Dualism BETA

[FRENGERS]

LoL'z i still get FATAL ERROR

 

[Sverkerman]

@-Kobas-
Thank you for the well thought through map review dear -Kobas-!
+rep

@takezandgoez
Very nice review. I do listen to my followers it's just that some people are not here to give me reviews but to troll and put me down, something which I dislike ;P

@Vista sucks
I'll check if I can get some kind of software that can make you keybind WASD to the arrow keys.

I payed for all the 2D artwork, hosting of our homepage and some of the voiceacting. I don't see a problem with spending money on WC3 because it is something which I care about and I would really concider making maps my hobby. There are loads of people who spend up to thousands of dollars on their hobbies so if I spend $500 over the course of 7 months I don't see a problem with it





Thanks everyone for your opinions on my project! I will soon present to you a full list of things which I intend to change and improve before moving on to finishing Dualism!

I've also started a new project which I will provide a link to very shortly so if you are a fan of what I am creating it might be worth checking out!

 

[edo494]

If you still take suggestions, you could create a system which checks if Im too close to items and if I am point the camera a little bit more to ground. Some potions are hardly clickable because they are not floating high enough.
Either that or make the potions etc float a little bit higher

 

[mckill2009]

This certainly is going to be a director's cut!

 

[Sverkerman]

Here is the list for now!

Bugs:
Bug where you are "teleported" behind the pathing blockers of the road.
Monsters do not have locust.
Forgot to remove the names of all units.
Forgot to add Trigger - Turn off trigger at a event where a monster sound is played inside the forest.
You can still move while being dead.
Missing a pathing blocker at the "hay house"

Improvements:

• Actions
  • Game - Enable selection and deselection functionality (Disable selection circles)
  • Game - Disable drag-selection functionality (Disable drag-selection box)
  • Game - Enable pre-selection functionality (Disable pre-selection circles, life bars, and object info)

Hide all units outside of a 1000 range of the player.
Increase interracting range from 300 to 450.
Add text to the third unused door where you find the cogwheel when pressed to not confuse the player.
Set all units' selection size to -1 in object editor so the screen won't be filled with floating healthbars all the time.
Make the "Run" be activated by double tapping the forward arrowkey.
Put Save Spots more often.
Add credits to all wonderful helpers and resource creators for the map thread!
Add text to when you die.
Do not disable movement for the owl in the forest.
Add even more detail to the forest as -Kobas- suggested.
Add support collums in the cellar.
Contact Hylke about merging GUI main systems into Vjass.
Make some potions float abit higher.
Remove unused improted material.

 

[HappyTauren]

I've encountered the bug where I go through the wall and then my hero has no collision, so I can go on and on. fly above everything and stuff. I didn't get to play much of the map, but it is not my style.

One thing more to mention, I think you shouldn't have bothered with wc3 engine for this one as it is simply shit for any kind of first person camera/gameplay. The "FPS game in wc3" idea was only partially good back when RtC came out, but now it is really terrible.

Also, a lot of sound acting is either distorted or completely feelingless. It was a nice effort to include this feature at all, but could've been a lot better.

Terrain and objects are clipping the camera terribly.
Overall, I would give a ten for the effort, and a three for what you actually get. There are many more enjoyable maps out there, so all the highest marks for this project will go for the effort, and not the actual game. I know it is a beta, but I know some aspects won't be improved much because of wc3's limits. I would be extremely happy if you'd prove me wrong by the time this has reached the stable 1.0.

 

[WindowsVistaSucks]

I payed for all the 2D artwork, hosting of our homepage and some of the voiceacting. I don't see a problem with spending money on WC3 because it is something which I care about and I would really concider making maps my hobby. There are loads of people who spend up to thousands of dollars on their hobbies so if I spend $500 over the course of 7 months I don't see a problem with it

Makes sense. I usually spend over $2000 for a trip over in the USA to snowboard lol. And that only lasts for 2-4 weeks >_>

Also, a lot of sound acting is either distorted or completely feelingless. It was a nice effort to include this feature at all, but could've been a lot better.

Its hard to find young "professional" voice actors lol.

 

[HappyTauren]

Its hard to find young "professional" voice actors lol.

Yeah, not everybody has the Blizzard North team.

 

[Allain55X]

Would like to try this one... When this map is not yet realease in here, many says this is interesting! And I think so too. Will say my comments about map after I download the map!

EDIT after playing the game: Damn! I didnt play the game for at least 10 minutes cuz it really chills me. Nice map so scary that makes it realistic! The 1st person camera is the one that makes the map so scary... Next time, ill try to last for 30 minutes or more... HERE's A REP for the cool map.

 

[Sverkerman]

@HappyTauren

I've encountered the bug where I go through the wall and then my hero has no collision, so I can go on and on. fly above everything and stuff

The bug you've encountered is happening when you die and enter a event which calls ReleaseCameraUnit.

One thing more to mention, I think you shouldn't have bothered with wc3 engine for this one as it is simply shit for any kind of first person camera/gameplay.

You are right
I'm trying to do the impossible with Warcraft 3.
I think I did a pretty good attempt tho.

