Why isn't the Hive affiliated with WC3 Campaigns?

[HappyTauren]

This whole meme that "WC3C is for pro modders" only started after people began to abandon the site. In reality, WC3C is like the little kid whom nobody wants to play with, so the kid says "fine, I didn't want to play with you anyway."

Wc3c has got the bests ever. Vex? Pitzer? Mindworx? Rao Dao Zao? Jigrael? Tdr? Erwt?

I agree that a lot of those users are active here too, but they feel like they're home when at wc3c.

What my point is, is that most of those people are PROFESSIONAL at what they do. In two different senses. Erwt, TDR and jigrael are professional in sense that they make profits. Rao dao zao, mindworx, and pitzer have made amazing maps/engine mods/wc3 tools. While, mention 10 great things that THW has made. Yeah, you can't.

 

[HINDYhat]

So better not to have people who are going to USE resources and that will PLAY the maps.

I'd honestly prefer 50 competent users telling me that my map is good to 1000 idiots saying "yaa bro i luvv ur map!1! ". Chances are the competent members will actually give good reviews too.

 

[VeljkoM]

But then who is going to play your map? Sure it is better to get professional opinion but if it is for nothing you just waste your time.

And to Happy tauren: Maybe if you stop insulting everyone and thus making your self look like moron people would actually see logic about your posts. Also some people actually play games for fun and pleasure. You should try it.

 

[HappyTauren]

Some people don't make maps for popularity, you know.

 

[VeljkoM]

There was it hard to stop with the insults? Well any way you are right but it is not because of popularity I exactly thought.
But if nobody plays map then it is a shame unless they made map more for just pleasure. Then again people seem to play more maps that have their own web site and are regularly updated (at least on garena).

 

[PurplePoot]

There was it hard to stop with the insults? Well any way you are right but it is not because of popularity I exactly thought.
But if nobody plays map then it is a shame unless they made map more for just pleasure. Then again people seem to play more maps that have their own web site and are regularly updated (at least on garena).

Nah, some of us map just for the fun of it and/or for friends/communities we are in. Many people could care less how many people play their maps, however surprising it might be.

 

[Kwah]

Furthermore, one cares about the kind of people who plays the map, not so much as the number.

 

[En_Fuego]

Imo, Wc3c is by far 1000x more civilized than the hive. There is no 'fuck you noob quit your complaining' on wc3c. Wc3c accepts newbies into their userbase as long as they're willing to learn and take advise.

It's not so much that wc3c is a bunch of elitist jerks, they just know what they're doing and want to help people learn how to do things the proper way. The Hive is very similar, except on the Hive you get a lot more flaming towards new members who complain. Wc3c, on the other hand just gets rid of them out-right.

Think of it this way. If you're training with a personal trainer and he yells at you because you did something wrong again and again would you think he's an ass? If he yelled at you the first time you did something wrong would you think he's an ass?

I wouldn't, but then again I'm not some emotional pussy who cares what other people think. If someone thinks I did something wrong and flames me out right with no reason for it, then yeah, they're an ass. I hardly see that on either site though and when I do, it's mostly from the Hive.

 

[Viikuna]

Wc3c has got the bests ever. Vex? Pitzer? Mindworx? Rao Dao Zao? Jigrael? Tdr? Erwt?.

You just miss the point here. ( Dont worry, it wont make you a moron.. ) "Wc3c is for pro modders" is not true, even there is few pro modders in there. If there were only top modders it would be true, but thats not the case.

 

[Anachron]

We have alot of good guys too, just think about it:

• General Frank
• Happy Tauren (TA)
• PurplePoot
• Dr Super Good
• Me (lol)
• TDR
• WILLTHEALMIGHTY
• Dionesiist
• Bob27

and even more..

 

[Pyritie]

[...]the phrases like (Insert name here) will become famous soon enough on the rep.

Actually those are just included with vBulletin's rep system. Go to any forum that runs vB and has the rep system and you'll pretty much see the same messages.

