Gods and Empires- CITY building/RTS

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Gods and Empires- CITY building/RTS*UPDATED regularly*

Gods and Empires
DO YOU BELIEVE IN GODS?
Build, Expand, Conquer, Dominate
MAP TYPE:RTS-melee/City building



FEATURES
A. DYNAMIC WEATHER AND DISASTER SYSTEM

-Weather and disasters affects units and structures throughout the map adding depth to strategy and overall gameplay.
Weather types:Rainy, Snowy, Windy.
Disasters:Earthquake,Tsunami, Volcanic Eruption, Lightning Storm, Blizzard/Avalanche, Drought, Plague, Fire, Typhoon, Tornado, Meteor Strike.

B. MAP REGIONS
-At the beginning of the game it is your choice where on the map you would establish your empire. Different lands gives different kinds of benefits(resources, natural defense against disasters, unique flora and faunas, unique neutral buildings that can be acquired etc.). The map is divided into certain regions much like the way Earth is divided(polar, equatorial etc..).Each region yields different patterns of weather and disasters.

C. LIVING/BREATHING CITIES
-Watch as your city grow. Citizens roam and everything you build affects how they act and how your city will turn out to be.

D. CITIZENS ARE YOUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCES.
-In Gods and Empires, Citizens play a vital role in the success or failure of your expanding city. Military units are not directly trained from your Military buildings. Instead, it is the Citizens who are trained to be conscripted to your chosen military unit types which is researched on your Military buildings.
-Citizens also provide gold which is periodically given depending on the number of houses you have. Citizens are categorized into 3 types: male, female and child. Male citizens can be conscripted to military units, repair structures and can attack, female citizens on the other hand can learn the ability heal but cannot attack. The Children cannot attack but overtime changes to a male villager.
-Whenever a house is built, random number of citizens(of different types) are created, after which a child will be created every x seconds. Units does not cost food(except unique units), buildings do.
-Although bigger population means bigger income, having too much proves to be costly because of maintenance costs. Every x seconds, you pay an amount equal to the total number of units you have on the map(structures and units). To solve this you can at any time turn on/off Population control button at your Capital(Town Hall) to manage your Population growth.

E. MULTI-CAMERA VIEW.
-View the game in different perspectives whenever you select a unit type.
a.Construction View(for Builder type units)- high elevation camera that allows you to easily plan the layout of your city.
b.Structure View- locks your view to the structure you selected. Close up view.
c.3rd Person View(for Hero/ king)- gives you close up view of your city on a 3rd person perspective, the camera follows you wherever you go.
d.Tactical view- extreme zoom out view, allows you to see the map from a top down view letting players have a tactical view of the battlefield.
* Pressing the Esc key resets your view to default camera view.

F. GODS.
Choose a God for your city and take control of the fate of your people.
-At the start of the game you will be given options to choose which God you want your empire to be governed with. Your choice of deity will determine the alignment, research tree, unique units and God Powers you'll have.

G. GOD POWERS
-Different Gods posess different God Powers, ranging from spells that affects the income of your buildings to spells that does damage to an area or even stop time and spells that changes the terrain or weather on a certain region. Using God Powers requires a certain amount of FAITH POINTS, which is generated either by assigning citizens to pray or by offering them at altars or by completing certain Quests.

H. GAME MODES.
a.DOMINATE- Destoy all your enemies, the last player standing wins.
b.KILL THE TITANS- The first player to kill 1 out of the 6 Titans located at different locations across the map wins.
c.PROTECT THE KING- Each player is given a king, when your king dies you lose the game.
d.WONDER OF THE WORLD-The first player to build a Wonder and is able to protect it for a certain amount of time wins.
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ANNOUNCEMENT
Announcement•Announcement•Announcement•Announcement•Announcement•
As mentioned before, an alpha version of the map will be available for testing by the first week or so of next year. The said version would only contain certain features like the economy & citizen needs systems and also the basic military conscription. Units that would be present on this version would most probably be the basic units for tier 1.This alpha version aims to familiarize players with the concepts and the how tos of the city building aspect of the game.

The following is the list of the things that we aim to determine for this test:
•Are the current systems efficient,do they work as they should be?
•What is the maximum number of units every player could have that is somewhat manageable lag-wise?
•Bugs,bugs bugs..
•Which part of the system could use some improvements or revisions if needed?
•Which aspect of the map people find amusing,entertaining..?
•Is the map worth finishing?Is it enjoyable?
•Does the current terrain suits the gameplay?
•etc..

So till then,got to get back to work..See yah

Unit List
FACTION 1: IMPERO MACCHINA
Here's a rundown/basic descriptions of the subfaction related units..
SUB-FACTION 1:
•Strong vs. buildings, high armor

Alignment building-Steam Fortress
Steam Factory-has upgrade steam pack(no pun intended)that enables steam powered units to have a boost in movement speed and attack speed for a certain amount of time.

Ground units
•Hydraulic marksman-short ranged attacker maybe about 450.
•Piston Mech-basic melee unit;small chance to stun enemy units.
•Steam Golem-stronger melee unit;increased chance to stun enemy units.
•Leviathan- big badass melee unit;high chance to stun enemy units.
•Steam Tank-basic tank..range of about 600.
•Turtle Tank-specialized tank unit.650 range.Has the ability to shoot enemy units from all directions.
•Destroyer tank-high armored tank unit but slower than the common steam tank.attacks ignore armor..

Air Units
•Zeppelin Transport-common transport airship.
•Airship Gunner-ranged attack of 650.attacks both land and air units.
•Airship Blaster-improved airship gunner.attack range 700.attacks do minor splash damage on both air and land units.
•Floating Steam Stronghold-a floating fortress armed with cannons.slow moving but high hitpoints.

Naval Units
I'm yet to make a list of all subfaction's naval units..

