Naga Projects

[Silverfish423]

Yeah. There should be a mainly offensive spellcaster and then a support spellcaster (that has a healing spell)
But what do you guys think of that spell?

 

[Misha]

sounds good

 

[sacridshadow]

Maybe they could also have a healing well of their own. Since they were Night elves, I can imagine their structures bieng similar in style, and wells seem to be popular healing spots. lol

 

[Misha]

neat idea to imbue the coral bed with healing, I think corrupted moon well ability would be cool

 

[sacridshadow]

The Satyrs had a corrupted moon well.

 

[VeljkoM]

Couldn't we make it more unique somehow? Like maybe at least change the mana regeneration from night to day cuz naga don't really follow Elune anymore. Or maybe to buff the naga attack (naga steroids anyone?)

 

[Misha]

lol Veljo xD

well the coral bed should have something special to help naga troops while in the base..

 

[Silverfish423]

Maybe when built near water the moon well ability could be activated, regardless of day or night.

what would be really cool is if the Naga had something similar to blight, except that their buildings produced a sort of "shallow water" texture and the buildings (except main town hall) had to be built in this shallow water texture

 

[sacridshadow]

Coral only grows in water, and only from the carcasses of certain sea life, microbes or something. I don't remember. So I suggest that it can only be built in water, which means it can't be spammed to inifinity like the moon wells can. That'll force a different type of strategy than the other races.

 

[varsaigen]

yes. small, small animals who die on top of one another. Each structure of coral is actually a mass grave. Imagine that: society admires mass graves. XD society finds it pretty! XD

 

[VeljkoM]

Well since coral is uh food production building its kinda not smart to limit it really (plus naga buildings are filled with water). Also not all maps have water so naga would be useless on any map that isn't water based. We can't really obey that much trivial things like laws of physics, biology...

But shallow water idea does sound nice if someone has idea how to make it?

 

[Misha]

well.. in warcraft, you could edit blight, but that would just be it, the "shallow water" would still turn trees into dead ones :/

I'm not a fan of that "shallow water" :/

 

[VeljkoM]

Well would replace undead blight and uh...Water that rots trees is weird.

 

[Misha]

indeed

 

[Krasus]

and how about instead of water, they use a fog? or it could be a defensive ability for the buildings (like the orcs have)

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh so slaves would enter coral and throw spears from it? Uh I think think that healing or buffing ability is better. Best would be to be unique and not rip off from original races.

 

[Misha]

I see this doesn't work either.. so let's leave coral beds for now.. '~'

 

[waveseeker]

hi there. :]

I am currently trying to start a big murloc mostly underwater campaign, I was wondering if anyone here wanted to provide ideas, help, or just curious as to what it's like. I have so many ideas for it, i just don't know how to correctly bring it to life, (it's also 1-2 players...)

but in the end, the story line could also make for an interesting movie, i could just make it one huge cinematic,

all in all, i am afraid i just can't do it on my own, so if someone would like to take my idea, and make it their own, that might work, (just ask me first ofc) and if someone wanted to help me make this, that would be great.

oh, and my specialty is 2D art, pretty much anything from textures, to icons, to bigger pictures.
(note, i made this post in a new thread stupidly, if and i have no clue if i can even delete it... so if someone knows how, please remove it, and if not... then... sorry...)

 

[Misha]

no biggie, mistakes happen, i'm sure someone will delete that discussion, eventually

 

[waveseeker]

Oh great... xP By the may Misha, I am a big fan of your work here on the hive, In the map i mentioned, i use (i think) three of your models. Your really good.

 

[Chaos.]

Discussion deleted.
Welcome to the group!

First thing, the only way that you can make a campaign multiplayer is if you make each chapter a seperate map. If you do that, it also limits the filesize. You're better off to just stick with single player.

We'll need a bit more info, in order to be able to give ideas. Two things are needed: a general summary of the story line and a list of features.