We have alot of good guys too, just think about it:

• General Frank
• Happy Tauren (TA)
• PurplePoot
• Dr Super Good
• Me (lol)
• TDR
• WILLTHEALMIGHTY
• Dionesiist
• Bob27

and even more..

Half of those people are active on wc3c as well.

 

[ike_ike]

And you have serious issues. What gives you do right to insult people like that? Just because you right about the seriousness level. Hive is much friendlier if we don't count people like you.

The truth hurts.

And really, the Hive has become a hilarious shitheap in the resource section. Now we have loads of completely inept tools pretending to be moderators, flaming the crap out of newbs who are better than them. So much for friendliness.

 

[Anachron]

The truth hurts.

And really, the Hive has become a hilarious shitheap in the resource section. Now we have loads of completely inept tools pretending to be moderators, flaming the crap out of newbs who are better than them. So much for friendliness.

Its the people, not the hiveworkshop.

HWS just tries to be fair and friendly, but some are really bad,
and why should the friendly normal user end up with getting called
unfair, unsocial and an asshole?

 

[VeljkoM]

If you think Hive is shitheap then you have never seen EpicWar. I am still against insulting other people.

 

[HINDYhat]

Its the people, not the hiveworkshop.

The people are THW.

If you think Hive is shitheap then you have never seen EpicWar.

EpicWar is in a completely different category. It's not meant to be a community, rather a map database, and it accomplishes that very well. I've always found it convenient to upload my maps to EpicWar for distribution purposes, or to search for maps them there. Does anyone really sift through EpicWar maps to find a good one?

We have alot of good guys too, just think about it:
* General Frank
* Happy Tauren (TA)
* PurplePoot
* Dr Super Good
* Me (lol)
* TDR
* WILLTHEALMIGHTY
* Dionesiist
* Bob27
and even more..

HT, Poot, TDR, WILL and Dio have solid roots in wc3c. Not sure about the others though. Besides, that's a very subjective list... I think people have the greatest trouble in understanding the difference between 'effective criticism' and 'omggom elitism :infl_thumbs_down:'

 

[Dionesiist]

Actually, HT started out on the Hive I believe. General Frank as well at first, but he's much more active here because his geomerges weren't quite accepted back there. As far as activity goes, yes, Hive is a lot more lively. I personally spend more time here than on Wc3c.

 

[Anachron]

Can someone please close this thread?
Its going nowhere, I beleave.

 

[ike_ike]

Actually, HT started out on the Hive I believe. General Frank as well at first, but he's much more active here because his geomerges weren't quite accepted back there. As far as activity goes, yes, Hive is a lot more lively. I personally spend more time here than on Wc3c.

Way back when I recall seeing some model where the creator said that their aunt taught them to model. i lol'd. Then I realised that HT was the same age as me. Shit.

Yesh, WC3C is a bit dead nowadays. Except for the offtopic. Which is basically one guy talking to himself over and over.

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

Once you realize the purpose of Warcraft, only then will you realize hive is better.

 

[AIagremm]

I guess there's a lot of answers for this question, but it is better to think that both sites serve an exact purpose, and have differnt standarts. It doesnt mean that one site is worse then another. Its just what people prefer.

And yes, I changed my mind, ok? ^^'

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

We have alot of good guys too, just think about it:

• General Frank
• Happy Tauren (TA)
• PurplePoot
• Dr Super Good
• Me (lol)
• TDR
• WILLTHEALMIGHTY
• Dionesiist
• Bob27

and even more..

Flattering, but some of those aren't active, DSG is (and this is really just what I hear from more experienced people) not all that great, and in any case I started on Wc3c and am only more active here because Wc3c is nearing death.

 

[Dr Super Good]

...........

Anwyay, I started on WC3search and ended up here. WC3search used to be partners or affliciated or what ever with WC3C but that broke down it seems with the merger and stuff.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I could never connect to Wc3sear.ch because of a script error. I believe the line was "$$_NIGGER (something)".

