The Old horde

[Phoonix]

Discuss about the old horde who invaded lordearon and where corrupted by demonic magic.

hei does anyone know who started the shadow council in the first place?

 

[VeljkoM]

Guldan probably.
Old Horde was a real deal.It had more clans then new and also Ogres , forest trolls and goblins were in it.If Guldan have died in Warcraft 1 there wouldn't even be Lordearon now.

 

[Phoonix]

nono there would be lordearon. it just wouldn't be all destroyed.
remember Guldan never created lordearon... that where the Humans

 

[VeljkoM]

I meant if Guldan didn't took 2 clans to go to Sargerases tomb and betrayed the Horde Orcs would win but this way Doomhammer had to remove great number of orcs to kill Guldan.

 

[Phoonix]

oh like that. yes that is truth. it was actually a good thing that Guldan did that lol

 

[VeljkoM]

Yes Guldan is the savior of human race.Ironic.

 

[Phoonix]

indeed veary Ironic oO

 

[DarkIron Dwarf]

I miss bladefist he was awesome so was Zul'jin!

 

[Misha]

ironic indeed.

 

[VeljkoM]

Heroes could have been done better.They are just like normal units only little stronger.
But then again if they were stronger it would be a nightmare to kill Guldan and Chogal.

 

[AIagremm]

It was pretty good... in evil way.
But they killed many draenei and ripped the world apart(thank Ner'zhul for that)
I really liked Draenor as one piece. But outland is good too.
The funniest thing is that the heroes of first and second war are still alive(well at least some. By alive I mean existing)Teron Gorefiend still lives and serves Illidan. It probably was a shock for him - once he was destroyer of humankind, and now he serves half-some kind of elf, half-demon Illidan who tries to hide from other demons, and brought naga to outland. It was easy back at the first and second war, but now there are night elves and other races, and all is strange, AAAAAAAAA!
Oh. Got a little carried away

 

[Marshmalo]

Bring back warlock magic! Orcs where so much better when they made pacts with demons and summon evil stuff I don't like all this shaman worship, and yes they should bring back ogres instead of tauren imo.

 

[Phoonix]

lol! shaman worshiping Orc's are waay better. i hate Demons and i hate demonic magic.

 

[Misha]

Shamans are very good for orcs.

 

[Calas]

If your interested the old horde was composed of all races united by the orc, Ogrim Doomhammer

 

[DarkIron Dwarf]

Gul'dan all the way for the Old Horde!

 

[Calas]

Eh Gul'Dan Betrayed the orc and coused them to loose the war as said befor he was forced to work for the horde by ogrim.

 

[Dark Master]

Zul`Jin and the Elves....

 

[Misha]

?

 

[Phoonix]

wtf have the elves and zul'jin to do whit the old horde?

 

[Dark Master]

Second War! Sides were Alliance and Horde. Remember, battle at Tarren Mill! Doomhammer sent 40 man party to free Zul`Jin from the prison of Tarren Mill! Elves were not part of Alliance then. Zul`Jin and the Horde attacked Quel`Thalas then, and Elves lost their woods... Elves, raged, unleashed their full power and formed pact with Alliance. Horde lost many warriors then...

 

[Phoonix]

oh right well can't say this is my best part of lore :/

 

[Dark Master]

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[Tarfen]

I think i like the Old Horde wayyyy better then the new horde...
it just the bloodthirstiness i guess

 

[Phoonix]

i like shamanic Orcs better than violent ones. now this has nothing to do whit the violence itself it's just that the original package is always better.

 

[Tarfen]

idk i guess i just liked it because it was more fun in wc2 how you could get the real units and then war3 comes out and its like...ugh...lol >.<
but i still really love war1 and war2...i would definately play them again if i could just locate them in my boxes >.<
haha
dont get me wrong..i like the new horde...but the taurens...i dont like, they just get really annoying...and i guess they are one of the only reasons i dont like new horde a whole lot...however it is messed up in WoW because didnt thrall Ban Warlocks?

 

[Phoonix]

he didn't have to ban them Warlocks were the cause to the corruption and when the New horde was found they disappeared out of themselves or thats my gues.

