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Swine Flu Vaccine?

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Just wondering. Are you going to get the Vaccine? I have been asked by the school, but I said I did not want to, because from what I have heard the swine flu is a virus that changes, which means you will have to get a vaccine each year if you want to stay immune. Now my mom wants me to have it tomorrow because the local health center offers it to anyone under eighteen in a limited time period, but I am not sure if I am going to have it.

So, what are your thoughts? Gonna have it? :)
 
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In my country around 13 people died because of the swine flu. All of them had some other major health problems. Another 4000 are sick. As I understood from the media, if your own body is healthy enough, you won't contact the swine flu. They are encouraging people to take the vaccine here also. but not many take it.
 
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Hungarian politicans are making a pre-election campaign out of this shit. If you get the vaccine you'll be labelled as a communist by the democrats, if you don't get the vaccine you get labelled as a nazi by the socialists. Easy as that. I got the vaccine about a month ago btw.
 

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No. If you're healthy, you will experience the swine flu as a regular flu, ie you'll be in bed a few days. Here in Norway the virus has already evolved once, and people get the disease twice (if really unlucky), and the second time is rumoured to be worse. Anyhow, I'm healthy and I haven't got it so far (and I don't avoid crowds, take particular precautions or anything of such sort, I live like I normally would), why fret and take a vaccine now? Besides, you get a flu from just taking the vaccine too.
 
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Nope, might have already had it as a minor form. Besides, I'm feeling that my chances of surviving the flu (if I didn't have it already) are pretty good, considering how there are 7000 swine flu cases in finland and 17 deaths. I'm also really healthy.
 
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The media over-exagerates the problem. A kid died a few hours from were I live, and the media went apeshit becuase of it. They pick stupid, stupid cases and fuck up all kinds of things. This kid was the last straw for me. I can't show respect at my hockey games, since my glove acts as some sort of "magjicalz beerier".

I got yelled and screamed at for not getting it, some people went as far as calling me a terrorist. Like the flu is any worse.
 
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People say that swine flu is a virus, and in my science class a year back they hammered it into our heads that there was no way to make a vaccine for a virus. Maybe I'm just missing something, but this doesn't seem right.
 
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If you really are scared of it (which any semi-healthy human being shouldn't be) then instead of getting a vaccine, strengthen your immune system by eating certain foods or taking pills. That's a far more effective way to fight off EVERYTHING! Also note it works against EVERYTHING!
 

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If you really are scared of it (which any semi-healthy human being shouldn't be) then instead of getting a vaccine, strengthen your immune system by eating certain foods or taking pills. That's a far more effective way to fight off EVERYTHING! Also note it works against EVERYTHING!
It also happens to be effin expensive, though.
 

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there was a thread on facepunch (a long time ago) which was talking about the current swine flu vaccine being more deadly than the actual swine flu
forgot what exactly the problem was, but if i remember right, that one had some major side effects in the future

Not unlike most vaccines in general.
 
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People say that swine flu is a virus, and in my science class a year back they hammered it into our heads that there was no way to make a vaccine for a virus. Maybe I'm just missing something, but this doesn't seem right.
Erm, no way to make a long-lasting cure, since the virus will evolve.

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There is a lot of disinformation out there and a lot of it seems to have seeped into this thread. Rumours, people!

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I would get it if I knew of any convenient way, but at the moment I don't and thus I probably won't.
 
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I took the swine flue vaccine, what did I get? I was not even home for one day, even though I felt alittle more tired than usual, and probably had some fever for a day or two... The vaccine will only struck those worse which is belonging to a 'risk group' or overall haves a medical condition, or overall, a weaker immune system.

The virus does indeed evolve, at one point at another, but unlike HIV, they were able to make a vaccine against this swine flue one (compare it to the HIV virus which mutates at around the same speed you develop a vaccine for it). And yes, that question struck me too... why taking the vaccine if the virus is going to mutate? First of all, our immune system has a extremely well memory, and recognises not only one specific type of virus but also viruses 'related' to another one. By this I mean, the immune system cells stores information about the viruses they are hit by, and in this case (or most cases?) a protein which is unique for that the virus. Thus in that was the body will recognise it next time, even if it has had some mutations (under the circumstances that the protein formula doesnt changes completely).

My aunt works at the health and infenctions institute in Sweden (something like that), and yes, ofcourse they say that the swineflue is this and that and yaddayadda. In Sweden they imported alot of vaccine and everyone will get it free. It feels even more like a waste to not taking it, now when they imported that much:p Sure it was a bad decision in the beginning...
Anyway, my aunt said that, there will come a second wave which will strike much harder than the first one. So well, I just took it and survived with a hurt arm for 3 days.
 
