Naga Projects

[Silverfish423]

No no, no coral ancients, haha.
But I say we should go back to the old drawing board on the Anomalies, since that was brought up again.

I like my original plan of a unit that has a random factor (which we decided would be an ability). I personally dislike the Hero idea for this:
1) It is predictable. There is no sense of "random" and "unique" involved with it, as anomalies should be

Anyways, here are some ideas for passive abilities that would not change a whole what different Anomaly you used (ie, if u kill it, u are wasting gold/time)

Poison Spines (2dmg/sec poison attack)
Hardened Carapace (ignores additional 5% damage from all attacks)
Inkjets (5 second Wind Walk, no bonus damage)
Intimidating Frills (on cast, reduces enemy attack damage by 5%)

Theres some ideas to fiddle with. And as you may tell, I am rooting for a melee unit xD

 

[Misha]

Yes, and maybe we can have ranged anomalies too :3

 

[varsaigen]

sounds like a hydralisk.

Sea Urchin form? "Spray of needles"?

 

[Misha]

IF someone makes a model of it?

we're mainly guided by the models of naga we have here, and those we can find elsewhere

I'm having a bit oddly-animated naga brute model completed, just.. it isn't here. it's in warcraft unlimited..

he could be one cool tanking anomaly with four arms :3 (and a passive smash ability?)

 

[sacridshadow]

I still like the idea of the anomalies having seperate abilities. They're anomalies, meaning they will never be the same as another. Maybe we can have random stats too. That'll really help keep people on their toes.

 

[Misha]

I'd have even HP and stats, so we don't end up with anomalies with less hitpoints or so..

 

[VeljkoM]

We must think of the gameplay so too random can hurt the delicate balance.

 

[sacridshadow]

Eh, some randomness might actually do some good. Everyone's got such locked0in strategies, they can't learn to adapt. When they're forced to, they get slaughtered. It'll do some good to keep players on their toes. Trust me.

 

[Silverfish423]

Well, if a different model, ability, and possible health/armor changes (etc, 1 less armor, 50 less health, 1 more damage, 1.55 attk speed as opposed to 1.5 attk speed), small changes such as that can keep an Anomaly looking unique, yet still serving a unique purpose among it's fellow Anomalies.

 

[Chaos.]

I'm still against it, but it would appear that the majority wants the slight randomness of the Anomally. So let's just settle on it.
These random abilities should portray the concept of the model. So we need concepts for the 3(?) different versions of the Anomaly. Suggestions? What sea creatures should these models be based off of?

 

[sacridshadow]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Naga_anomaly
"Naga are testament to the power of arcane energy gone awry.While the Well was destroyed, its power was not — it left behind residual energies that wrought changes on the newly-born naga. The mutations these energies bring do not manifest the same way in all naga; while they share many characteristics, each naga develops different mutations. Often these mutations are cosmetic: A naga might have soft spines sprouting from his shoulders or swirls of indigo in his skin. In some naga, the mutations prove useful: Some grow to monstrous size, while others are infused with spellcasting power. These mutations are fairly common among naga — indeed, many naga women are born with four arms."
It appears all naga are mutations. Some are just more common than others.

 

[Misha]

well.. I'd suggest a naga deep stalker and Naj'entus models of mine

dunno about other anomaly models.. Oo

 

[varsaigen]

well, in the books, when the Highborne loyal to Queen Azshara were drowning, they heard an old, ancient voice promise them a new life, and revenge, offering to change their forms. They accepted, not wanting to die, and thus mutated into the monstrous Naga. Azshara is the only one known to have octopi-like mutations.

 

[Silverfish423]

I would agree that the Naj'entus model is a must. I would agree that Naga Deep Stalker could be a possibility. My 3rd idea would be one that has a heavy octopus/squid influence

 

[Misha]

but, who will make a squid/octopi/naga-thing? Ouo

 

[sacridshadow]

Someone who had a lot of time and was very good. There's nothing too hard about animating the model. It's just those eight freaking tentacle legs! How do you animate something with that many legs?

