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Come on Shar! How could you kill Vanessa right away? Haven´t the redfist family suffer enough?
Herdon is pissed, and we dont know how this cool head general can do when he is angry, he is going to use the ironbarks to found out Bradley.
Also Garan was a nice general, it seems cooperative and wanted to unify arkain, with two big factions as allies, also maybe in the future when Amari and Gardon are dead they could unite, but i think both of them are inmmortal by now.

Also poor Grofzag... he lost everything, first his father, then his best friend Sas and now his wife, he can´t catch break can he? Maybe this is the reason he awakens his full powers with the earth magic? There wasn´t any more plot points towards that during the war.

Krom... you shouldn´t be with Aridon anymore, he has enough servants and the rest of them are off, I know Meya and Kazardius will fight him soon enough, same as pentiss and Quiraness, you should reconsider.

Zyianor has necromancers but the corpsers are burn so they cant do anything, however there is some Shadow master that could take the Shadow of Garan... Making him even more enemy of Gardon.

Was that Ferina commanding the Kerrel forces?

This was a hell of a prelude, there is no way any of the factions cooperate at all, nice work Largoth.
Also this was the first time that Alchemy was used right? Maybe is the reason behind the plague in Rengar.

The whole incident was either orchestrated by the Rohir Nexus or the Empire. Vanessa's death will most likely create unrest among the Salrians,
Maybe it was Inara´s doing? In order to increase her power by killing the Salrians loyal to Vanessa.

Maybe the faction from espionage is the culprit behind it.


Imagine if the shadows could be revived through the grail. That would be an interesting storyline for the Human or Orc paths. Or corrupt it in the undead paths.
That would be incredible, imagine Renova rising again against Larine and his Puppet regime.
Renova + Salana (and maybe Saphira) vs Larine Herdon Tormin and anyone that dares to fight the elves.

I wanna know what is Rahandir doing, building his forces? Being the Cool uncle of the elven children?
 
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Man, i really would have liked to play at least one mission as Garan, that being said, i doubt this it's Garan and Venessa end, for the simple fact, that Shar teased the hell out of the Holy Grail
 

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Without commenting on the powers and uses of the grail in the future, I do not believe that the plot of
all paths should focus on bringing as many characters as possible from the dead, be they loved or loathed.
It would only invalidate the narrative meaning behind the death of a character if they all end up coming back.
I am not saying returns of some characters are never ever happening but focussing on it too much would be a
huge narrative mistake.

How could you kill Vanessa right away?
It wasn't right away. You had a mission to reconnect to her, remember the good times you had and smile thinking about it.
THEN she got killed! :p

Jokes aside, I understand the shock about the fate of certain characters in the last release - the way I see it,
it highlights how they have grown on people during their time and how successful they have been in their role.
 
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Without commenting on the powers and uses of the grail in the future, I do not believe that the plot of
all paths should focus on bringing as many characters as possible from the dead, be they loved or loathed.
It would only invalidate the narrative meaning behind the death of a character if they all end up coming back.


It wasn't right away. You had a mission to reconnect to her, remember the good times you had and smile thinking about it.
THEN she got killed! :p
I mean yeah u are right...but then u wouldn't introduce the ressurection ability of the grail if u didnt plan to bring somebody back, Renald it's of course the most likely to return, and all of Marin talk about using the grail, so in the end..we can just wait and see...also, still not cool kiling garan without giving us at least one zyanor prelude mission, other than that, cant wait to see what leagacy hold in store for us..other then ya know..endless war
 
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Without commenting on the powers and uses of the grail in the future, I do not believe that the plot of
all paths should focus on bringing as many characters as possible from the dead, be they loved or loathed.
It would only invalidate the narrative meaning behind the death of a character if they all end up coming back.
I am not saying returns of some characters are never ever happening but focussing on it too much would be a
huge narrative mistake.


