IID Beta v0.88b

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Date: 2012/Dec/31 18:03:36

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The terrain - Absolutely flawless. Maybe you remember that I didn't find the terrain satisfying in an earlier version, but then you really improved upon that area and you've really done a great job.
The transition between the 2 themes is well done, it's almost as if you had used a brush. The environment is detailed, a lot of beautiful areas such as waterfalls, etc.
The map's layout is the generic AoS one, but the jungle is somewhat unique.
The gameplay - You can easily say it's heavily inspired by League of Legends: Ability Power, portal to town, jungle buffs, etc.
Now that is not something bad, since inspiration's purpose is not always a bad thing, it can be a direct copy and completely unoriginal or you can base your ideas on a main concept, such as LoL's.
You, however, have improved on this subject, by creating quite interesting heroes, who have their own unique traits.
I'm not gonna mention the lore/storyline, because I'm really gonna be realistic here and say that most people don't care about an AoS' storyline. AoS fans just want to find new strategies and playstyles and kill their enemies viciously.
Other - The UI is probably the most remarkable and unique feature of your project: The hero selection is clean, informative and easy to use.
The custom panel above a hero's head indicating his hp/mana/level is also new and can be useful, by making the bars bigger and also indicating the hero's level directly.
There's multiple multiboards, one of them being for basic game stats, the other your character's personal stats.
While they're both informative, the game stats one with the kills, deaths stats is a bit confusing, because of the icons used and no titles.
I would also suggest you put the game time in the multiboard's title, so that you may indicate not only seconds, but also minutes elapsed.
The custom resources have been used effectively in this as well, the models and icons all go together, each hero has his own color gradient for his spell icons.
Although it's always a bit confusing when you use a passive icon for an active spell. (Hellforge Automaton's characteristic skill)
The quest log contains all of the info needed, but I suggest you colorize keywords in the text and keep everything short and to the point.
You've also added another useful feature, the tower range indicator. You usually know what the tower's range is after playing an AoS multiple times, but it's still really helpful to see a circle indicating the range.
The shop system is something that's been done already, with the different skills used to go to other pages (Oasis and Desert 2), but yours is also really clean and you've also added a suggested items tab, which can be a lifesaver for a lot of starters.

Overall - Your project is quite polished and it is something you and your team have been working on for a while. While it is really beautiful to look at, along with fun and interesting heroes to play with, the project does not seem to be beaming anything drastically new to the AoS genre.
The most remarkable features would be the UI and the terrain. The gameplay does not bring anything original, it is still the complex hero styles which you have to master.
It just seems you were not daring to go in a different direction with this project, it is way too close to the original concept.
This does not mean that the project is bad, it is indeed quite a lot of fun to play thanks to its amazing heroes and stunning environment, however, it doesn't really leave an original impression.

Other small suggestions:

• It's "victorious", not "victorius" (ending)
• Expand the game stats multiboard at the end
• Nature's Attendant's Grounding's tooltip needs a fix: The learning tooltip has a cut off sentence in its description at the bototm, while the learned tooltip has all of the text

Highly Recommended

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[Luorax]

Next version WIP changelog

Doombot

• [R] Fel Flamethrower: No longer triggers/may be blocked by spell shields.

Glacion

• [R] Frigid Blast: Fixed a typo that caused the circle sfx to appear around the target's (x,x) coordinates, instead of (x,y).

Nessara

• [R] Stance Dance: No longer considered to be a channeled spell.

Jungle Creeps

• Death Revenant: Gold Bounty reduced to 50 from 60.
• Wildkin: Gold Bounty reduced to 50 from 60.

Core

• Sound volume changes from the previous patch reverted.
• Game start time reduced to 90 seconds from 180 seconds in single player games.
• Spawn effect for death revenants, and triples in the Fel Force jungle changed.
• Even more fog of war fixes, thanks to Malvodion.
• Fixed a wrongly placed parenthesis in the AuraStruct code that caused the Walkthrough library to not work.
• Fixed a bug where clicking on multiple recipes simultaneously caused you to only be able to buy again the last one you clicked.
• Fixed a major bug where jungle creeps would not gain their base stats after revival.