 

[waveseeker]

Uh, General storyline,

you are a murloc living on an island, a huge storm hits, you wake up on a strange islands beach. naga find you, and think your an escaped slave, they get their leader, she says your a spy, so you are taken prisoner and tortured, you then find out that one of your buddies from the island was also taken prisoner, you two decide you are going to escape, then on the day of your execution, sea giants attack, you escape while the naga are distracted by the sea giants.
after you escape, a few weeks later, you're at your new home, under the sea.
then, you and your new teammate have to go around getting people to help you kill the naga, you have to find them first, then convince them to help you, I already made one, where you go to an island, and find out that turtles and Makrura/crabs are fighting with each other, you get to help one side, and the other joins the other team. The more races you get to join your cause, the more units you can select.
)

 

[waveseeker]

Part two
the maps main features are:
Two units at all times, units all have Strength, stealth or intelligence.
you can switch your units for others in you new underwater sanctuary, but can only have two at a time.
you can use armor and weapons that you can see on your units,
Its fairly free roaming.

its also strategy, you can do tank and healer, two rogues, hunters, i plan on adding lots of spec'ing options.


(also, as an unrelated topic, i have been doing a bit of dabbling on the "water plague", I think i have figures it out... the only current problems are cliffs. )

 

[varsaigen]

So they think you are an escapee, and a spy... and sea giants conveniantly attack? Also, Makrura fighting wild turtles... I know makrura are sentient, but their attempts at group building have been kinda negated by Naga making them their cattle. But what would be the point of the makrura fighting turtles?

Finally, how did a murloc manage to get swept across the ocean to another island, AND be with a buddy? Also, how do they find this "sanctuary"?

finally, "Water Plague". Wouldn't that plague everything on the map? It IS spread through the water...

 

[waveseeker]

No, they (at first) think you escaped, then the naga leader (of that group) says you are a spy, because you don't look like the other slaves, so she has you tortured, after a few days, you will not admit to anything she wants to hear, so she has you executed.
Yes, the sea giants DO conveniently attack, But they do so every week, so it's not uncommon.
The Makrura and turtles are fighting over land/food, the turtles want to eat them, the makrura want the land. You help one of them, and the other joins the naga.
the two murlocs were hiding in the same place when the storm hit, and the storm was a naga casting a large spell, that caused crazy winds to fly toward the casting naga, thats how you both ended up on the same island (also, the two island are fairly close to each other.) The "sanctuary" they found was one they had found over a few weeks of searching. not hard to find a place like that with a few weeks, the ocean is a big place, AND "sanctuary" is just what they call it.

 

[waveseeker]

the "water plague" was worded incorrectly, i meant to say "shallow water" it's an idea going around for the naga tech tree i assume... It's not for my game, i was just trying to help out. it's supposidly built like the undead's blight, or the Zerg's (from SC) Creep. and i was saying i figured out most of it.

And Finally. You said Finally twice.

 

[Silverfish423]

Yeah, we could use triggers or something in order to figure out the Shallow Water. And no, it would not have to create rotten trees and this is a texture (just as Blight is a texture). It would not matter if you are in a map with shallow water or not because it is not related to what this idea is concerned with. It would create a shallow water texture.
And honestly, not using it would make it seem just like other races that DONT use blight. And the texture would be different that Blight, so it'd be unique to the player. Plus, it would give the player the feeling that they are dependent on water, just as the Undead are on Blight.
We want to give players an experience greatly unique and naga themed.

 

[waveseeker]

Well, CAN we have two blights? I have no idea how, if we make the normal blight into water, then the undead will use water (i think at least..)
I tried making my own using http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=82133 As the water, i threw it in obj editor, and made it a flying unit, height of 5, and set up triggers so that whenever i made a naga temple, the ground all around it sinks a little, and changes texture (the texture change is so "you can't built there" can't build anywhere without the texture... The best i could being the amateur i am.

 

[Chaos.]

If this "shallow water" works effectively, then I am all for it. I would love to see that in our naga race.
+1 vote for that.