 

[AIagremm]

Weird Oo

 

[Mulgrim]

same reason xbox360 and ps3 don't combine

 

[En_Fuego]

Hi, I'm gonna re-iterate what I said earlier, it's kind of important:

wc3c is no more a "pro" site than the hive. the people at wc3c are just more civilized

They don't have a bunch of 12-year olds running around uploading random crap to their database and accepting it because a bunch of 'mini-moderators' approved it. they have a real resource database, where they have actual expectations. not to mention most decent spells on the hive all source wc3c for resources.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Honestly nowdays they should probably affliciate with us as our standards have improved (no more random junk). However I still think there is some underlieing conflict between certain people which prevents it.

 

[HappyTauren]

Honestly nowdays they should probably affliciate with us as our standards have improved (no more random junk).

Wrong.

However I still think there is some underlieing conflict between certain people which prevents it.

The fact an administrator from another site requested to be banned doesn't say much?

 

[Anachron]

Wrong.

Wrong! In fact, hiveworkshop has been cleaned from alot of garbish.

 

[HappyTauren]

Wrong! In fact, hiveworkshop has been cleaned from alot of garbish.

Not enough.

 

[Anachron]

Not enough.

Doesn't matter, hive is on a good way.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Judging by this, I'd be better of at WC3C. Hmmm..

 

[Pyritie]

The fact an administrator from another site requested to be banned doesn't say much?

Ehh, it's more of a personal thing dusk has. It doesn't have to do with wc3c I don't think

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Well how I see it those sites are almost the same.
And wc3 campaigns have more friendly users. Well there are few really dumb guyz there, but most of community is helpful.
While on Hive you have more of everything, but people here are usually doing everything for themself. Just the things I noticed.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Its an administration conflict between the two sites (atleast most likly is)... More it is hard to say as there is no other reason.

 

[PurplePoot]

Ehh, it's more of a personal thing dusk has. It doesn't have to do with wc3c I don't think

Please drop the topic of Dusk. I said it was private and private it is. If this continues I'll start deleting posts about it.

 

[Anachron]

Please drop the topic of Dusk. I said it was private and private it is. If this continues I'll start deleting posts about it.

Better close this, this is already discussed to death and ended with letting it as it is.

 

[Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo]

And what's the deal with The Helpers net?
Seriously, that was the first site I came to and it helped me quite well. Also it has some really skilled members like 'Jesus4Lyf' who does some really good system as it seems.

Well doesn't matter, I like every site and it may really help with the masses of Wc3 modders. If all these 3 platforms merged there would be a chaos in the official "World Editor Help Zone" for example.
Although the advantages would be superior.

About the amount and manners of people... I think ones it reaches a critical mass you gonna get problems with spam. Not only in threads but also in the resource section: "5v5!!!!!! AWESOME LOLOLL "

Although that IS a kind of feedback... it really doesn't help anyone. So unless there are strict rules regarding spam that must be followed the site will most certainly run in huge problems.
In my opinion THW should really crack down the spam issue. Nevertheless it's getting better already.
There are just so man new people that just don't think before posting or just wanna add some small talk.
When I started modding I was passive at first. Read some tutorials, surfed on different sites and got some knowledge. When posting I somewhat never double posted (because that really is a common rule) and tried to search for answers before.

But since a lot of people act different it becomes a mess :/

However I like all 3 sites, although I most likely rarely visit The Helpers net anymore duo to the layout.
Regarding Wc3c I gotta say, that I asked some stuff about movement in triggering and so on and got really great answers in a short time. As long as you make sense and follow the rules Wc3c IS for newbies as well.

Don't forget about this:
"Welcome to Wc3C.net!"
"Welcome to a community where all are welcome. From amateurs to experts of Warcraft 3 modding"

 

[Hakeem]

the Hive has become a hilarious shitheap in the resource section. Now we have loads of completely inept tools pretending to be moderators, flaming the crap out of newbs who are better than them.

Then report it.


I like Hive vs. WC3C discussions as much as the next guy, but I think all that can be said, has been said by this point. Anything further can only be neutral or harmful.

I don't actually personally know the real reason. Whatever the reason, it hasn't changed yet. Perhaps some time in the future it will.