Also, a lot of sound acting is either distorted or completely feelingless. It was a nice effort to include this feature at all, but could've been a lot better.

Yea, It is certainly not the best voiceacting out there but in my opinion it serves it purpose pretty well. Also, the less experienced game developers (people who actually just play Warcraft 3 maps) wont look at the voice acting as "fake" as most reviewers which I've gotten tells me they are. My aim with it is to be completely random and "force" the player to find a explenation to the events which accours inside the texts. The best way to satisfy a player is to make him think on his own, then show him that what he came up with was true. A good example of this inside Dualism is inside the cellar where you read about the Janitor. In his last document you get the feeling that he is going totally insane and is about to commit suicide. Almost instantly after this document finishes you are proven to be correct by the game playing the sound of a man falling into nothing but emptyness close to a huge hole.



I will do my best for 1.0! Thanks for your wise words, elder of the Hive.


@Vista sucks
Thanks for the rating buddy! ;D

 

[Zunariel]

I am sorry, for me such games are always too scary so I stopped playing after 5 min but that is your evidence for a perfect made horror games it really scares me like a silent hill or Project Zero scared me ^^, very well done. And in my opinion the voice acting is awesome for an amateur and it really fits.

 

[zerg6006]

@.@ Thunk'z.... And ok.... Hope there are not crashed thing'z
EDIT: It'z crashed Y.Y Why Y.Y!! FATAL ERROR it said Y.Y Please help me Y.Y WHYY Y.Y

it needs war31.26

 

[shinji]

it needs war31.26

Plus, you have to set everything to high.

 

[Fusion.Ashmedai]

HOLY F*** BRO THIS IS EPIC!!!one!1!
At first, I thought like,
meh, what the hell this is a warcraft 3 game, some old engine couldn't possibly handle effects that can scare me but this is damn epic bro, not just the sounds but the damn horizon is dark with birds flying out and crap, mixed with the sounds of wailing banshees and the epic voices.
I totally disagree with the peeps saying the voices aren't nice, well they aren't voices that i would put in let's say a TV show but in this game, with the mood and all its perfect. The slight oldish, low quality tone and the kind of rustic way it recorded really kills it.
Sometimes, I don't really finish the text coz i keep feeling like oh damn somethings gonna pop out and i can't just stand there reading the journals.
EPIC GAME 5/5

 

[mckill2009]

now it doesnt make sense that this project cost a $ ...unless you buy an editing software...

 

[HappyTauren]

It makes sense, when you pay 2D art and voice acting?

 

[xorkatoss]

It makes sense, when you pay 2D art and voice acting?

not when people are offering to do 2D art and voice acting for free
but i guess Sverk wasn't lucky enough to find that kind of people?

 

[HappyTauren]

but i guess Sverk wasn't lucky enough to find that kind of people?

Probably.

 

[dragof]

i played trough the start of the map to the basement and i must say its very well done and i really like the sound effects(are they from amnesia?). Tough i do feel like its quite a pain picking items up from a chest with the camera angle(please tell if i missed a way to change it)

 

[Kingz]

This project has so far costed me over $550 and taken me over 1100 hours to create.

Only thing which makes sense to me is that he bought some graphic/modeling software for that amount of money?

Anyhow nice to see this released.

 

[mckill2009]

Ok, does this map requires a high quality graphic engine, more ram, fast cpu?, coz at the moment I really cant play this...
I've waited for 1 minute but still loading halfway...or should I wait more?...I have a 4gRAM, B960, and capable of playing SC2 and Call of Duty...

 

[WindowsVistaSucks]

I have a 4gRAM

That's kinda small I have 22 RAM lol. Could be an old pc? Or its just not clean lol

 

[HappyTauren]

That's kinda small I have 22 RAM lol. Could be an old pc? Or its just not clean lol

Not sure if trolling or server.

 

[mckill2009]

That's kinda small I have 22 RAM lol. Could be an old pc? Or its just not clean lol

WC3 can even be played on 128MB but ofc it will lag...so your answer does not help and doesnt make sense...

 

[Cacciatore]

what the hell?
100 mb only for a warcraft 3 map?

 

[maddeem]

what the hell?
100 mb only for a warcraft 3 map?

That sir, spells quality.

 

[HappyTauren]

Nope, that spells quantity, this has a long way to go to be quality, though it will never reach its potential because of wc3's own bugs and limitations.

 

[xorkatoss]

Ok, does this map requires a high quality graphic engine, more ram, fast cpu?, coz at the moment I really cant play this...
I've waited for 1 minute but still loading halfway...or should I wait more?...I have a 4gRAM, B960, and capable of playing SC2 and Call of Duty...

i don't think so, my CPU is single core 2.40GHz and 3GB RAM and i can play it just fine at High Graphics even with this shit laptop.

That's kinda small I have 22 RAM lol. Could be an old pc? Or its just not clean lol

22MB RAM? because not even in your dreams you are getting a 22GB RAM;D

offtopic:
yes vista does suck

Nope, that spells quantity, this has a long way to go to be quality, though it will never reach its potential because of wc3's own bugs and limitations.

so true, Dualism would have been so much better if Sverk bought a game engine or got a free one instead of using WC3 but i guess he had to start from something, he might consider making Dualism a client game at some point.