 

[Almia]

Yay,its released!
+rep dude

 

[MogulKahn]

Gonna test it ! =D

 

[bhusta]

congratulations for the new beta release

 

[DeuceGorgon]

Hi. Good map. I have small question. I search answer 3 weeks. How i can make custom health bar over hero. Please i need to know.

 

[sonofjay]

Well done.

 

[Luorax]

Hi. Good map. I have small question. I search answer 3 weeks. How i can make custom health bar over hero. Please i need to know.

Those bars are made of 3 custom models: the background & level, the health and the resource (usually mana). The bars have 101 custom animations, which is periodically updated based on the hero's current health and remaining resource.

And before anyone would ask: no, I'm not giving away its code, models or textures. We've put enough work into them to say that they're ours. I've told everyone who asked how the system works (we didn't even had this luxury), that should be enough

 

[HammerFist132]

Well, a hell good way to start a year. I will try to promote this map on the Garena, and with my friends.

 

[DeuceGorgon]

Luorax and how i can change or where i can use/download model for Custom Bar. I need bar for my new map. Very please I need help.

 

[Ify90]

Looks very promising i will go and try the game now But by far from the customization and even the hero select from the screens i think it will be very good

 

[Luorax]

Looks very promising i will go and try the game now But by far from the customization and even the hero select from the screens i think it will be very good

Well, a hell good way to start a year. I will try to promote this map on the Garena, and with my friends.

Well done.

congratulations for the new beta release

Thanks for the kind words, and have fun playing the map

 

[Ify90]

Alright i will really need to play this in garena with people now

Since its way more like League of legends then Dota its perfect and all the new ideas and items really fit me
By that i mean :
AD/AP scaling - i love it , not failing as mage because your skills are good as when you max them and then ultra fail late game .
Tried 2 junglers it was fun
No deny mobs - great .
Still need to check more heroes , but from the once i saw there was no someting magicly owning you true the map or out of nowhere

I love the spider buff
I also Love the uber support gold item witch is like .... uber awesome

I think you should make the tower showing range by default off , but thats wayyyy optional . And also watching every single mob 20 lvl is not really interesting .

I'm looking forward to test it with people tomorow

 

[DeuceGorgon]

Bar :d

Hmm. I know only Triggering Custom Bar with IIIII DD
IIIII

and i want know how make custom bar . how add models I'm from this asshole.

 

[Luorax]

It all started with those

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4707/wc3scrnshot071611235435.jpg

The models IID uses cannot be downloaded from anywhere, they're custome ones made specifically for IID. You can get various cool ones though, like these:

http://www.thehelper.net/threads/loadingbars-tallybars-w-e-bars.142619/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/progresscastingbar-227064/?prev=search=bar&d=list&r=20
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/progressbar-v2-223392/?prev=search=bar&d=list&r=20

And also watching every single mob 20 lvl is not really interesting .

I think that's irrelevant. Their level is set 20 when they're spawned, because I thought 1 would look ugly It doesn't mean anything.

 

[Captivate]

Wow, will this replace dota? xD

 

[Luorax]

I highly doubt it

 

[RiotZ]

Refreshing to see an AoS with manly terrain.

 

[Ify90]

Nah it will not replace dota , all dota bots are probably moving to Dota 2
But will defenitly replace dota for all League players

 

[Luorax]

Refreshing to see an AoS with manly terrain.

Credits to Hellx, our terrainer What's funny is that first I was quite hesitant whether I should accept his help or not (the pictures he showed me were based on cityscape environment, that I really hate), but god, I'd regret it soooo damn hard if I had done it...

Nah it will not replace dota , all dota bots are probably moving to Dota 2
But will defenitly replace dota for all League players

It needs a lot of balancing, and propably bug-fixing too; but hey, it's just a beta Unfortunately, due to the lack of time because of school, we just couldn't play it any more - hopefully we'll get enough feedback and information to start. Next summer hopefully I'll be able to play it again, most likely with new heroes and features (yea, we're still full of ideas)

EDIt: man, I now recall what I completely forgot to do: fix the spot where the spawning pool missiles come from. Units that enter them are attacked and damage properly, of course, it's more like a visual bug. Damn... It'll be fixed in the next version

 

[Valandil]

Good terrain !