I guess you'd have to find a video or two showing moving octupus out of water.

 

[varsaigen]

that's my main problem. animating them so they make a good crawl, swim, everything :/ And, I have to make them appear graceful when they move. D: It's what has kept me from animating the model in the first place D:

 

[waveseeker]

If anyone would like to try out my new map, (still in beta, but i think i have all the bugs brushed out...) i made a forum for it here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...a-testers-murloc-campaign-192152/#post1876559 (it's murlocs, and not naga, but i thought it would be fine to post here, because the next level in the campaign has naga in it. lots of naga, and a few of your guy's models and textures )

 

[Misha]

lol sacrid, octopi.. well the crawl, very slowly, if not at all above water, they don't have bones and their weight above water is what keeps them down and in the water, alive

 

[sacridshadow]

lol I know. The naga should be able to go "on land or sea". As great as a naga octopus would be, they're no meant for land, even if they have powerful muscles.

 

[waveseeker]

It could be a naga with octopi parts... Naga ARE mutations, it would look like a mixture between a draenei, and a naga. xP

 

[Sky Green]

Uhm...why draenei and I think it would be cool if nagas can take enemy units and use some MaelStrom(ish) energy to transform them to nagas ( but bcuz originally nagas where n. elves the non-night elven nagas would look different)

 

[varsaigen]

actually, the high elves were not purple like their night elf peasantry. The high elves that escaped renamed themselves blood elves about the time of the Alliance. So no, there would be no difference if it was a night elf or high elf that was transformed into a Naga.

In the game. the excuse of their transformation was the massive release of energy from the Well of Eternity. But that might just be night elf speculation, as only the naga know that there was a voice, and that the voice converted them. A voice of an old god.

I don't understand the draenei comment myself. :/

 

[sacridshadow]

lol You're thinking of evolution Skygreen.

 

[Sky Green]

Oh yea

 

[Misha]

Rofl..

But we still don't know which Naga anomaly to add along these already said
and yea.. we're limited by either what we make or what we can find.

 

[waveseeker]

A mixture between Draenei and naga was a joke, because Draenei are said to look like they have an octopus on their faces.

if you made a octopus, you could make it look like the fleshbeasts from WoW, (http://www.wowwiki.com/Fleshbeast_(mob)) and use similar animations,

 

[Misha]

mind linking a picture here? i don't see anything, and i visited many times that page :/

 

[waveseeker]

oops...

http://www.wowwiki.com/Fleshbeast_(mob) is the correct one, for some reason, the [ /url was in the wrong order . you can google flesh beast though.

 

[varsaigen]

on land, it'd likely be the same. My attempts at such an animation were horrible. But I think Azshara's movements wouldn't be so quick and whip-like, like the flashbeasts, but rather, more graceful, mimicing those of an octopus.

The problem is, we cannot use this mutation for anyone other than Azshara, because she is a one of a kind being.

 

[Silverfish423]

We are not exactly sure what Azshara looks like. She hasn't been created by Blizzard yet
Although, if not an octopus, then lets see.....
Na'jentus....Deep-Sea Stalker...
First is sort of more of a hard hitting, takes hits type. Deep-Sea Stalker is more stealtht...eats you in one bite...
The third should be....a mixture between Naga and an electric eel!! It would have electric animations along its body and when it attacks, small electric effects spark from the hands n such. That would be very cool i think!

 

[Misha]

lol electricity and water?

 

[sacridshadow]

Actually, that could work. Electric eels hold a charge in their bodies, and the naga would only have to use magic to channel it. The third unit could be a disruptor. We'd still have tje naga sea witch as the ranged archer, so all sides would be covered then.

