The Ultimate Hellmouth <v4.6.2>

[robizeratul]

This is not the type of map I enjoy so my review isn't worth much.

I must say however, besides the unsinkable cinematic in the beginning, this is a really well made map. Everything looks really polished and professional, it truly feels like he spent 1+ year on this.

If you have friends to play with, this is a must try! Rare seeing something new and fresh but this map delivers.

 

[MadnessTheKey]

Good map.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Thanks for you feedback guys.
robizeratul your help with description is credited. Glad you find my work is something "fresh". Yeah, i've been trying to make something really new, beside the fact where some old ROC maps inspired me. There were poorly executed, and delivered fun only with simple tricks I never used in gameplay here. So when I made an AI for Undead (that was the first thing I made in map) computer, I already knew I overcome their idea. The only thing I recreated if PaladinsVSDreadlords thing and raising Undeads when you kill villagers.
During the development I've encountered some maps that been similar with idea. But still, they had no idea what to do with computer units. When I did AIs, my idea still looked bored and dull. I realised what's the diffrence between mini-game and fully genre. I could give up my work many times, but new and new ideas been chasing my mind, so today I finally managed to present it as a MAP. It works incredible for me, though I'm lacking of for any testers who can help me.

 

[robizeratul]

I would help you as a tester, but I am more of an RPG player, so this map is very different from what I play.

Still, I could try and see. Maybe you are lucky and more people come! These days it's hard finding 8 people for a single map...

 

[ToldYouSo]

I would help you as a tester, but I am more of an RPG player, so this map is very different from what I play.

Still, I could try and see. Maybe you are lucky and more people come! These days it's hard finding 8 people for a single map...

Maybe I am. We can only wait and see. Though even 4 people is appropriate number.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I gave up trying to make a wc3 screenshot appropriate to a preview, so I used someones' awesome art.

 

[deepstrasz]

Credits should be given. You could write a list being helped by this: Resources in Use by The HellMouth 3.4d | HIVE
Would be nice including the original author of the maps you're referring to and their project names.
Not sure the AoS tag fits really.

1. There is no map description in the lobby before starting the game and neither on the loading screen. Add an author too.
2. No information in the quest log about game rules. Would be nice to have some.
3. Some abilities have broken or unseen text coloured descriptions. Example: the one to the right of Devotion belonging to Mefist.
4. A copy of the Sentry Wards but one of them costs?
5. The exclamation mark remains on Landi's location not on him after he starts moving.
6. Leaves are falling from the sky
7. Wand of Regeneration can be clicked but nothing happens (I guess item copy "error").
8. The castle needs some pathing blocking since units can pass through it.
9. You can get through the walls in the southwestern fort to the snow without needing to destroy the gate. Press P or click the option in the View menu bar to see pathing in the editor. Same happens with many villages as the one in the northeast where you can get through the fences too.
10. If you could make the world feel more alive as most units just stand idly.
11. Why not be able to drop items as Death Grip and Forgotten Shield? You can take them with the human heroes. Feels weird for that dagger or sword to just be lying near two Peasants.
12. Only Villager Women have levels?
13. Pretty scarce wildlife.
14. There's a lot of walking on Slow movement speed.
15. Avoid playing music through the sound channel. Use the other Play Music trigger.
16. As a dreadlord you lose 3-4 seconds of the materializing time in that the timer still has those seconds and the creature already starts to materialize.
17. Alright so, dreadlords don't have any optional quests. Shouldnb't there be a scoreboard/panel to know how many villagers are still needed to be killed. Also, shouldn't there be a 30 minute timer?
18. I suggest at least changing the auras for the Paladins since 4 Devotion Auras are just not useful. That if you don't want to further diversify all heroes.

All in all a nice map which could do with more content, quests and wildlife.

Awaiting Update. (credits list)

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[ToldYouSo]

Credits should be given. You could write a list being helped by this: Resources in Use by The HellMouth 3.4d | HIVE
Would be nice including the original author of the maps you're referring to and their project names.
Not sure the AoS tag fits really.

Im very glad to see your feedback deepstrsz as I wanted least a bit of evaluation of how my map feels to play. My last mounthes Ive been troubled with progression, coz I could not force myself to get a fresh view on game, supposed to be played in multiplayer or just someone else except for me.
I will try to update all this things you listed. Some of them are not supposed to work like that: as I tested now they got broken with my last update. Dont know what do u suggest with leaves. Also wildlife was concerning me a lot, but still I have too much ideas how im gonna make it more "living":
1) Make a big system that will determine a behavior for every villager (that includes moving, talking, animation playing)
2) Make them move at random places, but dont let it be too chaotic.
The militia seems a good bot for me, though. They can patrol on a map (barracks are fully working buldings, they spawn patrols units if something go wrong on areas). For Paladins test there should ve been a test command "undeadarmytt", but for some reasons it doesnt work now too.

