Naga Projects

[VeljkoM]

Why not just throw the trident?

Anyway what about lumber system? I kinda like idea of turtle slave wagon.

 

[Chaos.]

But I wantz mah hammer. lol

It is a good idea. My thoughts on that: Have the turtle be a mobile building. Add some cages on its back. Give the turtle an ability similar to the ancients where he can burrow into the ground but with the cages still showing above ground. Then it will serve as a drop off for lumber as well as a slave production building. Buildings like the ancients need to be stationary to produce, this will be the same thing.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea I agree. Just to be faster then the regular ancient. Maybe it should have economy upgrades for wood or something. Or maybe a "call to arms" for slaves so it would have some self-defense.

 

[Chaos.]

Exactly.

btw, what are your opinions on the names

Adherent - (meaning supporter or follower) Worker unit of the naga race.
-Call Forth - summon ability for naga, similar effect as summon
-Mend - same as repair/renew/restore

 

[VeljkoM]

Well guess that would work. Its original. So...

Slave or Drudge (I like slave better but it is overused)-Wood harvester

 

[Chaos.]

It is over used but it is without a doubt the most fitting for that unit. We can make an exception for the odd things. Atleast for now. Next.

 

[sacridshadow]

For lumber and/or gold harvesters, we could use golems. In the last mission of the Reign of Chaos orc tutorial intro, the sea witch and her murlocs used golems as seige units. I think we could build upon that idea, even though other clans never used them. Maybe the naga absorbed the golems into their ranks, or learned how to create them.

 

[Misha]

ahh.. so.. naga humanoids, riight... give the myrmidon a pick and send it to the mine

really, naga are slavers, or highly adept in magic so.. figure one, i suggested the sorceror, you just have to figure out how you want him to harvest gold and lumber

 

[VeljkoM]

Whats bad with idea of sorcerer to gather gold and slave to gather wood. Its both magic and slavery.

I kinda can't imagine golem harvester really. Guess I am racist but when I think of golem I think of smashing only.

 

[Misha]

well i for one want sorceror gathering gold and slave gathering lumber Oo but chaos wants a naga-only tech-tree (or i heard it like that)

 

[VeljkoM]

Well this is group project so majority counts really. To be fair there is no real pure race since seeing same unit with different over and over again is rather annoying. There will be non-naga just in lesser amount I guess. The current game race has like just 2 naga units (3 if we count royal guard) and naga hero.

 

[Chaos.]

Naga only, no. Naga majority, yes. A few subraces are fine, but I don't want it to turn out like the wc3 one that only has 3 naga units and the majority of sub species. If a sub race is the best representation for a specific position then we will add them in. For example a murgul slave would, without a doubt, be the best option for the lumber harvester. A naga simply wouldn't fit that role well. Therefore the slave gets in. However if we were to choose between a naga warrior and a murgul reaver for basic melee then I would pick the naga over the reaver, hands down. The naga warrior actually suits its position so the sub race is out. That's what I mean by I've been saying.

I am definetely for this resource gathering system. (Adherent as building/gold and slave as lumber harvester.) And it would appear that you two want it as well so it is settled. Next task. Keep the suggestions flowing.

 

[sacridshadow]

well, he didn't say it had to be ONLY naga. It allows for more possibilities this way. ANd I like the idea of using golems. Yeah, they're built for smashing, but in the water, you won't be able to do that easily.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea but battle will more likely be on surface (not sure what would harvest underwater, corals?). Besides its a shame to use killing machines for labor. I would rather see them as either defense mechanism or some siege-assault unit. That's my opinion

 

[Misha]

one interesting thing.. Naga defense building is a sub-race as well.. a sea serpent or whatever it is.. shouldn't it be replaced by something naga made? or is it too iconic to be removed?

 

[Chaos.]

Personally I don't like the golem units. They seem to be more of an extra that we added in just because we can. However if, later on, we decide that a golem would fit a certain role better then any naga unit could, we will add them in. I just can't see that being the case. Hold on to that idea though it still isn't excluded.

