Re-introducing Bundle State

[Ralle]

This might be a bit technical, but it's very important. If you remember the old site, we had states for every resource (now called bundles) and those were pending, awaiting update, approved and rejected.
Until today we have had a different system. Pending bundles were submitted in a sub repository called "Submissions" and when approved moved into the main repository. If rejected, they were moved into "Substandard" unless they were stolen/inappropriate/broken in which case they got deleted.
With this system, bundles did not have a state, instead they were put in a place named after the state. This is inferior because when looking at the bundle you would have to look where it is located instead of what state it has. Also, pending bundles would only be visible when looking specifically inside of "Submissions".

We have received a lot of feedback about the fact that pending submissions are less visible in the new system. Turns out it's very helpful to interleave submissions with approved bundles to get feedback to the authors and feedback for the moderators/reviewers to make better and faster decisions. It also means that even if we have a big backlog of pending bundles, it's not as serious because they are still visible and as accessible as the approved ones.

Because of this, today we are re-introducing bundle state. It is not 100% as you know it, but it will feel similar enough. Here are the new states:

	Pending	When you have submitted a bundle.
	Awaiting Update	A moderator/reviewer has requested that you make some changes.
	Approved	Your bundle is approved.
	Substandard	Your bundle is low quality / buggy (and never fixed) / a very simple edit.
	Restricted	Your bundle is stolen / ripped / broken (and never fixed) / inappropriate.

Bundles will have these icons wherever they are displayed. You will be able to filter between the states in repositories and the search page. This also means that the "Submissions" and "Substandard" sections are going away.

With this new system also comes a new "Moderate" button for moderators/reviewers to simplify the process of going through bundles.

Enjoy.

 

[A Void]

This is great news, greatly eases moderation and review progress.

 

[Eat_Bacon_Daily]

Sounds great! I always end up browsing the submissions and substandard tabs separately if I don't immediately find what I'm looking for. Nice to see this site continuously evolving into more awesome.
Though I wonder, if a bundle is tagged to substandard will it be impossible for it to return to pending status? Because that would mean substandard is somewhat of a death sentence

 

[Ralle]

Bundles only ever go to substandard if they are never fixed or a very simple edit. Take a footman, remove his sword, submit. That would probably go to substandard. However, if you make something bigger yourself and it has flaws, the moderator puts it in "Awaiting Update" requesting that you fix it. You get endless tries to fix it as long as you actually progress. So yes, it is kind of a "death" sentence, but only in the case that you cannot be helped or didn't really do anything in the first place.

 

[deepstrasz]

Shouldn't Restricted be rejected and even deleted? Restricted basically means there are some limits to something.

 

[Ralle]

The old system used deletion. I will probably end up auto deleting restricted items after a time period, but it's important for the user to see his bundle being in this state and not just make it completely inaccessible.

 

[Eat_Bacon_Daily]

Thanks for the clarification

BTW, I think the search function is broken since you made this update

 

[Ralle]

Broken and fixed again yes.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Very cool, and very stylish. While things are changing, I'll put in one final plug for renaming "Substandard" to... anything, really. "Simple"?

 

[Ralle]

But it's not just simple. It's also something that rots in Awaiting Update and finally gets purged.

 

[Krakenn99]

This looks good, para pa pa paaa I'm loving it! Before I even forgot about the submission folders...

 

[Hermit]

I love the icons, good job. But why do I now need to scroll down in order to see the whole description of a resource (especially maps)? Being able to only see half a screenshot at a time isn't fun.

 

[Cherrymage]

Well, can we choose whether to show Substandard resources or not?

Also, when I try to delete by reporting some of my old shitty stuffs, made back in the years, always a Server Error

 

[Hawkwing]

I'm really glad to see this change. Nice work.

I've always felt that having a distinction between pending submissions and those awaiting an update was important. I am glad to see this has been brought over to the new system.

 

[JaysProjex]

Bundle is the new word & it's being forced upon the community, I hate it.

The way Bundle is used here is so misleading & unfortunately I cannot adapt to it.

