Round Table of Arkain

[merlockqueen]

yea one of my goals was to give adeale her "best" ending but if its tragedy ethiether way i may just go kill them all demon.

 

[Championfighter25]

Call me weird, but I would prefer Lisara. At least she cares, even if we have to be used as pawn.

Her family however, I would kill them all and claim "I would rather have no family than being part of your family."

Since there is no good side and both have their massive flaws, i guess both can be considered no less evil than the other and it's up to the player to decide.
If i were Aedale though, when i see her family i'd say fuck you Cora, fuck you Orie, fuck you Volarian, fuck you mother which i don't even know the name of and after i'm done killing them, i'd turn on Lisara, then Largoth, then kill that Kasrkin commander, then his troops, then i'm going after the Arkain paladin order, since Salomar always triggered Aedale pretty hard and he was the former leader so why not kill his troops, then the people that imprisoned her in the beginning of the 2nd book, then the darkmind clan who impisoned her in the 1st book and the revenge cycle will be complete.

 

[Kasrkin]

Almost done, with the first playthrough anyways. Will probably not post anymore screenshots since everything now is too damn full o' spoilers.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I have two play throughs complete given into demonic power and one of complete rejection. I would say the one initially liked was rejection cause i thought there could be hope for her as a character and to see her grow through this demonic temptation. however after chapter 13 I see it more like a Shakespearean tragedy and that no matter what you do Aedale was doomed from the start with both sides having no real interest in her as a person. So in the end i dont have hope for her for anything but just the most despariful ending of almost any character in the games. was just curious if we would see her end here or later.

We are not done with Aedale yet.

If i were Aedale though, when i see her family i'd say fuck you Cora, fuck you Orie, fuck you Volarian, fuck you mother which i don't even know the name of and after i'm done killing them, i'd turn on Lisara, then Largoth, then kill that Kasrkin commander, then his troops, then i'm going after the Arkain paladin order, since Salomar always triggered Aedale pretty hard and he was the former leader so why not kill his troops, then the people that imprisoned her in the beginning of the 2nd book, then the darkmind clan who impisoned her in the 1st book and the revenge cycle will be complete.

You, sir, have an anger problem!

 

[vinco]

I chose Gardon.

He woud be dead twice one in Tora and one by Ebira. We may accept first time but two time same trap? Realy? No protection after first time? Maybe only reason why he is stil alive is because we love him or his last spel

 

[Championfighter25]

He woud be dead twice one in Tora and one by Ebira. We may accept first time but two time same trap? Realy? No protection after first time? Maybe only reason why he is stil alive is because we love him or his last spel

I don't exactly understand what you are trying to say.
He could have been killed in Toran by the undead, but he wasn't since they had further plans for him in their grand plan.
Ebira didn't want to kill him, she just offered a pact, which i saw as a trap and declined.
He isn't alive because we love him or because of his ultimate. He is alive because he is the main character and currently plays a very important part in the story.

 

[merlockqueen]

there a deal possible with Ebira what when how what? i completed the campaign and never saw it.

 

[Boriss]

there a deal possible with Ebira what when how what? i completed the campaign and never saw it.

It is in the Gardon part of the storyline. Intelude before chapter 13.

 

[merlockqueen]

wow i cant believe i completely missed that interlude wow

 

[Kasrkin]

Ok I'm done with that playthrough, I have forgotten what sleep feels like.

 

[Boriss]

Ok I'm done with that playthrough, I have forgotten what sleep feels like.

Its time for your annual one week hibernation

 

[vinco]

I don't exactly understand what you are trying to say.
He could have been killed in Toran by the undead, but he wasn't since they had further plans for him in their grand plan.
Ebira didn't want to kill him, she just offered a pact, which i saw as a trap and declined.
He isn't alive because we love him or because of his ultimate. He is alive because he is the main character and currently plays a very important part in the story.

But if undead want him dead he would by,if Ebira want him dead he would be. Did you see fate of Blooodclaw? If yes, why is he still alive? You know that Blen was important to. My point is that he should made some anti magic protection after Toran because if third time someone use that kind of magic it would be last time, or if someone want to kill him.

 

[Championfighter25]

But if undead want him dead he would by

Almost everyone would be dead if they wanted it. Not just Gardon. But they aren't so stupid to kill people, because they simply want it.

if Ebira want him dead he would be

Maybe.

