I believe...

[ArcticInferno]

Some people spend their lives in pursuit of truth, and that's why they care and that's what matters to them, they're not content.

I however agree with the two above posts. Personally.

 

[Hakeem]

What is going to happen to me if I do not accept that your assertions are true?

I don't want bad stuff to happen to me. If something bad might happen to me, I want to know about it so I can find a way to prevent it.

 

[bounty hunter2]

lol you do believe in teleportation but you cannot believe the world is round?

That's a bit off.

Sarcasm is an interesting thing.

 

[The_wand_mirror]

Sarcasm is an interesting thing.

It's just shallow -.-

 

[Pyritie]

Meh, spherical world makes more sense to me than a flat world does.

 

[Velmarshal]

What I believe is:
1.fluoride is bad for you.
2.tech is good.
3.you have definitely gone of your tracks. Or you are just screwing around with entire THW.

 

[The_Silent]

That the world is flat, Hive. Yes, you have heard me correctly. And what I'd like you to do is prove me wrong.

To aid the rational discourse, I have constructed a list of what I think is correct:

• The Earth is flat.
• All science is wrong, especially cartography.
• All technology is evil (particularly bar code technology)
• Fluoridated water is a socialist plot to take over the world.
• Zippers are a symbol of round oppression. As such, no pants must be worn, with the exception of those without zippers, such as button fly jeans.

I would very much so like you to pick up on all and every of those points.

You've actually removed all logic AND removed all ways to prove you removed all logic. How to prove a scientific fact, when you don't believe in scientistic facts?

But by the way, my question to you would then be: Can you prove science wrong and yout teory right?

For some reason you people are comparing 'gravity' in and poles to 'prove' that the earth is round when it is in fact, quite obviously, flat.

Learn what magnetism is. The poles have nothing to do with your 'gravity'.

No, but poles could not exist in a flat world, unles you got two big fat magnetic mountains on each side of you so called flat world to create ''false'' poles for your compass to point at. And how would you then explain Polar turning.

Besides gravity would to be inexistent, unless your socalled ''flat world'' spinned faster than the speed of sound... And a spinning of that speed would cause the world either to fall apart, or create gravity which would suck the world into the middle, and then again create a round world!

But ofcause, if you don't trust science, i can't really prove this to you

 

[Ash]

I'll call game here, I've had my fun. You've all been trolled, and trolled rather well, if I can say so myself. Obviously I don't believe the Earth's flat -- or do I? -- and this was all part of my 1,000 post celebration.

It's been an interesting thing to do, going on like this, and it's been fun to see what you did. In the spirit of Ghan's April Crap retirement thread, 'I hope you learned', and all that jazz.

However, what was interesting was the fact that nobody could, honestly, argue against the Earth being flat. The closest somebody came was saying that you never really know, which you don't, and I respect him for that.

The point at hand is this, though. You really, really, can't be sure on things. You're told countless titbits of information everyday, and you all take them in unfathomably and think they're right. You never really know. Things you're taught in Primary School, gravity, basic maths, etc, have all been proven wrong, yet it wouldn't surprise me if somebody here still believes they're right.

Yeah, I did this because I got a massive kick out of it, I love the odd fun argument, and I didn't do it with spite, but seriously. Don't read everything you're told to read, and don't do everything you're told to do.

Fun times.

HAPPY 1,000 POSTS!

EDIT: Just to keep the ball rolling, I'll still argue the Earth's flat. I mean, I have evidence and the what not, so I don't see why this thread can't continue.

 

[ArcticInferno]

I was watching the post count rise everyday and the more I couldn't be bothered to read it at all. Lol.

I thought the pants part was pretty much a joke, though

 

[Tyranid]

Wait.. people took this seriously?

 

[ArcticInferno]

Almost everyone did... I think. My first post came with a (if you are serious). I doubted it. But I still gave a serious arguement, so...

 

[Captain Griffen]

I'm alive and living happily in my little bubble of ignorance. I am not dead, nor am I in any sort of agony. I am perfectly content.

Why should I give a shit if the world is flat or round? Ok, suppose you find out the truth. Then what?

Who gives a fuck. "Ignorance is bliss" and all that..

They came for the Jews, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Jew.

You've actually removed all logic AND removed all ways to prove you removed all logic. How to prove a scientific fact, when you don't believe in scientistic facts?

Science never proved anything logically. Science never proves anything. It demonstrates, but cannot prove. Dismissing science does not mean you have to throw out logic.

Note I'm refering to deductive logic, but adopting inductive logic doesn't help you as, a) inductive logic has no real reason to work without using circular logic, and b) never proves anything, as the premises can all be true, the argument good, but the conclusion false.

