Round Table of Arkain

[Boriss]

-rages incoherently at patch-

That took too long to get working, not much progress made.

Glad to see you kickin Kas
What troubles were there with the new patch?

 

[OblivionDeadra]

Now downloading the 1.29 -_- hope it was worth to install it andddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd have to replay the entire book 1 and 2 -_- great and it doesnt save your progress/choices you made once you download the latest patch

 

[Boriss]

Can you download it using your Battle.net account?
Edit: need to launch w3 and click "battle.net".

 

[Shar Dundred]

Bad news

 

[renegade]

Bad news

Well that's unfortunate. But seeing as we're all loyal members of Arkain, waiting wouldn't be the death of us until Blizz fixes their shit

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Dire news indeed. On the other hand I can see your point on this one. They always screw up the editor and release a patch tp fix it. Same was with 1.28. Perhaps they lack testing on that subject. Anyway, your pause is more than understandably taken. P.S. Do we continue our bughunt in the first books or do we just wait until things are settled?

 

[Boriss]

Bad news

My bet is that this update was actually made by just a handful of staff, cos it won´t make blizzard a penny. Highly doubt that Blizzard leadership would ever redirect any noticeable amount of resources into Warcraft 3 updates and patches.

 

[Shar Dundred]

P.S. Do we continue our bughunt in the first books or do we just wait until things are settled?

Good that you bring that up.
I think it would be best to wait until Blizz has fixed their mess. Else it would be a waste of time, I think.

My bet is that this update was actually made by just a handful of staff, cos it won´t make blizzard a penny.

I think the Classic Team was pushed to a specific release date. There have been rumors about 1.29 being released at the end of March since we learned what that update even was.
Either that or they didn't do real testing.
Either way, they screwed up hard.

 

[Boriss]

Good that you bring that up.
I think it would be best to wait until Blizz has fixed their mess. Else it would be a waste of time, I think.

I think the Classic Team was pushed to a specific release date. There have been rumors about 1.29 being released at the end of March since we learned what that update even was.
Either that or they didn't do real testing.
Either way, they screwed up hard.

It was on the public test realm for some time. Dunno what went wrong.
Anyway, if you dont know what to play do try out that Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Look it on youtube if you like it try it

 

[OblivionDeadra]

Well i'm installing the newest patch so umm do i have to cancel the installation? I'm just a cusual warcraft 3 fan not a modder.

And i'm already experience of difficulty of installing the patch 1.2.85 without paying *Philippine convert to USA it is no easy feet my friend and i will not spend most of that money just to play the premium ish* and it was hard -_-

It was on the public test realm for some time. Dunno what went wrong.
Anyway, if you dont know what to play do try out that Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Look it on youtube if you like it try it

Andddd this is what i predicted -_- couldn't share my thoughts because it was a simple and huge "Update" for warcraft 3/classic community

 

[Deleted member 238589]

Sorry to hear about this, Shar. I suspected something like this might happen during the patching phase so I've pretty much stopped using the editor until things fall into their place. Let's hope these problems don't get overlooked by Blizzard.

 

[Heaven's Dark harbinger]

i can't find the download button or link

 

[Burningshadow]

Hey shar can your compaign work with version 1.2.4 of warcraft my computer is really old.

 

[Championfighter25]

i can't find the download button or link

Downloads

 

[Boriss]

Hey shar can your compaign work with version 1.2.4 of warcraft my computer is really old.

It can but it can also create problems with cutscenes and stuff. Gameplay elements should remain more or less functional. No guarantee.

Shar, do you have any juicy news from PTR?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Shar, do you have any juicy news from PTR?

News? Yes. Good? No.

Unless I am able to find and remove the thing that makes Chapter Fourteen A crash, there will be no news until we get a full patch.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

News? Yes. Good? No.

Unless I am able to find and remove the thing that makes Chapter Fourteen A crash, there will be no news until we get a full patch.

Ive seem people complaining about editor crashed on blizz forums, so maybe there will be a fix to this mess soon enough.

 

[Burningshadow]

Is Chapter 12 out?

 

[ArchDuke]

@Shar Dundred I don't think blizzard will come out with a fix any time soon. Any way to simply make the update with an earlier version ?

 

[Championfighter25]

@Shar Dundred I don't think blizzard will come out with a fix any time soon. Any way to simply make the update with an earlier version ?