Did you see fate of Blooodclaw? If yes, why is he still alive?

That was an april fool's joke cutscene.

You know that Blen was important to.

Yes, but for the 1st book. Now in the 2nd book Gardon is the main character.

My point is that he should made some anti magic protection after Toran because if third time someone use that kind of magic it would be last time, or if someone want to kill him.

Yes, he should. The problem is that his enemies use a lot more stronger magic than him, so that would be kind of hard. Quite unfortunate.

 

[LISBOAH]

We are not done with Aedale yet.

The Ironfist are fighting the Demons... the Demons by both fighting closer to home and to protect their lands seem stronger... the tables are slowly turning against Gardon and his comrades.

Then the sun rises from a mountain in the east and Aedale standing on top of the mountain and, with a sign, several demons and Mog'thar and leads an charge against the flanks of the demons, butchering several by the thousands.

The day belongs to the Ironfist!

 

[Championfighter25]

The Ironfist are fighting the Demons... the Demons by both fighting closer to home and to protect their lands seem stronger... the tables are slowly turning against Gardon and his comrades.

Then they launch another big invasiom, just to get their ass blasted again by the cannon and back to their border they go.

Then the sun rises from a mountain in the east and Aedale standing on top of the mountain and, with a sign, several demons and Mog'thar and leads an charge against the flanks of the demons, butchering several by the thousands.

The day belongs to the Ironfist!

I'm sorry. Your ending is a lot more epic!

 

[vinco]

Yes, he should. The problem is that his enemies use a lot more stronger magic than him, so that would be kind of hard. Quite unfortunate.

Maybe he could ask Brian for somethink

Yes, but for the 1st book. Now in the 2nd book Gardon is the main character.

So it does not matters if someone is importan or not

 

[Championfighter25]

So it does not matters if someone is importan or not

It does matter, each character has his part in the story. But each character also has his rise, fall and time in the spotlight. Blen could not remain the main character forever. And I'm sure after the 2nd book Gardon's role will also be reduced. Overexposure is a bad thing and I'm sure making someone appear in every chapter, leading us to hate him due to overexposure is what Shar wants the least.

 

[Boriss]

Maybe he could ask Brian for somethink
So it does not matters if someone is importan or not

What championfighter wants to say is, Blen was important, he was needed to stay alive so he could die a horrible death in Golden Guard dungeons.

 

[LISBOAH]

What championfighter wants to say is, Blen was important, he was needed to stay alive so he could die a horrible death in Golden Guard dungeons.

His death was Game of Throne's style: an important character for an entire book, and then gets imprisoned at the start of the second book and dies at the middle of it, without ever playing a big role.

And no one even mentions him during the second book, at least during important matters.

 

[Shar Dundred]

And no one even mentions him during the second book, at least during important matters.

To be fair, look at his friends and allies:
Aedale: Well. Chapter Thirteen. Nuff said.
Harmos: Was in prison most of the time as well. Don't think he doesn't miss Blen, he does.
Selior: Dead.
Gardon: Busy enough with other things.
The Kasrkin: Screwed.

 

[LISBOAH]

To be fair, look at his friends and allies:
Aedale: Well. Chapter Thirteen. Nuff said.

I wonder if Blen had survived and escaped, could have he managed to bring some sanity to Aedale?

Harmos: Was in prison most of the time as well. Don't think he doesn't miss Blen, he does.
Gardon: Busy enough with other things.

Fair enough.

But Blen was supposed to some kind of hero, admired by the soldiers, and yet apparently his death didn't demoralize the troops at all. Gardon didn't even use his death as anti-Golden Guard propaganda to make some generals and the armies be more motivated to defeat van Durce, the one that imprisoned Blen and killed him.

Selior: Dead.

Selior didn't like him that much, if the second chapter of the First Undead Book is any proof.

The Kasrkin: Screwed.

Will we meet some Kasrkin remnants during the last chapters?

 

[Championfighter25]

I wonder if Blen had survived and escaped, could have he managed to bring some sanity to Aedale?

It depends . If she didn't consume the shard and artifact, then maybe he could have been able to snap her out of it.
If she consumed both, then it becomes significantly harder. I even have a feeling it would even be impossible as Lisara could overpower with relative ease anytime if tries to resist and listen to him.