It wasn't right away. You had a mission to reconnect to her, remember the good times you had and smile thinking about it.
THEN she got killed! :p

Jokes aside, I understand the shock about the fate of certain characters in the last release - the way I see it,
it highlights how they have grown on people during their time and how successful they have been in their role.
While that is true, you did bring back a lot of characters from the dead. But this was through necromancy than anything else. So I'm half-expecting both Garan and Vanessa to be revived by their necromancy or shadow magic. As for the Holy Grail, it was always shown to bring back the dead to life. As much as it's a narrative mistake, I feel like it's still a key point to the choices we make. For example, if we steal that grail from the Golden Guard, we would be allowed to use its power with the faction we choose (i.e. reviving Garan as Zyainor, reviving Vanessa as Dominion). But if it is an overall narrative mistake, then I won't blame you and will continue to love the story as is . Then again, it really is a shame that you didn't give us a chance to play Garan since he was a key character for Zyainor. I mean, he's not even that old and lord Shar basically told us his role was already successful (please give us a chance to play him in an updated Struggles of Arkain map).

Just shows how we love these characters, lord Shar. If it's within the capabilities of the narrative, please allow us the choice to revive them and play them somehow.

On another note, when it comes to reviving the dead, I do have some interesting theories that would probably come to play. One theory I'm thinking is if we play the Cora faction, she could use the Zirr's knowledge to bring Vanessa to life as a Frost Mistress. Another I'm thinking is if we're playing against Zyainor, Gardon would resort to using necromancy to bring Garan back to life (he wouldn't if we play as Zyainor since we're in control of the war as the players). Aveen did this with her Ranger against the Dominion on the final orc mission. I'm also expecting a lot of canon events here (meaning even in the different paths, it would still happen regardless like let's say Brian returning, but depending on which faction we're playing, he would join that faction).

I'm already over Garan and Vanessa dying at this point. Now, I'm just formulating what we will do with the rest of these deaths once the war actually starts.

Edit: I actually forgot about Gorthog being reanimated by the moghtar warlock. So I'm hoping we either get that option or its a canon event regardless.
 
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NO!!! Garan! Vanessa! You don't deserve to die! Not now! I will save you in my fanfic Chronicles of Arkain. With others characters.

So, question: The Dark One is behind this double assassination? Or in the dwarves' invasion? Will we have several endings? with choices, it will affect the ending. will Demons get more spotlight?
 
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I mean i am not bummed about her death, Vanessa hasn't been cool since the first orc book era, then she got swept under the rug, i am kinda bummed for Garan though, would have loved to see what he would have done as a more pragmatic Gardon (that is the vibe he gave to me from all the sources given on him) maybe he gets brought back as a undead ( i am full on dunked on the copium tank here).

As for who could have done it, I doubt Largoth or Brian would have played a part in what happened, as for Aridon on the other hand...

Largoth is in charge of the strongest nation on the world, killing off Garan while it would make sense to a degree if Gardon possed a legitimate threat to him, but in my opinion Zyainor is no where near as powerful as Rodan in terms of waging war capabilities,

I dont think Brian would really want to harm Gardon by striking down one of his kids, from all the three brothers he seems the most benevolent and he to a degree does genuinely care about Gardon.

On the other hand Aridon has always done this type of shenanigans and he would greatly benefit from a conflict between Zyainor and Tribal Dominion and he has Mordin hammerfall to be the trusted emmisary that tiped the dwarfs off about the dominion invasion but the time from when he came back from his self impossed exile and the time where the assasination happened feels like to soon, I dont think he has enough manpower to make a move once Zyainor and Tribal Dominion have been fully engaged in war.
 
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Largoth is in charge of the strongest nation on the world, killing off Garan while it would make sense to a degree if Gardon possed a legitimate threat to him, but in my opinion Zyainor is no where near as powerful as Rodan in terms of waging war capabilities,
Tregakh is smart. He would have a much easier time conquering Arkain if every faction in it were busy fighting each other.
On the other hand Aridon has always done this type of shenanigans and he would greatly benefit from a conflict between Zyainor and Tribal Dominion and he has Mordin hammerfall to be the trusted emmisary that tiped the dwarfs off about the dominion invasion but the time from when he came back from his self impossed exile and the time where the assasination happened feels like to soon, I dont think he has enough manpower to make a move once Zyainor and Tribal Dominion have been fully engaged in war.
The problem lies in how did he manage to do this. This scheme fits on how the Rohir Nexus opperates, but said Nexus is, at least for now, no longer under his control.
 