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Aye, it mutates, and it's possible to vaccinate against it for a period of time, then you'll have to take a new vaccine and go on like that until the virus is gone - take the regular flu for instance, people with medical conditions that make them more vulnerable to flu (even makes the flu deadly for them) need to take a vaccine every year. Now, a regular person gets the flu every three years or so, skipping one or two years each time, because the virus has not mutated enough to strike you again yet. Now, imagine this process with the swine flu, only it's faster (or so it seems, I can't remember when it broke out, but it has already mutated at least once - vaccinated people have got the swine flu here, and also people who've had it already got it again.

You took a vaccine and got a fever, I've taken no vaccine and I haven't had the swine flu, which one is better? Considering it's mutated (at least in Norway) you'll have to take another vaccine if you're going to keep it up now. I prefer living like I normally would, and if I per chance would get infected, it's no big deal (I know several people who've had it). I honestly don't get why people vaccinate themselves against these diseases if they're not in danger - save the doses to those who actually need them.

It's as if people think they're going to be infected with a permanent disease and never ever get back to normal (like it was HIV, and to be honest H1N1 is getting a lot more media coverage). It's a flu everyone, yes it's angrier, but heck it's just a flu. If you die from swine flu you would most likely die from a regular flu. Besides, rumour has it that swine flu is even quicker about it's business, a few days rather than a few weeks.
 
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well no
in Serbia media over pumped this
the truth is that the vaccine for swine flu (like any other vaccine) is actually a dead virus
and also i wont take it because normal flu kills 40000 thousand people a year and swine killed only 2000
so i wont risk getting it from the vaccine if there is almost no chance to get it this way
 
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Nope, not going to take it.
Why? Because the normal flu is worse and I've never had a flu in my life except once, at least I think I had it, because I was sick for over 1 week.
And VERY few die (in percent) of the normal flu.
 

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No. If you're healthy, you will experience the swine flu as a regular flu, ie you'll be in bed a few days. [...] Here in Norway the virus has already evolved once, and people get the disease twice (if really unlucky), and the second time is rumoured to be worse. [...]
Doesn't sound too logical.
First, it's weird that those people caught the swine flu twice in such a short period (you didn't mention the time range, but I assume it were a few months? It hasn't been around for that long). Is the virus able to mutate that fast?
Also, take a look at Eccho's explanation. If what he states is true, your immune system should be better prepared next time it comes in contact with the virus.

pointless, there's barely difference with the normal flu.
The symptoms seem to be worse, but the most worrying fact about this virus is its easy transmission between people. That aside, there is, indeed, little else we can distinguish from the two. People should have always had hygiene habits – this or the other more contagious disease shouldn't have to remind anyone of that.

People say that swine flu is a virus, and in my science class a year back they hammered it into our heads that there was no way to make a vaccine for a virus. Maybe I'm just missing something, but this doesn't seem right.
I don't think it's impossible, but viruses are indeed harder to beat than bacterias. The regular flu is an excellent example – it's been around forever and there is no permanent vaccine for it, as far as I know; else the government would most likely have you take it obligatorily, considering how common it is.
Once more I refer to Eccho's post which, if indeed true, explains why there is no permanent vaccine for any flu.

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If you really are scared of it (which any semi-healthy human being shouldn't be) then instead of getting a vaccine, strengthen your immune system by eating certain foods or taking pills. That's a far more effective way to fight off EVERYTHING! Also note it works against EVERYTHING!
Pills? You shouldn't be taking pills for any disease unless you have it. It only makes them less effective when you contract the disease.
Being healthy is certainly a good start, yes.

I read people that do sports often and are just being healthy don't risk getting it.
Well, this is logical. Who is better off? A person with one disease or a person with two? Healthy people risk getting less everything.

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The virus does indeed evolve, at one point at another, but unlike HIV, they were able to make a vaccine against this swine flue one (compare it to the HIV virus which mutates at around the same speed you develop a vaccine for it). And yes, that question struck me too... why taking the vaccine if the virus is going to mutate? First of all, our immune system has a extremely well memory, and recognises not only one specific type of virus but also viruses 'related' to another one. By this I mean, the immune system cells stores information about the viruses they are hit by, and in this case (or most cases?) a protein which is unique for that the virus. Thus in that was the body will recognise it next time, even if it has had some mutations (under the circumstances that the protein formula changes completely).
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I didn't know this. Pretty interesting! Did your aunt tell you this or do you study these things at school? Or did you read it somewhere else?

