Sunken City v2.5.1b

[Moderator]

Moderator: -Kobas-
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Date: 24-Dec-13 (14:27:40)​

Personal Comment:​

One of the most polished maps, of its type, that I had a chance to play.
Beautiful terrain, nice story, well customized heroes and enemies.
Over 100 different traps, puzzles and such like obstacles all over map.

After 2 years of constant improvements and never ending updates,
time has come for this special honor. Enjoy.

Map Status: Approved
(6/5) ★ Director's Cut ★​

 

[_DemigoD_]

Is this made from you ? Because the author is with different name.

 

[SpasMaster]

You mean the Description of the map itself or the description here on hiveworkshop?

 

[SpasMaster]

Improve description, use these BB Codes to make the description look more attractive.

Thanks man. Used some of them.

 

[SpasMaster]

Still no comments about the map itself. Thanks for the hints though Light bolt. =)

 

[SpasMaster]

Version Progress, Updates & Planned Features

Version 2.4.8 has started development Tanking / Taunting changes (2.4.8) Hunter implementation (2.4.8) Item changes (2.4.8) Arena Mode (2.5.0 or later)

 

[SpasMaster]

Me and Cweener worked hard (mostly him tbh) and made v.1.1. so check it out ^^

 

[Cweener]

"These changes were going to be impossible without the help of Cweener.
If you like the changes made from v.1.0. to this one add reputation to him too."

Loved how you put that in the change log Thanks mate

 

[Fussiler1]

Perhaps you could add some screenshots? ^^

 

[Cweener]

screenies will be coming soon.

Version 1.4 Brought A LOT to this map that it was lacking, just look at the changelog.

I'm writing up a new description for the map as we speak, so it should be up soon.

 

[ACdestinydream]

my score system

your map would be given points as in the following criterias. The number at the side are the total score you can get from that aspect.

Description [10]
Creativity [15]
Triggering [15]
Playability [5]
Object Managing [10]
Terrain [15]

Overall [70]

description of the scoring system

Description [10]
This aspect determines how much work you have put into your map's description.

1~3 You did not put enough work into it.
4~7 It looks good, but it lacks screenshots etc.
8~10 It is just that perfect! Keep it up!

Creativity [15]
This aspect determines how much creatvity you have put into your map.

1~5 This map is obviously copied.
6~10 This map lacks some creativity.
11~15 You have thought of many ideas and it is quite creative with many different things which others do not have. Good job!

Triggering [15]
This aspect determines how much triggering work you have put into your map.

1~5 This map is full of leaks and it have many bad triggers.
6~10 This map have quite alot of leaks yet it is still playable.
11~15 This map have little leaks and uses good triggers.

Playability [5]
This aspect determines whether your map is fun to play or not.

1~2 Boring game with little/no help given.
3~4 Quite a fun game yet the playability is not there yet.
5 This map is fun and enjoyable.

Object Managing [10]
This aspect determines how well you have put in custom models/icons to fit your map.

1~3 Wrong usage of custom models/icons and bad tooltips/missing tooltips.
4~7 Custom models were used correctly but there are still some bad tooltips.
8~10 Little/no mistake in tooltips or icons.

Terrain [15]
This aspect determines how well did you terrain your map.

1~5 Bland terrain/doodad spammage/bad looking places/wrong usage of tiles
6~10 Some of the doodads were used correctly and some of the terrains were bad looking.
11~15 Great usage of doodads with good placement of different buildings etc.



Overall:
1~10 1/5 map rating with a Reject. [No rep]
11~20 2/5 map rating with a Reject. [No rep]
21~30 2/5 map rating with an Approve. [No rep]
31~40 3/5 map rating with an Approve. [No rep]
41~50 3/5 map rating with an Approve. [+rep]
51~60 4/5 map rating with an Approve. [+rep]
61~70 5/5 map rating with an Approve. [+rep]

My reivew of Sunken City v1.4.

Description [6/10]

It describes nothing about the gameplay itself with no screenshots.

Creativity [10/15]

Its another hack&slash with mindless killings.

Triggering [7/15]

Little/no triggers are needed in these kinds of maps and the spells are all wc3.

Playability [1/5]

It gets so boring after completing half the game that i quit.

Object managing [8/10]

I see some models that replace the original models.