 

[ike_ike]

I'd like to point out I have a zip with *ROUNDED* teeth.

Hah!

 

[Elenai]

My question would be...

Why lie about the world being flat? Why say it is round? Wouldn't one of the various thousands of reputable astrophysicists and other space related scientific minds speak out against such a fallacy if it were so truly named?

There are always rebels in the group.

 

[Gilles]

The point at hand is this, though. You really, really, can't be sure on things. You're told countless titbits of information everyday, and you all take them in unfathomably and think they're right. You never really know. Things you're taught in Primary School, gravity, basic maths, etc, have all been proven wrong, yet it wouldn't surprise me if somebody here still believes they're right.

So what should I do when someone tells me something? Is everything I learned in school a lie?

 

[Elenai]

Basic math is wrong?

1+1=?

1+1=2 forever and always. One object, with another object of equal properties set along side such object in a grouping, is a group of two of thus said objects. It is not three, nor zero.

Basic maths retain their hold.

off topic note: gravity disproved?

Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

 

[PurplePoot]

lol you do believe in teleportation but you cannot believe the world is round?

That's a bit off.

How is it that electrons are able to pass from one area to another without passing through a boundary in between them that leaves no possible way through, if not by a form of what you term 'teleportation'?

--

But still, now that apparently we can stop pretending now, this was fun.

Wait.. people took this seriously?

It's a sad, sad world out there. Heck, one of the main points was a reference to Dr. Strangelove, as I said on page 2...

So what should I do when someone tells me something? Is everything I learned in school a lie?

Yes, it's a simplication to the level of absurdity and gross inaccuracy in many cases. However, the point is that you should think critically.

It's fine to say you don't know and couldn't care less, but then don't go around telling other people about it and such. Just shut it and let the people who have looked into it talk about it.

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

A very large one (the moon), actually. That's what tides are. Ever heard of the term 'tidal forces'? They didn't just come up with that name by coincidence.

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I'm not convinced many people here understand what they don't understand about gravitation and otherwise (that is to say, recognize their ignorance).

 

[Ash]

Basic math is wrong?

1+1=?

1+1=2 forever and always. One object, with another object of equal properties set along side such object in a grouping, is a group of two of thus said objects. It is not three, nor zero.

Basic maths retain their hold.

Gravity's different to gravitation. And as for maths... (wait for the edit)

EDIT:

16-36=25-45
16-36+(9/2)^2=25-45+(9/2)^2
16-36+(9/2)^2=[4-(9/2)]^2
25-45+(9/2)^2=[5-(9/2)]^2
[4-(9/2)]^2=[5-(9/2)]^2
4-(9/2)=5-(9/2)
4=5

(I've had a run through this, I'm not 100% on it so it's subject to change)

So what should I do when someone tells me something? Is everything I learned in school a lie?

I didn't say everything is a lie, and it's certainly jumping the gun a bit by saying that. What I did say is that everyone accepts things far too easily, instead of saying 'okay, that's right', you should say 'okay, why is that right'.

 

[The_wand_mirror]

But still, now that apparently we can stop pretending now, this was fun.

Yap.

 

[Elenai]

A very large one (the moon), actually. That's what tides are. Ever heard of the term 'tidal forces'? They didn't just come up with that name by coincidence.

I was pointing out contradiction in the flat earth society FAQ.

(I've had a run through this, I'm not 100% on it so it's subject to change)

1+1 still = 2.

 

[Zelda.Alex]

Ash have you stopped the play or is it still going on?

 

[Captain Griffen]

My question would be...

Why lie about the world being flat? Why say it is round? Wouldn't one of the various thousands of reputable astrophysicists and other space related scientific minds speak out against such a fallacy if it were so truly named?

There are always rebels in the group.

So you want a reputable astrophysicist to come out and say the world is flat?

And you want this in a world where anyone saying that is immediately disreputable, sacked, and never able to find employment again (and branded a nutter by the media, if they even report it)?

Can't you see that what you're waiting for is impossible?

So what should I do when someone tells me something? Is everything I learned in school a lie?

You find that so hard to believe? Afterall, the North Koreans and the Americans both were the first to land on the moon.

 

[Elenai]

Can't you see that what you're waiting for is impossible?

Well, until it is done, the earth remain round.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Well, until it is done, the earth remain round.

For all X, if X says the world is round, X is not respectable.

Therefore, there cannot exist a Y such that Y is respectable and Y says that the world is round.

 

[Ash]

Ash have you stopped the play or is it still going on?

Yeah, ended it on the previous page.

