.net IS NOT Blizzard entertainment, therefor, if they really wanted to, could feature a hundred fucking Hentai maps. It doesn't matter that it's porn, people play it so we should feature it!

 

[Darkholme]

That part is completely irrelevant. Battle.net IS NOT Blizzard entertainment, therefor, if they really wanted to, could feature a hundred fucking Hentai maps. It doesn't matter that it's porn, people play it so we should feature it!

lmao. I'm pretty sure they can't put stuff blizzard disapproves of up, or blizzard would make them take it down/sue them/switch their multiplayer away from bnet.

Whatever. Because Blizzard has no problem with it doesn't mean that people at the hive have to follow their lead.The no export rule is the no export rule. If people want model exports or maps with them they can just look at other sites. no big deal.

 

[CrazyWolf12]

I was playing Titan Land on b.net and some one noticed that one of the models was from wow. The game wasn't a huge size, and almost no one ever noticed that it was from wow. So whats the problem?

 

[HappyTauren]

What about reading a goddamned thread?

 

[CrazyWolf12]

What about reading a goddamned thread?

I read it but I didin't bother reading all 325 posts.

 

[Darkholme]

THE POST IS REVIVED AGAIN!

ok crazywolf12. I'll break it down for you.

WoW models don't have all the animations that wc3 models do, and vice versa, you can add them, sure, and in some cases the only thing the wow model lacks is hte decay animation. not too hard.

Wow models need alot of removal of redundant data to be worth the effort in wc3.

However, it's still something that could theoretically be useful in maps.

Now for why they aren't allowed on the hive.

1. They aren't particularly original. - while this argument holds true in the case of just uploading rips, the not original comment is a moot point if youre just using it in a map.

2. In american copyright law, they fall under grey area of whether or not its fair use, based on how you use it/what you do with it.

3. They are blizzard models, and blizzard has not expressly said whether they can or can not be used (though they did host a map with imported wow models on their site to download).

Hive took the conservative route to whether or not ripped models should be used. Some of the people are pretty vocally against it, a smaller number are wholly for it if its useful, and most don't care.

In the case of you not finding hive's rules to be reasonable, there are a handful of wc3 sites that allow wow models in maps, and there is one that allows the direct upload of converted models (though it isn't in english).

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

They also look like shit.

 

[Darkholme]

People say that, but alot worse gets approved on hive. and there are some pretty awful models in wc3 as well.

from wc3, Moon Priestess, Beastmaster (not rexxar, the other beastmaster model), and the BloodElfHero model (not Kael, the other one) are the first that come to mind. those are complete shit.

wow models are crap for an mmo (too low poly). but the thing is, they're better than many of the wc3 models.

 

[HappyTauren]

LOL, you are looking at models in low quality mode noob rexxar and beastmaster look the same, in high quality model settings.

 

[thesteelshark]

THE POST IS REVIVED AGAIN!

ok crazywolf12. I'll break it down for you.

WoW models don't have all the animations that wc3 models do, and vice versa, you can add them, sure, and in some cases the only thing the wow model lacks is hte decay animation. not too hard.

also lack bones animation

 

[xshadowyx]

It is illegal to take the models from World of Warcraft and use them on a Warcraft 3 map, i haven't been informed why but i can take a guess that it is because since you create a map and write your name as an author you take the models as your own and this violates the copyright terms therefore you being a convict.

 

[Huurka]

LOL, playing on a private server is legal to my knowledge and making a server is 100% legal in some countries. What do you want to brag about now? My music?

That is not legal. It is indeed illegal

 

[Kimbo]

That is not legal. It is indeed illegal

That is because they changed their EULA AFTER i said that, dont quote me on old crap =_=

 

[Huurka]

I've seen people asking on the official forums around 2006-2007 and it was still illegal back then.

Too bad they remove such old threads so I have no evidence.

 

[Kimbo]

Then boo hoo, your post is still irrelevant, iv changed my views (OBVIOUSLY) and i dont care.

