Round Table of Arkain

[Kasrkin]

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From the testing cauldron, things that don't reveal anything spoilery from the update.

 

[Championfighter25]

I don't know... if Gardon manages to hit the demons pretty hard, leaving them as an endangered species, the humans might be capable of repopulating Isalmur with only some strong defenses in the border with the Void.

Unless 1 human is able to kill 10 or 20 demons by himself i don't think that would be possible. Maybe i'm overrating their manpool way too much, but seeing how they recover so quickly even the most catastrophic loss + their repopulation speed, making them endangered is impossible, in my opinion.

 

[ArchDuke]

Scarlet retka? I thought gardon had her executed if you choose to go with Cora

 

[Championfighter25]

Scarlet retka? I thought gardon had her executed if you choose to go with Cora

This is in chapter 5, where you fight her.

 

[ArchDuke]

Oh I see, my bad

 

[Lord Alyx]

so it it correct to say that the final chapters of the second human book will be released within the coming weeks?

 

[Boriss]

so it it correct to say that the final chapters of the second human book will be released within the coming weeks?

doubt it

 

[subzz]

Damn golden guard makeover is just <3

 

[renegade]

Golden Guard makeover, i like!

but i like trainable Justicars even more
(though i know that's highly unlikely)

 

[gendac]

guys are the new chapters for the seccond human book done?

 

[Championfighter25]

guys are the new chapters for the seccond human book done?

No. And considering the entire book is getting a big remake it will take some time.

 

[ArchDuke]

This sucks, was really hopping to be able to play the final chapters in the coming weeks

 

[Shar Dundred]

I aim to make the end product, the full campaign, as perfect and bugless as possible.
I prefer the campaign being in good shape and tested thoroughly prior to release than having
to throw in a hotfix a few hours after release.

 

[ArchDuke]

I understand....well keep up the excellent work, your campaign is one of the best wc3 campaigns out there

 

[Kasrkin]

More screenshots with nothing spoilery as the testing continues!

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[Boriss]

More screenshots with nothing spoilery as the testing continues!

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Someone really likes his golems
Had a re-run of the first human book.
Anyway, do you have any tips for chapter 12 of the 2nd book? For both Gardon and Renald.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Once the full version has been released I have this special hint for the Renald side:
Use the Paladin-Angelic-combo and try guarding the main entrance as long as possible.

 

[LISBOAH]

What I am truly surprised is that neither @Shar Dundred nor @Kasrkin made some April Fool's Day prank on us.

 

[Kasrkin]

Too busy a testin'

 

[Shar Dundred]

 

[Championfighter25]

Isn't making people drink from a grail that has a bit of your blood in it to become stronger considered heresy too?
Oh wait, it is!
#VanDurceExposed
Also isn't finding a grail that has an ancient and now extinct race's blood in it and drink from it to power yourself up also considered heresy?
#VanDurceExposedx2

 

[Boriss]

Someone feels like making memes is the best life choice in Arkain

 

[Championfighter25]

With all the death and destruction in recent times, a little bit of fun ain't such a bad idea.

 

[Boriss]

With all the death and destruction in recent times, a little bit of fun ain't such a bad idea.

I thought that death and destruction is that fun part
Feel bad for Kas, having to replay some chapters many times with many different decisions made before that. Maddening. Not to mention the final chapter.
Btw, any spoilers for the gran finale?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Btw, any spoilers for the gran finale?

I do not plan to give any spoilers for that.

 

[vinco]

I do not plan to give any spoilers for that.

How many chapter will be in full version of second human book?

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

How many chapter will be in full version of second human book?

14. And if I recall correctly, chapter 14 is going to have 2 branches depending on your choices.

 

[subzz]

14. And if I recall correctly, chapter 14 is going to have 2 branches depending on your choices.

When can we expect release of second human book?

P.S: I was playing Original frozen throne campaigns after years last night. Seriously those felt so easy. I know I am being captain obvious but felt like to share it.

 

[Boriss]

When can we expect release of second human book?

P.S: I was playing Original frozen throne campaigns after years last night. Seriously those felt so easy. I know I am being captain obvious but felt like to share it.

