In Unanimous Vote, Russia Passes Bill Making It Illegal To Tell Kids Gay People Exist

[Edhel-dur]

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What do you guys think? I think it's awesome.

 

[Zakamutt]

Well, this should make "pidar" an even better insult when you want to diss russians in dota2.

Russians don't even want democracy, there is no real hope for russia atm. can't make myself care much

 

[I3lackDeath]

I am not too sure about democracy being the ultimate benefit...
Either way, I can already foresee either Russia contesting the Vatican's starring role or both of them forming an alliance to convert all of us. \o/

What do you guys think? I think it's awesome.

Serious question:
How serious are you on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being "most serious") ?
Note that I already constantly read your nickname as "Edelhure" (no offense!), and your answer might permanently burn a negative connotation in my head.

 

[fladdermasken]

Russians don't even want democracy

Neither do I in its current form. /o/

 

[Edhel-dur]

Serious question:
How serious are you on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being "most serious") ?

Really serious. My problem with gay couples being legalized and promoted is the following: small children can get really confused and fucked up.

I personally believe that there is a 'gay gene', however there are few people who are gay because of it, than who are gay because of not being able to fit in life.

For example, a child boy is 5 years old. He goes to a girl, the girl makes fun of him, pushes him away (whatever), he then runs to play with toys with another boy. He already feels better with the boy, than with the girl. The boy now has a start of an emotional scar. The boy is then 8 years old, he goes to school. He tries to talk to a girl again, the girl is just a bitch and makes fun of him, and the boy runs off to his guy friends. Then at age 10, he finds a magazine where he learns about being gay and anal sex. At age 10 all hell can break loose. The boy can mistake his friendship with another child with some kind of relationship. This however is just a rough sketch, but I believe it's the real case with the most of people who are gay. They are people who cannot fit into society, and run away to where it's safe and easy, because life is too damn hard to handle it emotionally speaking.

By accepting gay marriage, we are accepting to create a society where people don't need to fit in anymore, they can be whoever they want to be. And take it in the negative sense, if one wants to be a retard, he can be a retard. If one can't fit in, is scared... he will continue to live like that. Is that what's good for a society? Being scared?

Nature... has natural selection for a reason. Promoting gay communities I feel like it's promoting against natural selection given by nature.

I understand people who have physical and deep emotional damages. And I think society needs to help them be able to live life. But it's a difference between having a hard time fitting in because you lack one arm, thus society helps you fit in... and having a hard time fitting in because you weren't able those two times to seduce a girl and have completely given up on the idea and think that you are gay because it's just more easier to do, and then demand society to help you.

Also I don't know what Edelhure is.

 

[fladdermasken]

Yeah, I move that we enroll these confused little kids to a hetero concentration camp for some spanking.

 

[trolman]

+50 respect points for mr Putin

 

[Talavaj]

I thought Russia was in slow progress of assimilating into sane society, seems though they are going full reverse.

 

[trolman]

communism fucked them up beyond repair, atleast some good things are coming out of it, like the current law

 

[Silverfish423]

Nature... has natural selection for a reason

Homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom exists..it can be quite common depending upon the animal in question, such as giraffes.

By accepting gay marriage, we are accepting to create a society where people don't need to fit in anymore

Or we are accepting that a person's sexual orientation does not need to be demonized by society, especially when the majority of the population's own sexual orientation is not purely heterosexual...

This however is just a rough sketch, but I believe it's the real case with the most of people who are gay

The emotional problems that homosexual persons have stem from the social abuse they receive from the outside world because of their sexual orientation, as opposed to being denied access to a girl. As a result, they tend to be involved with their own people, just as victimized people will do.

 

[Edhel-dur]

Homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom exists..it can be quite common depending upon the animal in question, such as giraffes.

Afaik that's bisexual behavior. And you misunderstood the meaning of natural selection. Natural selection into the wilds means make it or break it. Obviously we humans, as a society, are trying to save as many people as possible even if they are unfit.

Or we are accepting that a person's sexual orientation does not need to be demonized by society, especially when the majority of the population's own sexual orientation is not purely heterosexual...

If that's true, why doesn't society accept some guys sexual preference for children?

The emotional problems that homosexual persons have stem from the social abuse they receive from the outside world because of their sexual orientation, as opposed to being denied access to a girl. As a result, they tend to be involved with their own people, just as victimized people will do.