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Tregakh is smart. He would have a much easier time conquering Arkain if every faction in it were busy fighting each other.
I am not doubting his ability to play all sides, after all he shafted all three major factions back on the true story, however from a narrative point of view whats there to gain if we go through another plotline when Largoth is the one doing the shafting again, the short stories (at least how i understand it ) are following a more localised story telling. The books were all about this major conflict pitting against each other massive powers ( that was reflected even on the gameplay) while the short stories seem to take a smaller scale both in story telling and the gameplay aspect.
The problem lies in how did he manage to do this. This scheme fits on how the Rohir Nexus opperates, but said Nexus is, at least for now, no longer under his control.
I do agree with this as i stated also the time from Aridon came back to where he could have hatched this plot doesnt fit at all.

This leaves me thinking it could be one of the two factions Demons or The sisters.
I am leaning more towards the sisters purely from the fact that this is smth new, we already been through Largoth's tricks and Demons invasion, it doesn't make for a compeling story to reuse them again, but thats a personal opinion.

From all we know it could have been Marongoin war is where mercenaries are needed after all.

 
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O' boy... the prelude... was surreal and cathartic.

I still can't believe Vanessa gone like this... even Garan too. Yet I feel it's not their end. Brian is definitely interested in waxing his flock. Or maybe (just maybe) undead Vanessa can become a thing once again. Since Aridon's undead is at its weakest in history ever since the destruction of Zindrach... he will probably raise majority of fallen Dominion characters to fill his already severely depleted ranks. With other nexus resisting and betraying him... it would only make sense for him to create loyal new nexus to spearhead final war. Maybe it is time to create Dominion nexus. Since Aridon was present watching Rangul and Ephrog nuked... it makes sense he got possession of their bodies for possible use. Maybe it is time. Perhaps we can see family reunion if that path is taken.

Depending on the path, however, we may revive either Vanessa, Garan or Renald through grial or make either of them undead or either of them shadow servant. It would be interesting to see Renald actually got raised as shadow after grial has been used to revive Garan while Vanessa becomes undead, or vice versa thrice. Aridon raising Garan would induce such a rage that Zyainor might as well deploy all of their forces to nuke Dead Mountain while backed up by Rohir and Zirr. It would be interesting to see Vail's reaction too. Perhaps, her unhealthy focus on daughters of King would shift to Kerrel and Rengar. Either way, both kingdoms are screwed. Though there is one peaceful way left: Gardon can pretty much marry Ferina as originally planned to annex Kerrel.

It would be poetic to see that unlucky archer maybe shooting down the culprit, as the arrow finds its mark truly this time... after all the destruction he wrought.

As for who the culprit is... Aridon is top candidate as he probably needed excuse to kill high caliber leaders for opportunity. Or it could be empress of Espionage empire; though I have doubts. As for the identity of the empire, what if they are offshoot of Arkainians? I imagine them to be extremely xenophobic and wishing to topple all the forces in Arkain. Their top name on the blacklist, however, would be sack of bones himself if they are aware of his genocide on Arkainians. I doubt it was Sisters though as they need every force they can muster against Four.

O' boy let's see what the future has in its horizon.
 
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Tregakh is smart. He would have a much easier time conquering Arkain if every faction in it were busy fighting each other.
And he knows that both Bryan and Aridon are there with their ever-growing armies. They need them weaker because if they unite (something that could happened because this conversation between Garan and Vanessa, they would stomp him) the war is over.
Also we don´t know anything about Demons true intentions yet.

The problem lies in how did he manage to do this. This scheme fits on how the Rohir Nexus opperates, but said Nexus is, at least for now, no longer under his control.
Mordin is Rahandir´s undead, not Aridon, he has free will and could do it on his own.
Or even following Rahandirs orders.