Release date is unknown. We know that the whole of it is getting changed. All the changes that were planned for chapters 1 to 13 are, according to
Arkain News Network, already implemented and under heavy, almost Kasrkiny , testing. Thus it is time to wait for chapter 14 to get ready and tested.

 

[Shar Dundred]

When can we expect release of second human book?

When all maps have been finished and tested, all/most bugs found and removed, and the maps tested again.
@Kasrkin is currently testing all existing chapters aka going through hell again and again,
I am working on Chapter Fourteen, fix everything he reports and stuff I find myself etc.

I cannot give a release date, it depends on how things are going.

 

[ArchDuke]

Well Shar, good luck, any chance at all that the Aridon books will be worked on before the orc ones? I really dont like the orcs, their story, or playing as them and I think lots of people on here share my opinion

 

[Championfighter25]

Well Shar, good luck, any chance at all that the Aridon books will be worked on before the orc ones? I really dont like the orcs, their story, or playing as them and I think lots of people on here share my opinion

If i'm not mistaken Shar said after the 2nd human book is released, the 1st orc book will be updated. Then the 2nd orc book will be made.
Well i really don't like them too, but i'm sort of optimistic the 2nd orc book may change that.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

But orc book had great melee macro-intensive maps. Even better than both undead and human books.

 

[Championfighter25]

But orc book had great melee macro-intensive maps. Even better than both undead and human books.

Sorry, i should have been a bit more clear.
I don't like their story, which somewhat diminishes the replay value for me, although i agree that it has the best mission design of all the first books. Especially chapters 5, 7 and 9, which are my favorites, although i wish in chapter 9 all orc clans were present. Maybe with the official release of patch 1.29, we may see that happen.

 

[Shar Dundred]

1.29 will give me many new liberties - and tons of work!
Seriously, I already worry about @Kasrkin's health when we reach that point.
Might need some months to recover afterwards.

Anyway, I got a new strawpoll - been a while!:
Who has more chances of success?

 

[Championfighter25]

Voted. I chose Gardon. I know this may seem like bias, but i feel like he has a way higher chance of success. Unlike van Durce who isn't even confident he will succeed and his forces running extremely thin by the day, Gardon doesn't doubt even one bit he will achieve outright victory and has allies all around him. The demons are indeed a very strong foe and shouldn't be underestimated, and indeed a lot of people will die, but victory even if a pyrrhic one will happen. Now my opinion may change after the epilogue, but I'm judging from what i see right now.
Van Durce, does have the advantage that he is a very popular, even if people see him as very arrogant and prideful commander. Plus not everyone supports the emperor, so I'm guessing at least some people will defect and join his side, no matter how crazy that might sound.
I'll give it the Gardon though since he is in a slightly more favorable position.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Noone. No winners here, only cause and effect.

 

[merlockqueen]

oh a question @Shar Dundred will aedales story be concluded in book two of the humans? or is there going to a be a mini campaign down the line for her?

 

[LISBOAH]

1.29 will give me many new liberties - and tons of work!
Seriously, I already worry about @Kasrkin's health when we reach that point.
Might need some months to recover afterwards.

Anyway, I got a new strawpoll - been a while!:
Who has more chances of success?

Like @Championfighter25 I chose Gardon too for various reason
-Gardon has more supporters: the Ironfists, the Kingdoms, the Elves, the Undead, the Dragons, Lord Brian, etc. Meanwhile van Durce only has the Golden Guard, a weakened Golden Guard by the way, and is going to a continent filled with enemies and no support.
-Gardon is both more pragmatic and open-minded in terms of allies, powers used and strategies

 

[Shar Dundred]

-Gardon is both more pragmatic and open-minded in terms of allies, powers used and strategies

Speaking of that:
Did you accept Ebira's pact?

 

[LISBOAH]

Speaking of that:
Did you accept Ebira's pact?

Yes, I did.

Because
1- Better only one evil than two
2- Ebira at least gives us something in return

@Shar Dundred it is Lisara not Ebira

 

[Championfighter25]

I didn't accept the pact.
She looked like she may have had good intentions, but Lisara also had "good" intentions for Aedale and we all know how that ended...
While she may not participate in the battle with her troops, she may use the pact you made for some other long term evil goal. Just going to you and offering you peace sounds way too weird, especially for a demon. There was to be some kind of a catch and since i don't want to fall for it, i didn't accept.