In answer to the question; no, I will most unlikely take the vaccine for the swine flu.
I know someone who had almost never contracted the regular flu in her entire life and, after taking a vaccine, began contracting it a lot more often when the vaccine was supposed to have prevented it in the first place. This situation lowered my trust on the vaccine for the flu (and we're talking about swine flu here, so I assume you see the point).
Plus, people die of the regular flu. The swine flu just gets more media cover because it is so contagious, for what I can tell.

On an unrelated note, it's weird that you're still calling it «swine flu». In my country, Portugal, we call it the A-flu now, as well as H1N1 virus. The «swine flu» term induced people in error about the disease. Inclusively, I heard (rumour warning) some silly farmer killed all his pigs once he heard about it. If I didn't know better, I would say no one can be this stupid.
 
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You took a vaccine and got a fever, I've taken no vaccine and I haven't had the swine flu, which one is better? Considering it's mutated (at least in Norway) you'll have to take another vaccine if you're going to keep it up now. I prefer living like I normally would, and if I per chance would get infected, it's no big deal (I know several people who've had it). I honestly don't get why people vaccinate themselves against these diseases if they're not in danger - save the doses to those who actually need them.
I had a fever for 2-3 days which wasn't even a strong one, so it basically means nothing. The only thing fever indicates is that the body is taking care of things which shouldnt be there. Considering it is mutated? what? When did it mutate? If you like in Norway, and I live in Sweden, osshi... However, just because it has mutated doesn't really mean I have to take a second dose of the vaccine. See, we don't know if the virus mutated completely or if it just mutated partly - in the latter case, not quite serious since the immune defense cells can recognise it.

And meh, Im not arguing against you, I am in a twisted concern anyway, and doesn't really care if I took it or not. I was just stating facts.

Edit: And yeah Rui, when I had my classes in Biology a year ago, I was taught and read it:p

Edit2: And yeah that is explaining why we aren't getting more ill by regular flues than we are. We already hit them several times before, and alot of it's structure remain the same to the body to recognise.
 

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Doesn't sound too logical.
First, it's weird that those people caught the swine flu twice in such a short period (you didn't mention the time range, but I assume it were a few months? It hasn't been around for that long). Is the virus able to mutate that fast?
Also, take a look at Eccho's explanation. If what he states is true, your immune system should be better prepared next time it comes in contact with the virus.

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I don't think it's impossible, but viruses are indeed harder to beat than bacterias. The regular flu is an excellent example – it's been around forever and there is no permanent vaccine for it, as far as I know; else the government would most likely have you take it obligatorily, considering how common it is.

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Pills? You shouldn't be taking pills for any disease unless you have it. It only makes them less effective when you contract the disease.
Being healthy is certainly a good start, yes.

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On an unrelated note, it's weird that you're still calling it «swine flu». In my country, Portugal, we call it the A-flu now, as well as H1N1 virus. The «swine flu» term induced people in error about the disease. Inclusively, I heard (rumour warning) some silly farmer killed all his pigs once he heard about it. If I didn't know better, I would say no one can be this stupid.

I don't know the specific time frame, I only know these people got the swine flu twice, and it was noticed nearly at random some time ago. The second attack was worse, because they got pneumonia shortly after they started to feel better. Additionally, reports of actual swine being infected have come in as well, the virus is spreading from humans to swine.
I haven't done any research on it, it's all from the news (though a rather reliable source, not some bogus newspaper, but the national news). There's probably a lot of it on the web for people to dig into, personally, I don't care.
Yeah, sure, maybe it's better prepared, but these people were struck nevertheless, and if I am not entirely mistaken, two people died of it (which was how they noticed).

Why would a flu vaccine be obligatory because a disease is common? The flu is nothing, it's nature's own tool to balance out our numbers - survival of the fittest. Seriously, only people who risk to die should even consider taking a vaccine.

I believe he was referring to vitamins, not pills.

Stupid to kill all his pigs, indeed, but the way H1N1 was presented, it would indeed seem like a good idea to stay away from pigs, and a farmer can't exactly just ignore his pigs, that'd just be evil.