But Blen was supposed to some kind of hero, admired by the soldiers, and yet apparently his death didn't demoralize the troops at all

Maybe not the emperial army which was made to believe he commited treason, but tell that to the Kasrkin.

Selior didn't like him that much, if the second chapter of the First Undead Book is any proof.

It was a deep-down in his heart type of hatred. We all suffer from that. He was just jealous that he had the higher post, yet didn't accomplish that much. We can all feel that kind of envy sometimes.

 

[LISBOAH]

It depends . If she didn't consume the shard and artifact, then maybe he could have been able to snap her out of it.
If she consumed both, then it becomes significantly harder. I even have a feeling it would even be impossible as Lisara could overpower with relative ease anytime if tries to resist and listen to him.

And given Blen, he would most likely side with her family than with her. After all, her father is an important commander and most of her siblings are also high-ranked.

Maybe not the emperial army which was made to believe he commited treason, but tell that to the Kasrkin.

I don't think van Durce and his Golden Guard are very popular among the armies of the kingdoms. If Gardon gave the "they are about to leave the continent and leave us to die" and "they killed Blen, a hero, under false charges" he could have gathered more followers and even quicker.

It was a deep-down in his heart type of hatred. We all suffer from that. He was just jealous that he had the higher post, yet didn't accomplish that much. We can all feel that kind of envy sometimes.

There is a reason his hidden sin was Wrath, not Envy. He is not envious of Blen. He is pissed that while he is a high-ranker general, the others apparently favor and praise Blen more than him. Blen was facing some orc pillagers, while Selior was defending the entirety of humanity against demons and yet Blen was receiving more glory.

I kind of sympathize with him.

 

[Championfighter25]

I don't think van Durce and his Golden Guard are very popular among the armies of the kingdoms. If Gardon gave the "they are about to leave the continent and leave us to die" and "they killed Blen, a hero, under false charges" he could have gathered more followers and even quicker.

I was talking about his death not demoralizing the imperial troops, since by that point they saw him as a traitor. But anyway Gardon learned about his death only after Harmos informed him. Gardon didn't have much time to spread the news, since time was of the essence and he needed to march on van Durce. So even if he used his death as a way to recruit people, but would have made marginal differences.
And by the time Gardon arrived at Dorten's palace, almost everyone realised the true intentions of the golden guard so spreading news that they were going to leave wasn't going to make that big of a difference either in my opinion.

And given Blen, he would most likely side with her family than with her. After all, her father is an important commander and most of her siblings are also high-ranked.

I think it will be a 50/50. Blen at this point has cut all ties with the empire and Volarian, even if Blen helped him, would still see him as a traitor.

There is a reason his hidden sin was Wrath, not Envy. He is not envious of Blen. He is pissed that while he is a high-ranker general, the others apparently favor and praise Blen more than him. Blen was facing some orc pillagers, while Selior was defending the entirety of humanity against demons and yet Blen was receiving more glory.

I kind of sympathize with him.

Yeah, true. He was screwed by both Blen and Gardon at the same time, so he had reasons for his anger.
It's kind of funny actually. The position of leader of all imperial forces on the continent is like some kind of curse.
For Selior, nobody cared and he wad constantly angry.
For van Durce, everyone wants him dead.

 

[LISBOAH]

Yeah, true. He was screwed by both Blen and Gardon at the same time, so he had reasons for his anger.
It's kind of funny actually. The position of leader of all imperial forces on the continent is like some kind of curse.
For Selior, nobody cared and he wad constantly angry.
For van Durce, everyone wants him dead.

Selior was given nightmares by Largoth, and he managed to defend his position until some stupid orcs came to ruin everything.

van Durce never tried once to be liked by those around him. One of his nephews felt no regret in killing him and the other abandoned him in a continent filled with enemies. If his own family didn't like him, why would anyone else?

 

[Championfighter25]

Selior was given nightmares by Largoth, and he managed to defend his position until some stupid orcs came to ruin everything.

And the saddest part of all this, is that he could have succeeded, only if it wasn't for Genethas's betrayal, which made a lot of people take huge parts of the troops stationed in the border, to fight between each other. Even in his last battle he was massively sabotaged. Quite a shame...