By this point, he'll have added so many things that are incompatible with earlier versions, so i doubt it will be possible.
Also he's mentioned that every version of the second human book has been in touch with patch 1.29, so that's sadly a double no.

 

[Boriss]

Maybe Warcraft 4 is coming out so they are trying to shut down W3 so people would have to buy W4

 

[Shar Dundred]

The only 1.28 version I COULD MAYBE use is the one in the Downloads thread.
Using tat one would mean losing over a month of fixes, adjustments, improvements, new additions, etc.
Not an option, especially since it is a chapter causing most trouble, not the campaign itself.

This is the current situation:
I created a separate campaign file that I worked on with the PTR. The editor did not crash anymore.
However, Chapter Fourteen A crashes seemingly randomly.
I will try to figure out why, but I feel it is the patch, meaning I cannot do anything.

If this cannot be fixed with the next full patch, I might wrap up the story another way until it got fixed.

 

[SwankyOrc]

The only 1.28 version I COULD MAYBE use is the one in the Downloads thread.
Using tat one would mean losing over a month of fixes, adjustments, improvements, new additions, etc.
Not an option, especially since it is a chapter causing most trouble, not the campaign itself.

This is the current situation:
I created a separate campaign file that I worked on with the PTR. The editor did not crash anymore.
However, Chapter Fourteen A crashes seemingly randomly.
I will try to figure out why, but I feel it is the patch, meaning I cannot do anything.

If this cannot be fixed with the next full patch, I might wrap up the story another way until it got fixed.

Sucks. Been waiting for this to be done for quite awhile. Hope it all gets fixed soon so that we can all enjoy the gameplay and story within the books of arkin.

 

[REDON PELLUMBI]

When will we be waiting for the second books ? I have played the first books and they are really good ones

 

[Boriss]

When will we be waiting for the second books ? I have played the first books and they are really good ones

Read a few pages back man.

 

[Burningshadow]

Can someone give the link to the second human book i can't find it in hive.

 

[Championfighter25]

Can someone give the link to the second human book i can't find it in hive.

Downloads

 

[Shar Dundred]

I *may* have been able to fix Chapter Fourteen A.
Maybe.
Possibly.
Hopefully.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

I *may* have been able to fix Chapter Fourteen A.
Maybe.
Possibly.
Hopefully.

Im not much of an editor user, but what was the reason behind the crashes?

 

[Boriss]

I *may* have been able to fix Chapter Fourteen A.
Maybe.
Possibly.
Hopefully.

Keeping fingers crossed.

 

[Shar Dundred]

You know what? Here's a chance to test yourself!
Be sure that you have the latest patch and DO NOT use the PTR.

@LickMyEyeBall: I can't really say until I have fixed it - which I do not know yet.
If I did fix it, it was actually AI related.
In a weird way.
In a Chapter Three way.
In the kind of way that I have to remove an entire AI to have it work.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

You know what? Here's a chance to test yourself!
Be sure that you have the latest patch and DO NOT use the PTR.

@LickMyEyeBall: I can't really say until I have fixed it - which I do not know yet.
If I did fix it, it was actually AI related.
In a weird way.
In a Chapter Three way.
In the kind of way that I have to remove an entire AI to have it work.

Well, old man Kasrkin was doing this for ages now, guess its time the fanboyz start putting some effort into the project after all.

 

[Kasrkin]

Suffer with me and you can get into the Arkain bar, only Shar gets free drinks though. I just get a discount.

 

[OblivionDeadra]

Maybe Warcraft 4 is coming out so they are trying to shut down W3 so people would have to buy W4

Lel

btw do i have to install the latest version to play the chapter 14??

 

[Shar Dundred]

If you downloaded 1.29.0 I would recommend downloading this one regardless .
And I do think so, yes. Otherwise you may encounter bugs that are already gone.

 

[renegade]

Well this is convenient, i have to restart all the levels since my progress wasn't apparently saved with this demo

And so my pain and suffering continues.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Look on the bright side:
This is your pain and suffering REMIX.

 

[Boriss]

Look on the bright side:
This is your pain and suffering REMIX.

Okey, one test run with newest patch and without PTR coming iiiiiin.
Oh the suffering thats coming... it will be delicious. Or delirious?

 

[ArchDuke]

@-Phoenix- You should check the new arkain demo version out

 

[Lord Alyx]

I can't play the newest demo because I currently have a much older of wc3 installed

 

[ArchDuke]

New version's too glitchy?