This leaves me thinking it could be one of the two factions Demons or The sisters.
There is also the faction from espionage that was quantifying the others faction military powers. Maybe they need the dominion weakened (or even gone) before entering the stage.

With other nexus resisting and betraying him... it would only make sense for him to create loyal new nexus to spearhead final war. Maybe it is time to create Dominion nexus. Since Aridon was present watching Rangul and Ephrog nuked... it makes sense he got possession of their bodies for possible use. Maybe it is time. Perhaps we can see family reunion if that path is taken.
Oh, i really like that one. Since during the war the Kezzar nexus was born, maybe more can be created now.
Imagine redfist undead soldiers fighting alongside orcs, because as we know the Redfist (not even the faction) can catch a break.

Also isn´t Zelech out there? Maybe that magic fire arrow was from him in order to prevent the orcs from gaining more allies and power. It could be Kenos too.
 

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It just occured to me that I forgot to attach the changelog to the latest newspost - it mostly
affects the secret boss fight.
I have added it to the newspost now and am adding it here as well:

Prelude Four:
  • Removed two out of three Amulets of Spell Shield from the secret fight
  • Removed Bladestorm from the secret fight
  • No more Crown of Kings drop from the secret fight
 
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Hmm...Hmmmm, Alchemists and Flamestrike. "Following the end of the war, he developed a great dislike for Bloodclaw and his nation of Zyainor." Harmos?

And once again Sabaton rocks! You can tell by the choice of "Sarajevo" the creator is a true fan of the band. Well greetings from the Sarajevo Shar! Hope you come to visit us some day (I promise nobody is gonna shoot you)
 
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It just occured to me that I forgot to attach the changelog to the latest newspost - it mostly
affects the secret boss fight.
I have added it to the newspost now and am adding it here as well:

Prelude Four:
  • Removed two out of three Amulets of Spell Shield from the secret fight
  • Removed Bladestorm from the secret fight
  • No more Crown of Kings drop from the secret fight

But if we fought it before the change we get to keep the crown corect? We faced the monsters in their final forms I suppose we should get the reward... your choice of course but karskin should always drop a crown its funnier and more rewarding this way plus it will add the ilogical and comical situation of where the crowns come from ...maybe a secret ending when veln gets 6 crowns of kings from karskin and starts a secret 1v1 with Karskin and when he wins it turns out that he was shar all along and a secret map when we get to play with your character againts all the scraped ideeas from the books that didnt make it to the canon version. It would be fun as the ultimate easteregg .....I might have gone a little insane there though :)))
 

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But if we fought it before the change we get to keep the crown corect?
Yes.
It was only there because some people had not gotten the crown in Ch1 due to a bug in the initial release.
Your only reward for this fight is the cage content, whether you like it or not. :p
 
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There is also the faction from espionage that was quantifying the others faction military powers. Maybe they need the dominion weakened (or even gone) before entering the stage.
Could be them, but i like super sure its the sisters, they are the only ones who havent gotten their spotlight besides that intro cinematic, they urged the undead to go away from Aridon, they still got Kernos who still might be welcomed into the Dwarf realms (after all he is an imperial and dwarfs held imperials in high regard) they might have an alliance with the Ejara nexus who has been waging war against the dwarfs since god knows when, it kinda all makes sense, create a Crisis in Zyainor, Weaken the dwarfs by making them going against Dominion, get rid of Vanessa since she is the one keeping the humans in check on the Dominion and you got mayhem all over the realms, with mayhem all over the realms Aridon Brian and maybe Largoth might have to get invovled and then they can make their powerplay of getting rid of the brothers.
 
