Naga Projects

[Silverfish423]

Yup. That could be a very easy fix, no biggy.
Since the ability to "slow" enemies is considered a buff, you could apply the "slow" buff to the thorns aura ability (along with the thorns aura buff). That way it will act as 2 abilities in one!

 

[Misha]

anyone making a sea-urchin naga?

 

[Silverfish423]

That wasn't on the list of Naga Anomalies was it?

 

[sacridshadow]

lol no. But all it reminds me of is a pufferfish. To accomplsh that, give a naga spikes. Since it's not underwater, it can't expand. (pufferfish suck in water to make themselves bigger and more dangerous to their attackers.)

 

[waveseeker]

It could suck in air... haha

 

[Misha]

not so serious are we?

 

[waveseeker]

no, i'm not kidding. It could inhale a large amount of air, and doing that puts a thorns effect on him, AND shoots a few spines out around him.

 

[Sky Green]

Nice idea. But how would you make the animation for that?

 

[sacridshadow]

Okay, for the spines sticking out or shooting from the anomaly, it wouldn't be air. The muscles would contract, creating a high pressure that, once released, would fire off the spines. Of course, that'd leave the anomaly open to future attacks without his spines.

As for the animation, you can use fan of knives. All you'd need to do is change the knives into spikes from the orc burrow or the Crypt Lord. Their may be spme projectiles that could work too.

 

[Misha]

I'm sure the spines would need a custom effect AND a custom missile

I approve of the sea urchin/pufferfish :3
but.. who will make it?

 

[sacridshadow]

Var says you could replace the fins with spines. Would anyone be willing to do that? Seems like an easy job.

 

[varsaigen]

Yes. It is easy to do. Simply remove the central fin, smooth out the back, and add spines of a matching color (look at the spines of the Nerubian Cryptlord for an idea). It would look very odd with spines, and a central fin together. The spines could possibly go as far as the head, perhaps become smaller the further up the head, and down the tail they go. Simply put, it'd be a model edit.

 

[Misha]

oh, and what about the animation where he puffs up? how would one do that?

 

[varsaigen]

Well, that would have to be custom. Lets say... his shoulder area. More specifically, the shoulder blades. A custom skeleton, with transfered anims, and special anims (Defense?) where the area of his shoulderblades baloon outwards. The spined would soread to different angles. It'd look ugly, but it would work for the pufferfish defense anim. I'm not good with the animating, but it is something that I could do. I just don't know how smoothly I could merge it into the other naga anims for a (Anim_Defense) anim.

 

[Misha]

there's a way to just inflate myrmidon's chest area, but.. that would inflate his back as well, while the pufferfish only inflates the stomach.. :/

something tells me that either really heavy edits to myrmidon's bone structure or a completely new bone/anim-set would do..

 

[Silverfish423]

The animation for the spell would be easy. As someone said, use Fan of Knives. But instead of a custom model or crypt lord spikes as replacement for the knives, use the quillbeast projectile. its a small spike, perfect imo

And I don't see a problem with the stomach/back inflating at the same time. Just put some spines in the front to compensate for that.

And yes, the Naga would be "defenseless" without his spines. Just put a cooldown on his Spike spell

 

[sacridshadow]

I mentioned the Fan of Knives.
Additionally, we can look at the starcraft Hydralisk for inspiration in the creation of the spiky naga thing. lol They had a nice spike launching system.

 

[Misha]

That reminds me.. i have a half-done hunterkiller hydralisk model just gathering dust

 

[waveseeker]

with the spines, why don't we give it a 15-30 second CD, but the longer you don't use it, the harder it hits. (with a respective cap of course...) so, you use it, and can use it again for a low amount of dmg in 15 seconds, or wait, and it will do more...

 

[sacridshadow]

Sounds like you want to do some serious coding. lol

 

[Lore-Wolf]

meh indeed XD

 

[Misha]

nothing against coding, but if it works

 

[waveseeker]

I (personally) have no idea how to make half of my ideas, i'm just here to get ideas...
What would be a Very interesting unit is one they can't be around another of it's type... like a Siamese fighting fish (or Betta fish), where if it's around another of it's type, it fights it to the death.

 

[sacridshadow]

Wow. That'd be... interesting. Or maybe a unit that spawns in pairs, like the zergling. Maybe have Watery minions or something of the sort. lol That's always fun.

 

[varsaigen]

lol smaller naga spawn that are like zerglings? Oo So... if they get modified, do they become swimming banelings?