I had a fever for 2-3 days which wasn't even a strong one, so it basically means nothing. The only thing fever indicates is that the body is taking care of things which shouldnt be there. Considering it is mutated? what? When did it mutate? If you like in Norway, and I live in Sweden, osshi... However, just because it has mutated doesn't really mean I have to take a second dose of the vaccine. See, we don't know if the virus mutated completely or if it just mutated partly - in the latter case, not quite serious since the immune defense cells can recognise it.
If you read all my post, you would realize that it obviously has mutated enough to strike people twice, and that clearly indicates the first vaccine won't be enough.

As for fever, I don't know how strong exactly "a strong one" is, but if you call it a fever I assume you were in bed.
 
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80% of Swin Flu victims where old people, or people with bad health. So, just relax dudes. Stop over pumping this.

Actually, the victims of the swine flue is those who are in the risk groups and the youth people.

If you read all my post, you would realize that it obviously has mutated enough to strike people twice, and that clearly indicates the first vaccine won't be enough.

As for fever, I don't know how strong exactly "a strong one" is, but if you call it a fever I assume you were in bed.

Just because something strike you twice doesn't mean that the body wont have what it takes to handle it. See I hope you know what a vaccine really is?? It is damaged or manipulated segments of the virus, so that the immune system easily can tear it down. Vaccines doesn't prevent a virus from getting into your body again - rather just to keep you prepared the next time, and prevent the virus to merely take as much damage as it should. See a vaccine as a pre-dose of the virus just with a milder effect dammit.

Whatever I call fever is above 38 degrees. With a mild fever I mean that it was kept in around that temperature (+-0.5 degrees approx), so no, why would I be in bed... Temperature and fever ofcourse differs between persons.
 
My parents forced me to get it, planned on when I would get it without telling me then started trying to make me guilty because I wasn't completely and utterly happy and thankful when it happened. Apparently they watched some special on 60 minutes or something that talked about how some football player (yeah, apparently if you play football your healthy......) caught it after he played a perfect game and is now in an induced comma. Pretty much my whole school got the flu, and there were confirmed cases of the swine flu (luckily no one died) and I was exposed to people hacking and coughing for roughly 2 weeks without once getting sick the entire time - yeah with the whole "the virus changing thing" I'm pretty sure I was already immune to it this time around............
 

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Actually, the victims of the swine flue is those who are in the risk groups and the youth people.



Just because something strike you twice doesn't mean that the body wont have what it takes to handle it. See I hope you know what a vaccine really is?? It is damaged or manipulated segments of the virus, so that the immune system easily can tear it down. Vaccines doesn't prevent a virus from getting into your body again - rather just to keep you prepared the next time, and prevent the virus to merely take as much damage as it should. See a vaccine as a pre-dose of the virus just with a milder effect dammit.

Whatever I call fever is above 38 degrees. With a mild fever I mean that it was kept in around that temperature (+-0.5 degrees approx), so no, why would I be in bed... Temperature and fever ofcourse differs between persons.

Aight, let me clarify, they got seriously ill the second time. As I mentioned, the second time was worse, I don't know if the virus has become significantly worse, and that the immune system made it so that it was just worse, and not significantly worse. I just know that having the disease works the same way as having a vaccine, in fact, it is better. If your body has already fought off the virus once before, in its actual state (not weakened like a vaccine), then it is better prepared to fight it again (which is also why people who do NOT take the regular flu-vaccine gets the disease roughly every three years, why if you are on vaccine, you will need a vaccine very year). I know very well what a vaccine is, that is also why I never take a vaccine, ever.

You will need another vaccine (from the new virus) if you're going to be prepared for it, because the way I see it, the virus doesn't evolve so much that even with preparation, your body can't handle it at all (and people die even when they've already had a vaccine or had H1N1 before).

I don't call it a fever if you're not in bed, you're not ill if you're not in bed. I know what a fever is, or why it is, rather, and I let it do the work instead of having a long-term fever, just 'cause you're not getting the rest needed to let the body work.
 
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Aight, let me clarify, they got seriously ill the second time. As I mentioned, the second time was worse, I don't know if the virus has become significantly worse, and that the immune system made it so that it was just worse, and not significantly worse. I just know that having the disease works the same way as having a vaccine, in fact, it is better. If your body has already fought off the virus once before, in its actual state (not weakened like a vaccine), then it is better prepared to fight it again (which is also why people who do NOT take the regular flu-vaccine gets the disease roughly every three years, why if you are on vaccine, you will need a vaccine very year). I know very well what a vaccine is, that is also why I never take a vaccine, ever.

You will need another vaccine (from the new virus) if you're going to be prepared for it, because the way I see it, the virus doesn't evolve so much that even with preparation, your body can't handle it at all (and people die even when they've already had a vaccine or had H1N1 before).