UNIQUE UNIT

•TITAN TANK-very big tank,high armor,high hp,slow moving,attacks do splash damage..
Special ability:Siege mode(like stracraft's siege tank),Titan Cannon(similar to battlecruiser's Yamato GUN)>casting time is around 3-5 seconds;shoots enemies in a straight line.(or should I say obliterate?)



SUB-FACTION 2
•increased hp regen,fast production of units.

Alignment building-Clock work Citadel
Clockwork Tower-has pocket factory skill,automatically summons mini clockwork men..

Ground units
•Clockwork Man-has the ability to repair mechanical units including itself.
•Clockwork Automaton-whenever hp reaches 50% it splits into 2, each one deals full damage but hp is 25% of its maximum.
•Clockwork Goliath-whenever it dies a scrap pile would be created in its place and after a few seconds it would reconstruct itself,destroying the scrap pile would prevent the reconstruction..
•Tic Tank-typical steam tank but has the ability to self destruct damaging both friendly and enemy units within its range.
•Clockwork Spider-melee mechanical spiders that could burrow themselves and self detonate when triggered.
•Spider Artillery Tank(SAT)-long range artillery type units(900-1000 range); has the ability to slam enemy units in close range damaging and stunning them for a few seconds.

Air units
•Gyrocopter-typical wc3 gyro copter,shoots fast moves fast..
•Clockwork Carrier-similar to SC protoss carrier..could summon mini gyro interceptors to attack enemy units both on land and ground.
•Airship Gunner
•Zeppelin Transport

Unique unit
•CLOCKWORK COLOSSUS-colossal clockwork man;high hp & hp regen aura..
Special ability:Slams the ground dealing AOE damage and stunning units,summons clockwork men that damages units they hit.(modified Stampede spell)


SUB-FACTION 3
•Excellent long range attacks and defense.

Alignment Building-Alchemy Academy
Ballistic Bastion-also acts as guard tower,attacks land and air units as well;upgrades for different kinds of ammunitions are available here.

Ground units
•Hand gunner-basic ranged unit.wields pistol,attacks fast but low damage.
•Rifleman-range attack of 700.normal attack speed,attacks has chance to mini stun target.
•Mounted Rifleman-fast movement speed.range 700,attacks has chance to mini stun target.
•Sniper-attacks has a small chance to instantly kill non-mechanical units..range of about 800-900.
•Grenadier-range attacks(450) do minor splash damage.
•Cannoneer-range attacks(650) do AOE damage.
•Steam Tank
•Combat engineer-can build defensive and offensive equipments on the field.
Defense Turret-gun emplacement that is effective specially against armored units;attacks ground units only.
Missile Turret-shoots missiles to air and ground units.
Land mines-explodes whenever enemy units comes near it.

Air units
•Gyro Bomber-air to land attacker..drops bombs to a target location dealing AOE damage.
•Airship Destroyer-large airship fitted with a large cannon and missile launcher.has the ability cluster rockets.
•Airship Gunner
•Airship Blaster
•Gyrocopter
•Zeppelin Transport

UNIQUE UNIT
GRAND CANNON-super long range artillery that does splash damage on a large area.Special Ability:Volley of Fire>burst fires a targeted area for a set amount of time dealing massive damage.


NOTE:I'm not yet sure whether this lineup would be balanced, but I guess that part can be dealt with after maptesting once the alpha/beta version is released..As always feel free to share your feedbacks,suggestions and ideas guys..


Mythology of the GODS
NEW UPDATE!
NEW! PHRAETOR - The GOD Seer, Patron God of Poets & Philosophers, God of Wisdom
Phraetor is considered as the God of Wisdom. He possess the gift of clairvoyance and the ability to read thoughts. He could see things even before they actually happen. And because of this, Nerom treats him with high regard and in fact would frequently come to seek his counsel, asking advice on a variety of things. The downside however of his powers is that he could not directly tell what he foresees. He expresses them thru poetry and sometimes in the form of riddles. At times, Nerom would not right away understand Phraetor's prophecies and totally disregards them.This however could prove costly for Nerom because the future holds dark tidings for him.

In silence will strike a deafening heed
Far louder than drumbeats pounding
Words spoken in visions dim
Deeds done for reasons grim

Born with tongue of half-truths
And whose eyes speak of concealed lies
Corrupting poison for feeble minds
Inevitable cause of one's demise

-Book of Prophecies


Yelihr god of deception/manipulation and persuasion.

Yelihr is a most unusual god. His arsenal contains deception, manipulation and persuasion.This can prove to be a devastating combination, everything he says seems like the truth but nearly everything he says is a lie and when it isn't he often wants you to think it is. He uses words and actions to confuse and often drive his enemies insane. He loves playing with humans and finds their gullible nature an excellent source of entertainment.
Yelihr is believed to be a shapeshifter and is often thought to take the appearance of a human and spread lies and deceit that result in suicides, divorces, beheadings and various other results he finds amusing. Yelihr on more than one occasion has gone to far and tried to ignite feuds between the gods themselves and on one occasion very nearly succeeded but was thwarted by Aidous who informed Nerom. Nerom threatened to cut out Yelihr's tongue should he ever try attempt such a malicious act again. Pyramus has shown great interest in Yelihr, although he disapproves of his methods he relishes in their results and in turn considers Yelihr useful, if only he could be tamed. Yelihr's symbol is that of snake constricting a skull, symbolizing the slow, painful and complicated demise that awaits his foes.


