The Old horde

[Fussiler1]

Well, 'tis true that he was a warlock.. yes, the Frostwolves weren't corrupted, but it's impossible none of them were.

 

[Fussiler1]

The Frostwolves were uncorrupted, but I think it's impossible for all of them.
Maybe Drek'thar was warlock in his time on Draenor.. who knows?

 

[VeljkoM]

I have find it in Wiki and it was from book about rise of the Horde. Apparently he was shaman then he went to Gul'dan killed Draenei but refused to drink blood and was exiled.
Can it get stupider? Yes, yes it can because he was after greatest shaman who thought Thrall way of the shaman.

 

[AIagremm]

He wasnt greatest. He was the only shaman.
Its like "Remember how I won that competition? I was the best challenger!" "You were the only challenger."

 

[VeljkoM]

Only= best. Who was better?

 

[AIagremm]

Srsly. Well, those who were before.

 

[VeljkoM]

Which is more powerful? Shaman or warlock? In game it was without doubt warlock.

 

[AIagremm]

But me hates warloks! Me likes shamans. Shamans - good!

 

[Fussiler1]

Warlocks are way stronger. Warlocks receive Fel Magic for a part of their soul, without asking, just taking.
Shamans need to ask for it, the Elemental Spirits can refuse.

 

[AIagremm]

But if you will tell them that you need power to beat stupid warlocks, no way they will refuse(they are still angry at the fel magic for taking their clients)

 

[Fussiler1]

I'm not sure what is stronger, Fel or Natural Elementary.

 

[AIagremm]

Each is powerfull in one way.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well Fel or demonic energies are based on destruction and power wile shamans are more guardians.

 

[AIagremm]

Me like shamans. I liked the orcs and the whole Draenor was such an awesome place before... Nerzhul came.
"Why does Guldan take all the fun? I want to be a bitch too!"

 

[Fussiler1]

That is so not true. Teron Gorefiend asked him to create a portal to another world. Ner'zhul agreed, but he had a couple of items needed, included Gul'dan's skull, who corrupted him then.

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah. Nerzhul was a pretty good fellow once, but then he fell to corruption(and idiotism).

 

[Fussiler1]

Damn Gul'dan and his nasty tricks..

 

[VeljkoM]

But Ner'Zhul wanted to open portals before he met Teoron.

When Ner'Zhuls forces acquired skull of Guldan they freed Death Knight and they swore their loyalty to Ner'Zhul.

 

[Fussiler1]

Err, no. Teron convinced him. The Deahtknights were never captured, you know, >>

 

[VeljkoM]

But NerZhul gives you orders to get skull of Guldan before you get death Knights. Play the game and you will see that.

Teron is shown in forth mission wile rest of death knights are released from Ogre Mogor that controlled them.

 

[AIagremm]

Guys, who were the most important guys in the first war? Lothar, Ilane. But who were the heroes of the Horde? Also - did you note that in the second war the Horde has trolls and ogres, while in the first war there were no trolls, and ogres were the enemies of the Horde(I know that the Horde made an alliance with the trolls in the second war). The palces of orcs, were taken by other races.

By the way, I was thinking about the trolls. When the Second War ended and the portal was closed, were some of the trolls in Draenor?

 

[VeljkoM]

I am positive that some trolls were in Dreanor since they were used as archers. But then it wasn't really explained how were orc armies managed. It was always some clan mentioned. Trolls joined orcs after orcs rescued Zul'jin from elves and before that they were neutral.

Also Ogres were brought from Dreanor to keep order among orcs after the first war. But there were in Warcraft 1 neutral ogres. They had an icon.

 

[AIagremm]

I know, they were neutral.

 

[VeljkoM]

It was great time... There wasn't all that RPG shit and stupid lore. It was just pure war...pure killing. It was us or them.

 

[StormWarriors2]

ok good no wow crap well any way. The Old Horde Was Awesome. They had the allies and the armies but it was just one stone that defeated them. Hint hint the Shadow Council.

 

[Fussiler1]

The Old Horde = The easiest way to live, but you get corrupted.
The New Horde = The hardest way to live, but you stay pure and stay a real orc.

 

[VeljkoM]

Old Horde was still better but I don't get that one stone? Old Horde was officially defeated when Dragonmaw clan was destroyed by red dragons. Also during Second war orcs didn't worship demons or used warlocks so you can't call them corrupted. Orcs haven't really changed that much, they are still great warriors that can't live without war.

 

[Fussiler1]

The Orcs were corrupted and their leaders too.
I mean, the reason the Orcs didn't break free of the prisoncamps was because they were depressed that the warlocks couldn't grant them demonic power and bloodlust.

 

[VeljkoM]

Now you see a lore loop hole. Ogrim never drank the blood and didn't worship demons. In fact he liberated Horde from Shadow council and has cast out all warlocks.

 

[Fussiler1]

Agreed. Orgrim did not, but the other leaders did, and Gul'dan made the Stormreaver Clan, remember?

The Orcs must've gained demonic power too, because the Burning Blade Clan was totally maddenned by it.

 

[StormWarriors2]

Well Orgrim was uncorruptable, he was everything every orc should and wants to be. He was the Warcheif and the best one of all. Apart from Thrall who so deserved it. Not some panzy ass short mini hellscream wanting to be a warchief god damn why can't they just kill him. I wish thrall beat him to death. -.-

 

[Fussiler1]

Grom never wanted to be warchief. By the way, why he got corrupted for the second time was ; Die, or live.

 

[StormWarriors2]

talking about his son. duhhhh

 

[VeljkoM]

Burning blade clan are just mindless leaderless orcs used because of their brutality. Also Groms son is a bastard if you ask me. Shit orcs weren't part of the horde so long and now he wants to be leader? I can't see green orcs, taurens and trolls agreeing to that.

 

[Handycombinder]

Isen't Burning Blade infused with Demonic magic and obeys the Burning Legion?

 

[VeljkoM]

Well all orcs in first war were like that but burning blade clan are only fighters. All Blademasters are from there.

 

[StormWarriors2]

Well not all of them. One exception the one that Tirion Fording saved was not from the burning blade.

 

[VeljkoM]

I can't find where it says he saved "blademaster". It just says orc. Also that is a novel so guess why there is mistake?

 

[StormWarriors2]

yeah hes a blademaster it says that in warcraft 2. he is thralls advisor.

 

[VeljkoM]

Warcraft 2 doesn't have blademasters. Ok for advisor thing but I still can't find that he is blademaster.

 

[Fussiler1]

You guys mean Eitrigg?

 

[VeljkoM]

I think so. I never heard of him until now since I don't search novel lore that much.

 

[Fussiler1]

Meh. It's easy to find him on WoWwiki. Just go to Tirion Fordring and click Eitrigg.

 

[VeljkoM]

That is how I fund him but I still can't find where it says that he is Blademaster.

 

[StormWarriors2]

well his model is one -.-

 

[VeljkoM]

Well Sylvanas used night elf model and she isn't night elf.

 

[AIagremm]

But she had a high elf skin. And undead elf skin.

 

[VeljkoM]

Just saying that so models are overused but with different skin.

 

[Bigkoolal]

maybe Warlock have more power because they ddon't need to ask for it, but tell me About only 1 Warlock, only 1, who didn't finish dead, crazy or totally powerless. and, maybe i'm awnsering REALLY too loate, but I think Ner'zhul started the Shadow Council. maybe i'm wrong.

 

[Bigkoolal]

when I start to wrote, the last page was 11, and now it's 15...