Meditation - Lucid Dreaming

[BloodDrunk]

Anyone does this in free time?
Do you know what this is?

post your suggestions and/or your experiences if you did

 

[rulerofiron99]

I've read about it, never experience or tried it.

Do you have some?

 

[BloodDrunk]

not yet, but I'm trying to induce some and trying really hard.
When I only imagine what everything I could do in Lucid Dreams....
Indescribably

you should start learning about it.
I'm practising alot

 

[Kitabatake]

I have lucid dreams very rarely, mostly because I'm far too lazy to constantly question reality.

 

[Nuclear]

This reminds me of the thread I made about the subject three years ago. Anyway, I've often think about it, but I procrastinate too much and don't have enough commitment to actually get around trying it.

Well... I'm not sure, but I might have had a sorta lucid dream once when I tried to get one. It was dark, like a void, there was nothing, but I was conscious. It was actually kinda cool, felt like some sort of existing in a nonexistent universe or something like that.

 

[Radicool]

I have dreamt many times before with some conscious influence over my dreams. Of course its a dream so the dream itself is random. But I half control what I do and what happens.

However, I'm not sure if these dreams occur when I'm half awake or not. In the morning when your too tried to think, open your eyes, make the decision to get out of bed, or remember anything that anybody said to you during this state. Basically I'm not sure exactly to what extent I was actually asleep. Is it tired thoughts, or lucid dreaming? I dont know.

I have heard that apparently dreaming about things such as soccer, causes you to be a little more co-ordinated at soccer. This goes for anything. Basically, you can train in your dreams. Is this lucid dreaming?

 

[Gilles]

I'm aware that I'm dreaming sometimes, but I have little to no control over it. Which is really frustrating at the time.

 

[BloodDrunk]

I'm aware that I'm dreaming sometimes, but I have little to no control over it. Which is really frustrating at the time.

You must practice more and more. Then you will be able to control your dreams with ease. Believe me, you can literally do whatever you can imagine. Anything is possible in dreams.

I have heard that apparently dreaming about things such as soccer, causes you to be a little more co-ordinated at soccer. This goes for anything. Basically, you can train in your dreams. Is this lucid dreaming?

Yes, in dreams you can practise and it can positively affect you in real life. It was Lucid dreaming if you were aware that you were playing soccer in dreams. If you just played soccer and you weren't able to control it, it wasn't a Lucid one.

 

[Anachron]

When I was a children I always changed my dreams and from boring or horrible stuff I changed like the whole dream into something better.

Sometimes I was a naughty boy and forced stuff (such as a girl to kiss me or people to like me) which kinda worked, but now I feel bad about it.

Honestly, I have had many dreams that people could never imagine.

I dreamed about worlds with different physics and living my life in another body/species, planet and existence. In a few dreams I had no body only my "soul" was present. In other dreams I had several bodies connected with my soul and in even other dreams I was creating humans/other souls by myself.

Since those dreams I am quite sure we don't know anything about this world, this life and this type of living. We really do live in a matrix, because in my dreams, I am free to do whatever I want and create or change whatever I want.

Which makes me hard to know which is reality and which not.

But there is one suggestion if you want to try it out:
In a constant rhythm tell yourself that you are awake (every 4 hours for example). Then when you are sleeping the body will expect yourself to say that, but you can't. So the body will tell you (in you dream) that you are dreaming.

I hope it helps you guys.

 

[BloodDrunk]

But there is one suggestion if you want to try it out:
In a constant rhythm tell yourself that you are awake (every 4 hours for example). Then when you are sleeping the body will expect yourself to say that, but you can't. So the body will tell you (in you dream) that you are dreaming.

I hope it helps you guys.

That is called ''Reality Check''.
when you question yourself that enough during the day, your brain will wade into the habit to question it itself at anytime and if that happens during the dream, it will realize it is dreaming, thus gaining awareness and then becaming Lucid!

Since those dreams I am quite sure we don't know anything about this world, this life and this type of living. We really do live in a matrix, because in my dreams, I am free to do whatever I want and create or change whatever I want.

Which makes me hard to know which is reality and which not.

It is because while dreaming, you brain accepts anything as real so you can't figure out it is not real.
That's why performing RC's is the key to success

 

[Anachron]

Hi again,

but in my dreams I get connection to the real world. For example I (sometimes) can switch from sleeping to awake in one second, then do something in real world and switch to sleep again.

