Naga Fans

[Misha]

good point, lol

 

[VeljkoM]

By the way where is everyone from group? I thought var and sacrid weren't going to boot camp. And haven't seen chaos and lore much either. And other members.

 

[Chaos.]

I'm still here. I just work alot. I don't have as much time to just sit down and research ideas like I used to. Whenever I do have spare time, I spend it working on a project of my own that I hope to start as soon as I get a new computer and SCII. It's one of those projects that will probably never get done, it is just really entertaining to design it and plan it all out.

 

[sacridshadow]

lol I've been working on a warcraft comic, my scifi book, a warcraft cinematic (not warcraft editor), I'm trying to make a song, and was busy last weekend. So I've been busy, and haven't really touched the whole campaign stuff. Don't know what the status of the race tree is yet, so I can't make a plot or levels until I know exactly what I have. I do, however, have plot ideas that I want to use.

 

[VeljkoM]

In short all are busy while I am having prob with race that is effecting rest of the staff... maybe someone should take over teach tree from me since it seems that fora long time I had no new idea.

 

[Misha]

your tech-tree seems fine

 

[VeljkoM]

I didn't say its bad. Its just to damned slow. I am almost tempted to steal ideas from my older races.

 

[sacridshadow]

I think we need a detailed update. What units we'll have, what abilities we'll have, what role they fill, how they're supposed to work, and what the problems are. That's the best way to start. I suggest you take a picture of each individual unit, paste them in a row (going down) and have the details to the right of the units they go to. Shouldn't take long.

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh sorry wasn't on pc for couple of days. I'll make posts now.

 

[sacridshadow]

Hmmm, I think the Death Knight could be a balance between strength and intelligence. Strength because of Vampiric aura and Reanimate Dead, and intelligence because of Death Grip and Summon Mur'Ghouls. However, Deathgrip could be taken as a strength ability. So it might just be a strength hero. And the Naga Warlord should be strength and tank Maybe he could have something like Command Aura.

 

[VeljkoM]

I think we could replace Vampire aura for death knight. Was thinking perhaps Fear aura or something that effects enemies. Like lowers attack or speed or something else.

True, command aura would be good but perhaps some aura that increases resistance would be more tank-like? Like mountain giants hardened skin aura.

 

[Misha]

Hm.. a role of a death knight is really not defined... perhaps he can be demon-hunter-ish, as in agility and dps

EDIT: hm.. dks make many fever debuffs when attacking.. so.. add some as aura?

 

[sacridshadow]

What's wrong with the abilities chosen already? Vampiric Aura would allow the Death Night and melee allies to gain health when attacking opponents, meaning that they last longer. When you've got a buff on a hero, it always increases the performance of your units, not decreases the enemy's performance. Perhaps that Fear ability (name would have to be changed) could be put in a ward for the Sorceror. That'd actually be kind of cool.

And Misha, the Death Knight is a Strength Hero. Their function determines how they are used and the spells they get. Agility Heros are built to disrupt enemies, but slaughter. That would go for the Blade Master, the Warden, the Dread Lord, and the Mountain King.

And what would you want in your fever defuff? If we add too many auras, the balance will be broken and the Naga will most definetly be on top, no matter how you played. I think we're fine with the biffs that we have.

 

[Misha]

..whatever..

 

[VeljkoM]

Well vampire aura is nice but it already exist so we should make at least modified version of it, we shouldn't use unchanged blizz spells unless they aren't not used by other races. Oh for sorcerer I thought ward that auto AoE attacks units that cast any spell but guess fear could work too, he still needs a unit buff ability (all races must have ability to buff units like "Inner fire, Blood-lust, Unholy Frenzy and Roar").

Sacrid does have a point about hero roles. Agility are hero killers and easily manipulate enemy units while strength heroes either support units and them selves with defensive abilities or deal pure damage sort of.

 

[sacridshadow]

And Intelligence are purely support, but have strong and diverse spells that can deal a severe blow to enemies if used correctly. But they're weaker than the other two hero types.

For the spells, why do we have to change all of them? I think it'd be easier to leave some of the simple ones. If we're going to edit Vampiric Aura, we could basically merge Unholy Aura and Vampiric Aura, so it increses attack power, speed, and gives regeneration bonus when attacking. That'd be quite a useful buff.

 

[VeljkoM]

Would be easier but also would be boring and simply unimaginative, its worse in case of heroes cuz people expect most of them. And actually Unholy Aura does already give regeneration bonus but yea I'll see to find a way to merge them.

 

[sacridshadow]

We can cut Unholy Aura's regenerative bonus in favor of Vampiric Aura's buff. It'd be more interesting. Unholy Uara's regeneration buff was only for the undead, as they could only heal on blight. Can't wit ti try out the spell on enemies. lol

 

[VeljkoM]

That aura regenerated Meat Wagon which should be immune duo to being mechanical, also I never noticed that undead heal only on blight, it just seemed faster. Anyway now we only need a name.