 

[I3lackDeath]

Well, what can I say, this is very impressive work.
Sure, there are some minor typos, but that's nothing to worry about.
I congratulate you and your team for finishing this project.
Kudos!

 

[Luorax]

Well, what can I say, this is very impressive work.
Sure, there are some minor typos, but that's nothing to worry about.
I congratulate you and your team for finishing this project.
Kudos!

*finishing the beta, you wanna say We'll keep fixing bugs, working on the balance and adding new, even more unique heroes in the future

Thanks. You know we couldn't have done this without you. I promised your name would be on the "Special Credits" list

 

[I3lackDeath]

*finishing the beta, you wanna say We'll keep fixing bugs, working on the balance and adding new, even more unique heroes in the future

Thanks. You know we couldn't have done this without you. I promised your name would be on the "Special Credits" list

I haven't done anything worthwhile.
Your team, and especially your terrainer, did a wonderful job.
This is really nice to look at, and makes my computer lagg (which is a good sign).

 

[DeuceGorgon]

and what now? i have downloaded model. How i can change. with trigger or what? I need Mana and Health bar .. I need max help please ... I want finish my map

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Luorax, i'm kind enough to remove my post here and make the first post yours

 

[Luorax]

Luorax, i'm kind enough to remove my post here and make it yours

Cuz' you're awesome Thanks.

EDIT:

I've already used it up; it's going to contain the WIP changelog of upcoming patches. Note that I might keep certain upcoming features in secret But bugfixes and balance changes can be followed, or even discussed based on that log.

 

[Luorax]

Okay, so a minion that takes 1 hit to be killed should be level 1, whereas a minion that takes 2 hits should be level 2? I don't know, it seems so irrelevant to me. But fine, if people want it, I can give creeps and minions different levels to indicate their strength.

 

[Ify90]

Okay, so a minion that takes 1 hit to be killed should be level 1, whereas a minion that takes 2 hits should be level 2? I don't know, it seems so irrelevant to me. But fine, if people want it, I can give creeps and minions different levels to indicate their strength.

Thats the spirit
maybe for every 250 hp = 1 lvl ? or so Well that level adjustment will make you find out routes in the jungle from where to where is easier to kill and level before going to the other camp

Also Crog Fizzlebolt E says [Q]
Also suggestion about combined items , maybe make the trigers way bigger , but if you make them to buy missing items will make the game faster , if you have the gold for the first item and click on the one you want to make to get the first item and skip the rest of the actions .
Something like Checking if you have that type of item , if yes next if no buy , and that way with all items .

 

[Luorax]

Also Crog Fizzlebolt E says [Q]

Oups Fixed.

Also suggestion about combined items , maybe make the trigers way bigger , but if you make them to buy missing items will make the game faster , if you have the gold for the first item and click on the one you want to make to get the first item and skip the rest of the actions .
Something like Checking if you have that type of item , if yes next if no buy , and that way with all items .

The problem with this would be that you always decide yourself which components you want to get first, based on your hero and the matchup.
It already does enough because it selects items that you already possess, etc, but it's not supposed to make decisions that you should make.

 

[Ify90]

Well it does not matter that much for the items You will just got to learn them all Was looking for way to making it faster .

Also Crog passive felt a bit too much , i was having hard time with the other junglers doing 3-4 camps with him i was just owning with the double lifesteal , i think the passive is a bit too much for a start , but try it yourself i started with the jungler item and spamed E and my health was always between 90-100% .

 

[Luorax]

Does it heal that much? Hmm. I'll do some calculations.

EDIT: so, at level 1, it does 4*20 damage to a single creep, making it 240 in total in one camp (but it's even higher because it ticks like 5-6 times in total). The passive heals for 75% of this damage, restoring 180 health. Hmm, that's kinda high.

 

[MogulKahn]

We can try to find 10 players and to play few games? =D

 

[Ify90]

If it was garena and my pc could have handle the Terrain , well i learned to play LoL before on 8 fps , now 14 ;D so i gues i can try if we make some group to play

 

[Luorax]

Well, I've made a Garena group, it's called "IID Official". Up to 49 people can join and organize games if they want to - but unfortunately, I can't join them.

