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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Ash, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. Ash

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    That the world is flat, Hive. Yes, you have heard me correctly. And what I'd like you to do is prove me wrong.

    To aid the rational discourse, I have constructed a list of what I think is correct:
    • The Earth is flat.
    • All science is wrong, especially cartography.
    • All technology is evil (particularly bar code technology)
    • Fluoridated water is a socialist plot to take over the world.
    • Zippers are a symbol of round oppression. As such, no pants must be worn, with the exception of those without zippers, such as button fly jeans.
    I would very much so like you to pick up on all and every of those points.
     
  2. Anachron

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    Blanking posts are cool.
     
  3. Ash

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    Anachron, your argument boasts no logic or link whatsoever, thus I still believe the earth is flat. And, if you think logically, you may too believe in the truth.

    EDIT: Don't blank your post, Anachron :p

    EDIT EDIT: Since he took it up in chat, here're the logs:

    [13-12-08] Anachron: Ash, But HOW in the earth can we sail through the whole world without falling down? What swith GRAVITY?
    [13-12-30] Ash: Anachron, Because, if gravity pulls you towards the centre, then naturally your ship is pulled towards the centre
    [13-12-37] Anachron: Ash, http://www.hiveworks...-124044/#post1084688
    [13-12-40] Ash: so instead of sailing around and around, you sail in a circle.
    [13-13-05] Anachron: Ash, Joe-black-5, how can we see us radical from moon if we would be flat? Its totally unlogically
    [13-13-35] Ash: Anachron, It's not unlogical whatsoever, what you're saying is that you believe in something other people have told you to believe
    [13-13-38] Uchila has joined the channel
    [13-13-48] Ash: THAT is illogical
    [13-14-35] Anachron: Ash, Joe-black-5, well we are currently out of the atmosphere and made alot of pictures of the world, including Google Earth and that stuff, which all prove its round. And the earth actually is.
    [13-14-47] Anachron: Ash, I beleave in my world
    [13-15-10] Anachron: Ash, in my world I only beleave science.
    [13-16-04] Ash: I too believe in science.
    [13-16-24] Ash: Although my science is obviously different to yours :p
    [13-16-47] Anachron: oO
    [13-16-51] Anachron: wtf?
    [13-16-59] Ash: So with that said, prove my science wrong
    [13-17-19] Anachron: So you think the earth is flat or whut?
    [13-17-29] Anachron: We've solved it hundreds of years ago..
    [13-17-49] Ash: Anachron, You're believing what other people have told you again
    [13-18-19] Anachron: Ash, I am beleaving what I SEE and I SEE the earth is not flat ;P
    [13-18-55] Ash: Anachron, You see as far as your eyes can see, you don't see the earth as being round at all
    [13-19-29] Anachron: Ash, you can see that the whole plain is not flat but round.
    [13-19-56] Ash: Anachron, No you can't, unless you look at a picture from outer space.
    [13-20-07] Ash: And you've never been there, so you can't prove the picture to be true or not.
    [13-20-51] Ash: The earth is a flat disc, and so far you've shown me no first hand logic to prove me otherwise.
    [13-21-34] Anachron: Joe-black-5, Ash, OffGraphic, Shados, ok here we go.. if earth is flat, how it comes that all which have flew over the earth proven its not? How would our maps work else? How would the magnetical fields works? They would crash if they would be stronger on some sites..
    [13-22-13] Ash: Anachron, The same reason as you being unable to sail off the edge of the world. Gravity sucks you towards the centre
    [13-22-27] Ash: Thus, you fly in a circle and you never reach the point of being able to see the edge.
    [13-22-18] Anachron: Our whole systems work with the round definition, all our maths and phsysics, and they work well..
    [13-23-00] Ash: Anachron, No, a man tells you it works well, and you believe him.
    [13-22-47] Anachron: Ash, But logically you can be everywhere on earth, but not on your concept.
    [13-24-01] Ash: Anachron, Not quite, you get to certain points and then you can't get any futher. That's why when you get to places like Australia, you feel bad. It's because you're being pulled back to the centre :p
    [13-24-23] Ash: And you still haven't given me any concise logic to prove me wrong.
    [13-24-36] Anachron: Ash, thats so many shit I need to stop soon :/
    [13-25-34] Ash: Anachron, All you're doing is believing what other people have told you, you've got no first hand evidence whatsoever to prove me wrong. You're just going round in a circle.
    [13-25-56] Ash: ... If you forgive the circular pun, of course.
    [13-25-48] Anachron: The only reason why PEOPLE THINK THE EARTH IS FLAT IS, that actually they need something to complain about. I mean its already solved and everything works fine. What do we need to care? Its the simple fact that it is how it is. The earth is an egg.
    [13-27-18] Ash: Anachron, Actually, quite to the opposite. It hasn't been solved at all. You're saying that people think the earth is flat because we need something to complain about. I'm saying the only reason people think the earth is round is because you're being foiled by the government.
    [13-27-41] Ash: YOu're only arguing their point because you want something to complain about.
    [13-27-56] Anachron: Ash, or maybe the masses or the government are right and the few people which say its not are WRONG? maybe you fail.
    [13-28-14] Ash: Anachron, So prove their point!
    [13-29-04] Ash: Anachron, You've done nothing but sit there and recite basic primary school science. You haven't shown any sense of logic or reason so far, and you've given me no first hand information. If you roll a ball off've a table does it not fall to the ground? It doesn't roll around in a sphere!
    [13-28-44] Anachron: I mean the earth must be flat, if I would have time I could prove it with all math and phsyics...
    [13-29-04] Anachron: But sadly I have no time to waste my time for some shit I don't beleave in.
    [13-30-43] Anachron: Well if anyone thinks about it, why have we chosen to agree to the 'the world is round or an egg' logic? Its because its proven for us and we can live with it and everything works with that.
    [13-30-59] Ash: Anachron, Because someone stood up and told you it is round.
    [13-31-13] Ash: Have you ever questioned it? No, you've just zealously believed it.
    [13-31-04] Anachron: If the earth would be flat the aircrarfts would crash at the egdes and things like that.
    [13-31-33] Anachron: ash oh oh you don't know a shit about myself
    [13-32-03] Ash: Anachron, I've already told you why an aircraft can't fly off the edge, gravity.
    [13-31-54] Anachron: Ash, I've asked myself a lot more if you might think.
    [13-32-32] Ash: And now you're arguing ad homenim because you've ran out of pseudo-logic!
    [13-32-49] Anachron: Ash, Joe-black-5, But until the 16th Century all thought the earth would be flat. Until it has been proven to BE NOT. So go to hell now >.< ....
    [13-33-15] Ash: Anachron, Well, I pose this to you; religion hasn't been proven, yet so many people still believe in it.
    [13-33-30] Anachron: Ash, but you would be able to SEEEEEEEEEEEEEE that the end of the world is there, lol ...
    [13-33-36] Anachron: Ash, I do not beleave in any religion.
    [13-34-16] Ash: You may not, but others do.
    [13-35-11] Anachron: I'm logging off because this has no sence. The earth is round, thats proven and like I do, I personally like the idea. It fits to my sight of the world and we do not need to complain about everyones point of view. Not now and not later.
    [13-35-30] Ash: Tyvm for spending your time with me, and thank you even more for the win.
    [13-35-42] Ash: If you'd like to chat more, I'd be more than obliged to in the thread.