 

[LISBOAH]

And the saddest part of all this, is that he could have succeeded, only if it wasn't for Genethas's betrayal, which made a lot of people take huge parts of the troops stationed in the border, to fight between each other. Even in his last battle he was massively sabotaged. Quite a shame...

What a waste... he died, while scum like Leirrig survived and was even pardoned...

Had he defeated both orcs and demons, all kingdoms would erect statues of him on every town and they would even name an entire region in his memory

 

[Shar Dundred]

Will we meet some Kasrkin remnants during the last chapters?

Nah. Too few in numbers to do anything meaningful in either conflict and they don't like any of the factions.
Golden Guard tried to kill them and killed their leader, Gardon and Kingdoms left them to die and allied with undead abominations and other stuff...
Not to mention that they had to help Aedale and due to her demonic magic, they would probably be considered Demon allies by most. Gotta keep their heads down.

Selior was given nightmares by Largoth, and he managed to defend his position until some stupid orcs came to ruin everything.

To be fair, if they hadn't, the Souleater Legion might have after the Blooddrinker Legion fell to the Undead.
It goes without saying that without the Undead, Ornasion would have wiped the floor with both Orcs and Selior while most generals were kept busy by Genethas.

One of his nephews felt no regret in killing him

Van Durce followed orders of one nephew, the Emperor, to kill the other nephew, Gardon.
Lose-lose situation. No matter what he does, it would have made one of his family members his enemy.

 

[Championfighter25]

Nah. Too few in numbers to do anything meaningful in either conflict and they don't like any of the factions.

How numerous are they exactly? About the size of a Company? Batallion? Regiment? Division?

 

[Boriss]

How numerous are they exactly? About the size of a Company? Batallion? Regiment? Division?

Probably something like "you can count them with your fingers"

 

[Shar Dundred]

How numerous are they exactly? About the size of a Company? Batallion? Regiment? Division?

Very very very very few are still alive.
VERY few.

 

[Championfighter25]

Very very very very few are still alive.
VERY few.

The Karskin force that appeared in chapter 3 of the orc book would not be proud at all.

 

[Daffa]

It goes without saying that without the Undead, Ornasion would have wiped the floor with both Orcs and Selior while most generals were kept busy by Genethas.

Aridon, as always, keeps thing in calculation
Nicely done for Undead part, Orcs love to screw people though.

 

[vinco]

To be fair, look at his friends and allies:
Aedale: Well. Chapter Thirteen. Nuff said.
Harmos: Was in prison most of the time as well. Don't think he doesn't miss Blen, he does.
Selior: Dead.
Gardon: Busy enough with other things.
The Kasrkin: Screwed.

Why undead do not resurrect Blen and Selior? They would be userful

 

[LISBOAH]

Why undead do not resurrect Blen and Selior? They would be userful

Blen's was most likely burned to prevent raise and Selior's was either destroyed by the orcs or demons or Aridon already recovered it.

 

[Championfighter25]

Blen's was most likely burned to prevent raise and Selior's was either destroyed by the orcs or demons or Aridon already recovered it.

Rath actually carries Selior's head as a trophy, meaning the orcs could also have the body. At this point though, it's a bit too late.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Well, wish we had the chance to avenge Selior. But i havent seen much of the orcs in second book. I mean we've seen them trying to destroy the purificator. Twice. But other that, what are their intentions? Why would they try and go for humans, when the undead and the demons were kicking around. So weird. Although I miss Rangul and his sharp cunning mind.

 

[LISBOAH]

Well, wish we had the chance to avenge Selior. But i havent seen much of the orcs in second book. I mean we've seen them trying to destroy the purificator. Twice. But other that, what are their intentions? Why would they try and go for humans, when the undead and the demons were kicking around.

The orcs don't understand the concepts of priorities. The undead kill most of their chieftains and they decide to attack the imperials anyway and didn't even realize that the demons were coming until they were knocking at their door!

Although I miss Rangul and his sharp cunning mind.

Is this a joke? Because if you review the orc book, most of his plans ended up failing because he didn't take into account several factors (the demonic legions, the undead, the imperials actually retaliating...)

 

[Championfighter25]

But i havent seen much of the orcs in second book. I mean we've seen them trying to destroy the purificator. Twice. But other that, what are their intentions?

The only real time their intentions were openly stated was in chapter 10 where they were saying they pillaged the dwarves' homeland for gold and silver. So i guess from that, you can say they still haven't changed that much

Why would they try and go for humans, when the undead and the demons were kicking around.

