New Content Discussion [SPOILER]

[Boriss]

Ok, then.
And finally 3 last questions
1. Did Flammedus, Okri or Brockta the stomper survive after chapter 12?
2. Did Lady Meya survive after chapter 12?
3. If Aridon was to break his promise to Brian will he make him heavily regret it?

1. The purificator actually does not hurt Brockta, dunno why
2. Probably, if the bone lords remained revivable then so did Meya
3. Brian can just tell everyone a couple of things about Aridon and that would make Aridon´s manipulations that much harder. So, yeah.

 

[Championfighter25]

1. The purificator actually does not hurt Brockta, dunno why

Maybe the game glitched at the last second and his attack damage became his armour.

 

[Boriss]

Maybe the game glitched at the last second and his attack damage became his armour.

Yeah, every single time
P.S. :How do you like my motivational quote for the day?

About that rumor that Shar is gonna work on first books before launching any second book project, how do you feel Shar? In need of a break I assume?

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Brockta has more than 8k HP, so he survives the blast. But both he and the fortress he guards suffered a lot last time I nuked them.

 

[Boriss]

Brockta has more than 8k HP, so he survives the blast. But both he and the fortress he guards suffered a lot last time I nuked them.

Bone lords have 10k. They dont survive.

 

[renegade]

Pretty late question, but how do you exactly save papa Redfist? I didn't consume the shard and the demon eye, yet Lisara still forces Aedale to kill her father

 

[Daffa]

Make sure you run the first map (Prelude) beforehand and confirm your choice is properly set. I manage to spare papa Redfist twice with Aedale never absorbing the shards.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Reopened.

 

[Daffa]

Just gonna say, we got a man in his fury on the loose. That's all.

On a more serious note, I must say these new characters slowly being mentioned are pretty interesting.

 

[Championfighter25]

Although we know how this is going to end, well canonically at least, I'm sure there are still a lot of surprises in between and our choices may give us some interesting, even if non-canon endings.
And speaking of surprises, Brian having another apprentice, who I guess is Amari, given her spells and small hints we got in the intro, was pretty cool. Him also being the reason as to why the orcs are currently alive right now, I consider both a good and a bad thing. It's good to have them in the story, of course, but giving them so many chances, I kind of dislike.
Anyway, Rangul has completely lost his mind and is better off dead. With his mentality, the orcs won't survive even 1 more year. Amari is the exact opposite and likes to think ahead of time, which I like. She would certainly be a nice leader for a larger group of orcs, maybe even an empress of many races, one day.
I don't really have much of an opinion on Grella and Oneeye yet. They seem like cool characters. I just hope the latter realizes that Rangul will run the orc race into the ground and chose the correct side before it's too late.

 

[LISBOAH]

Here is my review of the new demo

Choices:
-I did not kill the Broodmother
-I did not attack the Karskin
-I attacked the Moghtar
-Vanessa convinced
-We atacked the undead rather than the humans
-I did not kill Progaderas
-Salomar didn't survive

Prologue:
"...intrigued me...
-Lol. The orcs only manage to survive either because of major forces or because the others don't see them as a threat. If Brian hadn't saved them, their race would have been extinct by now. Not that it was a bad thing.
-Wait, so is Brian Brian or is he the Master of Shadows inside Brian's body?
-Rangul is a stubborn old mule. He has to be dealt with if the orcs are to both survive and evolve.

Chapter One
-How are there still Ironfist, unless their disbandment only occured in the Human Book. And they are already allied with the Black Dragons officialy?
-The Ironfist appalled by the orcs interefering in someone else's business. Now that is laughable.
-I like Amari's comebacks! She has more personality than the other orcs and is already my favourite orc
-I kind of wished that Okri said something to her mount while facing the felhounds
-I gave the troll a quick death.

Chapter Two
-Wow. Rangul is truly a stupid leader. He decides to take most of the warriors, while leaving the children and women practically defenseless. I hope Oneye decides to join Amari mentioning Rangul's stupidity
-Again. Who are the savage beasts that burn and kill everything on sight?
-And the Redifst decide to do the cliché villain move of letting their enemies flee


Interlude
"milord" not "mylord"
-Lol. Lerrig accusing the orcs of ruining the war. Being a bit hypocritical aren't we?
-The captain is right. Lerrig is an incompetent that can't understand the meaning of priority

 

[Shar Dundred]

Although we know how this is going to end, well canonically at least, I'm sure there are still a lot of surprises in between and our choices may give us some interesting, even if non-canon endings.

I got a few tricks up my sleeve. (And no, I do not consider retconning lore a trick, I am better than that)

-Wait, so is Brian Brian or is he the Master of Shadows inside Brian's body?