    TL;DR version: Anachron produced no logic but what others have told him, thus his arguments have failed to convince me why the Earth is round.

    I produced first hand evidence, and laid the smackdown at this point:
    • [13-29-04] Ash: Anachron, You've done nothing but sit there and recite basic primary school science. You haven't shown any sense of logic or reason so far, and you've given me no first hand information. If you roll a ball off've a table does it not fall to the ground? It doesn't roll around in a sphere!

    I look forward to more in depth conversations like this.
     
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  4. Zelda.Alex

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    There is no such thing as cartography
     
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    Thank you for the link. I knew what it is. I was just going in the same way as Ash had gone.
     
  7. Ash

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  8. Anachron

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    Ash, I would thank you to remove the stupid chatlog out of the thread.
    I am hopefully seeing it removed soon.

    This discussion will go to nowhere guys because Ash will not beleave
    that the earth is an egg. Sadly but thats the truth.

    (and don't make stupid comments about it, its my right to let it be removed)
     
  9. Ash

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    Please, don't try to derail my thread like that. I'm not removing it because it's vital to the discussion. I don't see it as insultive in the slightest, and hope that you will feel the same and let me keep it up.

    Thanks for discussing it with me in the chat.
     
  10. Squiggy

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    The earth is flat.
    End of story.
     
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  11. Pyramidhe@d

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    technology gave birth to games
    so your argument that "all technology is evil" is fail

    cartography? never heard of that word in my life.

    fluoride screws up your brain in high doses
     
  12. Ash

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    And do the games not keep you inside during the day doing nothing productive? You could be out with a girlfriend, starting a fight because you're off your face drunk or actually living.

    But thank you for agreeing with the other two points.
     
  13. ArcticInferno

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    You won't know until you find out for yourself, if you are serious, that is.

    After all, science =/= truth and facts

    It's just how humans are taught to perceive our world, what we believe to be closest to our definition of truth/facts

    Believing is seeing

    edit:

    I don't think games are considered unproductive as opposed to being out with your girlfriend, as they are knowledge. They spur imagination, enriches your experience in this world. They send pulses of emotion or whatever through us that we enjoy, to some extent. Same goes for a girlfriend. Everything is just perspectives.
     
  14. Ash

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    An open mind and a logical argument, I like it! First time for everything, I guess. As for the games comment, I think that it depends how long you spend on them. If you're devoting your whole life to the following of games, and you don't follow natures natural course, then they're self-destructive. That said, they're also productive because of the advancements we've made with them.