Even though it's easy to simply say they are idiots, a more realistic reason was because they, like the demons and undead, saw the cannon as a threat.

 

[Shar Dundred]

The orcs don't understand the concepts of priorities. The undead kill most of their chieftains and they decide to attack the imperials anyway and didn't even realize that the demons were coming until they were knocking at their door!

Attacking the Undead would have been suicidal beyond measure.

the undead

Not entirely Rangul's fault, no one could have seen them coming.
No one DID see them coming.

 

[vinco]

Attacking the Undead would have been suicidal beyond measure.

How strong are Undead now after Aridon dead, and are you going to make chapter about civil war between Undead?

 

[LISBOAH]

Attacking the Undead would have been suicidal beyond measure.

I don't mean attacking the undead. They should have stopped the invasion, reorgsnize, choose new chieftains, come up with a new strategy and then restart.

And after the undead killed the other chieftains, they should be more wary of threats around them, instead of just charging towards the imperial defenses and only noticing a demon army when they were already being slaughtered.

 

[merlockqueen]

I mean if Gardon has the cannon hes gonna wipe out the orcs that took over that human kingdom (if the cannon can turn? im not sure about how it works). so the orcs would be like lets stop that cannon that could threaten our new tribal Dominion.

 

[LISBOAH]

I mean if Gardon has the cannon hes gonna wipe out the orcs that took over that human kingdom (if the cannon can turn? im not sure about how it works). so the orcs would be like lets stop that cannon that could threaten our new tribal Dominion.

I guess we now know what Gardon will do once the demon threat is gone...

Nuke the entirety of the Dominion!

 

[Shar Dundred]

I guess we now know what Gardon will do once the demon threat is gone...

Nuke the entirety of the Dominion!

Now you know why they really want that thing gone. d:

 

[Championfighter25]

The humans could be nuking them right now. Gardon and the other armies are close to where the cannon won't be able to suppport them anymore so the orcs are pretty screwed.
Btw, Shar you mentioned Aridon doesn't consider orcs part of the balance and doesn't care if they go extinct or not. What makes him think that way?

 

[Boriss]

The humans could be nuking them right now. Gardon and the other armies are close to where the cannon won't be able to suppport them anymore so the orcs are pretty screwed.
Btw, Shar you mentioned Aridon doesn't consider orcs part of the balance and doesn't care if they go extinct or not. What makes him think that?

It was mentioned that orcs are not natives of that continent. Neither them nor anyone else (except for maybe aridon, brian, krom, rahandir,...) remember where they came from but I think its safe to assume that their homeland is either uninhabitable (maybe the void? the demon lands behind?) or full of them.

 

[LISBOAH]

It was mentioned that orcs are not natives of that continent. Neither them nor anyone else (except for maybe aridon, brian, krom, rahandir,...) remember where they came from but I think its safe to assume that their homeland is either uninhabitable (maybe the void? the demon lands behind?) or full of them.

Given the orcs' "tradition" of fighting among themselves and their wars consist on pillaging and destroying everything on sight, I would assume that they turned their homeland into an uninhabitable place.

If their land is filled with them, then I guess they are either on a state of never-ending war, which might explain why some decided to flee to another continet, or they live somewhat in harmony.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Fitting the current discussion:
News!

 

[LISBOAH]

Fitting the current discussion:
News!

I just read it!

It is quite interesting!

My thoughts:

Spoiler

So Amari is practically Vanessa's step-sister (or is it adoptive sister?) I wonder if she, as a victim of prejudice, will be more tolerant to Vanessa than most. And she appears to be more cunning than 90% of the male orcs by living as a nomad.

I guess Brockta as a grudge against the Undead and especially Edoarus

Flammedus' backstory just shows that humans are pricks, but we all knew that already right?

Dark Trolls are reasonable and wise. They gathered around, talked like civilized people and united without the use of force. They might become my favorite race. Sorry Undead!

Wow. Sasrogarn is really the Butt Monkey on the Arkain series isn't he? What is the reason for this Shar? I am glad to see that Grofazg respects Vanessa. Favorite orc from this moment forward!

Okri's backstory is messed up. Really, humans rape orcs? That is disturbing, even by Arkain standards!