 

[Misha]

that sounds cool, but.. what about if one decides to build a temple of tides on a small hill?

 

[Lore-Wolf]

that would indeed be awkward. unless its special water XD

 

[Chaos.]

I believe that you can lower terrain with triggers. So small hills shouldn't be a big problem.

 

[Misha]

I'm unsure of giving the naga such "terraforming" ability

 

[sacridshadow]

what about if one decides to build a temple of tides on a small hill?

Then that hill will flood the world and the naga will rule forever. XD

I wonder exactly how it would effect blight. It I recall correctly, the undead blight goes over the normal texture, even in shallow water. Would that mean that the undead and naga have to share ground then?

 

[Misha]

you have abilities that remove blight (night elven ancients)

 

[VeljkoM]

Lots of things can remove blight as long as blight source is gone.

Meh "if" it works is big if but I am sure I have seen a map with more then 1 blight. But anyway buildings only recognize buildable, ground/air/see/amphibious pathable and unblighted in object editor, there are separate options that set "placement requirement and "required" terrain for buildings. In undead case their buildings are not allowed to be made in unblighted. Anyway if we want this it will be have to be some serious work.

 

[waveseeker]

Vel is right, it will take a lot of work... If you want to fiddle with what i have, heres a DL link,
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=km9ake
Its not done, at all, there are bugs, and i am only pasting it so you guys can see my idea... also it needs a new model for the texture to deal with hills... (are there triggers/scripts that will bend a model if it is higher above ground?)

 

[varsaigen]

or, you could mimic the properties of the undead townhall, where it does not require blight, but can be built on it.

 

[Misha]

i wonder if this.. "shallow water" is a bit of a too big "bite" for us to chew.. Oo

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, it was an interesting idea. We don't HAVE to use it. I suggest we focus on the units again, as buildings are based around the units they'll create.

 

[Misha]

I agree.. let's (again, lol) try to figure out anomalies (units)

My suggestion was that they're one heavy melee unit (or maybe ranged naga) that have the same stats and usefulness, except one thing, and that would be a random passive ability (poison attack, hardened skin, magic resistance..) OR something as simple as a fire (or any) orb ability

 

[waveseeker]

That sounds good... Maybe you can sacrifice them for something too... like building Coral, seeing as coral is made of dead things, and that would be how you built it, by sacrificing them.

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh that would be weird and kinda bad. I mean corals are food production building here so we need them from the start and since you will need many of them you would genocide your own army. Also so far Anomalies were decided to be either tier heavy unit or maybe hero or at least special unit and you really can't afford to waste units like that.

And isn't coral made out of dead coral mostly?

 

[waveseeker]

I don't mean food buildings, i mean other coral buildings lets say, to make a goldmine, The unit must sacrefice itself, (just an example, i know we have a GM in mind already...) I was just thinking of them as fairly cheap and expendable units, The naga are known for treating small infantry as "expendable" and if they are expendable, then it adds a whole new way to play the race, and sets them apart from all the others.

 

[VeljkoM]

They see their slaves as expendable. I kinda don't think sacrifices are useful in wc3 gameplay (maybe in Armies of Exigo where population is way higher). Besides we currently only have 1 coral based building and it would still make no sense for coral to need sacrifice.

 

[Chaos.]

Same concept as the wisps. A unit sacrifices itself to produce a building. It would be an interesting idea but I prefer the build system that we have, already. (more of an undead summon type ability)

 

[sacridshadow]

And isn't coral made out of dead coral mostly?

it's dead microscopic creatures, actually. What you said conflicts with itself. lol

As for the night elf buildings, the wisps are basically dead night elves, or tree spirits. They're full of nature magic, so having a spirit become an ent shouldn't be that hard for them. From semi living spirit to semi living tree. The naga buildings aren't alive.

 

[Misha]

lol and naga despise night elves

 

[sacridshadow]

That doesn't have to mean anything to how they build things you know. lol

 

[VeljkoM]

Especially since both are related. Though I doubt naga would have ancients...coral ancient maybe?