 

[sacridshadow]

Wait, unholy aura regenerates meat wagons? That's awesome.

 

[Misha]

Undead are OP!

xD

 

[sacridshadow]

Actually, the undead have weak attacks and weak armor. If I recall correctly, their only bonus is their high health. All of their upgrades focus on damage and armor in one way or another.

 

[VeljkoM]

No their focus believe it or not is speed. Ghoul Frenzy, Unholy Frenzy and Unholy aura and undead are fastest attackers in game then. And their attacks are strong, they do have strongest air unit and range unit. As for hp well I am sure humans win that cuz they have actually upgrades for that and orcs are naturally tough.

 

[sacridshadow]

Well, speed wasn't what I was focusing on, but yeah, they are the fastest. Orcs have the most defense, and humans have the most health. Night Elves have decent attack, but also have the disadvantage of being almost purely ranged, while the other races have some great melee units.

 

[VeljkoM]

Actually its other way around humans have defense (knight and footman are star example and even their buildings) and orcs have better hp and attack. And night elves unlike other races do have 2 3rd melee units who are quite powerful.

 

[Misha]

http://www.deviantart.com/#/d3itl81 wonder if this would be good to replace the cumbersome aqua golem

PS it's copyrighted, methinks

 

[sacridshadow]

Well it's definately an interesting concept. If we could get something similar, that'd be cool. I was thinking, now that I've seen it. we could use a water elemental without arms and put similar armor on it. The high pressure water laser there would be the highlight. Probably as it's only attack, assuming we don't add anti air attack as well.

 

[Misha]

anti-air would defeat the siege aspect of the water jet

By the way.. it would be veery good if another modeler makes something for naga fans.. like this thing, but different, lol

 

[Misha]

really.. anyone?

I'm feelin' preeeeetty looonely here as the only modeler.. >_<

 

[sacridshadow]

I might give it a shot, but I wouldn't be able to animate it. Varsaigen might do it for me though.

 

[Misha]

don't try, do it =]

but we reaaaly could use more modelers..

 

[Lore-Wolf]

I tired it. more than one time. Even with tutorials and people who helped me.. but i just suck at it XD

 

[VeljkoM]

I was to lazy to even try. Or am just unlucky. Tried to transfer animations from undead building to custom building so it would use undead birth animation and instead custom unit lost its only animation (death).

Oh and I was gone these 2 weeks so I didn't work much...

 

[Misha]

veljo... how did that happen? lol

 

[VeljkoM]

For animation thing I still have no idea. Think custom model just lacks ability to use undead animations.

As for 2 weeks thing well I got to have vacation.

 

[Misha]

I'm about to go on one vacation too :3

if it doesn't get canceled, lol

 

[VeljkoM]

Great then I'll then have to make sure to surprise you when you return. I hope that Race competition will give me ideas also.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

So, any new updates? :3

 

[Misha]

maybe soon :3 dunno

 

[VeljkoM]

Right right, not like I have joined race contests for third time or got addicted with red alert 3 ^^;

Anyway how about these ideas:
-Mur'gul to have slippery skin ability (basically evasion)
-Sorcerer to get alchemist AoE heal instead of tranquility (still channeled), ward that auto attacks any unit that casts spell and auto-cast ability that increases attack and speed of naga units?
-Find a way to make ability for reptilian scavengers to attach themselves on air units and feed on them.

 

[Misha]

lol.. xD

I dunno about murgul having such things, they're fodder, lol
that alchemist heal sounds good, ward too, but autocast should go to females, lol

hmm.. use drain life and always move the casting unit instantly to the drained one?

 

[VeljkoM]

Well most tier 1 melee units (aka cannon fodder) have upgrade or ability to survive a little longer (defend, cannibalism, hp increase for grunts and archer are semi-imune to piercing/magic attacks). Though I do think something better should be for mur'guls.

She already has parasite auto cast.

Yep, perfect anti-air ability though similar to dragonhawks just has heal and i guess different duration.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I see http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/spells-569/slave-wagon-v1-2-a-202320/ this is finished

 

[Misha]

nearly, just to be tweaked now and be approved

 

[Lore-Wolf]

I played it. it looks really fine! I did see some things but ill talk with tank about em :3 But is very nice.

 

[Dynamiczx]

Hi everyone!I just joined this group since i love Nagas too xD
How are you everybody?

 

[Misha]

Hail to the new member! lol

 

[varsaigen]

Welcome!

 

[Dynamiczx]

Heheh thanks for the warm welcome

 

[Misha]

so.. any contributions in planing, or..?