 

[Ify90]

Well i think you need to say the ID not the name And you need to accept everyone by hand , so there are no autojoining bots or something

 

[Luorax]

I'm not really familiar with Garena groups, sorry I've only joined one so far.

The ID is: 150217

I can accept everyone manually; the PDF files I learn from are on my PC, I couldn't manage to print them in time, so I have to sit here most of the time anyways. I just can't afford to play.

 

[Frotty]

Well, it's cool that you got it released, but I have to say it's buggy as hell.

We encountered several annoying bugs and 1 gamebreaking bug: 1 player didn't revive.

I hade this shadow shade and an opponent had it too.

As you can see in the picture, my ultimate lastet forever when I first casted it. The SFX stayed until I casted another ability, the effect stayed tho. It only stopped when I casted the ultimate again.

screen

Secondly, the bloodmage (enemy) got into my range and therefore recieved the buff, this was working 3-4 times, after that, the buff stayed forever (my cd is rdy, he still has the buff):

screen

I could ony use Stalker 1 time, after that it required "-Invisibility".

screen

In the end kari's revivetimer got stuck:

screen

Also my screen resolution (1920x1050) wasn't selectable in the dialog.
Creepbuffs should be applied to all allies fighting them.

I could critique many more aspects, but I won't until the bugs are gone.
Imo the pvp action is too fast, there are too many instant- move/disable spells and pushing with melee is very hard.

 

[Luorax]

Does any of you have a replay of that game? It's always easier to find bugs if you can see what's happening.

Yea, I admit that I could only test things alone, or with only one friend of mine. Things might get out of control if there are a couple of people on the map. I fixed a lot of bugs in the past, and I've also already heard of like half of the ones you mentioned, but I never managed to reproduce them. Apparently, I also forgot to change Kerwyn's multiboard icon, which is kinda... awkward.

I can't help repeating myself: this is just a beta. I knew there are bugs here and there but I'm hoping that with the help of other people I can fix them all.

Thanks for reporting these bugs, and I hope that you can provide me with a replay file.

P.s: how did you manage to pick two Snodhars in one game? You are not supposed to be able to, due to efficiency reasons some spells are written abusing their cooldown or the fact that they can't be cast twice. I can't really recall Snodhar's code, but it might explain why those weird things happened.

P.s #2: choose the biggest resolution with the same aspect ratio. My monitor doesn't support that high resolution therefore I couldn't get the proper values for anything above 1600x1200.

 

[Frotty]

The Enemy picked it and I randomed it.

Here is the replay

 

[Luorax]

The Enemy picked it and I randomed it.

That awesome, because the the random pick includes protection, which apparently isn't working properly either. (I've been off working on the code for so long and had such a busy semester that I completely forgot how certain things are written >.<)

Okay, I'll investigate the replay and the code tomorrow. Thanks for the replay!

I'd recommend doing another game, but making sure none of you have the same hero.

Oh, and one more thing: Ability Power only affects those abilities that have Ability Power ratio; for example, it doesn't do anything on Snodhar. He's typically an AD assasin/frontliner, depending on how you build him.

 

[Frotty]

Well how should I know that?
I do no dmg normally so I think I'm a Mage and I guess Spells get power from SpellPower...
The tooltips aren't really helpful either.

 

[Luorax]

Well, I'll change Ability Power's description to the following in the "Information" menu:

Ability Power: Increases the damage of your spells that have Ability Power ratio and the damage you deal to towers.

Simply saying "Increases the damage of your spells" can be misleading, I agree. But you should understand, that for someone who knows perfectly how things work, everything seems so obvious.

EDIT:

Okay, so the opposite happened: you randomed a hero, and he picked the same one. I see, and true, there's no protection against that in the code. Silly me. Fixing it right now.

EDIT2:

So I've been testing Stalk and Shadow Smoke for like 20 minutes by now, I didn't manage to break any of them. Although using Inhale Shadow (W) makes the ultimate aura effect disappear, I've fixed that. Using Stalk (E) also didn't cancel the ulti, I've also fixed that.

As I said, I'd recommend doing another game, but making sure you get only one from each hero. If any of those bugs regarding Snodhar's spells occour again, you know where to find me with a replay.