I was never really a fan of that tower, and I don't picture it at all being a symbolic structure of the naga. My vote goes to replacing it. Any one else?

 

[VeljkoM]

I kinda liked the idea of naga tower its just the shape of the building that annoyed me.

 

[sacridshadow]

The problem with the Naga puddle towers is that all yo have to do is build a group huddled to gether and they'll do a great job defending your base. They're somewhat hard to kill.

For the golems, I suggested gold mines because sometimes, those things collapse, and no naga would be injured. Now, that wouldn't happen in game, but in WOW, there are different types of golems. They're not all seige units.

 

[Silverfish423]

As I have said before, there should be Anomalies. But what would be cool, is that the Anomaly trained would be randomly generated.
For example....
If you were to click on the Anomaly to train, it would take 20 seconds to train. Once it pops out, it could be 1 of 6 different types of anomalies. That would be really neat and would give some great randomness/diversity to the Naga race I think.

 

[Misha]

Chaos, i want silverfish's anomaly idea incorporated

 

[VeljkoM]

Well it would certainly be surprising. But how would it be exactly useful? Would it be 6 types of units with same statistics but random abilities or 6 completely different units or 6 same units with just different model? What if you get unit that doesn't fit in your strategy?

 

[Lore-Wolf]

yes, I thought about the same idea for making such a thing for a race like an 'egg' which could spawn random units out of three or something like that. but if its a unit you do not need then its like. kill it off and try again. if we wish to do something like that then they should be like equal. but different. and thats hard XD

 

[Misha]

well.. six (or four?) units with same statistics but a random passive ability would be good, that way it'll be just ability (and model) that is random?

EDIT: of course, an anomaly should be a lill more expensive

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea maybe it would be the 3rd tier melee unit?

 

[Chaos.]

The tech tree should include this.

Worker (2, if we decide to do the adherent/slave idea)
Basic melee unit - (footman, grunt, ghoul)
Basic ranged unit - (archer, rifleman, headhunter)
mechanical siege unit - (steam engine, demolisher)
non mechanical siege unit - (raider, mortar team)
Advanced melee unit - (knight, tauren, abom)
3 spellcasters - (priest, sorceress, spell breaker)
Light air unit - (dragon hawk, gargoyle, bat rider)
Heavy air unit - (Gryphon rider, frost wyrm, chimaera)
And if we are not doing the adherent/slave system (which I hope we do) then one extra unit can be added. (12 is the maximum)

So keep this in mind when thinking of units.

 

[Misha]

Veljo, that's good, yes. an anomaly should be a 3-tier melee

 

[Lore-Wolf]

what is an anomaly?

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh why 2 siege units really? Rider isn't exactly just siege he is kinda anti-air more with nets and siege attack deal extra against unarmored like spellcasters and certain air units. Siege tank is also with upgrade anti-air unit (probably is least used units really).

Also 3rd spellcaster isn't necessary a caster. Spellbreaker is kinda anti-caster, dryad (unless by 3 caster you consider fairy dragon who also is anti-caster) and undead destroyer (upgraded O.statue) are also anri-casters.

Naga anomaly is a naga with strange mutation like crab hand, tentacles or any sea creature part not normally seen on regular naga. They are usualy most respected naga.

 

[Chaos.]

Of course certain units can have multiple roles and most of the units do. Those are just the main roles. As we are finalizing our race we will determine what it is lacking (more anti air for example) and then add those roles to the existing. Good point with the caster. So we need two caster and one anti-caster.

Naj'entus for example is a naga anomally.

 

[sacridshadow]

But what would be cool, is that the Anomaly trained would be randomly generated.

Kind of like in Starcraft 2 where one of the Protoss units has two forms, and either one can appear when you train it.

What if you get unit that doesn't fit in your strategy?

Then you kill it and try again. XD

Naga anomaly is a naga with strange mutation like crab hand, tentacles or any sea creature part not normally seen on regular naga. They are usualy most respected naga.

lol Look at Chaos' avatar. That's one right there. XD I see Chaos already mentioned him by name.