 

[LISBOAH]

I didn't accept the pact.
She looked like she may have had good intentions, but Lisara also had "good" intentions for Aedale and we all know how that ended...
While she may not participate in the battle with her troops, she may use the pact you made for some other long term evil goal. Just going to you and offering you peace sounds way too weird, especially for a demon. There was to be some kind of a catch and since i don't want to fall for it, i didn't accept.

I think Lisara might sympathize with Aedale, given that both were seen as pariahs and even abandoned by their loved ones.

 

[Championfighter25]

I think Lisara might sympathize with Aedale, given that both were seen as pariahs and even abandoned by their loved ones

While she may have had a little bit of pity on her and may have sympathized a bit, Lisara's ultimate goal with Aedale wasn't her wellbeing. She simply wanted to use her as a vessel so she can later free herself from the prison she was put in. The ending where you spare Redfirst in chapter 13 at least for me, clearly showed how much Lisara cared for her in reality.

 

[LISBOAH]

While she may have had a little bit of pity on her and may have sympathized a bit, Lisara's ultimate goal with Aedale wasn't her wellbeing. She simply wanted to use her as a vessel so she can later free herself from the prison she was put in. The ending where you spare Redfirst in chapter 13 at least for me, clearly showed how much Lisara cared for her in reality.

No one is perfect. And Lisara is still a demon...

And Aedale going on her own with a lot of demonic powers, powers that Lisara gave her, was too dangerous and sounds a little ungrateful...

 

[merlockqueen]

I have two play throughs complete given into demonic power and one of complete rejection. I would say the one initially liked was rejection cause i thought there could be hope for her as a character and to see her grow through this demonic temptation. however after chapter 13 I see it more like a Shakespearean tragedy and that no matter what you do Aedale was doomed from the start with both sides having no real interest in her as a person. So in the end i dont have hope for her for anything but just the most despariful ending of almost any character in the games. was just curious if we would see her end here or later.

 

[Championfighter25]

No one is perfect. And Lisara is still a demon...

And Aedale going on her own with a lot of demonic powers, powers that Lisara gave her, was too dangerous and sounds a little ungrateful...

Yeah, that is true. And good points.
What i'm only trying to say is that for how much a demon or a demoness in this case tries to help you, he/she wants 10 times harder to expoit and use you. So you shouldn't really trust them even in the slightest. That's why declined the pact Ebira offered in the first place.

 

[LISBOAH]

Yeah, that is true. And good points.
What i'm only trying to say is that for how much a demon or a demoness in this case tries to help you, he/she wants 10 times harder to expoit and use you. So you shouldn't really trust them even in the slightest. That's why declined the pact Ebira offered in the first place.

But on this case, Lisara is still giving her far more to Aedale than her family. Lisara gives her power and knowledge, and maybe immortality, at the expense of using Aedale as a pawn. Meanwhile her family, maybe except Cora, doesn't seem to care for her as none came in her defense after being imprisoned and her sister was even willing to make her have a mental breakdown just to save her father, a father that favored her and was pretty abusive to Aedale.

 

[Championfighter25]

But on this case, Lisara is still giving her far more to Aedale than her family. Lisara gives her power and knowledge, and maybe immortality, at the expense of using Aedale as a pawn. Meanwhile her family, maybe except Cora, doesn't seem to care for her as none came in her defense after being imprisoned and her sister was even willing to make her have a mental breakdown just to save her father, a father that favored her and was pretty abusive to Aedale.

On one side you have a family, of which almost nobody gives a damn about you and has abused you, on the other a demon that cares about you, as long as she can use you.
I don't seriously know which can be considered worse?
And Shar said Volarian was a very tragic character... nope, that is actually more accurate towards Aedale.

 

[LISBOAH]

On one side you have a family, of which almost nobody gives a damn about you and has abused you, on the other a demon that cares about you, as long as she can use you.

Call me weird, but I would prefer Lisara. At least she cares, even if we have to be used as pawn.

Her family however, I would kill them all and claim "I would rather have no family than being part of your family."