I don't call it a fever if you're not in bed, you're not ill if you're not in bed. I know what a fever is, or why it is, rather, and I let it do the work instead of having a long-term fever, just 'cause you're not getting the rest needed to let the body work.

For your record, a normal flu happend to not be as 'heavy' as this one is, if that is true. There are no vaccines towards normal flues. Why? because you simply don't need them. I am not saying the media is right, in fact, Im not saying anyone is right, but why make a such hazzle about it, if it weren't something?? Maybe they just felt that they wanted to give precautious help towards it, if it were to be more damaging.

"If your body has already fought off the virus once before, in its actual state (not weakened like a vaccine), then it is better prepared to fight it again"
I really wonder, what makes you think that? Did you read it somewhere? A virus vs a damaged virus is obviously containing the valid equalent information for your immune system to make it efficient, why would the otherwise make a vaccine? You seem to miss the point of get vaccinated at all. What they do want to prevent, is to let you lie in the bed for 2 weeks rather than 3 days for a flue... and to let you be more prepared. Your immune system might do the same job without the vaccine, but the vaccine lets the job be done faster.

The thing about you saying "I don't call it a fever if you're not in bed, you're not ill if you're not in bed." Is solely a weird statement, since the sentence is logically built up wrong, and doesn't even is right. Well for you it is, since it is your opinion.
 

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For your record, a normal flu happend to not be as 'heavy' as this one is, if that is true. There are no vaccines towards normal flues. Why? because you simply don't need them. I am not saying the media is right, in fact, Im not saying anyone is right, but why make a such hazzle about it, if it weren't something?? Maybe they just felt that they wanted to give precautious help towards it, if it were to be more damaging.

"If your body has already fought off the virus once before, in its actual state (not weakened like a vaccine), then it is better prepared to fight it again"
I really wonder, what makes you think that? Did you read it somewhere? A virus vs a damaged virus is obviously containing the valid equalent information for your immune system to make it efficient, why would the otherwise make a vaccine? You seem to miss the point of get vaccinated at all. What they do want to prevent, is to let you lie in the bed for 2 weeks rather than 3 days for a flue... and to let you be more prepared. Your immune system might do the same job without the vaccine, but the vaccine lets the job be done faster.

The thing about you saying "I don't call it a fever if you're not in bed, you're not ill if you're not in bed." Is solely a weird statement, since the sentence is logically built up wrong, and doesn't even is right. Well for you it is, since it is your opinion.

There's definitely a vaccine for the regular, every year flu. There's a bunch of people that take the vaccine before the wave in order to stay free of it, and people that could (or would) die from it, are vaccinated.

If vaccines are as strong as the actual virus, then why do you have to take the same vaccine time after time, while if you get the disease once, you'll never get it again (in certain cases)? Why is it that having the flu keeps you "immune" to the flu for an average of 3 years, while if you take a vaccine you're only immune for one year?

Bold: let me rephrase it logically;
Condition A: A fever is an elevated body-temperature.
Condition B: The body temperature is elevated because of an infection (primarily at least).
Conclusion A: A fever is caused by an infection.
Condition C: An infection is a disease.
Condition D: A disease is an illness.
Definition A: The state of being ill comes from having an illness.
Condition E: A person that is ill, stays in bed.
Conclusion B: A person with a fever, stays in bed.
 
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All right, swine flu is virus? And? Ordinary stupid flu is virus as well, and? Nobody panics about some stupid flu (which kills much more people than this "cold")


I was never vaccined and I never had a flu, i got some cool antivirus
 

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All right, swine flu is virus? And? Ordinary stupid flu is virus as well, and? Nobody panics about some stupid flu (which kills much more people than this "cold")


I was never vaccined and I never had a flu, i got some cool antivirus

May you be a hermit? Or perhaps that's Norton you got guarding your body? ;)
You'll have a flu eventually, and you'll find it's not so bad.
 
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>There's definitely a vaccine for the regular, every year flu. There's a bunch of people that take the vaccine before the wave in order to stay free of it, and people that could (or would) die from it, are vaccinated.

Never heard of it, never heard anyone here taking it. So I wouldn't know then

>If vaccines are as strong as the actual virus, then why do you have to take the same vaccine time after time, while if you get the disease once, you'll never get it again (in certain cases)? Why is it that having the flu keeps you "immune" to the flu for an average of 3 years, while if you take a vaccine you're only immune for one year?

