Sunken City v2.5.1c

[SpasMaster]

No issues for any other downloaded maps, for now at least

Are you a Mac user by any chance?

 

[MorgotJack]

Are you a Mac user by any chance?

Nope, Windows forever true

 

[Teutonic_Ice]

a few lag spikes but its fantastic and versatille

 

[Adrian0]

Hi, my wc3 cannot seem to find the map any ideeas?

 

[Ravager16829]

Hi, my wc3 cannot seem to find the map any ideeas?

Which game versions are you currently playing on? Sunken City only works on the latest patch of the game (the one from the Battle.net).

If you have the latest patch and the map isn't detected in the game, check the previous comments.

 

[linker591]

Fantastic game with a great developer who supports the game. Been playing it 10 years and enjoyed every minute of it.

 

[MrLdark]

This map is AS GOD INTENDED! PLAY ANDF ENJOY THE PAIN!! MUHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Shawwy]

Any leads on why i cant see my map?

 

[SpasMaster]

Any leads on why i cant see my map?

Which patch is your Warcraft 3 on?

 

[Shawwy]

latest 1.36.2

 

[SpasMaster]

latest 1.36.2

1.36.2 might not be clear enough.

I had someone recently on 1.36.2.21230 instead of 1.36.2.21498 which was the reason.

Otherwise check if the map is in the correct directory,
"Documents\Warcraft III\Maps\Download"

 

[Shawwy]

Fixed it I shouldve checked the AutoUpdate box
Thank you soo much
I just wanted to say i have been following your work since the start of this game did not have an account back then but
been playing it ever since
I love the way it turned out
A big Fann!!
Keep it up

 

[Halithor]

I've loved this game for a long time. Amazing experience to play with friends. My two buddies and I play this through probably every 6 months or so.

My only request: I want more. Sunken City II: Not So Sunken Anymore

 

[Mikesch]

Hello there!

Anybody else has a problem with loading the map? It always crashes in loading screen since last blizzard patch.

 

[SpasMaster]

Hello there!

Anybody else has a problem with loading the map? It always crashes in loading screen since last blizzard patch.

I can confirm that the map is unplayable since the latest wc3 patch. It crashes every time during loading screen.

There is a function that is being used that causes the issue.
If Blizzard does not fix it eventually, I could stop using it and update the map, but I'd prefer for Blizzard to fix their own shit.

 

[Mikesch]

I can confirm that the map is unplayable since the latest wc3 patch. It crashes every time during loading screen.

There is a function that is being used that causes the issue.
If Blizzard does not fix it eventually, I could stop using it and update the map, but I'd prefer for Blizzard to fix their own shit.

Thank you very much. Now i can stop trying things.

Yeah lets hope they fix it.

Me and my friends really enjoying the map. Its great work.

 

[Sathrenor]

First of all, massive cheers to You and the rest of the team, Spas!

This is, hands down, the best and most polished modded project I have seen in my life. It is insane how it has been 14 years now and You still manage to surprise with new and clever features (also big kudos to the resource creators as well!)
You, Sir, are a legend!

As for the latest patch (2.0.1.22490), the map is pretty much playable, but I ran into some minor issues:
1. Class spec changes and some other functions (like Glyph of Bloodthirst, Siren's Q) are unusable because of "Requires: Berserk Upgrade". It's present in both 2.4.5 and 2.5.1c, so I would assume in others as well. - Got fixed in 2.0.1.22498
2. Fat guy's model during the dialogues and demon/inferno dropping has been turned into Sea Revenant.
3. Forst Wyrm item has a small, silly typo in yellow text. :>
4. The 3rd grave in the secret area near the Troll Village occasionally spawns a skeleton which just disappears after half a second (not sure if it was intentional).
5. Also I'm not fully certain, but the latest version might be missing a secret trigger after the tomb/west wing rework. I found all the secrets in 2.4.5 runs (21/23 legit, the rest were comments and other means :>), meanwhile I cannot get that last 23rd one in new version despite many backtracking and scourging every corner of the map,

Spoiler

even with the tricks to reveal parts of the map. /wink wink/ Also I did get 3 on the west coast and I don't thing there were any new between the beginning and the treasure room, right?