They choose to run away into these communities because they have been socially abused. Just like many kids which grow up in a hostile environment resort to alcohol or drugs, so many kids who have been 'socially abused' by girls run away to become gay.

Edit: Just like many social awkward people ran to mmorpgs like WoW.

 

[HammerFist132]

Well, this should make "pidar" an even better insult when you want to diss russians in dota2.

Russians don't even want democracy, there is no real hope for russia atm. can't make myself care much

you must be american or someone from west europe, everything you have learnt about Russia is from movies, where for excample Russian Astronaut is drunk, while americans are saving world.
And how the hell you know that "democracy" is best, it is just mask for shitting on your face with title "people can choose".

NATO, where are democracy nations bringed "democracy" to my country too, with bombs ofc, and now my family live 1m times worser that before 13-20 years.

 

[trolman]

Yet its still better than communism.

 

[HammerFist132]

You dont know that because you havent lived it, except on tv/internet. My grandfarther lived in it and he said that today(in his 76th year) he works for much more money that he does it once(1955-1975) but with that little that he was earning once he lived much better life.
For excample (today in "democracy") I cannot afford internet and I take wi-fi of my neighboors.
So we live better only on paper

 

[trolman]

well then congratulate the propaganda depratment for a well done job convincing you and your grandpa that communism was good, why dont you ask him about the freedom he had or maybe about Mao's top score?

 

[takakenji]

it seems like the U.S will need to save the world from total anarchy again

 

[Xonok]

It's always US saving the world, never any other way

 

[Edhel-dur]

It's always US saving the world, never any other way

US is saving democracy!
That's why they invested money into China.

 

[HammerFist132]

I don't want to argue any more, because you don't want to even think of thinngs I have written, THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE, I don't say comunism is everyhere perfect:

Imagine democracy in chine: every 4th year voting for president 1.500.000.000 (read number again) voting for president, voting would take 2 years and there would be enourmous money spent on them, cheating would be too, maybe new revolutions, millions killed in few weeks.
And you would go to wantch some Terminator agans russians. Fact is that america have blinded everyone that the should go to democracy, their democracy, so they could take: oul, food, power, everythings, they have drained Texas and now they are going to libiya and many others. I cannot write any more, I am on mobile you know

 

[trolman]

What you're saying makes no sence, India is about 1.200.000.000 and things are going pritty well there. Also, get this [rainbow]CHINA HAS A PRESIDENT[/rainbow] !

Revolutions,terminators, oul? Whoa maybe you are right... maybe communism is the right decision...maybe...NOT

 

[fladdermasken]

I don't want to argue any more, because you don't want to even think of thinngs I have written, THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE, I don't say comunism is everyhere perfect:

Imagine democracy in chine: every 4th year voting for president 1.500.000.000 (read number again) voting for president, voting would take 2 years and there would be enourmous money spent on them, cheating would be too, maybe new revolutions, millions killed in few weeks.
And you would go to wantch some Terminator agans russians. Fact is that america have blinded everyone that the should go to democracy, their democracy, so they could take: oul, food, power, everythings, they have drained Texas and now they are going to libiya and many others. I cannot write any more, I am on mobile you know

wat.

 

[HammerFist132]

noothing, I have heard and told too much shits for today.

 

[DESTROYER123]

I'm not intending to insult someone, but I don't like gay people.
I mean it's not normal!
God has created a living organism that will be more clever than the other animals.
The human.
However in order for the human to thank God he has gay-marriage.
Just imaging a male dog f@cking a male dog in the midle of the street.
It's the same thing for dogs.
They see male people in the road kissing each other in front of them.
A gay is abnormal.
That's the reason he is not straight.
And I thing it is called straight for a reason.
The reason that this means something normal.
Nuff said.

 

[fladdermasken]

Just imaging a male dog f@cking a male dog in the midle of the street.

Do you know any dogs? I have seen a dog dryhump a male cat in the streets. Dogs are dawgs. They'll bone anything made of matter.

Also this thread is now about dogs.

 

[Silverfish423]

Afaik that's bisexual behavior. And you misunderstood the meaning of natural selection. Natural selection into the wilds means make it or break it. Obviously we humans, as a society, are trying to save as many people as possible even if they are unfit.

Whether you call it bisexual behavior or I call it homosexual tendencies (I don't really think there is a real significant difference), I was attempting to show the flaw in your statement (which I probably should have extended):

Nature... has natural selection for a reason. Promoting gay communities I feel like it's promoting against natural selection given by nature.

and furthermore:

Natural selection into the wilds means make it or break it.

