Naga Fans

[Misha]

he's around i think..

 

[Chaos.]

He is.

 

[Misha]

XD LupusChaos in fabula

 

[Lore-Wolf]

I see, So no things currently active with? what units are still required for the race?

 

[Misha]

mhm.. arbalester..?

again.. he just needs changed attack animations.. the rest would be mine to build

 

[VeljkoM]

Can't someone use gnoll assassin animation (just remove the part when he uses mouth to grab a bolt). I know its easier said then done but there must be one guy out there?

 

[Misha]

sadly, nope..

say.. if you veljo try to learn editing anims... well..

spomenik cu ti napravim xDD (would be very helpful)

 

[VeljkoM]

Ugh I only found tutorial to make ball bounce...and it killed me alone.

By the way how many models are waiting animator?

 

[Misha]

for me, only kinda two.. since i animate things myself.. but can't edit already made anims..

 

[sacridshadow]

Though I can't animate, I still need to make my naga death knight. lol Been focused on so many other things.

 

[Misha]

coolio, my NDK character model is kinda going together

 

[VeljkoM]

Can't wait to see new look of Death Knigh....so whose DK will be used?

 

[Misha]

both? sacrid sure has a different idea, while mine would be kind-off a 'melee game' hero

as for the character one, he's more WoW related, so i doubt i'd used it in here

 

[VeljkoM]

Oh the third DK confused me xD

 

[Misha]

xP i can be confusing

 

[Dynamiczx]

Speaking of naga projects i am wondering how would a naga citizen look like...you know, a simple citizen, maybe builder or something, like the peasant or peon...

 

[Misha]

naga builders are slaves, or summoners

and i doubt they have citizens

 

[VeljkoM]

Then how to you cal naga living in Nazzjatar that aren't military?

 

[Misha]

naga

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, from what we've talked about, I don't think we'd be seeing Nazzjatar. Our idea revolved more around a third, mysterious continent covered in a thick fog that keeps it hidden. Because it's a new world to explore, we can do whatever we want to the land and its people. I know I have plenty of ideas that keep the player from always fighting.

The main antagonists so far seem to be a Horde raiding party that got stranded while on its way to the Eastern Kingdoms (while heading west from Kalimdor) and a group of death knights and necromancers called the Frozen Hand, who is led by my death knight. The Frozen Hand will be very ambitious, but knowing what classes they have in their ranks, I'm sure you can guess what they do. Don't want to give everything away yet. lol

 

[VeljkoM]

Well the first part was said long time ago duo to inability to make a good story in known Azeroth and it is awesome to finally hear the second part (I at least didn't know). I just don't see who mentioned visiting Naz'jatar.

 

[sacridshadow]

Then how to you cal naga living in Nazzjatar that aren't military?

that is in reply to the citizens comment. For te purpose of this plot, I don't think we'd be seeing much of a naga society. The Frozen Hand will have some form, though they may be more of a cult or secret order. I'll see if I can work on the plot soon. I'm a little bit busy at the moment.

 

[VeljkoM]

I didn't know citizen talk was connected to campaign.

Well take your time not like race is finished or terrain started.

 

[sacridshadow]

lol The only citizens I plan on having in the campaing would be the residents of the continent. Though I could start making sample missions for the plot right now, I kind of want the race tree to be finished so I know where I need to focuse the missions. Certain units may have abilities that change how a mission is played or what that mission is. I don't want to rush the campaing either, but I feel like if I don't do something to help it, it'll drop dead and we'll never finish.

Though I can say that the two campaigns on Hive's front page did make me want to terrain again, and gave me some good ideas. Hopefully, our campaign will be featured there too. I know that's ambitious, but that'd be awesome.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I am sure first mission and cinematic don't need teach tree. And glad to hear your boost of moral.

 

[Kaos]

I agree there aren't likely to be peasant Naga. The organization of Naga seems to be somewhere between a clan and a noble house. They do tend to see themselves as superior and with slaves and magic you wouldn't need much of a Naga underclass to support their society.

Magic also probably blurs the line between military and non-military, as might their culture's unified sense of purpose in vengeance and expanding Naga power.

Also, your continent would be a 5th one, not 3rd. Azeroth, Kalimdor, Northrend and Undermine each lie on one side of the Maelstrom. Just saying

I am definitely curious about this Frozen Hand.

 

[VeljkoM]

Peasant and civilian aren't exactly same though naga are unlikely to have peasants as you say.