Spoiler

Was the key behind the rock near Queen's Tomb supposed to have "?", considering there were 2 in that dungeon before rework?

Or am I just THAT blind and terrible at counting?

Honestly I don't expect any fixes in the nearest time, so no pressure from me :> (Especially considering it's Blizzard. I totally expect a full year of hotfix clusterduck after the "2.0"'s outbreak, which can screw even more things over time. Those guys always have to make things harder for everyone, don't they?... /sigh), but I kinda felt I had to post it to add to the list.

Whatever the outcome, You did amazing job! Keep it up! Or don't. Whatever feels best for You. :>

Also,
Merry Christmas everyone!

 

[Restia]

hello. may i know how to have the Sunken City for patch 1.31?

 

[Deleted member 255104]

If Blizzard does not fix it eventually

This is probably a long shot, but still.

Was there any reason to upgrade the map past 1.31?
I don't mean that in "argh, you shouldn't have done that!" more so, is there anything beneficial to such an upgrade. Some sort of tools that only available past that version, or maybe something else that i'm missing?
Because to be it just feels like a giant pain in the back to upgrade to the version of the game that relies on Blizzard doing their work properly.

It's even more puzzling to me to see how many maps/campaigns are now moving onto 2.0. And those aren't even utilizing "new graphics", just "classic" ones! But that's neither here nor there.

 

[Ravager16829]

hello. may i know how to have the Sunken City for patch 1.31?

You are going to need the latest patch. 1.31 is NOT the most recent one, and was the last one before the Reforged release. The current Warcraft 3 patch is 2.0.1.

Epicwar seems to have an archived file for an older version of this map, but do note that some of the features that were added on the latest version of this map were absent.

Do note that 2.0.1 is still prone to the random crashes, among the other bugs.

 

[tulee]

This is probably a long shot, but still.

Was there any reason to upgrade the map past 1.31?
I don't mean that in "argh, you shouldn't have done that!" more so, is there anything beneficial to such an upgrade. Some sort of tools that only available past that version, or maybe something else that i'm missing?
Because to be it just feels like a giant pain in the back to upgrade to the version of the game that relies on Blizzard doing their work properly.

It's even more puzzling to me to see how many maps/campaigns are now moving onto 2.0. And those aren't even utilizing "new graphics", just "classic" ones! But that's neither here nor there.

They probably "move" to 2.0+ because it is the latest patch of the game, and wc3 auto updates the game through Bnet, so people cannot choose to stay on an earlier patch unless they download external versions of Wc3 outside of Blizzard's.
2.0 =/ Reforged. Reforged is a graphics pack, and most people who choose to play on Bnet use "classic graphics" anyway, so using "classic" graphics is not a reason to stay on previous versions of Wc3.
Other reasons to update include the editor saving faster, which is a big deal for large size maps that would otherwise take forever to save, as well as more editor features. Also avoids problems where everyone is playing on different versions of Wc3 and reporting conflicting bugs that others might not be able to replicate, since no-one can decide which version of Old Wc3 to use as a unifying version (1.24/1.26/1.29/1.30/1.31).
Furthermore, for casual players of Wc3, downloading multiple un-official versions of the game is not straightforward and may cause many of them to give up before playing (might seem simple for experienced players, but for people who don't know what to do, it can be very confusing).

 

[andrewski]

Quick question, is there a known bug or reason when I save and reload many mobs are just untargetable shadows? You can still auto attack them and still use non-targetable abilities (or aoes) on them but can't click or use targeted abilities on them.

 

[SpasMaster]

Quick question, is there a known bug or reason when I save and reload many mobs are just untargetable shadows?

There is and it's on Blizzard's end. You can encounter this on any map with certain custom models/units.

 

[YozefAnder]

Hello. Skeletal key is a random drop or we can find it somewhere?

 

[SpasMaster]

Hello. Skeletal key is a random drop or we can find it somewhere?

It's a random drop.

 

[MrHoxworth]

Obtuse puzzles, instant kill puzzles, cheating of any kind instantly fails the map despite map being incredibly skeved towards multiplayer with Single player being a slog, no player scaling either so good luck playing solo on anything that isn't easy.

Also no guides at all for some reason despite the obtusnes of the puzzles or even where to go sometimes is plain stupid, why even inspect has a 5 seconds cooldown, what is even the point of the cloak that allows to talk to ghots ?

