1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. The SharpCraft World Editor Extended (WEX) has been updated for the latest Warcraft 3 version: Forum.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. The Paired Modeling/Texturing Contest #3 - Leaders has begun! Artists group up and struggle! May the best team lead the run.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. The long awaited results for Mini-Mapping Contest #13 is here! Congratulate the winners!
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Vote for the best Concept Art Contest - Bounty Hunter entry!
    Dismiss Notice

Re-introducing Bundle State

Discussion in 'Latest Updates and News' started by Ralle, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. Ralle

    Ralle

    Owner

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    10,673
    This might be a bit technical, but it's very important. If you remember the old site, we had states for every resource (now called bundles) and those were pending, awaiting update, approved and rejected.
    Until today we have had a different system. Pending bundles were submitted in a sub repository called "Submissions" and when approved moved into the main repository. If rejected, they were moved into "Substandard" unless they were stolen/inappropriate/broken in which case they got deleted.
    With this system, bundles did not have a state, instead they were put in a place named after the state. This is inferior because when looking at the bundle you would have to look where it is located instead of what state it has. Also, pending bundles would only be visible when looking specifically inside of "Submissions".

    We have received a lot of feedback about the fact that pending submissions are less visible in the new system. Turns out it's very helpful to interleave submissions with approved bundles to get feedback to the authors and feedback for the moderators/reviewers to make better and faster decisions. It also means that even if we have a big backlog of pending bundles, it's not as serious because they are still visible and as accessible as the approved ones.

    Because of this, today we are re-introducing bundle state. It is not 100% as you know it, but it will feel similar enough. Here are the new states:

    pending.png Pending When you have submitted a bundle.
    awaiting_update.png Awaiting Update A moderator/reviewer has requested that you make some changes.
    approved.png Approved Your bundle is approved.
    substandard.png Substandard Your bundle is low quality / buggy (and never fixed) / a very simple edit.
    restricted.png Restricted Your bundle is stolen / ripped / broken (and never fixed) / inappropriate.

    Bundles will have these icons wherever they are displayed. You will be able to filter between the states in repositories and the search page. This also means that the "Submissions" and "Substandard" sections are going away.

    With this new system also comes a new "Moderate" button for moderators/reviewers to simplify the process of going through bundles.

    Enjoy.
     
  2. A Void

    A Void

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2011
    Messages:
    2,294
    This is great news, greatly eases moderation and review progress. :)
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2016
  3. Eat_Bacon_Daily

    Eat_Bacon_Daily

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    343
    Sounds great! I always end up browsing the submissions and substandard tabs separately if I don't immediately find what I'm looking for. Nice to see this site continuously evolving into more awesome.
    Though I wonder, if a bundle is tagged to substandard will it be impossible for it to return to pending status? Because that would mean substandard is somewhat of a death sentence
     
  4. Ralle

    Ralle

    Owner

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    10,673
    Bundles only ever go to substandard if they are never fixed or a very simple edit. Take a footman, remove his sword, submit. That would probably go to substandard. However, if you make something bigger yourself and it has flaws, the moderator puts it in "Awaiting Update" requesting that you fix it. You get endless tries to fix it as long as you actually progress. So yes, it is kind of a "death" sentence, but only in the case that you cannot be helped or didn't really do anything in the first place.
     
  5. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    3,687
    Shouldn't Restricted be rejected and even deleted? Restricted basically means there are some limits to something.
     
  6. Ralle

    Ralle

    Owner

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    10,673
    The old system used deletion. I will probably end up auto deleting restricted items after a time period, but it's important for the user to see his bundle being in this state and not just make it completely inaccessible.
     
  7. Eat_Bacon_Daily

    Eat_Bacon_Daily

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    343
    Thanks for the clarification :D

    BTW, I think the search function is broken since you made this update :(
     
  8. Ralle

    Ralle

    Owner

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    10,673
    Broken and fixed again yes.
     
  9. Kyrbi0

    Kyrbi0

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2008
    Messages:
    5,820
    Very cool, and very stylish. While things are changing, I'll put in one final plug for renaming "Substandard" to... anything, really. "Simple"?
     
  10. Ralle

    Ralle

    Owner

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    10,673
    But it's not just simple. It's also something that rots in Awaiting Update and finally gets purged.
     
  11. Krakenn99

    Krakenn99

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2014
    Messages:
    416
    This looks good, para pa pa paaa I'm loving it! Before I even forgot about the submission folders...
     
  12. Hermit

    Hermit

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    844
    I love the icons, good job. But why do I now need to scroll down in order to see the whole description of a resource (especially maps)? Being able to only see half a screenshot at a time isn't fun.
     
  13. Directive255

    Directive255

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,935
    Well, can we choose whether to show Substandard resources or not?

    Also, when I try to delete by reporting some of my old shitty stuffs, made back in the years, always a Server Error
     
  14. Hawkwing

    Hawkwing

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2006
    Messages:
    5,782
    I'm really glad to see this change. Nice work. :)

    I've always felt that having a distinction between pending submissions and those awaiting an update was important. I am glad to see this has been brought over to the new system.
     
  15. JaysProjex

    JaysProjex

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2007
    Messages:
    385
    Bundle is the new word & it's being forced upon the community, I hate it.

    The way Bundle is used here is so misleading & unfortunately I cannot adapt to it.

    If looking for 1 individual resource no matter what it is it will always say "Bundle" it makes no sense it's eye cringing.

    Bundle should just be a option if the uploader wants to upload another resource in the same pack.

    Example: A "resource" has been uploaded, ask the author if they're willing to add "more resources to make it a bundle?"

    Really like the icons & the removal of the (too simple & substandard) definitely a breathe of fresh air.
     
  16. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    3,687
    ^This....
     
  17. Ralle

    Ralle

    Owner

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    10,673
    That's unfortunate. It is going to stay like this. The bundle is basically the thread and the resource is one of possible multiple attachments. I try to keep things consistent by calling it bundle everywhere.

    I know that right now we are still thinking of things like we did with the old site. In my view, we haven't really started yet. I plan to have model creators have all their fitting icons merged into their model bundle to serve what should stick together as one.
    Previews (screenshots) aren't part of the description ideally, so that argument falls apart.
    In my opinion descriptions are often times far too long. I have however had similar feedback as yours from other people. I really don't want the description to get too long, but may be we can find a compromise by increasing the size of the box a bit instead?
    That's not supposed to happen. Can you post in Staff Contact with the error you get and we can look into it?
     
  18. deepstrasz

    deepstrasz

    Map Reviewer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Messages:
    3,687
    Well, the site already has a spoiler and hidden tag option. Why not just use that instead?
    This might force us to reupload and upload screenshots in smaller size.
     
  19. Edge45

    Edge45

    Joined:
    May 15, 2013
    Messages:
    2,435
    I've reread through some descriptions, so if a resource is in Substandard, would it have a chance to return back to Awaiting Update if it was (perhaps the term) suddenly reworked or even Approved?
     
  20. Chaosy

    Chaosy

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    8,913
    For how long does a submission stand as "Awaiting Update"?