Terrain [8/15]

Terrain isnt really important but it is still lacking,

personal comment:
i feel that you should increase the playability because it gets really, really boring. Add events.


Overall = 6 + 10 + 7 + 1 + 8 + 8 = 40/70 (3/5 rating with approve and rep)

Final rating: 40/70 (3/5 map rating + approve + rep)

Reviewed by ACdestinydream. Please contact me if you disagree with my review or you want me to review your map again.

Cweener asked me to review it. hope i am not too harsh :/


EDIT: 7/15 because theres hardly any triggers.

EDIT2: tooltips problem settled, +2 score and + rep

 

[Cweener]

my only question with that review is the line,

tooltips are a problem

how are they a problem?

 

[ACdestinydream]

did u ever read them? 'recover more dmg every level' or something like that in shaman. theres some errors in thief too

 

[Cweener]

I wrote them, do you have the version that we released like yesterday or two days ago, with colored tooltips?

 

[ACdestinydream]

i dont think so... was it those with yellow tooltips?

 

[Cweener]

It is yellow and red. All tooltips give all necessary information and highlight the important stuff in red. I don't see any problem with your review except there. I wrote each one, and know that each Ability tooltip is accurate and gives needed info.

 

[ACdestinydream]

oh so that version was the uncorrected version.

 

[SpasMaster]

Soon to come in v.1.5. - 3 new heroes, new islands, new items, new description (maybe) and other cool stuff =).

 

[Souless]

Cool map loved it 5/5!!!

 

[togera90]

The maps itself is great but..

I really didnt like soloing it i died about 1/3 of the kills i had to 1/4 so the map is very great in environment and texture i love that but possibly adding a shop or two of buyable things and instead of making this just a hero vs random nagas and sea things turn it into an rpg or some kinda quested thing

5/5 for map itself
2/5 for the ability to solo it, maybe its just me and i suck but it was hard

 

[togera90]

I have an idea you could make different types of maps ya know? Like this is sunken city
now make deserted dessert or something ya know? thtd be a tight series try to add shops please and possibly if u have 2 items you can combine them into 1 strong item like dota (i hate dota btw) but thts a neat idea

 

[SpasMaster]

Thanks for commenting togera90. I really disagree with the things you said.

1.The map recommends 3 players, and it's really hard with 2 players. 1 player is hardly passable and boring.
2.There ARE shops. I don't know how long you played, or how far you reached, but there are like 10 shops till the end of the map. Also the map contains many item drops.

Anyways, the idea about combining items is great and I'll look into it. Today I released v.1.5. You proubably played v.1.4. which is pretty old

P.S.: Do not double post, it's against the rules. Use EDIT button instead

 

[Cweener]

actually 1 player in 1.5 is now impossible. (period) There is no way, because there is a bridge in the beginning that now requires two people to step on levers at the same time.

EDIT; okay, there is ONE way. but, I'm not gunna say it, because it involves exploiting my lazy triggering xD

 

[Lazers]

Looks strangely like a map I played back in the day called Treasure Cave...

Regardless, I'm going to try it


EDIT: nevermind it merely looks similar

 

[SpasMaster]

I also played Treasue Cave recently . But the only similar thing is the terrain

 

[Lazers]

You seriously need to remove the blink ability from the rogue. It allows him to go anywhere unhindered. And before you say that the content that he can blink to is too challenging, he can easily blink into a secluded room and hog tomes and items. That pretty much killed the game for me and my friends when we tried this. Nevertheless, it's a good map, albeit the puzzles are a bit unchallenging.

4/5


EDIT: yeah the terrain is really similar, I just thought it might be a ripoff lol

 

[SpasMaster]

Well, I was thinking pretty much about the rogue, pretty long time and recently I decided to remove it. I am sorry that it caused problems, but I was hoping that people will use it properly, not to bug the map. Anyways. It will be gone really soon.

EDIT: And, also: The map is warchasers-styled, not puzzle based. The puzzles shouldn't be the main concept of the game like in Treasure Cave, but an addition. So I decided to have puzzles but not really hard ones.

EDIT 2: My map was started long before Treasure Cave. I saw it like 4 days ago, I didn't try to copy the terrain.

 

[Lazers]

Well, I was thinking pretty much about the rogue, pretty long time and recently I decided to remove it. I am sorry that it caused problems, but I was hoping that people will use it properly, not to bug the map. Anyways. It will be gone really soon.

