Dualism BETA

[HappyTauren]

@Garfield1337
GUI is not terrible and the only knowledge that you need as a game developer in regards to programing is in fact GUI. That's what I think atleast

That is completely incorrect, though. In order to make your game run smooth you have to know how to program, or at least script the language game needs to be scripted it. Without it, there has never been a GUI that is even remotely as efficient as a real scripting language.

Not to mention that people who do not learn the scripting language the game needs do not really understand what is actually going on in the code, and will never be able to debug things the right way.

Don't get me wrong, though, GUI is fine for many things, where you do not need to be efficient or run deep into the code. But if you are going to play with the engine to this extent, you have to get to the core, else it will be incredibly inefficient, laggy and buggy.

 

[Sverkerman]

@HappyTauren
Check the To-do list at the first page. Dualism is not finished until everything is in Vjass.

 

[HappyTauren]

Well, that's good, then. Though, make sure that you do not only convert it to vJass, but also make it efficient. It is one thing to simply convert thing, and another to redo and improve things, I know, because I used to terribly suck at those things xD

Also, I have yet to replay the whole demo and tell you about some suggestions (mostly on how to get rid of some wc3 stuff, that you can't get rid of otherwise).

 

[Sverkerman]

@HappyTauren
Of course we are going to rewrite it xD
Why would I just convert it into Vjass? That wouldn't improve anything ha-ha!

Also, I have yet to replay the whole demo and tell you about some suggestions (mostly on how to get rid of some wc3 stuff, that you can't get rid of otherwise).

Thank you! I really appreciate your dedication towards helping me to improve Dualism! Here, have some +rep

 

[HappyTauren]

@HappyTauren
Of course we are going to rewrite it xD
Why would I just convert it into Vjass? That wouldn't improve anything ha-ha!

I meant, when you switch to vJass, you simply do everything in a different way, the programming structure gets different, and you usually get hundreds upon hundreds of function calls less in the code, because you are more free to work with variables.

What I meant with just converting is that you shouldn't keep the structure the same and just convert it to vJass, but completely overhaul the way the systems work

 

[edo494]

with vJass you get tons and tons unneeded things than with Jass but still everyone uses vJass over Jass.
If it is simple there is no problem having plain jass, I personally use vJass only if its faster to make it than with Jass(structs with their this integer are better when you want MUI things over time with no hashtables)

 

[HappyTauren]

with vJass you get tons and tons unneeded things than with Jass but still everyone uses vJass over Jass.
If it is simple there is no problem having plain jass, I personally use vJass only if its faster to make it than with Jass(structs with their this integer are better when you want MUI things over time with no hashtables)

Except for, when you run optimizers and it suddenly inlines half the code. vJass is made with that in mind, among other things.

 

[Hoops]

with vJass you get tons and tons unneeded things than with Jass but still everyone uses vJass over Jass.

yeah object orientation is useless

I use both GUI and Vjass.

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GUI is not terrible and the only knowledge that you need as a game developer in regards to programing is in fact GUI. That's what I think atleast

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Nah. Most engines use flowcharts for visual scripting, which are rather simple. The in-depth stuff is made by pure, hard coding.

 

[edo494]

yeah object orientation is useless

If this is sarcasm, no vJass is not object orientated programming, its just habitat for normal programming.
And there are situations where you really dont need OOP, in Jass in fact, most of them

 

[shinji]

If you want to become a programmer, you have to learn computer language or something like that. My guitar teacher (Which is a programmer) told me that. And make sure that it is efficient. He's teaching me C+ a little bit.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

You forgot another plus :{P

 

[Hoops]

If this is sarcasm, no vJass is not object orientated programming, its just habitat for normal programming.

semantics

 

[shinji]

You forgot another plus :{P

Ohh... Sorry.

 

[mckill2009]

well, I dont think you can program in C++ with some GUI, you must type everything(Dev Cpp for example). I may be wrong tho
Well, thats why Nestharus makes videos about vJass trying to convert ppl from GUI to vJass to C++

Everything in front of you and your computer is GUI, even when using vJass, you click and write, so you cant see and use C++ without GUI ...