Because you aren't taking the same vaccine over and over again. While you get diseased once, you most likely will get it again anyway, it's just that your body takes care of it before you even notice it. Having the flu doesn't keep you immune to a next period of flues. What you experience is rather: A) Your body recognizes it, thus takes care of it, or B), the flu is of a different type of virus or a similar one but had time to mutate. Vaccines doesn't keep you immune in only one year. That depends on what it is used for. For a flu, it might last for 1 year, who knows, but as you dont really know is if you are hit by a similar virus or not. The immune system is saving the equal information either if you would be hit by the virus, or by the vaccine. There's alot of vaccines you don't never ever have to be vaccinated for again... what are your statements of one year vs twenty?


Condition E: A person that is ill, stays in bed.
They always are now, aren't they... I'm going to Moe's...
 

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>There's definitely a vaccine for the regular, every year flu. There's a bunch of people that take the vaccine before the wave in order to stay free of it, and people that could (or would) die from it, are vaccinated.

Never heard of it, never heard anyone here taking it. So I wouldn't know then

>If vaccines are as strong as the actual virus, then why do you have to take the same vaccine time after time, while if you get the disease once, you'll never get it again (in certain cases)? Why is it that having the flu keeps you "immune" to the flu for an average of 3 years, while if you take a vaccine you're only immune for one year?

Because you aren't taking the same vaccine over and over again. While you get diseased once, you most likely will get it again anyway, it's just that your body takes care of it before you even notice it. Having the flu doesn't keep you immune to a next period of flues. What you experience is rather: A) Your body recognizes it, thus takes care of it, or B), the flu is of a different type of virus or a similar one but had time to mutate. Vaccines doesn't keep you immune in only one year. That depends on what it is used for. For a flu, it might last for 1 year, who knows, but as you dont really know is if you are hit by a similar virus or not. The immune system is saving the equal information either if you would be hit by the virus, or by the vaccine. There's alot of vaccines you don't never ever have to be vaccinated for again... what are your statements of one year vs twenty?


Condition E: A person that is ill, stays in bed.
They always are now, aren't they... I'm going to Moe's...

Flue-vaccine: ATC-Code J07B B02 and SYSVAK-code (might be a Norwegian index) FLU02.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine

Chicken pox, usually when you've had it, you're immune for the rest of your life (few exceptions). The vaccine, however, does not have a lifelong effect. (Yes, it's a different kind of vaccine, but I'm just throwing it out there)
Wikipedia said:
A varicella vaccine was first developed by Michiaki Takahashi in 1974 derived from the Oka strain. It has been available in the U.S. since 1995 to inoculate against the disease. Some countries require the varicella vaccination or an exemption before entering elementary school. Protection is not lifelong and further vaccination is necessary five years after the initial immunization.

If you don't need to be in bed when you're "ill", then you haven't experienced being ill. A cold or anything like that is a mere setback compared to influenza for instance.
 

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No, you stay in bed because you simply cannot do anything else; you don't want to eat, you've got a headache, your muscles hurt, you're exhausted. If you're in shape to not be in bed, and go to work, then you are not ill any more.
 

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[...] The regular flu is an excellent example – it's been around forever and there is no permanent vaccine for it, as far as I know; else the government would most likely have you take it obligatorily, considering how common it is.
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Why would a flu vaccine be obligatory because a disease is common? [...]
My mistake: I forgot about the danger factor.

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[...] Some countries require the varicella vaccination or an exemption before entering elementary school. [...]
This is the case for several diseases here in Portugal: they ask for your vaccines card at school no matter what grade you are in.

If you don't need to be in bed when you're "ill", then you haven't experienced being ill. A cold or anything like that is a mere setback compared to influenza for instance.
Not true, unless "need" means "you have an excuse to for laziness reasons".
I agree. It's a moral weight (though people don't even think about this) to be in contact with other people while you're having the flu, but it doesn't mean they don't do it.
Besides, you have to look at the temperature factor. In Norway, air is much colder than it is on southern countries. Norwegians probably choose to stay home more than the people of southern countries instead of having extra fluid run through their nose the entire day. Even a regular cold can make you lose time when doing tests and exams; I've experienced it.
 
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there was a thread on facepunch (a long time ago) which was talking about the current swine flu vaccine being more deadly than the actual swine flu
forgot what exactly the problem was, but if i remember right, that one had some major side effects in the future

on a related note, i saw or heard the same thing somewhere, only it had something to do with a zombie apocalypse.

******s these days.
 
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