Well, until it is done, the earth [sic] remain round.

Actually, take a look at my list of references

Everything I've said has been based on fact, opinion, other peoples discoveries, y'know.

 

[brad.dude03]

Epic troll Ash, too funny.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

So what should I do when someone tells me something? Is everything I learned in school a lie?

You people fail to see the point. It is not whether the information is right or wrong. But in our modern community, the world is round. In our schools, in our countries, among our people, it is accepted that the world is round.

You can go cry in the corner, searching for the ultimate truths of life, or you can blend into the inevitable submission of the shallow mind.

It is inevitable, stop fighting it.

 

[azlier]

If the earth were flat and you could not reach the edge due to strong gravity, would this gravity not cause the edges of this flat world to curl inward?

 

[Ash]

If the earth were flat and you could not reach the edge due to strong gravity, would this gravity not cause the edges of this flat world to curl inward?

I think you should read the whole thread before commenting

 

[Anachron]

Ash this is nor funny or awesome, its just a piece of shit I don't care about. Oh well, and I've lost all my respect to you. Congratulation.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Lawl, 1000th post celebration?

Lrn2postmoar.

~~~

I know this is over, but I have a question:
You mentioned as one of your "tenants" that, and I quote:

All technology is evil (particularly bar code technology)

My question is that, regardless of whether or not you regard all technology as "evil", that does not add nor detract from the validity of it's logic or findings. "Good" and "bad" are often subjective, and "evil" scientists can still discover truth.

Thus, I submit that we could use technology to prove the Earth's round-osity.

~~~

Further, you gave a beach-ball example, of how we would all slide off the top. Since each object in space exerts a gravitational pull on other nearby objects proportional to it's size in relation to those other objects, the Earth (being round) would pull us all into it's center. However, since the Earth is solid (something upon which I feel we both can agree ), we stop at the crust.

 

[Gilles]

I didn't say everything is a lie, and it's certainly jumping the gun a bit by saying that. What I did say is that everyone accepts things far too easily, instead of saying 'okay, that's right', you should say 'okay, why is that right'.

Fair enough, and I was trying to say I can also...

'okay, that seems reasonable.'

Which is basically 'why', but without really delving into it fully. I just suck at expressing myself apparently.

 

[Ash]

Lawl, 1000th post celebration?

Lrn2postmoar.

I can't quite see what you're trying to prove here, is it that you have less of a life than me, or that your e-penis is huge or what? :s

I know this is over, but I have a question:
You mentioned as one of your "tenants" that, and I quote:

My question is that, regardless of whether or not you regard all technology as "evil", that does not add nor detract from the validity of it's logic or findings. "Good" and "bad" are often subjective, and "evil" scientists can still discover truth.

Thus, I submit that we could use technology to prove the Earth's round-osity.

However, every argument posed thus far has been countered by an -- as far as we're all aware -- equally valid flat earth theory point.

Further, you gave a beach-ball example, of how we would all slide off the top. Since each object in space exerts a gravitational pull on other nearby objects proportional to it's size in relation to those other objects, the Earth (being round) would pull us all into it's center. However, since the Earth is solid (something upon which I feel we both can agree ), we stop at the crust.

Go read my big post, I've already answered this.

Fair enough, and I was trying to say I can also...

'okay, that seems reasonable.'

Which is basically 'why', but without really delving into it fully. I just suck at expressing myself apparently.

Ah, but by saying something seems reasonable you're not really disputing it. I can understand why you would say it, however it's still not doing anything any favours.

You don't suck at expressing yourself, if you did I would have told you to gtfo, so don't think that at all.

 

[Dickwand]

You're crazy.

 

[Kyrbi0]

I can't quite see what you're trying to prove here, is it that you have less of a life than me, or that your e-penis is huge or what? :s

Definitely the lack of life. xD

 

[Rising_Dusk]

However, every argument posed thus far has been countered by an -- as far as we're all aware -- equally valid flat earth theory point.

Except, well, the fact that experimentation confirms theory. If you say that all science is wrong, then all experimentation should disagree with all theory. That some of it does agree proves you incorrect by contradiction.

 

[Captain Griffen]

What experimentation? The experimentation we're told about? Like the North Koreans landing on the Moon?

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I was thinking more along the lines of experiments we can verify ourselves. I can go into my lab at my university and confirm all of electromagnetic theory and classical mechanics as well as a sizable portion of many other things. You can come to my university, spend a week with me, and I'd be happy to show you some of it.

 

[Hakeem]

The only trolling going on here is that people are using the word "trolling" to describe what is going on here, in an effort to annoy me. This is a fairly common exercise. I did if briefly in my science class.