NEROM
Nerom is the revered king of the Gods of the Realm of Niv(tentative). He is strong and powerful,but also at times prideful and stubborn. He possess the creator stone, the most valuable relic of the deities. With it he is capable of creating almost anything his mind is able of conceiving out of nothing. He is scheming, secretive and also has a tendency of being discontented. He always want change in everything around him. Often he would start creating something but would soon grew weary of it and change his mind then begin doing something else. Out of all that he created, the Humans was his most favorite. They took his attention and with them he has something to play with. He can at will dictate their fortunes. With them he was able to impose his Godliness. The fate of the Humans greatly depends on the whims of the deities themselves.
Nerom is infamous for his legendary lust for Human women. Throughout the country side, demigod offsprings often shows up-fruits of his numerous trysts. A child showing unusual or supernatural abilities is often associated with Nerom and is referrred to as "Kings's bastard".
Nerom is often depicted together with his winged white steed, Gylomesh. Gylomesh can take the shape of a living flame and can travel across the land faster than a thought and whose wings could rain down rays of blinding white light that would burn anything it will come into contact with instantaneously.
Nerom's symbols are white flame and the creator stone, signifying his burning desire to create and his discontentment.
VESTRA
Vestra is Nerom's wife and queen. She rules over domestic blessings, marriage, childbirth, jealousy and nature. She is a caring and protective Goddess and unlike his husband she tends to be sympatethic to the Humans and would often come to their aid. On rare occasions however she shows up her wrath. Nerom's straying inevitably incurs her fury causing untold natural disasters of epic proportions(scary eh?lol). According to legends, she once razed a whole city to the ground out of jealousy. The doomed city is believed to be where one of Nerom's human mistresses lived.
Throughout the realm of Niv, shrines and temples in honor of her can be found and often believers would come to these places asking for protection and blessing. Vestra is always accompanied by a golden feathered bird, Oros. It is said that at night time Oros turns into a star, gazing upon the lands watching over Vestra's minions and keeping an eye for Nerom. Vestra's symbol is a tree with a golden bird on one of it's branches.
AIDOUS
Aidous is the younger brother of Nerom. He is wise and resourceful but is not as powerful as him. He can't create out of nothing but what makes him special is his Godly power to invent and discover things. Aidous is a thinking deity and has the innate ability to innovate and bring about new creations out of the most common or extraordinary things. He presides over Science and Technology. Inventors, scientists and engineers revere him as their patron God. Ever so often, Aidous in his human form would come down from Elohia(tentative name of the City of the Gods) to mingle with his followers, teaching and sharing with them his new discoveries. Aidous symbol are a scroll and a gear.
PYRAMUS
Pyramus is the twin brother of Nerom. He is considered to be as powerful as his brother but his domain is not in creating things but in destroying them. He is ill-tempered and his tantrums would often result into massive earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. He is also the God of War. War yields chaos and with it comes destruction.
Pyramus invented metallurgy and gave it to his minions. With it, humans learned how to make weapons and armors, the essentials for War. He and Nerom have a long time dispute and often times this feud is settled through war. What Nerom created, Pyramus is bound to destroy. The Etrean War, which has been waged for more than a century is essentially an act of retaliation by Pyramus against Nerom for throwing him out of the Council of the Gods mainly because of his uncontrollable temper.
Pyramus is often depicted as a sullen and battle scarred creature wielding 2 giant swords engulfed in burning red flame. He is hot-blooded and has a tendency to get out of control. When in this state of rage however, Pyramus is at his most powerful form, destroying anything and everything in his path.
Pyramus' symbols are a volcano and 2 swords engulfed in red flame crossing each other.
OTHER GODS>Zharagum, Aelpho, Khendar, Eirod, Tyrr, Eltris, Althaion, Nephtom, Xaeros, Ahram, Llymnos, Nheva.(details of which will be revealed as soon as I finalized their background stories)

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THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM
PROJECT LEAD- pangahas
IDEA MAKER/WRITER- pangahas, Grey Nightmare
TERRAIN MAKER- pangahas
SPELL MAKER-VACANT
TRIGGER MAKER- pangahas, cedi *joins the team as triggerer•12-24-09
MODELLER- pangahas, *model maker position is vacant, must be versatile(can do units and structures).
GRAPHIC ARTIST(icons,loading screen)- pangahas, kola *joins the team as icon-maker•01-03-10
MAP TESTER- *nothing to test at the moment.
*FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME IF YOUR INTERESTED.
SUGGESTIONS AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS ARE MOST WELCOME..
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PROGRESS
OVERALL-28%
Terrain-••••••••••-100%
Triggers-••••••••••-40%
Spells-••••••••••-0%
Icons & Loading Screen-••••••••••-0%
Models-••••••••••-0%
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UPDATES:


UNKNOWN MAP FACTS AND FIGURES etc..

AS OF 12-24-09
CURRENT FILESIZE:
842kb(not yet optimized,raw size)
DATE OFFICIALLY STARTED: My notebook says AUGUST 25.2009
WORLD EDITOR VERSION USED: Normal WC3 World Editor
MAP SAVES USED: 101
TARGET ALPHA RELEASE DATE: first or second week of JAN. 2010
TARGET BETA RELEASE DATE: 1st quarter of 2010
TARGET FINAL RELEASE DATE: Before Starcraft 2 is released-UNKNOWN-
MY CURRENT STATE OF MIND: Highly motivated, STILL

AS OF 11-01-09
CURRENT FILESIZE:[/COLOR] 800kb(not yet optimized,raw size)
DATE OFFICIALLY STARTED: My notebook says AUGUST 25.2009
WORLD EDITOR VERSION USED: Normal WC3 World Editor
MAP SAVES USED: 71
TARGET BETA RELEASE DATE: Before the current year ends..(hopefully)
TARGET FINAL RELEASE DATE: -UNKNOWN-
MY CURRENT STATE OF MIND: Highly motivated(good for me)[/COLOR]


NOTE: DUE TO THE RELATIVELY COMPLEX NATURE OF THE GAMEPLAY FOR THE MAP, DETAILED UPDATES ABOUT IT WILL BE POSTED SO AS TO INTRODUCE THEM ONE BY ONE BEFORE RELEASE. IT WILL BE DIVIDED INTO THE FOLLOWING ASPECTS:
A.GENERAL GAMEPLAY
NEW UPDATE!