I'll keep trying to break it again though or figure out what went wrong, and I'll also study the revive code.

 

[Luorax]

Okay, well I couldn't reproduce the Snodhar bugs, though I noticed that using Inhale Shadow removes the Shadow Smoke effect permanently, and that Stalk does not stop it. These are fixed. I assume those bugs only appeared because of the fact that there was two of them (because such thing never ever happened to us, nor did it happen yesterday when I used it like 50 times in a row), if not, please send me another replay.

I've also done changes to the revive code, hopefully that'll fix the issue.

The reason why I released it this early though is because some other, crucial bugs had to be fixed, like being able to pick the same hero twice, the jungle bosses not having proper stats, or the disappearing last lines from the tooltips.

 

[Ginufe]

Awesome! Going to download it!!

 

[WatsoN]

i can't get enough from this map allredy try each hero ! if i start to describe in details what i like about your map it's gona take me a weak im not much of a map-maker but i shure play them a lote , so i can pull qut some suggestions i guess ^_^ !! 1- the furst thing i notice тhат is mising is denied triger for the creep's, for pro players of this sort of game's this is really a black hole !! 2- is all abaut a first impression for beginers , when we play the map for furst time i notice that u put a lote of work on describing the heroes skill but not in the kind of way that u can learn what they do and what ther are before u pick the hero like : bufs , pvp or aoe magic or physical u find that afther u pick it , so it leaves kind of a feeling that u are cheated !! so this are the things i have my mind around i holpe u have meny more custom hero models skils from where these come from and motivation to creat a lote more combined properly working meaningful skill bild heroes like thouse ^_^ a lote more i holpe . the map is awesome 10/10

 

[Gavrich]

my pc bluescreens when i try to play this map,any1 else got this problem?

 

[WatsoN]

nope

so i have some bug's to report 1-nerubiqn ultimate dose not work , 2- on the place where is the warlock (the boss crep) spawns other strong enove mobs and is ugly situation if u did not kill them one by one before they made the ultimate gang bang creep spawn party killer team xaxaxa so . . . holpe u look on that soon

 

[Luorax]

i can't get enough from this map allredy try each hero ! if i start to describe in details what i like about your map it's gona take me a weak im not much of a map-maker but i shure play them a lote , so i can pull qut some suggestions i guess ^_^ !! 1- the furst thing i notice ?h?? is mising is denied triger for the creep's, for pro players of this sort of game's this is really a black hole !! 2- is all abaut a first impression for beginers , when we play the map for furst time i notice that u put a lote of work on describing the heroes skill but not in the kind of way that u can learn what they do and what ther are before u pick the hero like : bufs , pvp or aoe magic or physical u find that afther u pick it , so it leaves kind of a feeling that u are cheated !! so this are the things i have my mind around i holpe u have meny more custom hero models skils from where these come from and motivation to creat a lote more combined properly working meaningful skill bild heroes like thouse ^_^ a lote more i holpe . the map is awesome 10/10

Well, first of all I'm glad to hear that you like it

To answer your points:

1) Deny. I'm telling everyone right now that it's something that's NEVER going to be implemented. Last hitting enemy minions requires quite a lot of attention already, I don't want the whole laning phase to be all about killing the minions.

2) Basic things like Area of Effect, Damage over Time, and such things are not explained. Those are things people should be familiar with from WarCraft 3 itself. I only explained things that are new, like custom stats, and etcetera.

my pc bluescreens when i try to play this map,any1 else got this problem?

Hmm, no one has ever reported anything like that, it's been working perfectly for all the people I've sent it so far. It's kinda trigger-heavy though, so if there's something wrong with your PC (fans full of dust, for example), it can potentially push it beyond its limits, causing it to crash.

Also:
1) Anub'Theran's ultimate only targets enemy heroes.
2) I don't kinda get what you're trying to say with that. I did quite a lot of tests, and it the jungle boss code worked perfectly; Garrluk Spawns after 3 minutes, his acolytes are working. If you kill them, you can kill the acolytes. After 19 minutes, or after they respawn if they happen to be dead, the short cinematic is played and Craw'Nirrix spawns.