 

[VeljkoM]

Actually it more reminds me of Warlords 3 where Empire hires mercenary unit. You can buy one of 3 options (each more expensive but higher tier units) and you can literally get anything.

And maybe add then uh sell ability so you wouldn't waste cash?

 

[sacridshadow]

Buying is always more expensive in games.

 

[Misha]

duh.. how can you waste cash on a unit that has a good damage and armor, and JUST happens to have a random passive buff and a different model >.<

 

[Lore-Wolf]

yeah we really need to get out of the idea: "just kill it"
and I figured naj'entus was one when veljkom explained it :3
and what kind of passive buffs are you thinking off?
if its like one had stun other has evasion other has critical strike (for example) then there would be some reasons to p revere one or two kinds.

Maybe its an idea to have like one unit (the base unit) and then make it able to use a few upgrades which it can 'mutate' in. but then.. the random part is gone.

 

[sacridshadow]

well, you throw it against the enemy until it dies in your next attaack. the only reason I actually KILL my units would be if they got stuck on a square between a rock and a few burrows or towers. I'd use a zeppelin, but not all maps have the goblin building that offers them, and I'm not always near one to get a zeppelin. XD

Well, there's a good idea. Having a naga mutate. It could be a form of magic a new spellcaster could use. Casting that spell on an ally unit will mutate it into a new form fro whatever type of unit it is. So if a Myrmidon is mutated, they may only get a spitting poison ability, instead of a major physical change. THat'd be kind of cool. Obviously, not all mutationgs are physical to the point of a changed body.

 

[Animalpower]

Is this about map of vashj'ir or nazjatar since it's underwater?

 

[Misha]

I am not so sure about magically mutating them.. what's wrong with natural-born anomalies

EDIT: Animalpower, no, this is naga race in general

 

[Krasus]

hey, how are you people?

I've been making this conversion of the orc race into a naga one... it's unfinished (it lacks some icons or better buildings, spells, etc) but all units had been replaced.

could some of you guys take a look at my map and tell me what you think?

http://www.4shared.com/file/bSTR-9ty/UMN.html

 

[sacridshadow]

Misha, what do you mean by animal power? By the magical mutations, I would think they'd study other forms of magic, more... demonic forms, since they lost their NE magic. The magical mutations spell(s) would have to be an upgade, kind of like the Troll Berserker upgrade. That changed them physically.

 

[Misha]

sacrid.. /facepalm
I was speaking to the user @ Animalpower

 

[Chaos.]

@Krasus, first of all, translate what you got into english. Most people here don't speak spanish. (luckily I do)
I really don't have time to actually test it right now, but one thing that I can say is that Altar de la fuerza, really doesn't suit naga. Will test ingame later to give more feedback.

 

[Misha]

fuerza? what is that? :3

anyway.. are we all on the same footing on the naga anomalies? you train one, and get a random one, with just a different model and minor passive ability each time (like war drums, poison attack, lightning attack, etc..

 

[Chaos.]

Fuerza = Force, strength, might.

I really like the idea of it. (the naga anomalies that is). +1 vote for that.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

+1 here.
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+2

 

[VeljkoM]

+1

...also killing part was referring about the case if it was completely random unit.

And about Spanish Naga. they are quite same as orc with just name and look change.

 

[Chaos.]

Settled. Next

Basic ranged unit suggestion: Arbalestor, a naga with an epic looking crossbow type weapon.

 

[Misha]

hmm.. would require a custom model, but it is a great idea, Chaos

 

[VeljkoM]

Well better then naga archer. And what should he have as an ability?

 

[Chaos.]

Arbalestor
Aimed shot - Arbalestor remains immobile and attack rate is reduced but range and damage increase. Very effective too keep them far behind the line of battle or to take out a tower. The ideolegy behind it is that when a unit takes his time and carefully calculates his shot, he will be able to hit his target at a further distance then he could if he were rapidly shooting.

Good enough?
Not happy with the name of the ability, but I'll think of something sooner or later.

 

[VeljkoM]

Precise Shot would be more accurate. So will this be activated when ever he stands or it will be like some "battle stance" setting?