But I really would have liked to hear some grand conspiracy theories.

a world where anyone saying that is immediately disreputable, sacked, and never able to find employment again (and branded a nutter by the media, if they even report it)

The does pose a problem doesn't it? In an effort to remove ourselves from that negative effect, I suggest studying religious history for accuracy. If it's supports the Bible of any other proclaimed divine work, will you reject it as so many reject it and the idea of a flat Earth?

---

'Cuz I'm betting that even after all this, a lot of you still will. Why? Simply because you believe something in opposition to divine works and other forms of evidence that give credence to the idea that there are powers beyond our own. Even with the full knowledge that you are logically a hypocrite, you will stand by your beliefs. You believe that there is some uncaught fallacy in my logic and that you are not a hypocrite. Some innocuous difference between your seemingly logical dismissal of evidence and my seemingly illogical dismissal of evidence.

I'm not talking about subjective experience evidence either. I'm talking archaeological evidence. It does not matter whether or not such evidence exists. We can only hypothesize as to whether it does or not. What matters, is that a lot of scientists will dismiss it if it comes, because it corroborates religious history.

If after awareness of this state you are in it, I can't really blame you, because you can hardly help it.

---

As for Earth being spheroid, the proof is simple.

1. Walk in a gravitationally straight line for some distance.
2. Rotate 120 degrees in a clockwise or counterclockwise fashion.
3. Walk in a gravitationally straight line for the same distance walked in step 1.
4. Execute the same rotation you did in step 2.
5. Repeat step 3.
6. Measure the difference in position between your current location and your starting location.
7. If the measurement is negligible, repeat the experiment, with a different distance in step 1.

If you find a distance in step 1 that results in a substantial measurement in step 6, then you have found a triangle on the Earth that has a spherical effective gravity beneath it.


If you travel a lot, you could just get a gyroscope.

 

[Dickwand]

Also, you had any to start off with? I've never even talked to you before

I like the way you talk but you need that funny hat avatar again.

 

[Elenai]

more proofs

^_^ isn't it neat?

PS: the next statement of flaming, trolling, or anything even remotely related, and I'll ban the user for a month.

PSS: if I get one more report, I'm closing the thread in addition to said point above.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I contest the fact that zippers are oppressive, and in fact would like to counter that they are liberating, on merit of being far easier to open with your teeth and tongue than a series of buttons as well as making a seckseh noise: leaving your teeth and tongue with more energy for other even more interesting things, and your ears with a pleasant and seckseh ringing in them.

After having proven such that zippers are liberating through logic, I shall now provide several examples in which case buttons are quite clearly inappropriate, leaving zippers as the only sensible option for uniting two halves of a whole: a tight latex outfit is quite appealing whole or with zippers, but would be unbecoming, inane, and insipid. Similarly, buttons look pretty damn gay on leather.

 

[Ash]

I contest the fact that zippers are oppressive, and in fact would like to counter that they are liberating, on merit of being far easier to open with your teeth and tongue than a series of buttons as well as making a seckseh noise: leaving your teeth and tongue with more energy for other even more interesting things, and your ears with a pleasant and seckseh ringing in them.

After having proven such that zippers are liberating through logic, I shall now provide several examples in which case buttons are quite clearly inappropriate, leaving zippers as the only sensible option for uniting two halves of a whole: a tight latex outfit is quite appealing whole or with zippers, but would be unbecoming, inane, and insipid. Similarly, buttons look pretty damn gay on leather.

Latex and Leather!?!? You are surely a time traveler, or a devil in disguise!

 

[Elenai]

I do believe Teh_Ephy just proved not only that zippers are the best thing ever! But also that the earth is round, by sheer sexual prowess. Since a flat earth could simply not support the vast weight of his current coolness.

 

[Gausslander]

I can't quite see what you're trying to prove here, is it that you have less of a life than me, or that your e-penis is huge or what? :s

Kyrbi0 clearly doesn't have an e-penis. He has an e-mangina.

 

[Coremarine]

Ash prove that the earth is flat...

 

[Captain Griffen]

Prove you exist, or we won't bother proving the Earth is flat.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

If I were to start digging, where would I go? Would I eventually be unable to dig any farther because the pull towards the center would lift me up?

 

[Asomath]

Grats on 1000 posts.

~Asomath

P.s. Definition of flat.

level, even, or without unevenness of surface

Therefor it is impossible for the earth to be completely flat, due to the fact that any hill, plant or rock breaks flatness.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Well, it's relatively flat. Not perfectly flat. A table is flat, yet it has microscopic divots and gouges and differences.