If you want me to credit that authours who made original maps.... Well, I just cant find them coz they seem to bee too old and unfamous. i can credit them as "group" who inspired me, because anyway, I only used some basics ideas.

EDIT about 18 paragraph: Devotion aura should not be as strong as you think. It mostly useful for militia units and allow Team Paladin to divide with opportunity to always buff the areas they protect.
Though I find 4 Paladins too boring to be. Further development will probably include reducing their count to 3, and Player 4 will have a choise to pick a Alliance-Neutral hero (I find it as a great move), so there will be a choice to get additional Player 4 or to get a little buff for Paladins and Militia.

 

[deepstrasz]

If you want me to credit that authours who made original maps.... Well, I just cant find them coz they seem to bee too old and unfamous. i can credit them as "group" who inspired me, because anyway, I only used some basics ideas.

Most importantly credit the authors from whom you've used the skins/models/icons etc.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Most importantly credit the authors from whom you've used the skins/models/icons etc.

Ofcource, I will mention every author hiveworkshop found to me.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Map is updated to 3.5

---- 3.5 Changelog
-Fixed a lot of broken functions and other bugs (thx to deepstrasz).
-Added a scoreboard showing the percentage of remained villager for both teams.
-Other little stuff.
I also gave more information about gameplay, you can check in Quests tab.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I would really like to get more feedbacks, it keeps me up to work on HellMouth as fast as I can, beside I have some business now

 

[ToldYouSo]

I am planning to update this map with more functionalities when warcraft 3 will get more functions. However, if someday wc3 is going to get a remastered version, that will be a good reason to keep up working too, haha! Just a dream.
As for now, im stll having a business to do. It might take a kot of time, up to a end of this year.

 

[Velrog]

The map has bugs. Enemy team always gets DC when i host it, my teammates always lose gold without doing anything... not even buy stuff and their gold vanishes... Can you pls fix this? Otherwise the map remains unplayable...

 

[ToldYouSo]

The map has bugs. Enemy team always gets DC when i host it, my teammates always lose gold without doing anything... not even buy stuff and their gold vanishes... Can you pls fix this? Otherwise the map remains unplayable...

Velrog Im really sorry for those terrible DC bugs you have met. I couldnt normally test some sort of bugs like these, so there might be just a lul bug make enemy team disconnected from a game. Damn.
I will be able to fix this map only in December, but ill make it for sure.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Happy to announce I updated my map and removed all bad bugs. Finally!

 

[Fintrik]

The map is just great i like how difficult it is, sometimes it forces to play very safely but many times its problem for begginers.
Also sometimes happens that players suddenly disconnect for no reason, its probably bug you should fix. (WC 1.26, Gameranger)

EDIT: Last time it happened few seconds after red paladin compled a quest (Probably some desynch in triggers? Also i am not sure if colors matter that much it happens to any slot)
The bug is similiar to what Valrog experienced

Enemy team always gets DC when i host it

Also i recommend to test the map through multiplayer, its the best way of finding bugs and exploits.

 

[ToldYouSo]

The map is just great i like how difficult it is, sometimes it forces to play very safely but many times its problem for begginers.
Also sometimes happens that players suddenly disconnect for no reason, its probably bug you should fix. (WC 1.26, Gameranger)

Well can u explain approximate time when DC happens? Or describe what excactly you've been doing at the time when DC happenned. I couldnt fix things like that only because I cant meet them as a single player tester.
I dont think this map is unfair or even difficult. If u die on Dreadlord, u will keep playing as Undead necromancer. However, if u die on Paladin, u a dead and that's it. I think I'll give them a playable unit too.
There are so much improvements I plane to make. I am delaying them just because I have a lot of time before Reforged will be released, and no one but me is interested in development of this map.

 

[ToldYouSo]

That’s it! If u will find any terrible bug I ll immediately release a patch fix, but for now my work is done. It’s not completed as I wished, but it should be fully functional.
The most reason why I’m done with HellMouth is disappointment I felt during the development. Wc3 engine put me in hard troubles with code compatibility, and wc3 custom maps popularity is too low now, I did not expect that to be honest.
Reformed seems to be an interesting thing, but not enough to. Their Warcraft politics may ruin all the expirence.

Hope somebody enjoy this map, and won’t be afraid that HellMouth still remains too incomprehensible.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I guess I have some plans about this map, and probably update it with some new gameplay tricks.