NEW!
PROGRESS REPORT-Concept changes that will be implemented on Alpha 1.0

•Citizen creation system
for peasant houses:

OLD-upon construction,random 1-3 citizens would be created.

NEW-upon construction,the Peasant house will have a skill-SETTLE RESIDENTS..only after using that spell will the citizen creation(random 1-3 citizens) for that house will be initiated.After using the spell it will be removed from the unit.Peasant houses could accommmodate a maximum of 3 and minimum of 1,higher tier dwelling type buildings can house more citizens..
*the variation of the created citizens is based off the table of variations(see main post)

>The number of residents for houses can be detected by the item charge of RESIDENTS in its inventory.It will determine how much FOOD will be delivered to the house by the market in its range.1 FOOD = 1 FISH + 1 BREAD.A house's FOOD must be equal to the total number of RESIDENTS that it accommodates.

>This concept somehow reduces the amount of citizen units that would be present on the map.You build houses and settle citizens only when you need to.

>If for example,your population drops to a value lower than the maximum number of citizens you could have(number of houses you own determine this),houses that have no RESIDENTS would be given the ability SETTLE RESIDENTS which you could use to compensate your need for citizens.

•Income taxes

Old-fixed amount for every citizen type.

New-The amount of income tax you receive from your citizens will now depend on its unit type..Citizens that you assign to become worker units now gives income tax equal to 10% of the its training cost.Military units gives less income tax.The tax rate could be adjusted in your Town Center but doing so affects the Happiness and Influence/Impressiveness ratings of your city.

Example:
Peasant to Farmer- cost:20g;Income tax farmer=2g

NEW! •Presented with the fact that bypassing the command bug is impossible(it seems) I have decided to put a limit on the number of peasants that you can have on the game. After map testing and recommendations from other hive members I have decided that the population cap should be within the range of 150(maybe even less or slightly higher, it depends on the way future map testings will go).
Consequently, I have devised a new formula for the creation of the peasants whenever you build a house. I might still be using the old formula but just for higher tier house types. The new one goes like this-
•Maximum number of created peasant would be 3, minimum 1.
•Type of created peasant would include combinations in 3 of the following: male1, male 2, female, kid1, kid 2, kid female and dog. or a single unit on one of the former 3 types.
•After doing some computations, I have come up with a total of 85 variations(I hope Im not missing something here)
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POPULATION
• Each time you build a house, a random number of settlers would be created on it. Percentage is as follows:
100% chance-Male citizen 1
85%- Female citizen
60%-Male Citizen 2
25%- child 1
20%- child 2
15%- dog
*higher house levels would produce settlers of higher citizen status.
*children overtime changes to male or female settlers.
*every X seconds a child will be born on a random house.

NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE & HAPPINESS
•Different citizen status have different set of food, faith and entertainment needs. All of which add up to their total happiness. An Unhappy citizen is most likely to revolt, die or become beggars.
Need for Food
Peasants- Fish and Bread
Citizens- Fish, Bread, Meat and Beer
Patricians- Fish, Bread, Meat and Wine
Noblemen- Fish, Bread, Meat and Wine
Happiness= Food Satisfaction/3 +Faith Satisfaction/3 + Entertainment Satisfaction/3
* A Happiness rating below 40% would make your settlers unhappy.
* Food Satisfaction rating below 30% would result to either death due to hunger or Plague and sickness.
* Entertainment Satisfaction rating below 30% would result to either your citizen rebelling against you or leaving your city.
* Faith Satisfaction rating below 30% would result to your believers leaving your city and migrating to other player's city and the reduction of the total faith points in your temple.(MANA)

HOUSING
•Different types of houses can provide accommodation for certain number of settlers.
Peasant houses- 5
Villas- 6
Manor- 7
Mansion- 8
FORMULA:
Homeless= Total number of houses x multiplier(depends on house type) - total number of citizens(excluding dogs!)

* Homeless people would become beggars that would periodically cost you gold. Beggars build shacks where rats would come out, spreading diseases.


B.ECONOMY
GOLD
-gained by mining them on gold mines located on certain points on the map.
-gained through taxes that you collect from your people.
FORMULAS:
•Every 10 seconds, TAX A= Total number of Peasants-Citizens-Patricians-Noblemen(excluding children)/ Total number of Peasant houses-Villas-Manors-Mansions you own.
*multiplier for different citizen status-Peasants x1, Citizens x2, Patricians x3, Noblemen X4.
•Every 30 seconds, TAX B= Total number of houses within 600 range of MARKET PLACE x TAX A
•Every 1 gametime day, TAX C= TAX A x Total number of Houses you own.

C.MILITARY
CONSCRIPTION
•You do not directly train military units from your barracks. Instead you conscript your citizens to be military unit types of your choice.
WEAPONS AND ARMORS
•Each of your military units has an inventory. You can equip them with weapons and armors that are produced by your Blacksmith.
UNIT PROMOTION
•Each time your military units kill an enemy it adds up to his total kill count. Units that reach a certain kill count would be promoted to a stronger unit of its type.
5 KILLS- Veteran
10 KILLS- Elite


D.GODS & GOD POWERS
CHOICE OF DEITY
•It's up to you which God you'd like your city to be governed with. Your choice will determine the God Powers your temple would possess. You can only have one patron God. Each faction has its own set of Gods to choose from.
FAITH POINTS
•God Powers costs faith points to cast. Maximum Faith points your temple has is determined by your base Faith point value + total number of settlers you have. Building shrines and other religious monuments would add up to your maximum Faith points. Temples do not regenerate Faith points, you have to assign citizens either to pray or offer them at sacrificial pits to replenish it.