Natural selection means that any trait which can be acted upon by the outside world can be a factor in determining the organism's future success in surviving and producing offspring. Yet, with social animals, such as humans, this isn't as clear cut as "make a baby and wooh you won!". Social animals will reduce their own chances of reproduction if it means that by doing so, the success rate of relatives or close ones will have their chances increased. In addition, with social animals, the raising of a child can be just as important, if not more so, than the success of birth, in determining it's future success. There is even evidence that homosexual parenting is beneficial in the long run:
http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/
However, I would like to see the data as this is just an article relaying the findings.

If that's true, why doesn't society accept some guys sexual preference for children?

Because the children cannot make that decision for themselves. It's not a consensual relationship where both members have decided that they have emotional and sexual feelings for each other, but rather predation.

They choose to run away into these communities because they have been socially abused. Just like many kids which grow up in a hostile environment resort to alcohol or drugs, so many kids who have been 'socially abused' by girls run away to become gay.

I agree with the first sentence and the first half of the second sentence, but I can't take you seriously on the second part. I understand the correlation you are trying to make, but that is not the majority of homosexuals. The majority were born this way and knew it but could not come out for fear of rejection from peers, family members, etc., or did not know it because there is no education regarding homosexual thoughts, feelings, etc.


Also, I think it's stupid to tell children that homosexuals don't exist because they do. All that's doing is creating ignorance which breeds misunderstanding and in worse cases, hate.

 

[fladdermasken]

[REACTION=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RIM2MAMg-DQ/StPg96v3GCI/AAAAAAAAAaA/Bt11foL6Y8E/s400/1246552133.doggeh_rimg0353.jpg]Here's a communist dog

Just to ease you all into the transition[/REACTION]

 

[trolman]

Now get something about the dog's homosexsuality

 

[PROXY]

I'm not intending to insult someone, but I don't like gay people.
I mean it's not normal!
God has created a living organism that will be more clever than the other animals.
The human.
However in order for the human to thank God he has gay-marriage.
Just imaging a male dog f@cking a male dog in the midle of the street.
It's the same thing for dogs.
They see male people in the road kissing each other in front of them.
A gay is abnormal.
That's the reason he is not straight.
And I thing it is called straight for a reason.
The reason that this means something normal.
Nuff said.

How can you judge if being gay is not normal? Just because there are more heterosexual people then gay? Being gay is as normal as everything else. There is a really awesome song from "Die Ärzte", but it's in german.

Macklemore will do it too:

I support gay marriage and gay love. People who say, for example in france, that a kid needs a mum and dad, have never seen homosexual parents. They are often better parents then m/f.

Society is degrading gays, they don't chose themself to be in those "isolated groups" or however you called them. They get driven into them, because of our shitty society.

 

[I3lackDeath]

There is a really awesome song from "Die Ärzte", but it's in german.

Oooooooooooh, someone involving some class in this. Thank god this sub-forum has reputation enabled.

Let me do something similar and provide a dark satire on this whole matter:

Careful, this video includes strong visual content that may scar your soul forever and may render you unable to interact with any human being ever again!
Additionally, it is in German, so only Germans will understand it! [/stereotyping_off]

 

[trolman]

consider the following: If gays were normal they wouldnt be called gays, they would be called normal

but if weré gonna have gay songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8

 

[DESTROYER123]

I respect your opinions.
However you can't change my mind.
Sorry...

 

[gorillabull]

I respect your opinions.
However you can't change my mind.
Sorry...

no one is trying to

 

[PROXY]

Normal not in sense of meaning of their rarenes or anythnIng but rather it's nothing wrong being it, totally normal.

 

[trolman]

If it was totaly normal to be gay, then they would be normal, not gay.

 

[PROXY]

Normal and gay stand in a totally different manner. You can't put these two worlds in one bowl.

 

[I3lackDeath]

There is but one definition of "normal": compliance with standards.
In this case, it's social standards. Naturally, these shift constantly and depend on many factors. Sexuality itself is a very complex subject, just like sociological aspects.
Trying to put a one-dimensional stamp on these kinds of things is pathetic.

But thank *enter deity/belief/whatever in here* there are people who follow stereotypes aswell as most primitive and superficial of arguments (which have been used ad nauseam), who can't look beyond the borders of their little universe of mind and ridicule a delicate and important matter of discussion that way.