 

[Captain Griffen]

That is not legal. It is indeed illegal

I'd so love to see that tested in court. I suspect in many countries it is legal, regardless of what Blizzard say. In the USA / UK / many countries, it is illegal to bypass DRM though (EVEN for fair usage - which is totally against all legal norms, but there you go, we live in a Corporatocracy). This means in those countries it likely is illegal.

The servers themselves, however, are far more often legal, as they do not us Blizzard copyrighted material, but merely emulate to act as a server.

 

[Huurka]

4. Limitations on Your Use of the Service.

Only Blizzard or its licensees have the right to host the Game. You may not host or provide matchmaking services for the Game, or intercept, emulate or redirect the proprietary communication protocols used by Blizzard in connection with the Program, regardless of the method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to, protocol emulation, reverse engineering, modifying the Program, adding unauthorized components to the Program, or using a packet sniffer while the Program is running.

I hope this is enough.

 

[Captain Griffen]

I hope this is enough.

EULAs mean little in a court of law.

 

[Huurka]

When you install the game, you agree with the EULA, so yeah. It's breaking the rules.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Ok this is just useless.. Illegal or legal, but they are currently forbidden at hive so leave it be :/

 

[Killer Zig Zag]

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[Dr Super Good]

No matter what is said in a thread like this, the views on the matter will not change until Blizzard offically states it is ok to use WoW models in WC3 and even still we might not allow them as they would result in a ton of spam and hardly anyone will use them (due to bad optimization).

I just do not see that happening in the near or even distant future.

 

[Captain Griffen]

When you install the game, you agree with the EULA, so yeah. It's breaking the rules.

Go look up contract law. The EULA is overriden by reasonable expectations on buying the game. Fair usage and fair contract laws also further restrict the EULA. And some parts of the EULA are just lulz. For example, the bit about it being governed by the laws of Texas or wherever? That doesn't apply. You buys the game in the UK or wherever and use it there, then UK law applies.

 

[Kanaru]

That is because they changed their EULA AFTER i said that, dont quote me on old crap =_=

Blizzard shut down private servers before the game was even released.

For instance, GotWoW? was shutdown during WoW's beta stages.

 

[brad.dude03]

Blizzard will continue shutting them down, but there are far too many for them to attempt to quash it entirely.

 

[Kanaru]

Blizzard will continue shutting them down, but there are far too many for them to attempt to quash it entirely.

They've been shutting down more threatening servers like public servers running Wrath of the Lich King.

 

[Molti]

lol they cant even stop the people running their own private servers in a local network*cough cough* Sluaghter *cough*

 

[Sluaghter]

look at him drag me into this

 

[brad.dude03]

They've been shutting down more threatening servers like public servers running Wrath of the Lich King.

Well duh. It's in CLOSED beta right now, so they don't want people having access to it, obviously. But as for servers running BC? They don't care unless they have like a hundred thousand users. The one WOTLK server had 60 thousand users, and it was barely even done.

 

[Archangel_Tidusx]

3. It puts the modelers(not goddam, geo-mergers or editors) down who have spent many days and even years modeling for wc3, then suddenly a bunch of bozos come in saying "LOOLOL I MAKE MODEL,YOU CAN MODEL SEE MY MODELS?" or they go "I RIPPED THESE ALL FROM WOW (shows 100 models) FEEL FREE TO DL AND GIVE ME CREDIT LOLOL"
-Then people request like...over at least 20 threads or more a week asking for wow models or asking for a ridiculous amount of wow models (50 models or more).

I, personally, agree with all of your points, but this one has to top the cake..

You're amazing =]

My opinion on using WoW models:
I think Wow models are cool. However, If everyone used these models, where would all the individuality go? I have a few WoW models, but I would feel a lot better about myself if I actually was the one creating the model. Really, I think anyone who set their mind as well as devoting their time to learning the modeling process could come up with a model that looks "cool".
I thought I'd never learn modeling, but all it takes is time. Learn the functions of tools and utilize them. Be an individual. Sure, your first model won't be amazing material, but practice makes perfect. Anyone can model. Learn from the pro's.

 

[BlackArmsShadow]

Is it okay to put spell effect models from/based on WoW ones on hive? Or would that fall under the ban too?