E.CITY IMPRESSIVENESS & ALIGNMENT

NEW!•I might not implement the Alignment System because the map is already complicated as it is.But then again nothing is final until the actual map release.

GOOD OR EVIL
•Certain buildings that you construct and things that you do would add up either to your GOOD or EVIL alignment. Your average alignment would be reflected in the way your units look(e.g EVIL alignment would cause your structures to look gloomier etc..). Alignment would also determine the availability of certain structures. Ultimate Good alignment would unlock the Build a Wonder option and if your able to defend it for a certain period of time you win the game(BUILD A WONDER GAME MODE). Achieving Ultimate Evil alignment on the other hand would unlock the construction of Guild Houses where you can hire unique hero type military units. Achieving either Ultimate Alignment is permanent and is irreversible.
IMPRESSIVENESS
•Certain structures you build would increase the impressiveness of your city. Having a high impressiveness rating has different benefits like Settlers from other cities owned by other players migrating to yours, Increased income from taxes you collect etc..

F.ACHIEVEMENT & INCENTIVES

REWARD SYSTEM
•Certain achievements like - First Player to reach a Population of 100, First Player to achieve Major City Status, First Player to kill 50 enemies etc. ,would grant that Player certain incentives.

*EVERYTHING IS NOT YET FINAL AND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE PRIOR TO RELEASE.
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NEW!
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Possibly one of the unique units for the 1st faction..No textures yet and only has stand and spell slam animation..I'm thinking of changing the legs, to reduce poly count..
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In game screenshot..The unit would be a long range artillery type unit,slow moving but it will have a skill based on warstomp that would allow it to stun and damage enemies that are in close range..
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GREAT development..Grey Nightmare and trolman has joined the project as idea makers, finally much needed help. We still need spell makers, modeller and an expert trigger maker though..YEHLIR-GOD OF DECEPTION/PERSUASION AND MANIPULATION background story made by Grey Nightmare on post #46..read it here>http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-empires-city-building-rts-141858/index4.htmlAnd also MortAr-(edit*) provided the tornado, meteor rain and earthquake disaster systems.I will most probably use them on the map.thanks

Posted some details on gameplay and 3 more screenshots.SEE post # 23


Mini update on post #19..(2 screenshots)


The terrain is 100%done. Screen shots at post#15

The food system for the map is finally working. Thanks to KrigeKongen for the triggers he provided which I combined with mine.



Terrain at about 45%
-added some doodads and refined some areas.
map layout>
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OLD Terrain-5%
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YOUR DEITY AWAITS..
 
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NOTE: The only available slot is for player 1 so create the map via single player..Again I'd like to stress out that this is an unfinished version, it doesn't even have the starting option triggers and most of the planned systems so technically it's not yet playable..Anyways,Ok guys here you go..
 

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Yes, 2 races human & alien.

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Do you have a link on where I can download it? For my map I'm planning on 4 races.Each race is divided into factions and has different governing Gods..
 

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Nope, it was a B-Net game. I never dl from sites unless its a campaign or solo map.
 
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I'm reserving the imports for the custom models of the units.I'm planning on using many custom models.
 
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terrain looks delicious, even if I become an expert triggerer, I think I won't be able to make terrains like these. good luck with the map.

but I'd like a more realistic one. I mean just one race as humans, and no power giver gods, and no supernatural thingas like heroes and etc.
 
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terrain looks delicious, even if I become an expert triggerer, I think I won't be able to make terrains like these. good luck with the map.

but I'd like a more realistic one. I mean just one race as humans, and no power giver gods, and no supernatural thingas like heroes and etc.

Thanks for stopping by, maybe for my next map I'll do something like Age of Empires or the Total War Series:thumbs_up:
 
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It's been a while since last update so here you go>
As of this post the Terrain is already finish, I will most probably go over it again prior to Final release but for now I'll let it as it is..For the beta I think the terrain that I have would suffice.

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*Now that the terrain is finished, I can now move on with the triggers..Anybody interested in helping me out?
 
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Interesting map, Real Time Strategy, City Building with a taste of Black & White. Hmm, could be my favorite combination!:wink: I don't have enough free time to participate, but I could help you with hints, advices, small triggers, providing links 'n other stuff that don't take up too much time.

PS: Great Presentation for a Map in Progress! Don't see that kind of Descriptions and Artwork in hive a lot. +Rep!:thumbs_up:
 
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Interesting map, Real Time Strategy, City Building with a taste of Black & White. Hmm, could be my favorite combination!:wink: I don't have enough free time to participate, but I could help you with hints, advices, small triggers, providing links 'n other stuff that don't take up too much time.

PS: Great Presentation for a Map in Progress! Don't see that kind of Descriptions and Artwork in hive a lot. +Rep!:thumbs_up:
Help in any form is most appreciated..thanks..

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Quick mini update
I started tweaking the gameplay triggers and began scaling the units for the map.For the beta release i would be using wc3 models but for the final map I would be importing custom ones as planned.(Modellers please help)For the mean time, I have this 2 screenies..Constructive criticisms, comments and suggestions are definitely most welcome..Thanks
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Update

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+ Cool thing, showing the day!:thumbs_up: Mayby I could add it to my map
(If I ever got the time):ugly:.
+/- Building structure looks nice, although I fear of massing peasants making it look ugly.
+ Nice Terrain!


QUESTIONS


- Is the Gold/Lumber normally that high?
- Map Size?
(seems small)
- Is there a "Road" System?
 
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Update

NOTICES


+ Cool thing, showing the day!:thumbs_up: Mayby I could add it to my map
(If I ever got the time):ugly:.
+/- Building structure looks nice, although I fear of massing peasants making it look ugly.
+ Nice Terrain!