Example:
Sometimes when I forgot to put alarm clock in my dream I notice I should be awake at this time (to do something), so I wake up, do it, go back to sleep and continue where I left last time in my dream.

Another thing is, when I was younger I once was able to have TWO different thoughts at the same time! I know it's possible, but sadly I never figured out how to recreate it.

What I mean is:
I was solving a mathematical problem and thinking about my friends problem at the same time, thus my teacher asked me what's the solution because she noticed me talking to him, so I told her the (correct) answer and after that I told my friend what I would do in his case. She was kinda surprised and didn't understand what was going on.
Please don't tell me I did it one after another. I was really having two thoughts at the same time. Also, my brain felt amazing. It was like I could do and solve everything. But sadly this state only lasted for a few minutes.

A lot of people will think now I am an attention whore and that is exactly why I rarely tell people about it. Many people are too narrow minded to accept that reality is not what it is claimed to be.

For me reality means all aspects of life that you can currently see with your current consciousness.

 

[BloodDrunk]

but in my dreams I get connection to the real world. For example I (sometimes) can switch from sleeping to awake in one second, then do something in real world and switch to sleep again.

Example:
Sometimes when I forgot to put alarm clock in my dream I notice I should be awake at this time (to do something), so I wake up, do it, go back to sleep and continue where I left last time in my dream.

you mean, in dream you realize ''hey, I forgot to put alarm'', you wake up from dreams, set the alarm and then return to the dreams?

I think that you are Lucid (aware), but you don't control dreams, you just leave it to go random...
Man, if that's true, you have a nature gift. Be Lucid and do whatever you want

Another thing is, when I was younger I once was able to have TWO different thoughts at the same time! I know it's possible, but sadly I never figured out how to recreate it.

you are a Multitask person, meaning that you can do more thing at once which is awesome

 

[Ironside]

I am an average Lucid Dreamer, I can take control of most dreams if I so desire.

 

[Nuclear]

I am an average Lucid Dreamer, I can take control of most dreams if I so desire.

Average? That sounds more like an experienced long time dreamer.

I'll definitely try this when I have the week long holiday soon. I've been looking at this thing for few years now, and have been sacred away by something every time, either by the effort required or something else, like this;

http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-experiences/51125-mirrors-lucid-dreams-bad-experiences-them.html

Last time In was afraid of seeing something horrible in a mirror, and it'd be a self fulfilling prophecy, so I decided not to do it. Now that I'm used to that thought and it doesn't really seem so bad to see a demonic twisted version of myself, so I might as well try.

 

[Ironside]

Average? That sounds more like an experienced long time dreamer.

I'll definitely try this when I have the week long holiday soon. I've been looking at this thing for few years now, and have been sacred away by something every time, either by the effort required or something else, like this;

http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-experiences/51125-mirrors-lucid-dreams-bad-experiences-them.html

Last time In was afraid of seeing something horrible in a mirror, and it'd be a self fulfilling prophecy, so I decided not to do it. Now that I'm used to that thought and it doesn't really seem so bad to see a demonic twisted version of myself, so I might as well try.

I call it average, since professional would be controlling any dream, I can only do most so far. I also do it in a different way than they teach it.

 

[DeathRaider(MMT]

I've lucid dreamed once or twice quite well. The first time was very weird and short lived. It happened quite awhile in my dream, i was walking down a road and suddenly one of the trees distorted a bit and it popped in my head "im dreaming?". So giving it a try, flew for a total of about 2 seconds, scared the shit out of me and i woke up. The second time was wayyyy cooler. Me and a few of my buddies were being chased up and through this mountain by a dragon. We went through a few short caves and ended up descending down the mountain and we got to this small little truck stop, road little place. It was dark, and the dragon popped over the mountain headed towards us and started circling. My buddy Chris asked "What are we gonna do?" and i replied just out of instinct "Dont worry, this is just a dream". And i ended up killing the fucker with lightning bursting from clouds. It was fucking cool to say the least, and how unreal it was still surprises me to this day. I always wanted to lucid dream again but never experienced it since. Such a neat thing to experience though.