First of all, I want to add at least one new mission to Paladins.
Secondly, I'll try to diversify (if this word is correct enough) the way Paladins work. I mean, not only by completing some quests and trying to protect all the settlements that are under attack. I think they need some options, like training additional Militia units and ordering them to patrol some settlements.
WTF! I dont know.... I feel like Paladins need something more, but I dont know how I can make that happen.


And thirdly ofc, Im still planning to give 4 Player not Paladin, but some kind of custom hero he can play.
And yeah, someday Ill remove all the custom models and skins from this map, so It's free to be played on Reforged.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I'm happy to announce 3.8 is coming in these days! It reworks or greatly improves every cinematic in map, and reworks vision system that Paladins need! No more shitty wards, now have every Paladin has an ability to take permament control on any unit on a map ( distance is unlimited), giving unit true vision and bonus stats. Why this is much better? Coz u don't need to buy wards and placing them somewhere, u can just explore vision on area and taking control on nearest unit around (including only militia units)

 

[ToldYouSo]

I have some plans about making 3.9 (release within 2-3 weeks):
1)So Militia and Cititzens AI can feel more alive, so Citizens wont stand just idly and move around their's locations. Yeah it's still not enough, but this already takes a lot of effort to release
2)Adding some new missions for Paladins. "Orc Invasion", "Spider nest".
And some little features. That's it.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Im getting back, and this is what I am planning to do (with specific plans):
1) So until Paladins go to complete each quest related with rebels, spiders, or anything else, the map is going to be randomly attacked by enemy npc. This will make gameplay more alive whatever heroes are going to do. Some of enemies will also react to Dreadlords, as they can attack them or run away.
2) Citizens will likely to have some AI roles. Children may go out of their fixed area, women may call for Militia for much more area (when being attacked or losing his children somewhere), and men may likely to fight enemies, especially when it comes to protect his family, workers may repair buildings.
3) To the beggining of the game there will probably less Militia units, but every area may have barracs, so they spawn more units. I will probably add more buildings like Lumber (gives more armor to buildings around), and Farm (giving more health to Militia), but for now im not sure how to implement this into balance of the game (require much more effort and attention).

A new hero for Paladins team is postponed now due to just it's not really actual this map need. I'm really excited to make this plans, because Hellmouth for the first time in a long time is going to transfrom into something great.

 

[ToldYouSo]

3.9 sucked out of me all strength. I'm gonna take a short break, but be sure, 4.0 is gonna released this September, and it will be epic. There's a lof of ideas I should release.

Feel glad to get some feedbacks. Even if I have my expectations about forcing Hellmouth to Reforge engine, the matter of fact: it's not only originality that makes game popular. Like dota did, it also should be brilliantly made, taking care of every detail. So I want your feedback even if it require new knowledge. I dont care.

 

[ToldYouSo]

The one thing I dont cleacly understand is that this map wans't shown up by update.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Im not even surprised I locked the 1st clan. Fixed.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I'm completely disappointed coz I'm still getting messages that this game keeps players disconnected. I can't test this, so I don't know what can exactly do that, but I'm gonna completely remove every GetLocalPlayer() functions (except for text it should work fine anyway).

 

[ToldYouSo]

Should I upload mini patches for Hellmouth? To be honest, they are all really important, as I fix a lot of bugs and make this game more casual to players by changing difficulty.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Ive been fighting hardly with a bag that breaks workability of Hellmouth, and saddenly the reason was... A some sort of triffle I could not noticed. Oh. My
GOD.
I hate my life.
I would probably not describe what kind of a bag is that, because I guess this is related with a russian version of jass new gen pack (yes this thing does exist).

Will upload this bugfix with a new version.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Im really proud of myself, I spent so much affort and time on developing Hellmouth.. But it was worth it.
I also had patient to convice some ppl test it for me, as I was telling them what exactly to do while I was checking for Debug. And I feel like that I solved every serious problems with this map. At least, after testing through multiplayer and single multiple times, I could'nt find any bug.

Though still feel a lil bit frustrated, coz these bugs could be solves much time ago. Well, that's a life.

Im getting a break. Maybe for 2-3 weeks, maybe for more. Anyway, hope you enjoy this map!

Yeah and for everyone who is wondering: the game rules starting from 3.9 to 4.3 was completely REWORKED. As for the most change, I've never thought it's a good idea to let heroes getting respawned after dead, but since balance is changed, I implemented it and turned out it was great idea.

 

[ToldYouSo]

OMG
SHJFAHSFGHASG

I just noticed I didnt remove some test stuff.
So this map gets over after gettking killed a citizen.

FIXED.
IM SORRY.

HAVE FUN BOYS.