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Could be them, but i like super sure its the sisters, they are the only ones who havent gotten their spotlight besides that intro cinematic, they urged the undead to go away from Aridon, they still got Kernos who still might be welcomed into the Dwarf realms (after all he is an imperial and dwarfs held imperials in high regard) they might have an alliance with the Ejara nexus who has been waging war against the dwarfs since god knows when, it kinda all makes sense, create a Crisis in Zyainor, Weaken the dwarfs by making them going against Dominion, get rid of Vanessa since she is the one keeping the humans in check on the Dominion and you got mayhem all over the realms, with mayhem all over the realms Aridon Brian and maybe Largoth might have to get invovled and then they can make their powerplay of getting rid of the brothers.
I also believe the Circle is the one responsible for the same reassons you mentioned . The only thing is , I don t think they aim to weaken the dwarfs , they simply wanted to weaken the Dominion and the dwarfs were among the only option to do so .It s also very possible the circle is allied with Rahandir ( Cora worked with the undead all this time so is very possible Rahandir might be part of it ) and that would give us Mordin who would for sure convince Zarin to such action .
 
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Yes.
It was only there because some people had not gotten the crown in Ch1 due to a bug in the initial release.
Your only reward for this fight is the cage content, whether you like it or not. :p
I bought reforged yesterday so I had the start the campaign over as I was unable to carry the progress over. still 2 crowns were present(1 inchapter one and another in the secret fight). So either it is still bugged or the changelog you presented is supposed to discourage the non night elf fans that even if they dont like the content of the cage would do the secret misions for that kind of phat lewt. Either way I Considered it necesarry to inform you in case you really want that second crown gone. When I downloaded the map after buying reforged I took the most recent version of the map so the change was already loged and should have been implemented by then.
 
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What about zoia ?
From her lore sheet:

'"longing for an enemy to invade - such as the remaining Kingdoms in the west or the Tribal Dominion in the south. While she still considers the Demons a threat, she does not believe that an invasion of their lands would have any chance of success after what had happened last time. ""

Inara
""she has only hinted that she can make others do what she wants one way or another. ""

-Maybe the captain was a sleep agents ? Then suicide.

-Bribe the captain ? Then got assassinated.

everything will be revealed by hortnog i guess since he will do everything to avenge vanessa.
 
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What about zoia ?
But why would she murder the heir apperent of the kingdom she belongs too, I am pretty sure Gardon would help her invade the Dominion if she told him she has a sleeper agent which owns almost half of the Dominions land and is the second in command to the ruler of the Dominion, I dont think she would need to murder her future king in order to convince the current king to assisst her in invading the Dominion especially considering that Brian is residing within the dominion and Gardon and Brian aren't on the best of terms.

The only reason for her to hatch such a scheme is if she is planning to be her own independant and not be a vassal of Gardon in that case i can see her being behind the whole debacle BUT does she have enough manpower both warriors and spies to have hached such schemes the Wolf regimet got all but vanquished on the Salrian front. 20 years is a long time and she might have recouped the losses but we end up on the other qustion is she able to produce more human/wolf hybrids so far away from the Empire.
 
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I'll always want to know more about the Dominion. Who are the representatives of each race? Did they have a secondary leader in case anything happens? (For example if the Salrians have a successor of Vanessa, or who are the new leaders of the ogres and bearmen)
Also, I'll want to learn more of the GG. I prefer them over Zyainor.
 
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Personnally, I want to see more of the splintered undead. The nexus I most want to see more of is the Ejara Nexus, because all the others will probably remain set in their ways (like, Meya will still try to get power and... "fun", the Zirr will still guard knowledge and so on...) but the Ejara feel like they could actually change in their ways. Especially with a leader that comes from one of their "slave races". They don't seem "passionate" about enslaving like the Zirr is about knowledge or the Scarec is about murder, but they also don't feel as power hungry as the Rohir, so... without Aridon's control, their practices seem purposeless.
Honestly, I would really like to see Haran come back as a ruler that loves his people but is ready to sacrifice parts of them for their survival (with maybe his first failure against Aridon and his time as an undead urging him more towards caution).

Other than that, I would really like to see Zyainor and the Dominion, not necessarily their armies or their leaders, but mainly their lands, the different people they have and how they do things. Like the issues that Praxeus' group hinted at in the dominion, or the different opinion the subjects of Zyainor might have about dragons or necromancy or the system as a whole (plus, a few levels of knocking down dissenters is always appreciated).
 