If looking for 1 individual resource no matter what it is it will always say "Bundle" it makes no sense it's eye cringing.

Bundle should just be a option if the uploader wants to upload another resource in the same pack.

Example: A "resource" has been uploaded, ask the author if they're willing to add "more resources to make it a bundle?"

Really like the icons & the removal of the (too simple & substandard) definitely a breathe of fresh air.

 

[deepstrasz]

But why do I now need to scroll down in order to see the whole description of a resource (especially maps)? Being able to only see half a screenshot at a time isn't fun.

^This....

 

[Ralle]

Bundle is the new word & it's being forced upon the community, I hate it.

The way Bundle is used here is so misleading & unfortunately I cannot adapt to it.

If looking for 1 individual resource no matter what it is it will always say "Bundle" it makes no sense it's eye cringing.

Bundle should just be a option if the uploader wants to upload another resource in the same pack.

Example: A "resource" has been uploaded, ask the author if they're willing to add "more resources to make it a bundle?"

Really like the icons & the removal of the (too simple & substandard) definitely a breathe of fresh air.

That's unfortunate. It is going to stay like this. The bundle is basically the thread and the resource is one of possible multiple attachments. I try to keep things consistent by calling it bundle everywhere.

I know that right now we are still thinking of things like we did with the old site. In my view, we haven't really started yet. I plan to have model creators have all their fitting icons merged into their model bundle to serve what should stick together as one.

I love the icons, good job. But why do I now need to scroll down in order to see the whole description of a resource (especially maps)? Being able to only see half a screenshot at a time isn't fun.

Previews (screenshots) aren't part of the description ideally, so that argument falls apart.
In my opinion descriptions are often times far too long. I have however had similar feedback as yours from other people. I really don't want the description to get too long, but may be we can find a compromise by increasing the size of the box a bit instead?

Also, when I try to delete by reporting some of my old shitty stuffs, made back in the years, always a Server Error

That's not supposed to happen. Can you post in Staff Contact with the error you get and we can look into it?

 

[deepstrasz]

Previews (screenshots) aren't part of the description ideally, so that argument falls apart.
In my opinion descriptions are often times far too long. I have however had similar feedback as yours from other people. I really don't want the description to get too long, but may be we can find a compromise by increasing the size of the box a bit instead?

Well, the site already has a spoiler and hidden tag option. Why not just use that instead?
This might force us to reupload and upload screenshots in smaller size.

 

[Edge45]

I've reread through some descriptions, so if a resource is in Substandard, would it have a chance to return back to Awaiting Update if it was (perhaps the term) suddenly reworked or even Approved?

 

[Chaosy]

For how long does a submission stand as "Awaiting Update"?

 

[Kazeon]

Yea! The almighty thumb is back!

 

[Deleted member 219079]

But why do I now need to scroll down in order to see the whole description of a resource (especially maps)? Being able to only see half a screenshot at a time isn't fun.

You can remove the max-height property yourself.

 

[deepstrasz]

You can remove the max-height property yourself.

You know what? I'd rather not learn programming stuff just for that.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

It is simple CSS...
Stylish:

.bundle-description { max-height: 1000px; }

 

[deepstrasz]

It is simple CSS...

Not using Chrome and have no idea where I have to write that anyway.

 

[Misha]

ah, this is great news, chieftain

 

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[Misha]

alright folks, i found 3 silly maps from my past in the resource page of mine, but when i tried to report them, i got a server error.. I really want to have no maps in my resources, if that's possible =P

 

[Ralle]

I've reread through some descriptions, so if a resource is in Substandard, would it have a chance to return back to Awaiting Update if it was (perhaps the term) suddenly reworked or even Approved?

Sure. There's always a way to get back. Staff Contact.

For how long does a submission stand as "Awaiting Update"?

Until updated ;-).

 

[infrenus]

Now now, how do you properly make a search? Let's say I'm searching for one of these black sun elfs that re in the substandard section because they are simple, how do I search a bundle instead of a model? If I search the models, I will end only with the accepted ones, so said model will not appear in the search list.