 

[trolman]

So what we all learned by now, is that gays are not normal,right?

 

[AIagremm]

I have come in all of my glorious fabulousness to declare this thread stupid.

 

[trolman]

So you think, gay rights are stupid?

 

[Squiggy]

I'm homophobic.
I don't care about the morals there.

 

[trolman]

So you think, gays are scary?

 

[Zakamutt]

I personally really dislike all normativity, too bad it's built into the human psyche qq.

 

[trolman]

So you're saying, you're gay?

 

[Zakamutt]

nah, but I like doing weird shit like walking on bicycle roofs

 

[trolman]

nah, but I like doing weird shit like walking on bicycle roofs

err...what?

this thread is about bicycle roofs now

 

[Zakamutt]

liek the stuff that covers bicycle stands from rain and shit.

 

[Azsure]

I'm glad Putin shares the same idea I had too.

 

[Nuclear]

Russia is surprisingly backwards in some things.

 

[Edhel-dur]

Here is how I understand being gay means.

To start off, no, I don't believe it's genetic to many people as it's claimed.

So we have one man and one woman, last two humans on Earth. Adam and Eve if you will. It doesn't matter if Eve lacks an arm, an eye, is fat and ugly. She is still the only woman on Earth. So for the species to survive, the adaptation part of natural selection kicks in and Adam will fk Eve.

Then let's say they have one son and two daughters. One daughter is blonde, the other is brunette. Now their son, all of a sudden has the delight to do something his father couldn't, and that is a choice based on preference. He can choose something based on something as trivial as hair color, because this opportunity exists. So guess what, he does it, because it's possible.

Obviously, as the Earth gets re-populated, there are more and more choices for everybody. So if with Adam and Eve there was no choice, and with their son and daughters had one choice, now that there are (idk) 100,000 people, there are plenty of choices to be made, on criteria such as social status, height, weight, personality etc.

But why are these choices made? Well we could argue it's because of natural selection. It is so we continue the existence of our species.

But here is the trick about humans. Out of all animals, us humans understand life on multiple planes. We live not only through a physical point of view, but from a psychological point of view too. We don't live only based on eating, having sex and owning a territory. We also live based on social status, wealth, sexual orientation and other things which you don't find in the animal kingdom on Earth. Someones social status or wealth or sexual orientation... it creates for us an emotion. We have opinions about all those things, opinions which we use in order to possibly select our partner in life, in order too continue our race.

So us humans, because we are now 7 billion people and counting, we now have the options we didn't have 200 years ago. And that is we have the option of being gay. Because we are so fucking many on this Earth, and we meet so many new people each day just by going down the street, that we literary have the comfort of not needing to fight in this life, but simply run away. Now in 2013, if we aren't deemed socially fit, it's okay, because no one is forcing us anymore to be fit. The circumstances aren't forcing us, we are too many on Earth so us being socially fit or not doesn't change anything, and since it's much more easier to lie than to tell the truth, to run than to fight, to be unfit than to be fit, we are now 'gay'.

Being gay, is just an adaptation to assure survival of one-self at a social level. Someone who wasn't able to be socially fit, someone who's brain told him "it's fucking hard and hurts to get a girl" and decided for the easier route. Many people are gay just because they are confused. Many people are still confused at 30-40 years old.

And furthermore to add, if being gay means to be attracted to the same gender, why do many people who are gay cross-dress? Why does in a gay couple of two men, one of them dresses like a woman? If being gay means being attracted to the same sex, why are they dressing and behaving like the opposite sex?

That tells me, that they find women attractive, so they would be with a woman, if they could, but they can't, so they're gay because the option exists.

 

[DESTROYER123]

Edhel-dur, I kinda agree with ya.
However I think that options are created because people nowdays have everything they want so they are ''snobbing'' the thing of real life.

2 examples.

1) 10 people left on earth.
5 men, 5 women

-Man-Damn! We are only 10! We need to expand our kind! FK THE WOMEN!
-Rest Men-YEAH!

100000000 people left on earth.
-Men-Hey we are a lot people here. We don't need to expand.
-Another man- Yes! Lest have gay sex.


2)
In World War2.

-A woman-Damn...I need..some....meat....I can't.....hold..much....longer...


In 2013
-Another woman-Meat? Are you crazy? I only it grass.