QUESTIONS


- Is the Gold/Lumber normally that high?
- Map Size?
(seems small)
- Is there a "Road" System?

  • Gold and lumber are normally not that high. For the sake of map testing I just binded the up arrow key with triggers that adds to my total resources.
  • I'm only using normal WE, map size is epic.
  • Most of the buildings are required to be built next to a road, and units that walk into them has increased movement speed..There are 3 types of road in my map-dirt,cobble and last tier type is tile.
 
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UPDATE!UPDATE!
10-31-09

I started finalizing the gameplay and the systems I'd like to implement in the map. Triggers were made but not yet optimized, got to remove leaks. The following screenshots shows some progress on how the city building part of the map would be implemented, things like..
•BUILDING Placement System- Most of the buildings are required to be built either next to a road or another building type.
•POPULATION GROWTH and HOUSING-Different dwelling types can only support a certain number of persons. Lack of housing would reduce the happiness of your people leading to the following:they would revolt against you, leave your city,or turn into beggars.Capacity of house types are as follows: Peasant houses(5),Villas(6),Manors(7),Mansions(8).Random number and type of citizens are periodically created. In your Town Hall you can at any time turn ON/OFF Population Growth.
•CITIZEN TYPES and needs- different citizen types has different set of needs.(Need for Food,Entertainment and Faith all add up to a citizens' Happiness rating)Peasants needs fish and bread to satisfy them increasing their overall happiness; Citizens require fish ,bread and beer;Patricians' set of food need includes fish, meat, bread and wine; Noblemen(the highest citizen stature) needs fish, bread, meat and wine to be happy.Details on these would be posted as soon as I finalized them.
*I have so many ideas in my mind right now, things that I would like to be implemented in my map and as soon as I'm able to finalize everything I'll be posting them. For now I leave you with these screenies...
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Pangahas, you are a genius! I already love this map :D

But ehm VergilThazaar is right, you might get that if you are going to exceed 1000+ civilians because then at a time around 200 civilians will move every second, unless you change the time they will move or shorten the distance of course... But you should determine that when your going to test the map

Good luck with the map!

btw the last screenshots make me think of the anno series

http://www.gamoholic.net/images/stories/GC_Anno1404/anno_1404_1.jpg
 
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Tip: Include the map size in the first post.

Hmm massing units could cause the Command Bug, check this post to see what happened to a guy.

Well actually that's one of the issues I've been thinking of even before I started with this project.It's a given that WC3's engine is limited when it comes to handling massive units on screen and because of that I thought of some counter measures, I don't know if they would be effective but here's some of my ideas..
1.DISASTER SYSTEM- As in real life, I thought of implementing a disaster system that would be randomly triggered throughout the map therefore causing your citizens to die and in effect would prevent massing insane amounts of units.
2.LIMIT PLAYER SLOTS- Initially I planned the map to be at the least 8 players but given the gameplay of the map, most probably wc3 can't handle if all 8 players has 200+ units each so I'll trim it down maybe to 6 or even less.
3.POPULATION CONTROL- Originally non structure units don't cost food, so massing citizen units can easily be achieved but depending on the way my map testing goes I might consider giving them food costs or maybe I could make a trigger that would prevent a player from creating citizens when he reaches a population limit of lets say 250?
4.AGING Citizens- I thought of citizens aging then eventually dying of old age.I tried making a trigger that goes, whenever I create a citizen I put generic timers for it.It works but I just can't figure out how to not show death animation because he just explodes into bits hehe and I don't like that.Any ideas? I would have wanted it this way, when his timer is nearing expiration his movement speed would be reduced to 50% then he would just lay dead then vanish..I suppose that needs some modelling or animation editing?I'm focusing now on the gameplay and triggers so I might go over that when I'm done with it.
*Well that's just what I thought of so far, If you have any suggestions or some ideas with regards to this I would gladly like to hear them. I want this map to work..Worse comes to worst, If I can't make this work as a multiplayer map; I might just turn it into a singleplayer campaign map, but that's a last resort.

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Pangahas, you are a genius! I already love this map :D

But ehm VergilThazaar is right, you might get that if you are going to exceed 1000+ civilians because then at a time around 200 civilians will move every second, unless you change the time they will move or shorten the distance of course... But you should determine that when your going to test the map

Good luck with the map!

btw the last screenshots make me think of the anno series

http://www.gamoholic.net/images/stories/GC_Anno1404/anno_1404_1.jpg

First of all thanks for stopping by this thread. Actually the Anno series is one of the games that influenced me to make this map. I have been playing that and some other rts and city building games like black and white2, majesty2 etc. and I thought of making a map which is a combination of those games. Combining the fun of creating your own city, expanding then add it with traditional rts where you create military units to destroy your opposition..There are other features that I have thought of today and most of it are gameplay mechanics that I liked from the games I have played.Details of which would of course be posted on upcoming updates. Again thanks for viewing this thread and yes, GOODLUCK with this map! I need lots of that hehe..
 
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2.LIMIT PLAYER SLOTS- Initially I planned the map to be at the least 8 players but given the gameplay of the map, most probably wc3 can't handle if all 8 players has 200+ units each so I'll trim it down maybe to 6 or even less.

player limit? no good. it's no good to not be able to learn the map at custom game by myself.
 
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LOL i just cant wait to play this map!
I could help with terrain,triggers and ideas.
+REP for you!
I already finished doing the terrain part.I'm doing the triggers now, what type of triggers could you make in relation to my map? I would gladly like to hear any ideas you have for this map, if I like them I'll implement them.
 
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I already finished doing the terrain part.I'm doing the triggers now, what type of triggers could you make in relation to my map? I would gladly like to hear any ideas you have for this map, if I like them I'll implement them.