 

[varsaigen]

Taken from the final paragraph before the "Biography" section
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When the black waters of the Well of Eternity poured into the palace, she created a magical shield that would protect her and the remaining Highborne from drowning. It was at that time that a voice echoed in her head, whispering plans for an escape: "There is a way...you will become more than you ever were...we can help...You will be more than you have ever been...and when the time comes, for what we grant you...you will serve us well..." Her spell collapsed but as the Well filled her lungs she did not drown. She instead expanded with hate and rage, becoming a horrific yet beautiful monstrosity, reflecting the wickedness and malice that had always hidden within her core.

Here, we see what happened to her.

 

[varsaigen]

And from the "Modern Day" section...

She has embraced the power of the naga, grown in size, and possesses many tentacles bedecked in jewels and items of power.

In her new form, Azshara stands over twenty feet in height and moves her scale covered body on five slithering, octopus-like tentacles. Four arms now extend from the torso, with two hands holding javelins of dark polished wood and gold-leafed tips. Like her Sea Witches, Azshara's head is crowned by writhing serpents. Despite her monstrosity, her face still possesses the same elven beauty she always had.

 

[varsaigen]

This is the picture that represents her in the article. It matches perfectly.

 

[sacridshadow]

The only problem is that the picture shows her having four tentacles, instead of the five described

 

[Misha]

I'm.... against Azshara in this race thingie :/ just.. too complicated

and sacrid.. Not really fond of the electric naga :/

 

[waveseeker]

Electric eel sounds really cool. He could have neon lights going from his tail to his head. with a moving texture of a brighter dot sliding up it

 

[Silverfish423]

Misha, the electric eel was my idea but why are you not fond of it?

Varsaigen, Azshara has not been released in WoW or future WC3 games yet. Her appearance cannot be determined yet.

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, that great picture is in the concepts section done by one of the Blizzard staff members, so if that can't count, I don't know what will. It's unlikely that they'll ever release herin Wow or the warcraft 4 game (mentioned as an idea at Blizzcon a few years ago.)

 

[Misha]

hm.. lill logic, people? Electricity seeks to ground in whatever's the nearest, and in water, it is even worse.. so.. every electrical attack would damage all around, and not just enemy units, but your own/friendly as well

 

[VeljkoM]

Friendly fire gets whole new meaning.

 

[sacridshadow]

So it'll be AOE spells that can damage those around it. Obviously, golems would be immune, since they're made of stone.)

 

[Misha]

urr....

 

[varsaigen]

and there was a Sea WItch in Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos. (possibly a banshee of a dead naga Sea Witch?) She controlled an army of murlocs, and demanded sacrifices as their goddess of the tides. Those murlocs were clever enough to be able to construct Seige Golems. So golems in naga ranks isn't impossible Besides, they would still have their "elven magics". And, having delved so far into the arcane as they had, they surely would know how to construct golems

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, since Blizzard didn't have naga at the time, that sea witch was probably more of a water spirit. As a powerful spirit, she'd have a lot of knowledge, including how to build golems.

 

[waveseeker]

Misha, with an electric eel it's sort of different, it's not like they cast a bolt of lightning to smite his foes, he (i am fairly sure) swims right to his food, and releases the electricity. what we could do in a naga, is make a normal melee fighter, who has a "charge" ability, it basically charges his batteries, then he gets a new melee ability. and once he uses it, ZAP.

 

[varsaigen]

She was a naga, as shown here

She was a powerful naga spellcaster who had used magic to gain the murloc followers.

Huh. She returns in Cataclysm

On the official Cataclysm site, it is mentioned that there is a sea witch on the Echo Isles.[5] Questing in the zone reveals that this is Zar'jira, the same Sea Witch who appeared in Warcraft III, has come back to claim her revenge. The fight to vanquish her involves Vol'jin and multiple "phases".

 

[sacridshadow]

Alternatively, we could just have a melee warrior with a passive shock ability. Basically, it'd be like the thorns ability, damaging everything that touches it, and has a chance of slowing the enemy. For that, we'd have to change the slow special effects to the Purge effect, just to make it look right.