EDIT: And, also: The map is warchasers-styled, not puzzle based. The puzzles shouldn't be the main concept of the game like in Treasure Cave, but an addition. So I decided to have puzzles but not really hard ones.

EDIT 2: My map was started long before Treasure Cave. I saw it like 4 days ago, I didn't try to copy the terrain.

Ah, okay, it's all good then. I'll play the new version when you release it and put a review up.

 

[SpasMaster]

Done!

So here it is. The map is done and Shadowstep is removed. Please, tell me your opinion by adding some comments

 

[light bolt30]

For me screenshots don't work, anyone else experiencing this problem?

 

[SpasMaster]

They actually, really dissapeared. The problem is there that I might actually deleted them (accidently). Anyways they were pretty outdated so, I will post new ones. Really thanks for noting that one Light Bolt. I was pretty sure they are fine.

 

[oldmilk]

Shamans can't cast bloodlust on allies?

 

[SpasMaster]

Yeah, Bloodlust is pretty changed from the one in Melee games, and aslong as the Warrior has "Rage" which increases attack speed, he doesn't need it. Paladin has far too big damage to get increased speed, and the agility heroes....are Agility heroes Their attack speed is pretty fast.

 

[Kiamati]

Hi, good map, here are a couple of things you might want to check out:

1- The door on the left of the map, the one close to the "small beach" with a 10th level deeplord dropping + 5 ring, can actually be destroyed, making the platforms pretty useless.

2- When using a shared character of a player who left, you can't use boats or zeppelins. The only way you have to finish the map is buying a teleport rod and keep teleporting where your main character goes.

These are the bugs I found, but I think there are two things that might be improved:

1 - PLATFORMS. man, it's really annoying getting stuck on a level with no way out except getting killed. You may use teleporters instead or fix the triggers for the platforms, so they won't move unless a character moves and STAYS on them.

2 - SPACE. Seriously, a bit more room would be GREATLY appreciated, I lost count of the number of times I had to tell people to move.

This said, you did a good job, 4/5!

 

[SpasMaster]

Hi, good map, here are a couple of things you might want to check out:

1- The door on the left of the map, the one close to the "small beach" with a 10th level deeplord dropping + 5 ring, can actually be destroyed, making the platforms pretty useless.

2- When using a shared character of a player who left, you can't use boats or zeppelins. The only way you have to finish the map is buying a teleport rod and keep teleporting where your main character goes.

These are the bugs I found, but I think there are two things that might be improved:

1 - PLATFORMS. man, it's really annoying getting stuck on a level with no way out except getting killed. You may use teleporters instead or fix the triggers for the platforms, so they won't move unless a character moves and STAYS on them.

2 - SPACE. Seriously, a bit more room would be GREATLY appreciated, I lost count of the number of times I had to tell people to move.

This said, you did a good job, 4/5!

Thanks for your comment mate!

So:
1.The door you are talking about had to be destroyed by the players in earlier vesions and there were no platforms, but I decided that having them, would make it more interesting.
2.Zeppelins are not used for my map, don't know how you bought them after they cost wood. And, I think that there is no way to make share units go in your boat even with trigger. If the player had to leave, save the map and continue later

Bugs:
1.Yeah, I had pretty much reports about platforms and I tryed to fix it, but triggering is not my power. I am sorry for them and I will keep trying to make a lever for them or something like that. And by the way if you get stuck it's not necessary to die. The platforms work like that: "A unit enters the platform -> increase/decrease level". So until I find a way to fix it, ask your friends to step on it and it will rise up
2.About the space: There really are narrow areas, but they usually (80% of the times) Don't include battle. Narrow places are there for items/levers. I will look into it though.

Again thanks for the comment!

 

[Kiamati]

2.Zeppelins are not used for my map, don't know how you bought them after they cost wood. And, I think that there is no way to make share units go in your boat even with trigger. If the player had to leave, save the map and continue later

I travelled around like crazy with your zeppelins mate. I think, though I am not sure, it might be because of the wood you get selling certain artefacts. Speaking of money, we eneded up having 5 divine hammers among the 2 of us and literallly trashed anything that stood in our way, bosses incuded (we even gave them a chance to attack, since they were always stunned).
Maybe you could think of limiting it to one or two, just to make the map more challanging.