 

[SpasMaster]

cheating of any kind instantly fails the map despite map being incredibly skeved towards multiplayer

I very intentionally wanted to create a co-op experience with the map as is stated in its description. It's the way I intend it to be experienced.

no player scaling either so good luck playing solo on anything that isn't easy.

What am I supposed to make of the people that solo it on Insane Heroic then? Are they an illusion?

Also no guides at all for some reason despite the obtusnes of the puzzles or even where to go sometimes is plain stupid

That's quite a rude way to put things. You can be constructive about your feedback instead of being a dick about it.

Seeing that you made your account just to shit post and downrate the map, however, tells me that you are just an angry little person who wants to vent at someone else's work. Which is fair enough I guess, have fun.

why even inspect has a 5 seconds

Each message lasts for ~4 seconds and more often than not they are very far between with the exception of one puzzle and a couple of bookshelves.
The question is rather, why would you want it to be less than 5?

what is even the point of the cloak that allows to talk to ghots ?

It's for lore purposes and they give some hints for some of the puzzles.

Ultimately none of my answers matter really, because you don't seem like the type of person that can be reasoned with.
If you are really looking for a solo experience I'd recommend playing a campaign or an RPG that is better suited for it instead of being a dick.

If I don't like Shooter games for example, I won't go and tell them they suck.
Cause.. you know.. being a decent person and everything.

 

[MrHoxworth]

It's for lore purposes and they give some hints for some of the puzzles.

Have used that next to every ghost I've found and no usefull clues (dunno about the one requiring a naga hero sice I didn't paly as naga), the ghost in the vault near chopped tree is useless as a clue since other things arround already point to the fact that you need to regrow the tree

why would you want it to be less than 5?

Simple ass clicking it a pixel to far is gonna waste you time and it happend countless times with bookshelvs, so it adds up

Seeing that you made your account just to shit post and downrate the map, however, tells me that you are just an angry little person who wants to vent at someone else's work. Which is fair enough I guess, have fun.

Yes I made account after multiple frustrations this map caused me in 6+ hours I've played, and most of my frustrations have been from puzzles rarely having a solution that doesn't take searching every nook and crany of the map for posible item or interaction that can MAYBE progress you further

What am I supposed to make of the people that solo it on Insane Heroic then? Are they an illusion?

The classic "others have so it's possible". map is a slog, enemies use some of the most unfun abbilites in Warcraft on the constant, like entangling roots or pasive stun chance, wouldn't be as problematic if it was 1 enemy per group not multiple that chain stuns, bosses are the least threathening enemies I've faced after the 1st one but mobs can chainstun me straight to grave

I very intentionally wanted to create a co-op experience with the map as is stated in its description. It's the way I intend it to be experienced.

And I preffer if I'm not sent to the shadow realm for simply wanting to enjoy maps how I want it to, instead of making it an achivment or something like that just instant kill. Multiple ways but you chosen the worst solution, shows a lot about you

 

[SoloPlayer97]

Twice now I've gotten the same aspect token in a run, having gotten two Nozdormu in one and now two Ysera tokens. I'm wondering, is that intended? It feels pretty bad to have the token drop from a random chest, only for the guaranteed drop to be the same token, especially considering their rarity. If its not intended, is there supposed to be a way to avoid duplicates, like keeping the first token on your person? I usually drop long-term items like those in the little hub with the blue return portals.

I also have yet to find the Scepter of the King in any of my playthroughs, so I haven't been able to craft the Queen's Scepter. Any hints would be much appreciated. This map is a ton of fun and I've sunken many hours into exploring this city, but these few things continue to elude me.

 

[DimasX]

Found a bug. If you place Queen's Tiara and Queen's Scepter recipe in backpack and then pick up King's Scepter with backpack it wouldn't spawn mobs and King's Scepter quest will remain incomplete. Queen's Scepter works after this and Redemption can be completed

 

[Nikac95]

Hello @SpasMaster @Vunjo , i have a question about the Combat Text.
Is the Healing/Lifesteal or any form of healing all in one variable? or do you have to create a separate function in every spell that heals?
And if all the forms of healing are all in one variable, how can i make it so that it pops when it occurs? thank you!