 

[Zakamutt]

I've had a short moment of lucidity in a dream personally; just as you, I started out by flying (anyone else?). After that that I flew up to a tree and humped a mechanical girl or something. I'm not if I had that much control at that point. Nothing in a long time these days though; part of it is probably because I rarely remember dreams, which would imply I don't drift in and out of sleep that much.

 

[-Derp-]

pfft lucid dreaming
Tulpa creation is where it's at.

 

[Radicool]

Whats strange is when dreams are repeated. It doesn't happen to me much anymore, but I use to have the same dream over and over. I have a vivid memory of those dreams (although they wouldn't make much sense to explain). I was aware of the dream while I was dreaming, and also aware that I've had the dream before. So I knew what was going to happen in my dream before it happened. Kind of like watching the same movie twice.

In other words, it appears I had no control over my dream. It was almost as if I was an observer, watching over myself in my dream from a 1st person perspective. Moreover it was a dark dream. Quiet, strange, but it wasn't a nightmare. Interesting huh...what exactly is this?

pfft lucid dreaming
Tulpa creation is where it's at.

lol, not sure if ur joking or not. I looked it up. The olny problem with it is im skeptical it works. Some people get so overwhelmed in their own thoughts and begin making claims like they can do things like this, but in reality, they cant. Dreaming is special, because you can do anything. And a dream is not reality, but it is real.

 

[-Derp-]

Skeptic? Hah.
Read any of these surveys;
http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Survey-and-stylometric-test-for-fluently-speaking-tulpa
...and if that doesn't do it,
http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Is-this-all-for-real?highlight=skeptic

The brain is more powerful than we all suspect. Have you ever had a hallucination? An imposed tulpa is like that only it's controlled. Do you know of multiple personalities (disorder or not)? A vocal tulpa is like that, yet benign. And why I say tuppers are better than this silly lucid dreaming is that a lucid dream is just that - a dream. Sure, you can go on an adventure and live a 'second life', yet tuppers can help you on tests, pick you up when you're down, be an extremely loyal friend, and some have even been switching places with them. Yes, switching and making a that second life a reality.

If anything it's something to read about.

 

[Rui]

What the heck is a tulpa?

About lucid dreaming, we had a thread regarding this. I usually am too tired to try to do it and I don't dream unless I wake up in the morning and fall back to sleep. During the Summer, when I'm on holidays, I try to do this a lot.
When I first started, 2 or 3 years ago, I woke up as soon as I went lucid. Over time, I've been managing to stay asleep and lucid dreaming for longer periods of time — I made quite a lot of progress last Summer in particular.

I remember a particular lucid dream in which I had a glass wall in front of me in what seemed like some sort of maul. I could have walked around it, but I thought «I WILL bypass this» and I did (or made it disappear, I didn't look back to confirm ). Then I apparently lost control because I went to beat someone up for no reason

On another lucid dream, I was in my old house and I don't recall if I was being robbed or something, I just remember using some sort of super-strength to throw people off the balcony. I am usually not able to do any form of «magic» things even though I've tried. This was and is my goal.

 

[Squiggy]

tuppers can help you on tests, pick you up when you're down, be an extremely loyal friend, and some have even been switching places with them.

Making up people is what imprisoned criminals do.
I don't think anyone should worship that approach of dealing with reality because reality is real and not alterable (thus absolute as opposed to those tulpa-thingies).

I occasionally have lucid dreams and those are awesome.
Most are about me flying somewhere, driving Jet-Ski or whatever.

 

[Nuclear]

Skeptic? Hah.
Read any of these surveys;
http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Surv...speaking-tulpa
...and if that doesn't do it,
http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Is-t...hlight=skeptic

Anecdotal evidence by people who have invested time and emotion in the thing doesn't quite work. Quote from your link;

Hello Aveos,
My name is Nobillis and I am a tulpa. I type by controlling the hands of my human so that my words get typed into the computer. This is relatively easy for me as the body has touch-typing reflexes. So basically I just think the words and they get typed. I gather this is pretty much how humans type stuff too - You don't really have to think of every key you press do you?

O.k. best advice would be - do not make a tulpa. Keep your very sensible disbelief. (This is what my sponsors say, and they have quite a bit of experience).

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Nobillis (a secretary)

Now my bullshit senses are tingling. Seems just like hypnosis to me; it works by a delusion if one wants it to.