It is complicated.

-How are there still Ironfist, unless their disbandment only occured in the Human Book. And they are already allied with the Black Dragons officialy?

The events differ, but this is no offical alliance or anything yet.
This takes place before Blen, Harmos, Gardon and co arrive in the capital of Kerrel.

-I like Amari's comebacks! She has more personality than the other orcs and is already my favourite orc

Spoiler alert (but not really) : You will see more of her!

-Again. Who are the savage beasts that burn and kill everything on sight?

Both?

"milord" not "mylord"

Both works, actually.

-Lol. Lerrig accusing the orcs of ruining the war. Being a bit hypocritical aren't we?

He is, yes.

-The captain is right. Lerrig is an incompetent that can't understand the meaning of priority

True, but disobeying would mean certain death, so poor fella.

 

[renegade]

Cant just stay away can you? (sarcasm)
It's wonderful you cant stay away from making LoA again, makes the wait for Reforged bearable with you providing new campaigns.

Nothing much to say about the new demo, seeing as most of them are already said anyway.

P.S. Orc civil war when?

 

[Shar Dundred]

P.S. Orc civil war when?

Will take a while.

 

[DwarfBoy]

I know the books are their own separate canons, but based on what was seen in he Humans Book 2, it seems like the races would come together as a unified force. I'm guessing it's going to be late in the campaign, or is the cannon not a thing in the Orc's book?

 

[Shar Dundred]

The cannon exists, but unlike the Humans the Orcs have other more pressing problems than the Demon invasion right now.

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Shar back at it again with "I will stop claiming to quit the project, at least not until it is done".
Well, you are a strange man indeed.
Just a small question: any precautions regarding the version of the game? Can I run it safely on the latest patch?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Shar back at it again with "I will stop claiming to quit the project, at least not until it is done".
Well, you are a strange man indeed.

Still trying to figure out if it is dedication or stubborness that makes me do this.

Just a small question: any precautions regarding the version of the game? Can I run it safely on the latest patch?

Like the Second Human Book, I have created this demo with 1.29.2 so I do not know if there
are any bugs with later versions.
I know I should probably update, but I am not really a fan of the current 1.30.X versions, but I
am not aware of issues caused by the newer versions yet

 

[Kasrkin]

Just a small question: any precautions regarding the version of the game? Can I run it safely on the latest patch?

I've been testing on 1.30.1 and haven't seen any problems so far. When we get further along I'll see about updating to latest. Maybe first macro or halfway point.

 

[OblivionDeadra]

except I can't skip the end of interlude and just got stuck for idk a minute long 0_o

It only happen when you a latest patch version like 1.30.1 something

 

[Shar Dundred]

At what point of the interlude?

 

[bdbxwz]

I can't wait to see more about Brockta the Stomper, the setting of this ogre sounds very interesting. Are all the ogres in your story two heads? Also, just for curiousity, wil we see any race familiar to night elf in warcraft canon in the future of this series? Or the elf we see now is all we will get?(can't help to ask this since the voice of female orcs are actually the voice of nigth elf.lol) But regardless of your reply, you don't need to rush your work, a story such as this is worth waiting for.

 

[Shar Dundred]

There will be no race familiar to the night elves in any way at all.
About the ogres... That is a story for another time.

 

[OblivionDeadra]

At what point of the interlude?

At the end of the interlude cutscene where the usual ends with black screen fade in and then I was expecting another chapter but nope. It didn't it stay to be black screen and I can't skip it

Just like I said it only happen in the 1.30.1 patch version.

 

[Kasrkin]

Tried it again and the interlude still runs normally, apologies I don't know what's causing your issue.

 

[Hardric62]

Would it be possible to have advices for Chapter Two of the Second Ork Book? Because Holy Ducking Ghost, it is hard. Navigating through the ducal troops is quite the slog, Crusaders tanking almost everything while their critical hits and the Hunters slaughter your troops, and it's not helped by the fact getting the orc troops to join you is quite difficult: First cluster 'activates' while being still out of sight and dealing with the Redfist troops leaving to the plazza, meaning they're often dead by the time I join them. And without them, managing to get the second cluster is pretty much impossible.

The margin for mistakes also seems almost inexistant: I ended up using whosyourdaddy to get the entirety of this second cluster, only adding Oneye and deactivating the cheat for second part of the mission, but even by kitting units the most carefully I could, what was left of my army pretty much melted when I ended up facing the Merciless Officier keeping the key.

Is there something I'm missing here, or am I simply that much of a bad player?

Edit: PS: I was playing at Normal Difficulty.