 

[shinji]

Everything in front of you and your computer is GUI, even when using vJass, you click and write, so you cant see and use C++ without GUI ...

Tama.

 

[Tanasren]

This is not the kind of games I like to play but recently i saw some videos about SCP games or Amnesia.
The map looks like Amnesia.

But it's a fantastic map.
I tested it because I saw it long ago on forums and I remembered the screenshots were awesome, so I thought "imma test the quality of this map, no matter if its a boring rpg"
How surprising, an horror map !! lol I tested only first 10 minutes though, i'm not used to jump while playing so I stopped xD.

I found the voice acting very impressive, althought i'm not english born but it convinced me, music, sounds, graphisms everything was awesome.
Some things you could improve imo : add a tooltip saying you can only save with the item (it will help dumb people ), it's hard to pick some items too because you can't look down, and the arrow movements are not very pleasant to use but I bet it's the best that can be done with WC3.

5/5

 

[Sverkerman]

@Tanasren
Thanks!

I will be updating Dualism this weekend most likely, I've been extremely busy with real life since school started all this time.

 

[RiotZ]

Terrain looks like high res spam. Could be fun though.

 

[Bloody_Turds]

lowest quality settings and/or lowest resolution causes wc3 to crash with no error message half way through the loading screen, on my computer. just a heads up

 

[HammerFist132]

I do not know is this bug and in this version, but: when at start zombie attacks u then u revive in hause. U need to find lamp in underground chamber, and when u try to exit u need to click stairs. If u click it many times even if screen is totaly black u will hear that sound of opening doors and going up to stairs many times also screen will flash many times too.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

I have no words for this 5/5 amazing job

 

[HammerFist132]

Btw map is rly fantastic. When I see what kind of maps get 5/5 I have no words to say except to anything except 5/5 is not realistic. Should improve some things, like for me terrain is too but too gray and we soon can talk about DC.

 

[Bugz]

Nice job m8.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

Im having some trouble with the camera it sudely starts to spin around or i loose controll of the character hope you fix it cuz the monsters are raping me because of the bugs xD

 

[LeThrow]

Its not dualism...its slenderman you know.4/5

 

[maddeem]

So is this dead already?

 

[Sverkerman]

@maddeem
no but I am busy with IRL stuff.

 

[Kanadaj]

Nice one, didn't think you would finish a map this soon Sverkerman

 

[Galagoz]

Nice!!!!

 

[Cdvftrejh]

Um hi I'm really itching to try this game. Can you add a version for older warcrafts??

Edit: I'm sorry for that. I've finally found a way to play it.

Edit2:It was awesome! Thought I was kinda startled at the beginning monster XD 5/5

 

[HappyTauren]

Wc3:TFT is not much to ask for, on a modding site, I believe.

 

[Statharas]

EEEEEEEEpic mate. Deserves Director's cut.

 

[Linaze]

This map seems promising. However it lags too much on my PC for me to properly test it, I'm afraid.

 

[Sverkerman]

@Linaze
I'm sorry about that. I kind of overkilled the WC3 engine making this game however the majority of computers can handle it.

 

[blit_40912]

sir, I can't seem to run the map. I have patches 1.24d,b,e 1.25b 1.20 1.21?? please help :O

 

[Sverkerman]

@blit
Make sure that you are running WC3 Frozen Throne on High settings and not Medium or Low.

 

[Karassu]

Comment to Dualism

Highly Recommended? What the ****... This map deserves a Director's Cut rating... Is it just me or the Moderator (I don't know him/her) is just full of pride that he/she doesn't wanna give such a better rating? This map is way better than any maps I've seen before, even better than any moderator's maps... (You may ban me after this, pridey moderator)
Anyway, great job... This map is the best! Recommended for Horror game lovers. You sir, should be promoted to being a moderator! You know the best about mapping I think...
Member's Rating: (Director's Cut)

 

[maddeem]