 

[deepstrasz]

@jondrean thanks but I've had enough of extensions, plugins and addons for my Firefox. I've disabled them all because some sites just crashed my browser loading them.

Being able to only see half a screenshot at a time isn't fun

The "good news" is that screenshots can be accessed at the bottom of the map thread's first post by clicking the preview image right above the green Map Info.

 

[Chaosy]

@Ralle
I mean if they don't update it.
Is it gonna stay there for years?

 

[Ralle]

Now now, how do you properly make a search? Let's say I'm searching for one of these black sun elfs that re in the substandard section because they are simple, how do I search a bundle instead of a model? If I search the models, I will end only with the accepted ones, so said model will not appear in the search list.

If you look at the options during search you can select whether to see pending, approved, awaiting update or substandard.

@Ralle
I mean if they don't update it.
Is it gonna stay there for years?

the moderator guidelines say that if nothing happens after three months you're welcome to put it in substandard. But that is not a requirement.

 

[Blood Raven]

What about the models that were on "needs fix" in the old hive and are now in substandard even though they are obviously not "substandard"?

 

[Ralle]

There were 100s of awaiting update models on the old site. Many of them years old and never updated. When updating to the new site (before this moderation system), I had to make a cut. Everything not updated in 3 months was moved to substandard, the rest pending.

 

[Blood Raven]

I see. That actually makes sense, but what about the resources that were rejected and are now substandard?

 

[Ralle]

Those are substandard. I have a plan to filter through them and get rid of those that are stolen/inappropriate/etc.

 

[Blood Raven]

Nice, that new system is indeed cool. While you're at it could you make it possible for people to delete their own resources? Either I'm blind or there is currently no such option.
And by the way, if I want to update one of my currently substandard resources to get it to "approved" state, do I need to contact a moderator or is it automatically put in "pending" again?

 

[deepstrasz]

Alright, it kind of got annoying scrolling through the new description in a box thing. When you get to the last part of the description/at the bottom of the box, scrolling starts moving the thread upwards instead. The workaround is to just hold the left click on the box's scroll bar and drag the mouse up or down. But then, you'd have to do that with the thread's scroll bar too because if you want to scroll while your cursor is over the description box, guess what happens, yeah, the box's scrollbar moves.

 

[Ralle]

And by the way, if I want to update one of my currently substandard resources to get it to "approved" state, do I need to contact a moderator or is it automatically put in "pending" again?

Yeah.

Nice, that new system is indeed cool. While you're at it could you make it possible for people to delete their own resources? Either I'm blind or there is currently no such option.

For sure. While you wait, you can use the report button and request it.

Alright, it kind of got annoying scrolling through the new description in a box thing. When you get to the last part of the description/at the bottom of the box, scrolling starts moving the thread upwards instead. The workaround is to just hold the left click on the box's scroll bar and drag the mouse up or down. But then, you'd have to do that with the thread's scroll bar too because if you want to scroll while your cursor is over the description box, guess what happens, yeah, the box's scrollbar moves.

If your cursor is over the leaf borders and scroll, it will scroll past it instead.

 

[deepstrasz]

If your cursor is over the leaf borders and scroll, it will scroll past it instead.

I know that. I'm just saying scrolling isn't as helpful as before.

 

[Ralle]

I will let it sit for a while and see if it generally is considered a problem. Personally I like it better this way.

 

[Deolrin]

I like this a lot! Great changes, reminds me of the old system but improved. However, I'm somewhat confused about what happens to rejected resources. Can't they stay hidden, visible only to mods and the uploader, as before? This is good mainly for nostalgia and self-improvement reasons, but I still think it's a shame to simply remove those resources.

 

[Rufus]

Tagging people who have expressed similiar opinions earlier in this thread.

@Deolrin @Directive255 @Misha
I think we should hide resources with the "Awaiting update" and "Substandard" from users profiles.
"Restricted" and "Substandard" should only be available for mods and the uploader, by checking the box in the resource section.

