The Old horde

[VeljkoM]

Gul'dan was the leader of the council and Ner'Zhul was tricked by Kil'Jaden. Warlocks use very dangerous magic and there aren't many alive (until WoW came and Horde change policy of "no Warlocks allowed").

 

[StormWarriors2]

well considering that warlocks are powerful. all power comes at a price minus natural magic because its natural. warlock magic takes away from the soul and you need to have the will it also must be that all warlock powers are bariganed for, minus daemons of course because they are the contractors. Also all Shamans ask nature for abilities, their are 5 spirits. Water, Earth, Wind, Fire and Wild, unlike warlocks who do not ask for it, they have the power to do it, but it matters on their will power and their mind in order for it to be powerful enough.

 

[Fussiler1]

Aye. I've read Lord of the Clans, and there was an example.

''A shaman asks for lightning and he gets it, but a warlocks creates hellfire, thus losing a bit of his soul.''

 

[StormWarriors2]

well the shaman usually gets it, not always.

 

[AIagremm]

Indeed. Shaman asks, and is thankful for the gift given to him.
Warlocks just take, but when you take, you also lose.
This is why its an easier, but a darker path.

 

[VeljkoM]

And usually ends with doomguard stepping on you.

 

[AIagremm]

Nah. You usally explode from a wrong spell, which summons a doomguard thanks to your remains, and then he steps on them.

 

[VeljkoM]

I was thinking of WoW warlock class. You can control Doomguard only for 5 min and after that run like hell. Also doomguard is enemy when summoned in first place.

 

[AIagremm]

Yes, he is. Controlling your enemy doesnt mean making him your ally.

 

[VeljkoM]

I wander what would happen if group of high lvl warlocks summon wild Doom Guards to attack Stormwind? You know just let them loose?

 

[Fussiler1]

Every level 1 'till level 80 would go kill them, assisted by the guards. Meh. But the Doomguards would be able to kill some newbies.

 

[AIagremm]

Old Horde was kul.

 

[Evillizard]

Lust for more is within the mind. This lust was created when Kil'jaeden f*cked up Ner'zhul and told him to destroy the Draenei. Otherwise, it would have been Farahlorn Fields Forever

 

[Evillizard]

And about the doomguard thing... lol, I have done that once. We got a few warlocks in the guild and we did a bunch of inferno on darn (It was easier there because no one likes darn, less people) and after the infero slavery was up they went crazy.

 

[AIagremm]

Lest discuss Auchindoun! Its awesome. I mean there are ancient catacomsbs in it, in which has camps in the impact parts of it. I just dig tents and stuff that are in tunnels and catacombs! Auchindoun is awesome!

 

[Fussiler1]

Might be the place where the Necropolis partially came from, as Wowwiki mentions it as a Draenei Necropolis.

 

[AIagremm]

Well actually it is a Mausoleum. ANyway its awesome and it is going to be in Fall of Draenor.

 

[Fussiler1]

-Casts Resurrection on this group-

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh so...does Dark Horde count as Old Horde?

 

[AIagremm]

No, its just one of its parts:
-Thrall's Horde
-Dark Horde
-Fel Horde

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea but it is most similar. They still have connections with Trolls, Ogress, Goblins and Dragons.

Also when we say old Horde I always think of Clans in Azeroth during the first and second war. Those who were still on dreanor were kinda independent. Fel Horde is mostly orcs that were unlucky to remain in outland.

 

[Levdragon]

The Old horde fractured into two parts after the war, the northern hordes which were imprisoned by the alliance. Later this split even further into the blackrock group which still believed in the demonic ways and the new horde [thralls horde] which believed in the old ways and wanted freedom.

The other part was still called the old horde for a while until it was renamed the dark horde. this was rend, main and any other chieftans still left in azeroth after the first closing of the portal. Also after the second closing even more clans joined the old/dark horde. But really they don't believe in demons more such in nefurian the evil black dragon.

Another unknown but very much alive horde was the fel horde. These were orc survivers from the shattering of draenor that had direct interaction with a great demon [such as a pit lord, magtheridon] and drank its blood.

Hope that answers your questions ^^. BTW I'm lev and new to this lore section but very much love warcraft lore

 

[VeljkoM]

That's even better then in wiki because the didn't remember orcs from Human and Undead missions.