Well in triggers i can olnly do the most basic stuff.And i dont really know much about the map so I dont have any ideas YET,btw how many races will there be?
 
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What's the point ? Do you think he just copy/paste AoM ? ~~

I want to play this map, it really looks like my civilization map but there are differences that I appreciate and I really want to see :)
 
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Well in triggers i can olnly do the most basic stuff.And i dont really know much about the map so I dont have any ideas YET,btw how many races will there be?
YOU can know more about the map by going over the updates and the descriptions I provided on my first post, as for the question on how many races will there be..Well for the first version I would just be using 1 race..Humans,the basic techtree would be the same for all players and depending on which God you choose the upgrades, building alignments,unique units and GOD powers would vary.

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quick question are you going to add some triggers that spawn creeps or hostiles like rebellions if your citizens are being killed by you?
There would be neutral hostile spots throughout the map and if ever you would kill your own citizen it would increase your evil alignment.Whenever your evil alignment reaches a certain percentage it would unlock upgrades and some unique units.When you reach ultimate evil alignment you cannot convert back to being good and vice versa. Every building you make or actions you take will increase either your good or evil alignment.
 
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I GOT AN IDEA!!!



K so when the people chose their god to be pyramus they change into orcs!And by orcs i mean followers of the got pyramus who are very strong but stupid :ugly:.
Hmm I don't think that would fit the theme and the overall story the map is based on ,I don't like the map to be another orcs,elves cliche type of map..But when you choose Pyramus as your God your units would mostly be militaristic and much like the orcs they like going to war and also when you choose Pyramus you'll have better upgrades of weapons and armors.
 
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Hmm I don't think that would fit the theme and the overall story the map is based on ,I don't like the map to be another orcs,elves cliche type of map..But when you choose Pyramus as your God your units would mostly be militaristic and much like the orcs they like going to war and also when you choose Pyramus you'll have better upgrades of weapons and armors.

Oh, ok , ok do we have a god of death?
 
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Oh, ok , ok do we have a god of death?

YUp, that would be Zharakum, Vestra's brother..MAybe you could help with making ideas about the powers(spells) of each GOD.I want them to be unique..
AS soon as I have free time I would be posting the descriptions of the other GODS..
 
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Ok first the spells for Nerom (he'll be some guy on a flying horse right?)
1st Blinding light - the targets get stunned and slowly start losing hp.
2nd Demigod -when casted on a frendly female unit , after 9 seconds a child with super powers is born
3rd Flamestrike- the horse firis several fireballs around him (kinda like the wardens first spell)
4th The hero turns int oa gaiant fire orb ,he becomes immune to spells +9dmg +hp
 
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Ok first the spells for Nerom (he'll be some guy on a flying horse right?)
1st Blinding light - the targets get stunned and slowly start losing hp.
2nd Demigod -when casted on a frendly female unit , after 9 seconds a child with super powers is born
3rd Flamestrike- the horse firis several fireballs around him (kinda like the wardens first spell)
4th The hero turns int oa gaiant fire orb ,he becomes immune to spells +9dmg +hp

LOVE the 2nd spell,made me laugh..Spell name could be like KING'S BASTARD.lol.Keep them coming, All suggestions would be considered..I need an expert spell maker though to make the customs spells for me, I could only do simple custom spells..Ei trolman, I appreciate your interest for this project would you like to be idealist for the project?I need more ideas aside from mine..Suggestions on any aspect of the map like gameplay and mechanics are most welcome..
 
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You spoke about a god of death.
It can has spells like...
Deceases - Kills citizens and slow growth rate
Touch of death - Turn a unit into an undead, changing stats
The Ripper - Allow the player to use a deadly unit
Evil Presence - Make the process to become an evil ruler faster ? Or just increases evil points ?

Is Pyramus the god of war ?
If yes...
Battle Lust - Just a mass blood lust (maybe changing lust effect like adding damages or hp regen)
Avatar - Target a unit. The god just incarnate throught the unit
Endless Conquest - Highly increases a military aspect of the player but force him to fight every time he can (maybe disable allies when used?)
 
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You should get a website set up! That would be extremely useful for archiving stories/history and loading videos/pictures up. Even just a free one at webs.com or somewhere might be worth looking into!

and a banner or something would be great advertising! A flash one to put in signatures or even as avatar pic... =) This has great potential and it's worth the effort :p

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Endless Conquest - Highly increases a military aspect of the player but force him to fight every time he can (maybe disable allies when used?)

Wow that's a nice idea but why not just cast an everlasting bloodlust (or variant of) on all units? When it's active? Like a global bloodlust.

Increase attack speed/Movement Speed and decrease armour.

Or perhaps even add an ability and trigger that stops them from being able to hold position/stop like true bloodlust ^.^

EDIT 2: Or perhaps a really dangerous one (as in could be either crap or to uber) Give all military units vampirism aura and health degeneration but make the vampirism aura slightly outdo the degeneration.

On top of that give the combat bonuses of course. But this would most definitly force you to fight! lol


BACKGROUND UPDATE 2/11/09

as requested by pangahas here is Yelihr's background, hope you all like it =)


Yelihr god of deception/manipulation and persuasion.

Yelihr is a most unusal god. His arsenal contains deception, manipulation and persuasion.
This can prove to be a devastating combination, everything he says seems like the truth
but nearly everything he says is a lie and when it isn't he often wants you to think it is.
He uses words and actions to confuse and often drive his enemies insane.
He loves playing with humans and finds their gullible nature an excellent source of entertainment.
Yelihr is believed to be a shapeshifter and is often thought to take the appearance of a human
and spread lies and deceit that result in suicides, divorces, beheadings and various other
results he finds amusing. Yelihr on more than one occasion has gone to far and tried to ignite
feuds between the gods themselves and on one occasion very nearly succeeded but was thwarted
by Aidous who informed Nerom. Nerom threatened to cut out Yelihr's tounge should he ever
tryattempt such a malicious act again. Pyramus has shown great interest in Yelihr, although he
disapproves of his methods he relishes in their results and in turn considers Yelihr useful,
if only he could be tamed. Yelihr's symbol is that of snake constricting a skull, symbolizing
the slow, painful and complicated demise that awaits his foes.