 

[Rlciu]

Well i love this, i stil play it with my friends

 

[Kurtek]

Hi,

I love your game—it brings me so much fun!

I’m having trouble playing with my friends. I know that after the Reforge update, the SAVE/LOAD system was affected, but I’ve seen some people playing in co-op, so I hope there’s a solution.

I have the latest version of Reforge. The SAVE/LOAD system works for the host, but when I try to host a saved game, I’m unable to invite my friends.

Is there any way to fix this issue?

Thanks in advance!

 

[A]mun]

Very unintuitive that the moonkey has to go into the backpack. lol... (took us 15 minutes to find out, at first suspecting a bug)

 

[SpasMaster]

Very unintuitive that the moonkey has to go into the backpack. lol... (took us 15 minutes to find out, at first suspecting a bug)

That's a fair point. You aren't the first one to run into this.

I certainly do want the Moon Key to work from the Backpack, so that you won't have to constantly have to equip it every time there is a door that needs it.
The Moon Key itself states that it works from the Backpack in its tooltip. The way I see it, the issue comes from 2 sources:
1) Most people would interpret the "Backpack" as the inventory of the hero himself.
2) A new player's knowledge of how keys work in most wc3 maps works against them here.

I suppose the one good thing that comes out of this whole Moon Key issue is that it does teach you about these interactions then and there.
Once you struggle a bit to figure out why the Moon Key doesn't open the door when you first try it, you then no longer have questions about what the Backpack is, what your Inventory is and what works from where.

This has kept me from actually making a change here.
Do you have any suggestions as to how it would have been clearer for you, or how you would resolve this yourself?

 

[A]mun]

Send it to the backpack on picking up, message the triggering player it has gone there and how to access said backpack.

Or (if it is not necessary that the moonkey is an item at all):

Transform it into an moon enchantment of sorts, that just grants players access to moonkey doors.

Addendum:
What added to the confusion, was that another key was a usable item (for another door) and worked out of the inventory.
(but i also can't believe i overread its description, normally i am quite attentive in such games)

 

[nguyetle]

This is a very good RPG map, but I am an OCD person. I use Hero's Tide to dive underwater to explore the entire map without missing any mysterious dark areas on this map. I feel regretful that the map still has many unused black spaces. I would be more satisfied and hope the map maker will complete the map without missing any black spaces of course on war3 classic graphics. I am a fan of war3 classic graphics, war3 refored graphics are terrible, too bad in animation and skills. tks

 

[A]mun]

Man...
i dunno what drove you to hide the second cogwheels like that (for the two moon key).
Highly frustrating and random - yet so crucial to progress.
I'd really suggest to change it.

 

[wubalubudubdub]

The game seems fun and I completely understand that this is to be played with 2-3 ppl, but can someone recommend a hero/class and item build that can solo? I tried both Blademaster and Warlock and it just seems too hard to solo clear even on Easy difficulty. Lots of running back and forth, and alot of monsters near the end start to kill you in a matter of seconds with their stun and pull abilities. It's gotten to be very annoying

 

[Ardenaso]

The game seems fun and I completely understand that this is to be played with 2-3 ppl, but can someone recommend a hero/class and item build that can solo? I tried both Blademaster and Warlock and it just seems too hard to solo clear even on Easy difficulty. Lots of running back and forth, and alot of monsters near the end start to kill you in a matter of seconds with their stun and pull abilities. It's gotten to be very annoying

managed to solo with Tinker, Naga, Warlock, Death Knight, and Siren

 

[wubalubudubdub]

managed to solo with Tinker, Naga, Warlock, Death Knight, and Siren

I couldn't do it with Warlock - may I ask what build/stats and items you went for? I most likely built mine incorrectly.

I went for all +Pet damage and relied on summons. I had 2 purple items with loads of +Armor but still die within seconds if I get pulled or stunned.