 

[-Derp-]

I'm making the assumption that both of you have a decent idea of just what a tulpa is.

Making up people is what imprisoned criminals do.
I don't think anyone should worship that approach of dealing with reality because reality is real and not alterable (thus absolute as opposed to those tulpa-thingies).

Creating a tulpa certainly isn't for everyone and it isn't all about escaping reality. Quite a few of the members have done it for artistic aspiration, others to make their "waifu" exist, and some are just flat out lonely. Even a handful have been using it to manage mental illnesses. Those attempting to use a tulpa to escape reality generally give up quickly. The process of just getting a vocal tulpa takes an average of 4-5 months, and the whole hallucination part takes as long if not longer. Mind there certainly are outliers with this.

Anecdotal evidence by people who have invested time and emotion in the thing doesn't quite work.

Ironically lucid dreaming started out in a very similar way with people making claims of being capable of lucid dreaming which eventually lead to scientific research. You have to start somewhere and the tulpa site plans on paying/attracting psychologists to invest time into the subject once the site is updated to look more professional. The update *should* be out within a few months.

Now now, it seems you want some sort of 'proof'. I can't send you a picture of a tulpa because sadly it's a hallucination, and since the subject has just started to get free of the metaphysical spotlight, there isn't a whole lot of sciency proof. However, a site member happened to get his hands on an EEG headset and here are his results. If you don't know, an EEG headset measures brain waves and activity. Here's a link to a site that tells you what the brainwaves mean. So you might say, that's great and what not, but it doesn't prove anything. Well, here's a link to one of the closest things I know of as proof. It's a video about a topic known as "Subselves", and the video was made by a psychologist whom has been working on the subject matter for a decade or more. Although not directly related to the tulpa subject, the way of making subselves and their entire concept it incredibly similar to tuppers. Here's another video about subselves, and a nice little FAQ.

If those don't work for you research in healthy multiplicity, forced hallucinations, multiple personalities, and the actual subself theory might help.

Now my bullshit senses are tingling. Seems just like hypnosis to me; it works by a delusion if one wants it to.

That kerin guy walked into the site with like, 5 tuppers all apparently imposed and capable of switching. It's assumed that his methods are quite a bit different than the ones used on the site.

Oh hypnosis... although the process of making a tulpa can be similar to self-hypnosis, the tulpa itself is much more like another conscious mind. The process of getting a tulpa vocal consists of talking to yourself until your mind begins to talk back with responses that aren't yours - coined the term 'narration' within the community. There are aspects of the tulpa creation that are delusions - like the visual hallucination - but a vocal tulpa is not a delusion. It's very real.

 

[Zakamutt]

I don't see why a brain couldn't contain two different and truly non-joined personalities, just like say alien hand syndrome on a different level. I do think this is rather difficult, though... I mean, much of my internal dialogue tends to be Id vs Superego, but they both have some quirks and there's also Depression Asshole.

Hmm.

 

[TheKurt009]

i've had lucid dreams every nightmare. Or i don't know
but every time some monster from the wrong turn movie runs up to me and i fight back.
ending up beating it into unconciousness
i don't know if i was lucid dreaming because i wasn't quite aware of it. But i know that if it's real life i'm gonna run away like a sissy.

another dream i had is attempting to fly, for a second i was aware that it's a dream but my control is not strong.
i tried to fly by jumping very high for about 20 feet but ended up falling and trying it again for 5 times. then i just went on my dream like it was normal.

sometimes when supernatural things happen in my dream i tend to think it's normal even though i wasn't aware it's a dream.

another is going to a place where it's not that beautiful but it kinda sticks into your mind and makes you think where was i when i was dreaming? kinda like a deja vu.

 

[saphiree]

I had a period once where I lucid dreamed, and sometimes I could control the dream (once changed a nightmare). It's awesome, but I don't know why I lucid dreamed in the period, as I haven't done it again ever. I just recall, that I had a hard time staying asleep, and the slightest disturbances could wake me up

 

[Wazzz]

sometimes, i go to sleep, and wake up to find i wet the bed. is that lucid dreaming?

 

[saphiree]

sometimes, i go to sleep, and wake up to find i wet the bed. is that lucid dreaming?