Keep up the good work

 

[SpasMaster]

The hammers are my newest addition. Check out this:How to make items cost food I will fix them soon dont worry about that, I know they are overpowered.

 

[SpasMaster]

v.2.1.

Version 2.1. is now released. Enjoy these awesome features

 

[MogulKahn]

Really cool map!

 

[SpasMaster]

Thanks, mate. Did you try v.2.3 or v.2.2?

 

[MogulKahn]

2.3 version
I only tried it in single player but maybe today I will try it with my friends !

 

[DeathFromAbove]

Nice game, alittle short for my taste but who am i to judge?, the game itself is a basic rpg/dungeon so those who dont get it are stupid tbh, the pathways in-game are good, alittle messy but good none the less and are easy to get around without getting stuck, what would have made this game alittle better for me would have been:
*bigger areas to explore and not so tight, it was easy to tell where to go, but it would have been better to wonder around for yourself instead of paths being made for you.
*a bigger invintory, coz i love having me my items =P (no im nt a item whore $M =P)
*more skills to choose from and as you leveled you would get less choice
*also for the map you could have had dungeons within dungeons so it would make the game last longer because you would keep going and going into dungeons (obivously there would be a limit)
*more items and recipes

All in all a great game and fun to play i give it a 7/10

 

[Cweener]

Haha. Nice poll!

Anyways, went in and fixed a few grammar errors in the map's description for ya!
It looks good!
I'll download the new version soon!

 

[Djole]

1.Make button to pass cinematic on begin like esc!

2.Make map playable for solo players - get rid of armor damage thing, make hero do 100% to all and make all heroes have hero dmg and revive time same all the time!

3.Most of recipes dont give counted stats like armor ex. item 5 armor + item 3 armor = should give 8 armor not less i saw that in lot of you recipe items!

4.Stucked after geting shadow key on the way to boat it tped me in some room one time and after that once more and hero get stucked on begin of room!

Btw: Like map and concept of adventure!

Finished map it was good fun and good for spending time its preatty easy to finish it solo only begin is hard just take roug and buy item with lifesteal and thats it!

 

[SpasMaster]

1.Make button to pass cinematic on begin like esc!

2.Make map playable for solo players - get rid of armor damage thing, make hero do 100% to all and make all heroes have hero dmg and revive time same all the time!

3.Most of recipes dont give counted stats like armor ex. item 5 armor + item 3 armor = should give 8 armor not less i saw that in lot of you recipe items!

Btw: Like map and concept of adventure!

Thanks for your comment.
1.The thing with the cinematic is that I wanted players to know how they got in this place. Not just skip a part of the story.

But when you play the map 2 or 3 times it really gets annoying, yes.
I'll look into it.

2.Since I started the map, I wanted it to be everything but soloable. Teamplay is aways enjoyable and makes every map interesting. I am sorry but this is not happening

3.Even with the items you get atm, in the last 15-20 mins of the map your hero is overpowered. Rarely you can see someone dying after level 15. And this is not a bug. It's intended. But sure, I might increase some item's stats.

Haha. Nice poll!

Anyways, went in and fixed a few grammar errors in the map's description for ya!
It looks good!
I'll download the new version soon!

Btw, I looked everywhere and I can't close the poll. I saw what I wanted. People wante moar!!!
So, close the poll if you can Thanks.

P.S.: Rest in peace old changelog. You will never be forgotten. <3

 

[Vunjo]

When I see how much people love it, I realise I must add DPS meters in it, yap, I guess my map is screwed, changing plans to this map. There, much better xD

EDIT: Unprotected lol w00t? xD
So, if you didn't change anything after posting this version, can I add those stuff here?

 

[MagiC_AntO.]

I love this map/ she is unprotected a good thing for learn thanks ...

 

[Cweener]

Unprotected maps > protected maps.

 

[SpasMaster]

I love this map/ she is unprotected a good thing for learn thanks ...

Thanks for noticing mate. That's the reason it's not protected. It happened to me to play a map, see something cool, but I was not able to understand how it was made.

And by the way, I requested one system recently, which records damage and DPS. This will make the game even more competitive. But the guy who made the system doesn't want it to spread, so the map will become protected soon.