 

[Ardenaso]

I just started with that glyph that compensates you when you get targeted with a spell, and then that item that also compensates you when you get targeted with a spell

 

[Sathrenor]

The game seems fun and I completely understand that this is to be played with 2-3 ppl, but can someone recommend a hero/class and item build that can solo? I tried both Blademaster and Warlock and it just seems too hard to solo clear even on Easy difficulty. Lots of running back and forth, and alot of monsters near the end start to kill you in a matter of seconds with their stun and pull abilities. It's gotten to be very annoying

From personal experience - I managed to do solo Nightmare Heroic as Necromancer (mostly Graveyard minion stuff) and I would say, it was rather "smooth" ride, given everything accounted. So would consider him one of the safest bets. Alongside Death Knight.
Lost only 3 lives on that run. Sure... It did take over 10 hours, but who else would do it if not an absolute masochist?

I would say at this version pretty much all classes are soloable, some may just need more help from good ol' Grunt pal. It's more of the matter of how much time You are willing to put into it. Some tips from me for doing it solo:
-Endless Treasure Chest is a must have. Even without PoG upgrade, by the time You will want to replace it, it will pay for itself by a long shot.
-Pot of Greed? It's straight up a cheese while playing alone. True, You sacrifice Early game (the hardest section for the most part), but the sheer weight of stats it can roll makes it skyrocket once You start overflowing with gold and seeds.
-Glyph of Lightforce is a must have, unless You can go full anime bs on them. And even then, better safe than sorry. The once-per-35s Divine Shield is a Godsend. Not only it protects You for 4 seconds, but also deaggro mobs from You and spreads them apart, giving You a chance to run.
-When Stun/CC ends on mob and You are Out of Sight, they won't chase You. Same goes for minions (I think? ). That pushes a lot of incentive towards Hit-And-Run skirmishes, especially since they don't have that high off-combat regen (Unless You get like 2-3 healers on cave entrance...)
-Remember You can always change Spec in glyph menu if You need to reassert the situation. Same for Glyphs and Talents.
-Burst down those damned Undead Clerics, Naga Witches, Vine Nagas, Jailors and other like then ASAP. Do not engage them with Lightforce or other defensives on CD. That saying, those Sleeping Murlocks can actually save You if You don't have minions, since mobs won't break You out of it.
-GreedIsNotGood. Remember to regen (You can use HS [E] from Backpack)

The rest I would say is mostly experience and items coherence. You will get it over time. Good luck.

 

[Jeff Gazetti]

The hottest mess I've played by far. Everything in this was just way too overdone. Good intro though.

 

[SpasMaster]

The hottest mess I've played by far. Everything in this was just way too overdone. Good intro though.

Hi.
Would you please elaborate, I'd be curious to know what you feel like is overdone?

This is a map with heavy emphasis on deep customization, so naturally things won't necessarily be straight forward.
But I'd be curious to hear what you have in mind.

 

[takakenji]

Classic map!

 

[Jeff Gazetti]

Hi.
Would you please elaborate, I'd be curious to know what you feel like is overdone?

This is a map with heavy emphasis on deep customization, so naturally things won't necessarily be straight forward.
But I'd be curious to hear what you have in mind.

Bro I got killed by the first creep that had like 2750HP.

 

[SpasMaster]

Bro I got killed by the first creep that had like 2750HP.

Technically your first fight is with one of two camps where the creeps have ~1500 and 650 HP respectively assuming you opt-in for Easy difficulty:


Either way, I suppose you meant "overtuned" and not "overdone".

In which case, I want to clarify that the map is balanced around a co-op in mind, so 2-3 players.
But it's totally soloable in Easy Standard mode.

Some heroes might have easier time than others, but once you get the ball rolling with multiple effects via glyphs/items/talents and whatnot it really becomes a walk in the park.

 

[Sathrenor]

@SpasMaster I apologize, but I'm gnawing my brain out on that one and I have to ask:
Are You confident there isn't a Secret Market missing in the latest, "trimmed" map? Like behind the rock with Chest Key for example?
I've scored 23/23 on 2.4.4 before, but on later versions I'm just stuck with 22. I've recounted and double-checked them several times, but can't find anything.

Spoiler

All I know is that pre-reworked Coast side had 2 Secrets and Queen's Tomb also 2, but the post-2.4.5 Coast has 3, while Queen's Tomb has none right now. And I haven't seen any notable changes to other parts of the map.

 

[SpasMaster]

@Sathrenor What I can tell you is that all 23 secret areas are accessible with any hero on any difficulty without any rng involved.

One of them, towards the end of the map has a very unusual way of completing it - unlike any other secret and involves using the Inspect feature.