 

[AIagremm]

Warlocks are the reason of the Hordes corruption(and some demonic blood).
I really like the New Horde better, but if there werent Forsaken and Blood Elves, it would much better(and less evil). I like that orcs returned to shamans. You can also see that mag'har(uncorrupted orcs)have the same buildings orcs had in the first war(clay and stone monolits). The orcs architecture became more and more war-ish through the wars.

 

[Phoonix]

look people The horde making allies whit the forsaken and blood elves is just total CRAP. thats WoW lore to create the factions, it's total nonsense and i don't want to hear it ever again...

 

[AIagremm]

Me neither. Blood elves are f*cking idiots.
And forsaken are vengefull idiots.
Only tauren, trolls and orcs are ok.

 

[StormWarriors2]

I AGREE
Agreed
i think that the Blood Elves are complete dumbasses who are crying over their homeland so what the people of Lordearon At least don't cry. Opps sry made a mistake but still nobody should be that sad come on you rebuilt your home land just join the f***ing alliance they need the high elves. not just the 1,000 member Sliver Coveant

 

[AIagremm]

Silver Covenant and the high elves rule!
Blood elves suck. They dont want to be like Kael, and they know that demons destroyed their homeland, and still they feed upon fel magic. Even now, when Sunwell was restored, they still feed upon demonic energy. Even the Scryers, loyal to Naaru and serving the light, feed upon demons!(Idiots).

 

[StormWarriors2]

I totally agree but still the damn Blood Elves should go back to being part of the light not the fucking Fel horde

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah!(And their part of the Burning Legion)

 

[StormWarriors2]

No only Kael's Followers are

 

[AIagremm]

And Kael and his followers re part of the Burning Legion.

 

[StormWarriors2]

lol yep. Ok another question wtf happened to the shadow counicl (i abouselty hate them)
but still they are still part of the lore

 

[AIagremm]

They are still active, in both Azeroth and Outland.
They live in Nagrand(Oshu'gun, Kil'sorrow Fortress), Shadowmoon valley and Hellfire Peninsula(Maybe somewhere else).
On Azeroth they have many places. Some of them(Stormreaver clan)are on the Broken Isles.
They still serve the Burning Legions, and their own ways.

 

[StormWarriors2]

damn at least guldans dead -.-

 

[AIagremm]

But he corrupted Shadowmoon valley when he raised the Hand of Gul'dan.
And he severed the connections between orcs and the elements. And he left Stormreavers and the Horde helpless when he went to tomb of sargeras. And so on.

 

[VeljkoM]

Because of Guldan Horde lost the Second war.If he didn't drag Stormreaver and Twilight clan to the isles and if Tothgrin clan wasn't sent to stop him orcs would have won.

 

[AIagremm]

I dont think that if the Horde won the second war, that would be good for the world.

And yes. Gul'dan is a f*cking traitor.

 

[VeljkoM]

Why not.There would never be Arthas and the cult of the damned this way.

 

[AIagremm]

There would be Burning Legion, that would take over the world.
But... Draenor would never be destroyed. Maybe.
So... with or without Arthas the world is doomed.
But if Nerzhul was killed, Draenor would never been destroyed, the Scourge and the Burning Legion would never come to this world, and Horde would destroy itself(leaving Frostwolf clan and Thrall, so the history of the New Horde would continue anyway).
But what would happen to the draenei?

 

[VeljkoM]

Why would they do that?Maybe they would set sail to other lands?Remember that goblins where allies with the Horde so they would have knowledge of all lands where goblins trade.
Any war between orcs would be war of Azeroth Horde vs Dreanor Horde.New Horde would never be created because Thre wouldn't be Blackmore or prison camps.

 

[AIagremm]

Right. Plus even if the orcs would go to Kalimdor Burning Legion would already be there, trying to destroy the night elves.

 

[VeljkoM]

And orc without Thrall wouldn't be able to fight corruption.Ogrim is great orc but even he feels the need to kill.

 

[AIagremm]

Nerzhul was actually good and didnt want orcs to become corrupted.
When he found out that their connection with elemnts severed he came to Oshu'gun, and saw horrible things there. Then he found out that Guldan knew about it all along and liked it. It was too much for Nerzhul I think, so he turned evil.

 

[VeljkoM]

He wasn't evil he just went nuts.He wanted power and he paid the price.

 

[AIagremm]

Thats almost poetry