 

[Lord Alyx]

That and I prefer to use the older one, at least for the time being.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Well this is convenient, i have to restart all the levels since my progress wasn't apparently saved with this demo

And so my pain and suffering continues.

It wasnt saved for me either. Although it said the transfer of progress has been successful, i still had to make the choices.Perhaps that is a demo thingy.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I am curious about the thoughts regarding Chapter Fourteen, both gameplaywise and storywise.
So I created this!

 

[Boriss]

I would like to start a new discussion here. About the books so far. In the thread about orc race mechanic it was mentioned that the orc book is the weakest book so far. Tho I agree gameplay-wise, I think that weakest story was in the first human book.

Reasoning:
While orc books had no interesting missions gameplay-wise, the first human book was literally by-the-book traitor-in-the-midst.
While there were some interesting character interactions and relationship development, like Aedale and her affection for Blen if he saved her, Salana and Gardon and Aedale with Salomar, orc books had more important relations. Rangul´s relationship with his daughter, how she could influence him to spare humans here and there, how she could soften up Sasrogarn (hard to believe he can be any softer), Rath´s vendetta is bit of a classic one and Zairmak´s interaction with Ironfist. And the undead, playing as grey eminence that is emerging from the shadows? That´s some cool stuff. With exciting momens like where Saphira tells Rahandir about Ironfist and Gardon and he says its familiar to him. Resurrection of that Vanessa girl. Pretty good story there.

It would be nice to actually reveal more of a personal story in the second human book.
As Saphira asks Salana about why she turned on Renova, she could ask Larine (if we have Larine with us while Salana runs for the crown)
about how she ended up with such a bunch of misfits. Something like:
Saphira: And how did you end up with this bunch, Larine? Last I remember you were getting married so what made you join this bunch of misfits
and shades? Nothing personal, Gardon.
Gardon: Grrr
Larine: tells her heartbreaking story
Or maybe have this happen when Larine runs for the throne. Or in both cases. Revealing their personal stories with different choices would bring
people to replay it more with different choices.

To sum it up, I think that the undead book was the best of them.
For me personally story is a bit more important than gameplay, so for me the first human book was a little bit weaker than the orc book.
Yet I understand people who prefer gameplay to consider orc book the weakest part. Whats your take?

 

[Championfighter25]

I would like to start a new discussion here. About the books so far. In the thread about orc race mechanic it was mentioned that the orc book is the weakest book so far. Tho I agree gameplay-wise, I think that weakest story was in the first human book.

I think the orc book had the weaker story, but the better gameplay. Just opinion though.

Reasoning:
While orc books had no interesting missions gameplay-wise, the first human book was literally by-the-book traitor-in-the-midst.

I found chapter 7 and 9, no matter how much of a time consumer and hard they were pretty intresting.
Also literally anything that is simplified to its basics can sound a bit stupid. If the human book is the traitor in the midsts book, then the orc book is brutes acting like their smart just to get outtricked multiple times, never learning and in the end while achieving some success failing book.

orc books had more important relations.

Yeah, i'll have to agree with you here. Same for the undead book.
They, for 1st books had better relation building for reasons you stated above.
The 1st human book missed a few times where it could have built some character bonds.
The orc and undead book pull this off better since the orcs were united, due to facing extinction if they didn't. This made each character closer to one another and even though they may have not liked each other, they had to cooperate and comunicate for the better of the race.
The undead were located in just a medium to big sized mountain, so since they were not that far alway from each other, unlike some humans that were an entire sea away, they got way more oppurtunities. Aridon also sending different undead for different tasks, this bonding them improves the relation development a lot.
Except the Veringar-Largoth case. We don't talk about that one.

It would be nice to actually reveal more of a personal story in the second human book.

Agreed. A character being in a battle or seeing something in a cinematic and that making him tell a bit about his past or revealing a part of him we never knew would be the most efficient way in my opinion.
Yes, we have seen this being used a few times, but one more time won't hurt.

To sum it up, I think that the undead book was the best of them.

Yep, in my opinion it was also the best overall book.
Also come on, a final chapter that you can never lose it? Definetely the best book.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Both versions of Chapter Fourteen in a nutshell:

 

[Tuwnew]

 

[Daffa]

Chapter Fourteen B is out?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Not yet, no.