 

[Misha]

I'm not so sure about naga living bombs

 

[sacridshadow]

lol they could be filled with a volotile form of magic, where all they have to do is pull the trigger, and they explode. additionally, they could be cheap units with very little health. Meaning you can have a small army, but they can still be easily destroyed. One shot would work. It'd be a new tactic in warcraft, and doesn't spend all your money.

 

[VeljkoM]

And for lore explanation you could make those units be murlocs or similar. Small slaves, its not like something naga will care for wasting.

 

[varsaigen]

squid-like creatures. Spawn in the hundreds from their egg clusters, and are like biological grenades So, for the building, I can imagine something like the altar, but with a massive cloud of eggs latched on. (not the nerubian-like eggs, but frog-like. Bubbles)

 

[sacridshadow]

Or the naga discovered an explosive substance and attached them to their murloc slaves as an upgrade. It could be like the wips' antimagic ability, that kills them off. But in this case, it just hurts everything, builidngs and other units included. I think it should be a third tier ability.

 

[VeljkoM]

Third tier for what you can buy at any tier in Goblin Observatory? Besides they would be more useful in second tier to sabotage enemies economy and bases.

 

[Misha]

..talking is nice, but i'd like to see a map with all these ideas in..

 

[VeljkoM]

Well didn't Chaos says this is talk only? But I do agree someone should start at least.

 

[Chaos.]

The idea was simply to get the ideas flowing and get this group active again. (it worked)
If someone wants to start on a map then that would be great. Unfortunatly the only thing that I'm good at is terraining. I have no triggering skills. So that someone wouldn't be me.

I kinda got lost during this 20 page discussion of anamolies. What are we deciding for them? (so that I can add it to my list of accepted concepts)

 

[Lore-Wolf]

I was kinda trying to start for a map but i'm not good with triggers either. i know some.. but only for cinematic and such. or small fun things.

but first we need a base map though.

 

[VeljkoM]

Meh I usually just uh take hive spells and if possible modify them... chain-hex is awesome.

 

[Misha]

.. to selfishly go offtopic, Go and comment a bit on my newest image here, people :/

To get back ontopic, we could.. maybe hire some of the good mappers to peace together the race from our discussion. but i'm unsure how to get the mapper to do it. xD

 

[VeljkoM]

Drag them from sc2...

 

[sacridshadow]

I'm actually pretty good with plots, but I think mine would be a little too complicated and somewhat impossible for a warcraft 3 campaign. I wouldn't even know what to do to create some of my ideas. lol But if we really do want to create a campaign, it'd be important for everyone to know what each other can do. lol

And Misha, tha'ts why you bribe them. Give them an internets or... ponies. Everyone likes ponies now days. XD

 

[Misha]

and what to bribe with, sacrid? hot E-air?

 

[Lore-Wolf]

ok ill give it a shot.. but do we want to make a campaign or just melee map with naga race?

 

[Misha]

Just a naga race. when we have it all sorted out, then we'll think about a campaign..

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea first hard stuff. So...where can we see list of accepted concepts?

 

[sacridshadow]

Actually, it may be easier to come up with an idea for a plot. By making a plot, we can build the naga race around it, instead of trying to piece it together, then realising that the plot doesn't fit the race.

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh that also means opposite that we could build up the plot based of race. Though I kinda don't see how can a race ruin campaign that much.

 

[sacridshadow]

I didn't say ruin. If you don't have an idea for a plot, having a bunch of units could really make it difficult and confusing. You may have to create or recreate units, change their abilities, change the concept of the plot, maps, etc.

 

[Misha]

..sacrid's right, but i'd rather first see an actual playable race here. I mean, come on, I'm about the only guy who makes something Naga-ish atm, and I'm 1/4-active

 

[Chaos.]

Sacrid - Storyline (and Var? He seems to be good at that plots aswell.)
Me and Lore-Wolf - Terrain/cinematics
VeljkoM - Trigger/object editor
Misha - Models.
Sounds pretty good to me.

VeljkoM, when I was working on the elemental race a century ago, I got Pharoah_ to do some triggering for me. He always seems willing to help if you need any.

 

[Chaos.]

Accepted Concepts
Unit - Adherent - Worker (gold/build)
Ability - Call forth - Build
Ability - Mend - Repair

Building - Slave Wagon - Mobile turtle, trains slaves, lumber drop off point
Unit - Slave - Worker (lumber)

Unit - Arbalester - Basic ranged unit, big crossbow
Unit - Anomally - (role undecided, I think, lol)
Unit - Couatl - Light air
Unit - Myrmidon - Advanced melee, upgrades to Royal Guard

Building - No name - mobile turtle tower type thing

 

[Lore-Wolf]

well for only seeing the race as a build up, we could pick an existing map. one of the frozen throne map for instance.