    Now, as for the flat earth; picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"? Magnets prove that the force continues downwards, and thus, so does gravity.

    I acknowledge beforehand that we are aware of the property of matter known as friction. I realise that whenever two surfaces are held together by any force there will be a static frictional force that will resist any motion by either surface in any direction other than parallel to the force. The example we are using is an extreme situation, and would involve the object in question to travel a considerable distance -- tens of degrees of latitude -- from the "top" of the planet.

    Using the "round Earth" theory, setting an object on the earth would be like setting grains of sand on a beach ball. Certainly a few grains would stay, right around the top the surface is nearly horizontal, but when you stray too far from the absolute top of the ball the grains of sand start sliding off and falling onto the ground. The Earth, if round, should behave in exactly the same fashion. Because the top is a very localised region on a sphere, if the Earth were in fact round, there would be only a very small area of land that would be at all inhabitable. Stray to the outside fringes of the "safe zone", and you start walking at a tilt. The further out you go, the more you slant, until your very survival is determined by the tread on your boots. Reach a certain point and you slide off the face of the planet entirely.

    In order to avoid the aforementioned scenario -- which obviously is inaccurate, as you very rarely hear of people falling off the face of the planet -- we are forced to assume that, in the "round Earth" theory, there would be a gravitational field radiating from the centre of the planet. All objects, be they rocks, insects, humans, or other planets would have, under Efimovich's theory, have a gravitational "charge" that would, under a certain alignment, cause them to be attracted to the centre of the Earth. Unfortunately, like a magnet in a stronger magnetic field, it would undoubtedly require a long time to re-align an object's gravitational charge, were this the case.

    EDIT: I fully acknowledge what you've said, not knowing and all that, but I'd willingly bet that you haven't put any thought into this before, and you've just shrugged the world off as being round. That's why I've attached one of my many 'arguments' into the post, just as a starting block, if you will.
     
  15. Pyramidhe@d

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    i had no real life before i knew games and i have no real life lost now that i know games.
    to me, games are like what i imagine heroin feels like in digital form.

    yes. but i agree. i could have been doing something else. if there were no technology, the society would have not advanced so far and we would be still in the middle ages. there would be no school, no real rule and definitely no cops.

    that would mean i would likely be, instead of typing this, going outside and mangle, maim, burn and kill everyone. it wont be sane but it would help with anger management. not to mention, way funner than killing things on the com.
    ...*sigh. one can only hope.
     
  16. Captain Griffen

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    It is noteable that scientists have so far been unable to find any real evidence to support the existance of gravity as the 'accepted' scientific theories would have us believe it is. Their continued failure to find the, apparently mythical, graviton and the elusiveness of the higgs boson is telling.

    However, more damning of scientists in this regard is that, rather than accept that the reason why they cannot unify their version of gravity with the other three fundamental forces is that their conception of what gravity is is fundamentally wrong, they instead start producing the most crazy and unsubstantiated theories. That otherwise sane scientists start coming up with stuff such as string theory, without any evidential support, is surely a sign of desparation.
     
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    I believe......i can fly!!!
     
  18. ArcticInferno

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    I've thought about life and all many times especially some points in life when I was very depressed/unhappy, I started thinking of all the what if things, time travel, alternative perspectives/4th and more dimensions, seeing life as a straight line if time stopped, stepping beyond those dimensions, unlimited possibilities etc.

    However, in the end, I will still stand with science.

    But that doesn't mean I will be shut off from any other external knowledge.

    I will still listen and try to believe it.

    But I still cannot believe the world is flat.

    If the world was flat, it would have some sort of edge. Why is it flight routes can go one way or the opposite, and still end up in the same location?

    edit:

    @If you're devoting your whole life to the following of games, and you don't follow natures natural course, then they're self-destructive.

    The natural course I believe, is survival and reproduction.

    Because we have brains all our strange desires that can even override our natural goals take over.

    If you devote your whole life to going out with your girlfriend, it isn't natural either, because in nature, males fuck and dump and they probably never meet again unless for another mating session.

    Personally I keep my thoughts to myself; I try not to let my imagination and what ifs and all my doubts get in the way of my life, I do what works and what's practical than versus truth.
     
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    i agree that many part of science are as bs as the next cult/religion.
    string theory? screw string theory. what good is it if they can only theorise about it. more importantly, who gives a shit about subatomic particles. all i care is that gravity works, not HOW it works.
    why dont physics scientists stfu and spare the precious resources they are wasting for something more worth while like cancer cure research or better crop yield and stuff for 3rd world countries.
    but nooooo~ them physicists have to be all "high and mighty" and ramble on about some rainbow/prism fairyland crap.
     
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    The Earth is round, because I said so.

    What about the true science of Astrology?

    What about the plough?

    Silly socialist simpleton. Cleaner water is a capitalist venture!

    Screw pants, I'll go naked!