 

[Sverkerman]

@xorkatoss
I'm here to learn how to make proper games. I wish to become a Game Designer. Once I feel that I got enough knowledge to move on to another engine I will do so and spend all my savings on a Game Developing Company. As for right now I am experimenting with different game ideas and trying to figure out what my first actual game is going to be.

My current project is SvD which I am going to make a post about within a week or so. I'll post a link to it up here too for all of my followers to inspect
Don't worry tho, I will have a lot of time to work on Dualism Beta to fix all of the bugs apart from SvD.
Dualism 1.0 will be created after SvD is done.

 

[HeroSlayer]

@xorkatoss
I'm here to learn how to make proper games. I wish to become a Game Designer. Once I feel that I got enough knowledge to move on to another engine I will do so and spend all my savings on a Game Developing Company. As for right now I am experimenting with different game ideas and trying to figure out what my first actual game is going to be.

My current project is SvD which I am going to make a post about within a week or so. I'll post a link to it up here too for all of my followers to inspect
Don't worry tho, I will have a lot of time to work on Dualism Beta to fix all of the bugs apart from SvD.
Dualism 1.0 will be created after SvD is done.

I would like to join your team

 

[Cacciatore]

That sir, spells quality.

thats just download another game, lol

 

[neo_sluf]

This map will never gonna be a DIRECTOR'S CUT if SVERKERMAN never fix the CAMERA SYSTEM.

I cant really run as fast as i could cause i always bump from the objects.I hate that camera! But everything works fine,
I really scared when playing this so i never put the volume to high cause the sound is very scary.

4/5- FIX THE CAMERA PLEASE....SLOW

 

[EasterEggs]

Amnesia? LOL

 

[Xthreo]

Seems awesome downloading now

 

[xorkatoss]

thats just download another game, lol

can you really find a game that's good and only about 100mb? lol..
idk about you guys but i expect the Full Dualism to be atleast 300mb;D

This map will never gonna be a DIRECTOR'S CUT if SVERKERMAN never fix the CAMERA SYSTEM.

I cant really run as fast as i could cause i always bump from the objects.I hate that camera! But everything works fine,
I really scared when playing this so i never put the volume to high cause the sound is very scary.

4/5- FIX THE CAMERA PLEASE....SLOW

lol...you know it's not that bad when you get use to it, but using the camera and movement system that was used in http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/sharpshooter-online-v1-20b-98378/ map could make an improvement

Amnesia? LOL

Amnesia
as
F*ck

lol jk, it does have some sounds from Amnesia though

Seems awesome downloading now

hope you like it

 

[Hoops]

My current project is SvD which I am going to make a post about within a week or so.

i'll be waiting

 

[shinji]

How long is the gameplay of this game? I'm having trouble at the dining section ATM.

 

[Sverkerman]

The map is no longer approved it seems as it lacks credits, also there are a lot of bugs and improvements which I need to deal with.

Expect a new improved version tomorrow and sorry about the delay, I've been busy with SvD and school.

 

[Animalpower]

It does not work for me. The loading bar stops in the middle of loading.

 

[Sverkerman]

It does not work for me. The loading bar stops in the middle of loading.

Check your Warcraft 3 version and the graphic settings which you are playing on.

 

[Animalpower]

I know its the latest, I do not know why you mention the graphic settings.

 

[Garfield1337]

How come you still use GUI after 7 years of experience?

 

[HappyTauren]

How come you still use GUI after 7 years of experience?

I was actually going to ask this.

Also, as for graphic settings, they must be all set to high so that compressed textures do not look like shit, and so that light objects do not burn with half the intensity, causing you not to see anything. It is mostly that "lighting" and "textures" must be set to high.

 

[Sverkerman]

I use both GUI and Vjass.

 

[Garfield1337]

I use both GUI and Vjass.

According to .j file, the only vJass in your map is from few imported systems, about 90% of the code is GUI.

 

[mckill2009]

some people preffer to stick with GUI and there's nothing bad about it...the most important part is this map
is awesome although I still cant load this, so I'm pissed off...

 

[Garfield1337]

some people preffer to stick with GUI and there's nothing bad about it...the most important part is this map
is awesome although I still cant load this, so I'm pissed off...

If he's trying to learn game development, he shouldn't stick with GUI. Jass isn't great either, but GUI is terrible.

 

[Sverkerman]

@Garfield1337
GUI is not terrible and the only knowledge that you need as a game developer in regards to programing is in fact GUI. That's what I think atleast

 

[edo494]

well, I dont think you can program in C++ with some GUI, you must type everything(Dev Cpp for example). I may be wrong tho
Well, thats why Nestharus makes videos about vJass trying to convert ppl from GUI to vJass to C++

 

[moyackx]

GUI is inefficient as hell, I just noticed you GUIed for the slow camera movement. Really, this project can be greatly improved with good vJASS libraries, like the camera system I suggested.