 

[Kasrkin]

You're not meant to get all of the orcs out of the pitched battles, my advice is simply to run in there with Oneeye's ghost walk and pull everyone out as soon as control switches over to you. You will still lose some of the units but not all of them as they run from the fight, sacrificing a few so all of the Crusader units don't pulled along as you retreat is vital. That first cluster has the only healing rune in the map so decide when you want to use it.

It's annoying as hell, maybe, but pulling pieces of larger crusader groups away will help you deal with them. There isn't much room for error because the orcs have already lost and there is no where left to go that doesn't involve getting killed.

I usually end up making three control groups: one for melee, one for ranged, and one for melee eventually becoming the wounded group. Rotating units in and out of one and three as my orcs scrape by to kill a superior force.

 

[OblivionDeadra]

Would it be possible to have advices for Chapter Two of the Second Ork Book? Because Holy Ducking Ghost, it is hard. Navigating through the ducal troops is quite the slog, Crusaders tanking almost everything while their critical hits and the Hunters slaughter your troops, and it's not helped by the fact getting the orc troops to join you is quite difficult: First cluster 'activates' while being still out of sight and dealing with the Redfist troops leaving to the plazza, meaning they're often dead by the time I join them. And without them, managing to get the second cluster is pretty much impossible.

The margin for mistakes also seems almost inexistant: I ended up using whosyourdaddy to get the entirety of this second cluster, only adding Oneye and deactivating the cheat for second part of the mission, but even by kitting units the most carefully I could, what was left of my army pretty much melted when I ended up facing the Merciless Officier keeping the key.

Is there something I'm missing here, or am I simply that much of a bad player?

Edit: PS: I was playing at Normal Difficulty.

Oh boy the second chapter Its something. And ohhh boy even in hard mode you will get rekt by the redfist army o_0 like damm I have to deal a small portion of the redfist troops and try to rescue them only see them well all dead.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Can't wait to see the main bulk of the army, eh?

 

[OblivionDeadra]

Can't wait to see the main bulk of the army, eh?

Oh heaven no. I'm not ready to face the entire army of the redfist. Unless there is some kind of juicy rewards then Im half prepare.

 

[Championfighter25]

As if being in a constant state of war against an entire kingdom wasn't already enough. Soon, the empire, the dwarves, mercenaries hired from the empire and even more people who we pissed off will join the party. Well, at least the undead haven't joined in destroying us yet.

 

[Hardric62]

Thanks for the advice Kasrkin.
Also, concerning your story... Redfist seems to take the Orc extermination and Rangul's in particular as really personal...
Random wild crazy shot in the dark, any chance the guy could have a daughter who might have disappeared after an orc raid led by a certain Rangul, several years ago?

 

[Daffa]

Pretty sure that's not the case I think. I'm more into Human First Book Chapter Three.

 

[Championfighter25]

Also, concerning your story... Redfist seems to take the Orc extermination and Rangul's in particular as really personal...
Random wild crazy shot in the dark, any chance the guy could have a daughter who might have disappeared after an orc raid led by a certain Rangul, several years ago?

Most likely.
I remember Shar mentioning a while back that a player led action turned Redfist into the person he is today. We still don't know what that action was, but I'm fairly certain it's the event you mentioned above.

 

[Hardric62]

Most likely.
I remember Shar mentioning a while back that a player led action turned Redfist into the person he is today. We still don't know what that action was, but I'm fairly certain it's the event you mentioned above.

If that is indeed how it hapened, I'd actually pay to see the two of them meeting each other after all these years...

 

[Shar Dundred]

Got some good news and some bad news for you (related to gameplay, NOT to the project itself,
that is going fine!)

Good news: Thanks to @sagi5533, the creator of the Arthas campaign Redfist has received a new unit,
a cavalry unit, that is replacing the merciless as an elite unit. It is weaker than the Merciless and
therefore will be used in larger amount instead. I have replaced two of the three Merciless in Ch. Two.

Bad news: Merciless have been buffed. X)

Edit: A news post will follow within the next few days.

 

[LISBOAH]

Got some good news and some bad news for you (related to gameplay, NOT to the project itself,
that is going fine!)

Good news: Thanks to @sagi5533, the creator of the Arthas campaign Redfist has received a new unit,
a cavalry unit, that is replacing the merciless as an elite unit. It is weaker than the Merciless and
therefore will be used in larger amount instead. I have replaced two of the three Merciless in Ch. Two.

Bad news: Merciless have been buffed. X)

No matter, they are still bugs whose only possible fate is to be exterminated

 

[Shar Dundred]

When did you become such a orc fan,@LISBOAH, that you want them to crush Redfist?

