The new Horde

[VeljkoM]

They ain't even real allies. They were just needed to make 5v5 races. Horde was desperate at the moment.

 

[AIagremm]

The situation is actually quite clear.

There are two "Hordes" and two "Alliances"

The real Horde and the idiots who are enemies of all in Eastern Kingdoms, like blood elves and Forsaken.

The real Alliance and their allies in Kalimdor(night elves, draenei, Theramore)

 

[dexm]

Alagremm is right but B.elves are officali in the horde cuz there is a questchain on WoW that tells you all about how the B.elves were in the horde for the forsaken I don't know if they want tho feel the warath of the horde P.S I heard some things about the Taunka being a part of the horde.

 

[AIagremm]

Neither are fitting in the Hord,e neither would actually be excepted in the Horde, neither should have allies and both should be scourged from the world!

 

[VeljkoM]

Not true, forsaken support horde all the time. Blackrock clan and Dragonmaw clan are very thankful for their help.

 

[dexm]

VeljkoM that's true about the Blackrock clan and Dragonmaw clan but It will be so awsome if the dark,fell and Thrall's horde were one

 

[AIagremm]

No, that would be crazy in my opinion, but if the other Horde was not that bad and had warloks and stuff insstead of shamans like Thralls horde it would be cool. Plus they would ally the Forsaken sure thing!

But blood elves would either join allaince or remain neutral, Horde is not an option.

 

[Fussiler1]

Why not? Following Warcraft's lore, they would be despised by the Alliance, and the Horde could always use a faction in the Eastern Kingdoms to secure the fact that the Alliance won't grow too strong.

 

[dexm]

Alagremm there is a way to for fell orcs to become normal in RoC orc campaing the last scenario the warsong went fell but later they were back to normal.

 

[trolman]

Thats because they killed Mannoroth.

 

[VeljkoM]

Fel Horde needs first to learn again shamanistic ways. And to kill their Pit Lord again.

 

[dexm]

Ok xD just saying

 

[VeljkoM]

Well the Blackrock clan is best so it is shame they are now not important. I had great time with them in Warcraft 2.

 

[AIagremm]

Speaking of Blackrock clan... it is really confusing. I say it was clearly created after the Dark Portal was opened.

But Rise of the Horde bugs the shit out of me with one thing - the thing that Doomhammer was from Blackrock and not from Thunderlord clan like he was and that Blackrock even existed back then!

Plus Dragonmaw... how the heck did the orcs call it Dragonmaw when they didnt know about them back then!?

 

[VeljkoM]

There is no real explanation for those things. Only questions and ideas.

 

[dexm]

Maybe they were created back then but with other names

 

[Fussiler1]

Erhm, how is it confusing for the Blackrock Clan to be already on Draenor before the Second War?

 

[AIagremm]

Because later it captured the Blackrock spire which already was named so!
Plus many resources state that ti was created during the First War to create a clan that will lead the Horde.

 

[Fussiler1]

Link please.
I prefer to believe that the Blackrock Clan named it like that because it was their territory.

 

[AIagremm]

Dude, Dark Iron dwarves gave it its name centuries before orcs came in Azeroth!

 

[Fussiler1]

Link?

 

[AIagremm]

Just check Dark Irons and even the Blackrock spire itself on WoWWiki!

 

[Fussiler1]

.. So? I mean, comeone, 'Black' and 'Rock' are often used names.
Also, don't go whine about the Blackrock Clan, but about the Dragonmaw Clan.

 

[dexm]

I have prof that the blackrock clan existed on Draenor here is the link http://www.wowwiki.com/Blackhand just start reading and you will see it

 

[AIagremm]

That information is from Rise of the Horde and it is just too weird in some things...

 

[VeljkoM]

And if Al didn't learn whole WoW wiki by now then the 2012 will be end of the world.

 

[dexm]

Well yes but wasnt the Blackrock clanfounded during the First war?

 

[VeljkoM]

That is beauty of retcon. Blizzard thinks that they can include all third party lore without making this kind of problems.

 

[StormWarriors2]

Lol.
Yep basically that is blizzard.

 

[Amargaard]

Wondered if other Goblin Organizations like the Venture Trading Company will become stronger now when Goblins will become a playable race... Maybe will a new Dungeon or Raid finally be introduced with Mogul Razdunk?

 

[Fussiler1]

Eh? Their homeland just got blast to thousand little pieces, how could they become stronger?

 

[Amargaard]

Because they are the worst enemies of the other Goblins... And all playable races has a worst enemy that they share a background-story with:

Dwarves - Dark Iron Dwarves and Titans or something
Gnomes - Troggs and Leper Gnomes
Draenei - Blood Elves
Humans - Horde in general
Night Elves - Satyrs

Orcs - Alliance in general
Blood Elves - Kael'thas's Elves
Trolls - Other Trolls
Forsaken - Scourge
Tauren - Centaurs

 

[Fussiler1]

Blown up homeland = Scattered people equals poor people = Hard to find = No buyers.

 

[Amargaard]

Lol... Venture Trading Company are not the playable ones. They are the bad guy Goblins that chop down the wood in Stonetaloon Mountains and many other places in Kalimdor

 

[Fussiler1]

My favourite compagny. <3

 

[Amargaard]

Yeah, I really would like to know what new battles they and the new Horde Goblins will fight ... !

 

[dexm]

So garrosh is going to be warchef

 

[VeljkoM]

Over Hordes dead bodies.

 

[Phoonix]

i'm bringing back up the MAIN discussions. so -bump-

 

[Fussiler1]

Garrosh as warchief would mean GG to the Horde.

 

[TheFairfield]

But he would not be experienced enough to lead an entire nation, and Durotar would fall into disarray.

 

[VeljkoM]

Why would green Orcs, Tauren and Trolls even listen to him? Oh and the false Horde members like Blood Elves and Forsaken?

 

[AIagremm]

Down with the False Horde! Glory to Honorable Horde! For Warchief Thrall! For Ancestors and Honor! The Spirits are with us! Lok'tar Ogar!!!

Okay, Im done.

 

[VeljkoM]

Why ^^ I like when you show respect for old lore.

 

[AIagremm]

Well the Horde in WoW is just horrible >>

Plus in Cataclysm thanks to Garrosh(yes I said it with that acidic cold talk) the Horde became as evil as it was before, maybe even worse. Where is Thrall? Why is that insolent idiot ruling the Horde, removing the cool members and accepting the idiots and dark ones?!

Thrall should start a new Horde if he wont stay captured by the Allaince in LOST Isles for some strange reason...

 

[VeljkoM]

You made me happy after so long ^^ I could almost cry.

 

[AIagremm]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100702134227/wowwiki/images/f/f0/GarroshCata.jpg

Look at this piece of "art". He looks like one of the orcs from the games where they are evil warlords that want to destroy the whole world to please the demons. Oh wait, I think that what he is. Im pretty sure one day in his little brown head a nice idea will come: "Hey, my pap has drunk demons blood and became so strong that he destroyed his enemies in a day! And then he just got rid of it. I should do that to defeat Alliance! Hey, Shadow Council! Do you want to rule the Horde again?"

 

[VeljkoM]

I thought that he was supposed to hate corruption? And that mud orcs are good and shamanistic.

 

[AIagremm]

They are also peaceful, want to stay on thier own lands and to return to their old traiditons. So far he broke all three, so why not break this one? Also, faceless ones got their own language page! Yay!

 

[Fussiler1]

Lol.