Undermine is city on island Kezan (since WoW). Though the 4th continent wold be Pandaria.

Well...help me finish the race so we can start on campaign and we might know more about him =P

 

[Misha]

well i guess lumber gatherers are done with? eh?

 

[VeljkoM]

Nope. Balance is needed as naga now get 4 extra free workers. Plus want to allow slaves to do other things to beside lumber harvest.

 

[Misha]

well that's one custom ability wasted.. Tank's not gonna be happy..

 

[sacridshadow]

The tank's not gonna be happy with what?

 

[VeljkoM]

Well he said some modifications are possible but building making isn't one of them. I am sure burrow ability and repairing could be used somehow. Ability stays but I am still unsure why was it hard to tell slaves to right click on trees.

 

[Kaos]

I agree. I have the turtles as root buildings work for non-AI. I like the ability to control them, but I think the auto-production in Tank's system is better. It just allows for more new play possibilities than simply changing up the abilities of lumber mills and peasants.

Ideally I'd like to see the slaves produced under Tank's system but no orders given, except.

I think Slaves should only be able to return lumber to THEIR turtle and this should be the only time orders are overridden and it will allow us to keep slaves near their spawn turtle if we do remove the auto-orders. That is the real problem with free orders, loosing track of which slaves will die if which turtle does.

 

[VeljkoM]

Did Ai start making turtle to replace the not rooted turtle? He sometimes does that.

 

[Kaos]

My AI broke and so I haven't seen how it handles that. If so it might be something the AMAI system could handle better.

 

[sacridshadow]

Then I guess it'd make sense to save the "battle" and watch the AI do its thing. onestly, I think the slaves should be able to go to any turtle, as peasants do the same with lumbermills. Assuming you can get thqat to work, of course.

 

[Kaos]

That would be easier than matching them. My issue is as follows:

If they are unmatched, but each turtle produce 4 slaves that dies if it does and it will replace if they die. Then if those slaves get mixed up with other turtle's slaves it will be very hard to know which slaves are tied to which turtle.

 

[Misha]

hm.. how about you leave the slaves to slaver away and give the adherent the ability to mend the damaged structures with arcane magic

 

[VeljkoM]

He dos that with repair, unless you really want to make repair work on mana too. And thanks to Kaos they should have different version of summon buildings.

 

[Kaos]

Well the difference is Adherants can do a form of rush building. So as different as Orc build is from Human.

I know we want slaves to do repair, but I think I can make the rush not a repair ability. So Adherant's start and boost summon pools but slaves repair completed structures.

Actually, I did some work on the turtle triggers, mostly just disabling functions. The slaves now respond to commands. However I was able to keep the Select Tree ability, so that works as a way to tell which slaves are which and give bulk orders.

I was a bit skeptical of this system at first but it has really grown on me. Having slaves be something you don't pay for directly really goes a long way to making them seem like slaves.

 

[VeljkoM]

Will have to see your work one day.

 

[Kaos]

Here's the newest version of my map, still a bit messy but you can see the worker systems.

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=3vfq7b

 

[sacridshadow]

lol Slaves don't get hired. If they did, they'd be servants. Of course, I have heard of slaves who earned a little bit of money, and enough to buy their freedom.

 

[VeljkoM]

Gameplay and reality are not same. Sadly we can't implement the force capture of enemy units that would be stripped down of everything and would serve as slaves. Ok maybe it is possible but makes game harder to manage.

 

[Kaos]

Well that's the beauty of this system. You don't hire slaves. You buy the cages and you get slaves over time. I'm assuming this mechanic represents slaving parties nabbing mur'gul and delivering them over time and/or breeding programs.

I totally think there should be an upgrade to raise slaves per wagon to 5 also.

 

[VeljkoM]

I think one guy did try to make a full slave system for teactree contests though not sure what happened in the end.

Economical upgrades are for some reason unused except for humans, kinda unfair. So yea Extra slave upgrade would be fun...hm now I am thinking if it would be possible to modify turtle model to have Cages sticking out of it.

 

[sacridshadow]

A turtle with cages? that'd be an interesting idea, though I think it would be better if it was just a small hut or defensive structure, since the slaves have to protect themselves with the Orc Burrow ability.

 

[VeljkoM]

Nah best would be a burrow hut on top of shell while cages hang from sides though would have to be a really big turtle. And yea forgot to see if the Slave System allows burrow ability.

 

[Misha]

ask Tank about that, Veljo

 

[VeljkoM]

But where is fun in that? Skipping the whole experimental process...