Highly Recommended? What the ****... This map deserves a Director's Cut rating... Is it just me or the Moderator (I don't know him/her) is just full of pride that he/she doesn't wanna give such a better rating? This map is way better than any maps I've seen before, even better than any moderator's maps... (You may ban me after this, pridey moderator)
Anyway, great job... This map is the best! Recommended for Horror game lovers. You sir, should be promoted to being a moderator! You know the best about mapping I think...
Member's Rating: (Director's Cut)

Your opinion isn't even slightly biased!
You sir are a hero!
You have a great rebuttal against what the moderator rated this map, obviously their opinion is pure biased and they have become delusional and illogical. These moderators with years of experience have absolutely no idea how to rate maps nowadays.
Let us overthrow this oppressive staff and place you at the pinnacle of this new era of undeniable logic!

Hidden

For situations like this, I believe sarcasm is necessary.
But I honestly couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic, if so then... ignore the above.

 

[Linaze]

@Linaze
I'm sorry about that. I kind of overkilled the WC3 engine making this game however the majority of computers can handle it.

Yeah. My PC is an ancient Toshiba laptop from the 80s (okay, maybe it's not that old, but still) that doesn't run any high-end games or other demanding applications fluidly.

However, once I get my hands on a proper computer I'll try to remember to check this out.

 

[Sverkerman]

@Linaze
Thanks a lot kind sir!

 

[blit_40912]

runs now tnx

 

[Sverkerman]

@blit 40912
Great! Let me know what you think of it

 

[blit_40912]

quite heavy and scary 0_O

 

[Statharas]

Your opinion isn't even slightly biased!
You sir are a hero!
You have a great rebuttal against what the moderator rated this map, obviously their opinion is pure biased and they have become delusional and illogical. These moderators with years of experience have absolutely no idea how to rate maps nowadays.
Let us overthrow this oppressive staff and place you at the pinnacle of this new era of undeniable logic!

Hidden

For situations like this, I believe sarcasm is necessary.
But I honestly couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic, if so then... ignore the above.

If the creator of the map is not happy with the rating he received, he can always use http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact-692/ .

If you wanted my opinion, this map does deserve a director's cut.

 

[edo494]

even the name suggests this to not be DC, its beta, its expected to have bugs and it certainly has.
I still dont understand why you released incomplete map(I understand this) and then just passed to develop another map

 

[HappyTauren]

As I've said already, I'd give this map a DC for the effort and 4 or even 3 for what you get to play and how enjoyable it is (and how polished). That's because wc3's own limitations get in the way of EVERYTHING during the gameplay, and it's really not author's fault, but yes, the amount of effort is immense.

 

[Sverkerman]

@HappyTauren
That's a very fair judgement and actually made me happy
If you didn't already know I am working on a new multiplayer map called SvD. I'm going to make a development thread as soon as I get the logo for it finished.

 

[bisnar13]

Very nice! It kinda reminds me of games ilike Alan Wake and skyrim lol 5/5!

It's nice except for some stuff.
-Lags slightly on my pc
-The name of some units are like "Selectable Stairs" and "Selectable Doors" lol just remove the selectable, if you want this to be more understandable when developing the map then put it as a Editor Suffix. Also the levers and chests that have numbers.
-When you get close to walls or other items you'll see through them
-At the beginning in the swamp I think, your view is low, its like you're a child or the trees are so tall and big.
-One time that I died, I was able to move around the map and found some places like the mansion something, and the place where there are golden statues, and other stuff
-Onetime, when I loaded my save, the music was for normal warcraft games
-Sometimes, when you don't walk, the walking sound still plays.

Suggestions:
-Allow a player to look lower or higher, because sometimes you can't see items below you, if you're close.
-Add a cinematic at the beginning of the character recieving a mail in his home, then put the one you posted in the plot in the mail. So that it would be more understandable without reading the description here.
-Please add a map D: Its kinda confusing, when you run out of oil

Will add more comments later, I kinda got lost in the forest part lol.

If you need doodad models, please tell me

 

[Sverkerman]

@bisnar13
Thank you for the suggestions! I've made a list with stuff to work on as soon as SvD is complete.