Skills: Based on a typical 10 level hero build.

Three Basic:

Lips like honey, words like poison.

This skill will immediately convert targeted enemy villagers to your side.

Increasing the level will increase the amount converted.

Cause Unrest
Attempts to cause a rebellion at target location, chance to cause rebellion and rebellion size are increased with level.

:It was him!

This ability will turn enemy units in an area to neutral hostile for a period of time representing a civil war/disagreement due to Yelihr's interference.
AOE of and time staying neutral hostile will increase with level.

What's your's is mine. - ULTIMATE (Level 6 ability)

Timed ability, time increases with level.

Yelihr transforms into a human peasant of a random (or picked?) enemy team, this peasant is not directly
controllable by Yelihr's owner but will automatically walk around and attempt to cast 'create unrest' on friendly (this will technically be enemy to the owner of Yelihr)units, approx 1 casting every 30secs to a min. This spell will be a long one 5mins or so and if Yelihr is killed while in peasant form he is immediately returned to his real self but all his ability cooldowns are reset (must all recharge) and he has no mana.
 
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You should get a website set up! That would be extremely useful for archiving stories/history and loading videos/pictures up. Even just a free one at webs.com or somewhere might be worth looking into!

and a banner or something would be great advertising! A flash one to put in signatures or even as avatar pic... =) This has great potential and it's worth the effort :p

I agree tottaly with Grey Nightmare, advertising your map is a very big plus in adding fans/players, BUT only after (or at least near) the map is finished.

Nice ideas everyone, I just hope a good spell maker could join us with this project..

Have you tried the Project Recruitment Section?
 
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Thanks Grey, I was currently working on a such spell for my map and I thought "hmm I would share this idea :D".

Your ideas of regeneration/degeneration and your idea of no hold pos are really great. I was thinking of a spell called "Endless battle lust".

I can do some of the spells (triggers I mean) but in GUI and with memory leaks (yeah lots of disagreements but at least I can). And lots of your abilities look familiar with mine so it wouldnt be a so different work...
 
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Thanks Grey, I was currently working on a such spell for my map and I thought "hmm I would share this idea :D".

Your ideas of regeneration/degeneration and your idea of no hold pos are really great. I was thinking of a spell called "Endless battle lust".

I can do some of the spells (triggers I mean) but in GUI and with memory leaks (yeah lots of disagreements but at least I can). And lots of your abilities look familiar with mine so it wouldnt be a so different work...

Hey, no problem. It's great that we can help each other out :) that way we'll get many finished projects instead of one failed one =D
 
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is the god is a unit like hero or just ability like AOM?

The initial plan was that you can only cast the spells from the temple at lower tiers then when you reach a certain tier or when you researched a certain upgrade you would be able to summon the GOD as hero unit at the cost of faith points(MANA of the temple unit, it doesn't regenerate so you have to assign citizens to worship or sacrifice them; building shrines also provide the citizen's need for faith and increases the total amount of faith points the temple has..)
 
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The initial plan was that you can only cast the spells from the temple at lower tiers then when you reach a certain tier or when you researched a certain upgrade you would be able to summon the GOD as hero unit at the cost of faith points(MANA of the temple unit, it doesn't regenerate so you have to assign citizens to worship or sacrifice them; building shrines also provide the citizen's need for faith and increases the total amount of faith points the temple has..)

Would this god then stay as hero and be revivable etc? Or would it have a certain time limit to stay in 'mortal' form?
EDIT/UPDATE: Made 3 signatures =)
 
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Would this god then stay as hero and be revivable etc? Or would it have a certain time limit to stay in 'mortal' form?
EDIT/UPDATE: Made 3 signatures =)

I actually haven't decided on that yet..Which one do you you think is better? the summoning permanent or timed?

{EDIT 1}
The name is wrong, its MortAr- with an "-" in the end :p
Edit: I will see what I can do with the Blizzard/Avalance, Lightning Storm and Plague disasters.

I stand corrected, its with a "-" in the end..hehe
Looking forward to the other disaster systems.Would you like to be trigger and spell maker for the project even if part time. I need some help with the triggering part to speed things up..

{EDIT 2}
I need to get a consensus about something..Initially the plan was that there would only be 1 race which is the HUMANS..I'm considering dividing it into 3-4 factions based on the technology/techtree they specialize or excel at(SCIENCE&TECHNOLOGY,NECROMANCY&MYSTIC ARTS, NATURE&MAGIC)..THREE-FOUR factions that has the same base gameplay but distinct higher tier units,upgrades and building systems..ANd also I'm thinking of dividing the GODS into groups, and for each faction you could only build temples of the GOD from a certain GROUP.
GOOD IDEA OR NOT?PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS.


ANNOUNCEMENT#1:To prevent the first post from stretching due to updates, I decided to sort them out into parts. Please do take time to read them because it is where the details for this map would be posted.THANKS
ANNOUNCEMENT#2: I WILL MOST PROBABLY RELEASE THE TEASER/DEMO video of the MAP ON NOVEMBER 24, MY BIRTHDATE :mwahaha:
 
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Great idea as I've already said, as long as balancing doesn't become an issue!

As for the God/summoning I personally think if it is incorporated it should be timed otherwise it'll just turn into a hero-fight-fest :S and destroy most strategy elements unless of course you made the heroes dead weak... but what kind of gods would they be then? lol
 
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