 

[LISBOAH]

When did you become such a orc fan,@LISBOAH, that you want them to crush Redfist?

I am not an orc fan, except the Cliffhunter Clan.

But if there is something I hate more than orcs are humans that hate orcs and yet act exactly like them, but still think they are good people. The orcs at least have the excuse of having the tradition of pillaging and raiding. The humans don't have such excuse.

 

[Championfighter25]

Redfist has received a new unit,
a cavalry unit, that is replacing the merciless as an elite unit.

That doesn't really sound like good news.
People that like to have a hard time may view them as such though.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I am not an orc fan, except the Cliffhunter Clan.

But if there is something I hate more than orcs are humans that hate orcs and yet act exactly like them, but still think they are good people. The orcs at least have the excuse of having the tradition of pillaging and raiding. The humans don't have such excuse.

I knew you would like the smart(er) Orcs!
To be fair, Redfist and his soldiers do not really care about being "good", they are rather... bloodthirsty I would say.

That doesn't really sound like good news.
People that like to have a hard time may view them as such though.

The new elite unit is a good bit weaker than the Merciless.

 

[Kasrkin]

I am not an orc fan, except the Cliffhunter Clan.

But if there is something I hate more than orcs are humans that hate orcs and yet act exactly like them, but still think they are good people. The orcs at least have the excuse of having the tradition of pillaging and raiding. The humans don't have such excuse.

Like Shar said they don't care about being good or being perceived as good, for many of those broken souls this will probably be the first nights they've gone without nightmares in years.

 

[LISBOAH]

To be fair, Redfist and his soldiers do not really care about being "good", they are rather... bloodthirsty I would say.

Like Shar said they don't care about being good or being perceived as good, for many of those broken souls this will probably be the first nights they've gone without nightmares in years.

I don't know if this makes them more likeable or more detestable to me.

A solider's duty is to kill the nation's enemies, and I might accept and even support if they follow the belief that the enemies should be crushed in a way to prevent them from rising up again in the future to become a threat.
However, I think absolute genocide is too much. It is a total waste of effort, resources and lives that could be used for better purposes.

And the fact that they actually enjoy it really makes me wonder if Duke Redfist and his followers should be allowed to have such high-ranked places in the Imperial hierarchy if they are clearly deranged.

 

[Championfighter25]

A solider's duty is to kill the nation's enemies, and I might accept and even support if they follow the belief that the enemies should be crushed in a way to prevent them from rising up again in the future to become a threat.
However, I think absolute genocide is too much. It is a total waste of effort, resources and lives that could be used for better purposes.

Sadly, the Orcs' stubbornness makes absolute genocide the only solution to preventing them from ever rising again.
The 4 year war the Tribal Dominion had with the Undead proves that. Even after all those lives lost they eventually recovered and continued their raids and attacks.

And the fact that they actually enjoy it really makes me wonder if Duke Redfist and his followers should be allowed to have such high-ranked places in the Imperial hierarchy if they are clearly deranged.

The empire doesn't seem to care, as long as you've proven to be competent.

 

[sagi5533]

Got some good news and some bad news for you (related to gameplay, NOT to the project itself,
that is going fine!)

Good news: Thanks to @sagi5533, the creator of the Arthas campaign Redfist has received a new unit,
a cavalry unit, that is replacing the merciless as an elite unit. It is weaker than the Merciless and
therefore will be used in larger amount instead. I have replaced two of the three Merciless in Ch. Two.

Bad news: Merciless have been buffed. X)

Edit: A news post will follow within the next few days.

Cheers mate glad to help ^^

 

[renegade]

Bad news: Merciless have been buffed. X)

As if highly trained, hard hitting fanatical zealous orc exterminators weren't bad enough from the foot soldier alone, lets buff the semi-leaders! Nothing could get much worse for the Orcs! (this is really just a bait; make them even more challenging)

 

[Shar Dundred]

Not to mention that you haven't really met their casters yet.
Well, as Orcs at least.

 

[Verb8im]

@Shar Dundred in the changelog for .20 of the Second Orc Book, you said three playable chapters were released, but in the chapter list of fixes, it says only chapter 3 and chapter 4 were released?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Thanks for pointing that out, I have fixed the changelog. Chapter Five has been added too of course.

 

[Kasrkin]

I apologize for the poor state chapter four was released in, that was my fault. You guys should never have seen an obvious bug like the repeating quest completion if I had done my job right. I had a severe case of tunnel vision when testing four and tried to impress my own ideas onto Shar as wrong as they were.

I would like to ask how long three and four took you guys, it's the beginning of the macro missions and we might need to make adjustments.