 

[Regent_Artiman]

I have a lot of fun with this map.
it was funny that an army of citizen were running and an army of undead were chasing them and I stuck among my own army chasing livings

 

[ToldYouSo]

I have a lot of fun with this map.
it was funny that an army of citizen were running and an army of undead were chasing them and I stuck among my own army chasing livings

Well, I only knew about getting stuck in citizens when playing Paladins, because citizens can have static positions.
Anyway I'm glad you enjoyed Hellmouth.

 

[Regent_Artiman]

There is something else. I noticed at the end of the game that I have citadel that I can upgrade my units with it. If you make that building hero that would be better.

 

[ToldYouSo]

There is something else. I noticed at the end of the game that I have citadel that I can upgrade my units with it. If you make that building hero that would be better.

That's actually a pretty nice idea, never thought of that. Probably add it.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I see a lot of youtubers and ppl playing wc3 nowadays, and a lot of doubtful maps they try, and nobody is paying attention to HellMouth. So I wonder, a simple question: why not trying it at least? The only reason I understand is that this map does not have enough feedback and all previous versions had... much bugs.

But still.
At least they could have told me, could have given a single feedback, divide their expressions on 2 simple steps:
1)How does game idea feels
2)How does map feels to be played
Indeed, this map has no enough content, and I've made a lot of mistakes during development, but I really tried to make game idea unique. I've never had enough community feedback, never tested it in multiplayer until last months, and just wonder: if I decide to keep getting better and better in my life activity, is Hellmouth remains to me worth spending time to work on it? Hope I'll save my motivation on this map even if Reforge is going to fail a lot or not even a soul will appreaciate idea of this map.

 

[Regent_Artiman]

The only reason I understand is that this map does not have enough feedback

Yes. I found this map really fun :\ I dunno why people won't leave any feedback

 

[ToldYouSo]

I've got a lot of nice and neat ideas for Hellmouth, but since I need material things and fully dedicated myself to work stuff, I dont have time for Hellmouth. Developing requires all the strength I have.
Hope I'll continue to work in a mounth.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Glad to say I'm getting back to work.
Reforged leaked gameplay made me really think I should work on Hellmouth before reforged comes out.

 

[ToldYouSo]

This a full rework of Paladins base.
I also fixed some bugs that caused a game to lag every second.
Also Paladin base rework means a patrol rework is coming, with a new optional quest: Orc Invasion.
More information will be explained in 4.4 changlog.

 

[ToldYouSo]

The new update is a half way done, it has so much rework stuff and new content such as new quest.
I really try to not cause some bags in game by bring a new update, but I guess I will fix it immediately once you tell me about them.

 

[ToldYouSo]

The only thing is left is to add a new quest.
Feel tired so, not ready to describe everything I wanted.

As you can see, a new patrol system is done and works really fine. Also on 2rd screenshot I improved some land stuff.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Screens from new quest:

That's not the best of a game can suggest, but still I feel like this would be the most interesting quest I've ever add. Anyway, 70% of 4.4 is done and you probably see it today/tomorrow.

 

[ToldYouSo]

For everyone involved in project's development I suggest to visit this topic The HellMouth < 3.8a > and check the last message. Some important words.

 

[ToldYouSo]

4.4 is almost done, I think Ill test it through multiplayer as much as I can, don't wanna upload those doomed-by-bags versions again.
Could anybody tell some YouTubers to try it? Since I uploaded first versions on hive 2 years passed, sure there's something really different to try.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Yes.
4.4 will be released tomorrow.
Orc Invasion is done,and represents itself as the most huge and challenging quest in game. The real problem is that quest constructed in a open world, so its not as big and dynamic as single player quest.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Uploaded 4.4

4.4 isnt tested because LAN games is offline today. Feel sorry for that guys, if you find any serious problems tell me, I ll fix it immediately.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Reforged broke my hearth. It really did.
Since I dedicated not for programming, but some other creation's stuff, Im feel myself free to give Hellmouth to someone who would like to develop it. Contact, if someone's interested here, or pm me on Discord (PogoMaster#9720)

 

[ToldYouSo]

It has been a long time.
I have been having a nostalgia, as I remembered the map I created back in days.
I am not planning anything serious to do with HellMouth, like making this game on a new platform. I wish I would, but nowadays Im pretty busy with things like work, relations and etc.
But still, I gave this map my soul, so I think Im gonna get to work, one last time, and update HellMouth during January (getting a vacation and spending time).

I wish anyone would catch the idea this map tried to represent, and release it as a completely new game. Feel so bad I didnt polish this game, it's baggy and pretty confusing for new players, I still consider the idea as a gem for game industry.