This because people don't want to display their past and "failed" or "bad" maps. We've already recieved a bit of messages to the staff, asking for removal of those resources, which is a shame really, as it can be fun to go back and look at your own stuff, but you don't want everybody to access it. It is kinda like awkward pictures of you when you were a kid.

@Hermit @deepstrasz
I would also like to forward the opinion of a few others in this thread, and in other places, and say that the new description box, that is must be scrolled to reveal the entire description should be removed, and descriptions should be shown in their full glory as they were before. The current box is way too small.
Perhaps an anchor could be inserted in the top of the resource page, to quickly get down to the comments, if that was why this description scroll-box was implemented.


Most of the updates were great, but this I think should be changed.
If you agree, please post below so we can know if there are more people thinking the same way!

 

[A Void]

Tagging people who have expressed similiar opinions earlier in this thread.

@Deolrin @Directive255 @Misha
I think we should hide resources with the "Awaiting update" and "Substandard" from users profiles.
"Restricted" and "Substandard" should only be available for mods and the uploader, by checking the box in the resource section.

This because people don't want to display their past and "failed" or "bad" maps. We've already recieved a bit of messages to the staff, asking for removal of those resources, which is a shame really, as it can be fun to go back and look at your own stuff, but you don't want everybody to access it. It is kinda like awkward pictures of you when you were a kid.

@Hermit @deepstrasz
I would also like to forward the opinion of many others in this thread, and in other places, and say that the new description box, that is must be scrolled to reveal the entire description should be removed, and descriptions should be shown in their full glory as they were before. The current box is way too small.
Perhaps an anchor could be inserted in the top of the resource page, to quickly get down to the comments, if that was why this description scroll-box was implemented.


Most of the updates were great, but this I think should be changed.
If you agree, please post below so we can know if there are more people thinking the same way!

I agree, my user resource tab is full of my past resources that I no longer care or support.

 

[Misha]

@Rufus yes, i do like to control what other people see from my resources, and what was once rejected or even deleted, shouldn't be in my resources again.

 

[IcemanBo]

I would also like to forward the opinion of many others in this thread, and in other places, and say that the new description box, that is must be scrolled to reveal the entire description should be removed, and descriptions should be shown in their full glory as they were before.

Yes. The box/limitation makes the description harder to overview. Pasted code in JASS tags is already bigger than the desrcription limit.

 

[Cherrymage]

Tagging people who have expressed similiar opinions earlier in this thread.

@Deolrin @Directive255 @Misha
I think we should hide resources with the "Awaiting update" and "Substandard" from users profiles.
"Restricted" and "Substandard" should only be available for mods and the uploader, by checking the box in the resource section.

This because people don't want to display their past and "failed" or "bad" maps. We've already recieved a bit of messages to the staff, asking for removal of those resources, which is a shame really, as it can be fun to go back and look at your own stuff, but you don't want everybody to access it. It is kinda like awkward pictures of you when you were a kid.

Yeah, but some Substandard resources are actually useful if you say, while some are simply an embarrassment.
Why not allow users to choose whether resources to show or hide? Instead of showing or hiding them all together? That way we will still have access to many great, useful stuffs that ended up in the Substandard section, but also be able to hide our embarrassment

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Yeah, but some Substandard resources are actually useful if you say, while some are simply an embarrassment.
Why not allow users to choose whether resources to show or hide? Instead of showing or hiding them all together? That way we will still have access to many great, useful stuffs that ended up in the Substandard section, but also be able to hide our embarrassment

Would you like substandard resources to be hidden from profiles by default?

Also, having this back feels very nostalgic. Even the moderator rating. Maybe I'll moderate a map for the first time in months ^^

 

[Cherrymage]

Yeah, would come in handy, but the poll doesn't have option to let users choose-- oh wait, my bad, it's "Default"...
For me, even if I wanted to hide my crappy shame, I still want to scavenge others' Substandard Resource tabs to find for something useful. So... let me change my vote! But first.... make sure we users have choice to display or hide resources by default, even better allowing us to choose which stuff we want to hide or show