Also isn't dark horde ruled by Rend because his brother died and is Blackrock clan despite them being killed up north and that Rend is from Black Grin tooth clan.

And welcome to the group.

 

[AIagremm]

Well the orcs in Lordaeron were just Blackrock Clan, unlike the ones in Azeroth who were Dark Horde.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yes but the clan ruling Dark Horde is Blacrock and yet they are in Lordearon. And where is BTG clan? I only saw Blacrock and Dragonmaw.

 

[Levdragon]

BTG is controlled by rend and main so it merged with blackrock to make dark horde? Theres also frostwolf and warsong but they both left. BTW what's thralls clan called, or is it just thralls horde? I don't think its frostwolf even though it should be Thralls cause of inheritance.

There are two blackrock clans or even three. The first is the northern survivers which fought for freedom but ultimately as i mentioned before now serve the legion. The second are the ones to south but they're more other clans claiming the blackrock legacy, the true blackrock clan is thrall which can be argumented that he is actually leader of the blackrock since doomhammer passed the title on to him. So thrall could be leader of the blackrock clan but that just doesnt seem right ? :/

 

[AIagremm]

Actually Thrall's Horde is Horde. It is made out of Warsong, Frostwolf, Shattered Hand, Burning Blade and members of some other clans.

Actually he isnt. Blackrock clan was destroyed and the remnants became the Blackrock Clan in Alterac and the ones in Azeroth. Some of them however joined Thrall later. When Doomhammer joined Thrall he had no clan and he still had the title Warchief, so he passed the Warchief titale, not chieftain title.

 

[VeljkoM]

But Al the Dark Horde main clan are Blackrock and Dragonmaw.

 

[Levdragon]

Even so Doomhammer commanded the loyalty of many orcs I'd presume, plus if he so old and battered he could have easily taken command of the horde over from jubei'thos

 

[Fussiler1]

I don't think so, seeing as Doomhammer disappeared and could be marked as 'traitor'

 

[Tarfen]

in the books Doomhammer didnt disappear it said he was defeated by Turalyon after Lothars death and he was on his way to Lordaeron...im not sure but i think also somewhere something is stated that he gets freed from that caravan by orcs...not sure though...any thoughts?

 

[AIagremm]

No idea.

 

[Fussiler1]

Lord of the Clans says:

He was captured and shown in Lordaeron City, then he escaped and disappeared for years.

 

[Levdragon]

I don't think they would 'show' him to the people. I believe he managed to escaped after being detained? Maybe by Grom? But that wouldn't make sense actually since he would be held in the utmost highest security camp. Poor doomhammer he doesn't deserve this ):

 

[AIagremm]

Being shown in Capital City? That doesnt sound like Lordaeron or any other Alliance nation at all!

 

[Fussiler1]

He was an Orc, not a mean puppy,

 

[Levdragon]

haha, Yeah I think Lord of the Clans where writting about Romans and mixed them up ;P

 

[Fussiler1]

Ehm.. lol...

 

[VeljkoM]

Novelist were there when game was made so obviously they lack every detail.

 

[Fussiler1]

Well, Blizzard didn't really had much lore on Thrall's early life, so what if they made some things up?
That Arthas book was blasphemous to me, but Lord of the Clans is still acceptable.

 

[trolman]

Lord of the clans was a good book......

 

[VeljkoM]

Nobody says it isn't good. It is just made by novelist who isn't part of the team who created warcraft.

 

[Fussiler1]

But then again, the game of Lord of the Clans was cancelled, so..

 

[VeljkoM]

The book is way better thing then that game.

 

[Levdragon]

"You will stand trial for your crimes. You will stand in Capital City, in chains as the leaders of the Alliance decide your fate, and there you will acknowledge your full defeat. But you will not be so lucky. You will die here, with the rest of your kind, and this world will be rid of your taint forever!" Turalyon, High General of the Alliance of Lordaeron.

I was half wrong, they didn't show him to the people but kept him in chains in the imperial court most likely infront of the alliance leaders.

 

[Fussiler1]

Yep.

 

[Amargaard]

Wondered, are the Ogres in Outland part of the Dark Horde?

 

[AIagremm]

No, they are on their own there

 

[Amargaard]

Well, guess they was once then?

 

[AIagremm]

No they werent