Bwahaha, lol dude. Google it

 

[BloodDrunk]

sometimes, i go to sleep, and wake up to find i wet the bed. is that lucid dreaming?

not sure if serious or joking...

Well, if you woke up on purpose, clearly remember the dream and If your were aware of what you were doing in dream, then yes, you were Lucid Dreaming

Else, no

 

[Zakamutt]

I'd call it liquid dreaming. Perhaps limpid dreaming? Limpid is one of those words there is absolutely no point worth knowing, barring passing exams. Clear, as in clear fluid. Yes, this makes much sense.

 

[Codric]

I know when I am dreaming, Because its usally too good to be true.

 

[BloodDrunk]

I know when I am dreaming, Because its usally too good to be true.

Really? how so?
My ''too good to be true'' dreams are so good I don't even think of thinking that I could be dreaming (-.-')

 

[General Frank]

Anyone does this in free time?
Do you know what this is?

post your suggestions and/or your experiences if you did

I actually do that in my free time.
To improve the chance of getting control of lucid dreaming you might want to write down what you dreamt when you wake up. Then when you go to bed again just re-read what you have dreamt. Continue over a weak or two and you might have a good grip on your dreams.

 

[takakenji]

i have naughty lucid dreams

 

[saphiree]

I actually do that in my free time.
To improve the chance of getting control of lucid dreaming you might want to write down what you dreamt when you wake up. Then when you go to bed again just re-read what you have dreamt. Continue over a weak or two and you might have a good grip on your dreams.

This has proven to be the best method.
The problem for me is, I really don't want anyone to find out about the fucked up things I dream about xD

 

[BloodDrunk]

True, true.....

I like lucid dreaming, althought I don't really put any effort into it because fuck you. JK, I'm hyper lazy ass to do reality check hha

If I get lucky and become lucid, they usually lasts very short

 

[Roland]

Okay, I kept on having serious and deep lucid dreams every midnight or at 3 - 4 AM, I always avoid the lucid dreams cause I always pray before I sleep. And oh, Don't eat too much or when your tummy's full, Cause you might have nightmares, It occurs on some people in the Philippines.

EDIT: I really recommend that I will do Astral Meditation.

 

[BloodDrunk]

Full tummy can only make falling asleep harder, not nightmares lol
Where the hell did you got that?

 

[General Frank]

Okay, I kept on having serious and deep lucid dreams every midnight or at 3 - 4 AM, I always avoid the lucid dreams cause I always pray before I sleep. And oh, Don't eat too much or when your tummy's full, Cause you might have nightmares, It occurs on some people in the Philippines.

EDIT: I really recommend that I will do Astral Meditation.

That's actually total bullshit.

Full tummy can only make falling asleep harder, not nightmares lol
Where the hell did you got that?

The re-reading thing might work best.

 

[BloodDrunk]

That's actually total bullshit.



The re-reading thing might work best.

of course, rereading will bring some memories of that LD back and will help you focus on ld-ing while falling asleep and help you ''remember'' to becemoe lucid in dream

 

[Orcnet]

Lucid dreaming doesn't really help you enhance/braver/improve the way of life for other people if that's what lucid dreaming is all about, its more of making you blind with the reality you are right now and its just a waste of time, is sleeping too mainstream now?

I prefer that dreams are just a second pinch of our fantasy and recklessly ignore our chances to make it real, only true physical attention and prosperity that we can achieve what we dream for (getting rich, harem, conquer fear etc.).

 

[Nuclear]

Lucid dreaming doesn't really help you enhance/braver/improve the way of life for other people if that's what lucid dreaming is all about, its more of making you blind with the reality you are right now and its just a waste of time, is sleeping too mainstream now?

I prefer that dreams are just a second pinch of our fantasy and recklessly ignore our chances to make it real, only true physical attention and prosperity that we can achieve what we dream for (getting rich, harem, conquer fear etc.).

I think you've entirely missed the point. It isn't about trying to make dreams come true, it's about making sleeping more entertaining and doing awesome shit in dreams where there are no boundaries.

 

[BloodDrunk]

^^^^

 

[General Frank]

I think you've entirely missed the point. It isn't about trying to make dreams come true, it's about making sleeping more entertaining and doing awesome shit in dreams where there are no boundaries.

I had the same feeling.