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I wanna know about everything that happened over the last 20 years with every faction. Zyainor has more of this since the stories were made, while the rest weren't given much, especially the Dominion and Demons. I would love to know more about Zyainor when the time the Empire attacks them, but beyond that, I wanna know more about the rest. How did Cora meet with Kenos, what's Aedale doing, what about Orie, is Zelech still on the hunt, how about the Moghtar? There are so many I wanna know about.
 
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I wanna know more about the Demonic legions, we have barely any information about them in comparison to the rest. Also the undead nexus seems quite more interesting right now. Ornasion is gone, Pentiss too (and now she can kill anyone without an issue), Haran could get a rematch against aridon´s forces (and i hope to have more ejara gameplay pls), Cora and the Zirr, Meya with the Rohir, the twins of the scarec nexus, Rahandir and his faction, Kazardius joining Zyainor to fight Aridon... and we have the Bonelord planning his revenge too.
The only one that seems loyal could be Keera, but you know, maybe she joins Rahandir too in order to help Salana.
Edoarus is making in army to fight the dominion so forget about him.

Personally i want to see more about Harmos as Grandmaster of the order of the flame.
 
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I wanna know more about the Demonic legions, we have barely any information about them in comparison to the rest. Also the undead nexus seems quite more interesting right now. Ornasion is gone, Pentiss too (and now she can kill anyone without an issue), Haran could get a rematch against aridon´s forces (and i hope to have more ejara gameplay pls), Cora and the Zirr, Meya with the Rohir, the twins of the scarec nexus, Rahandir and his faction, Kazardius joining Zyainor to fight Aridon... and we have the Bonelord planning his revenge too.
The only one that seems loyal could be Keera, but you know, maybe she joins Rahandir too in order to help Salana.
Edoarus is making in army to fight the dominion so forget about him.

Personally i want to see more about Harmos as Grandmaster of the order of the flame.
Those under Aridon like Kazardius have a very low possibility of betrayal since he's part of the Splecir Nexus. As for the other nexus, as long as they Aridon doesn't get those cores, then they will be against him.
 
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Those under Aridon like Kazardius have a very low possibility of betrayal since he's part of the Splecir Nexus. As for the other nexus, as long as they Aridon doesn't get those cores, then they will be against him.
Kazardius said during the true story that if his mind was still his own he would have a word with aridon so this will likely be freed at some much later and decisive point in the story. Freeing the speclir wont be as easy as with other undead because they exist to serve but it must happen at some point Kazardius cant end up destroyimg zyanor after all he said and done for it.
 
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Those under Aridon like Kazardius have a very low possibility of betrayal since he's part of the Splecir Nexus. As for the other nexus, as long as they Aridon doesn't get those cores, then they will be against him.
Kazardius said during the true story that if his mind was still his own he would have a word with aridon so this will likely be freed at some much later and decisive point in the story. Freeing the speclir wont be as easy as with other undead because they exist to serve but it must happen at some point Kazardius cant end up destroyimg zyanor after all he said and done for it.
Also in the new Undead mission, Valdeer said that they don´t feel connected anymore to Aridon, i suppose that means that the Splicer follow Aridon on their own will and not because they are forced too. But Kazardius was rather mad because they needed to kill The last Zyainor Heir, Vail.

Not sure, maybe Kazardius will join Gardon instead of Aridon.
 
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Also in the new Undead mission, Valdeer said that they don´t feel connected anymore to Aridon, i suppose that means that the Splicer follow Aridon on their own will and not because they are forced too. But Kazardius was rather mad because they needed to kill The last Zyainor Heir, Vail.

Not sure, maybe Kazardius will join Gardon instead of Aridon.
I mean, after all the lies Aridon told to Kazardius and his troops, the last thing he'll do is return to serve him. Probably he and his troops will appear when either Vail or her children are in true danger because of the Splecir or any of Aridon's loyalist.
Who knows, maybe stab Aridon in the back could be a great atone for the Zyaise undead.
 
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