Warcraft III: Reforged PTR – Version 1.33.0.19010

[Anaxie]

I clicked to attack a crate and it crashed instantly....

Oh nooo..

 

[xorkatoss]

• Camera Zoom option is now added into the game.
  • Players can now update their zoom through their wheel up or wheel down or using PGUP and PGDN on the keyboard.
• New slider option in the game menu which will set your camera height at the start of the game. Players also have the option to adjust it higher

This is the only useful addition IMO! also the current functionality of wheel up/down and PGUP/PGDN is gonna be permanently removed?

Although useless I kinda like it to be able to zoom like this:

 

[Kakerate]

It would have been nice for them to implement the free camera someone made with MemoryHack about half a decade ago. Iirc, you could hold do ctrl+right mouse+drag to rotate, and ctrl+mousewheel to change camera distance. It was pretty great.

 

[_lycan]

It would have been nice for them to implement the free camera someone made with MemoryHack about half a decade ago. Iirc, you could hold do ctrl+right mouse+drag to rotate, and ctrl+mousewheel to change camera distance. It was pretty great.

this is already in the game you can use the insert and delete keys to rotate, and in the ptr they added zooming out (and in)

 

[Kakerate]

this is already in the game you can use the insert and delete keys to rotate, and in the ptr they added zooming out (and in)

Being able to rotate freely all 360° is suuuuper nice. Doesn't feel like ins/del at all, trust.

 

[OutsiderXE]

• Camera Zoom option is now added into the game.
  • Players can now update their zoom through their wheel up or wheel down or using PGUP and PGDN on the keyboard.
• New slider option in the game menu which will set your camera height at the start of the game. Players also have the option to adjust it higher

This is the only useful addition IMO! also the current functionality of wheel up/down and PGUP/PGDN is gonna be permanently removed?

Although useless I kinda like it to be able to zoom like this:
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Its still there. When you zoom in you can zoom in close to the character. Whe you zoom out the camera goes up much higher

 

[Deleted member 238881]

Its still there. When you zoom in you can zoom in close to the character. Whe you zoom out the camera goes up much higher

But there is no 360° rotation like Kakerate said. And that could be done natively even 20 years ago.

 

[yxq1122]

I think Blizzard should revise and rebuild the buggy Bnet client that always pops up the tip box showing an requesting error, even though map is being loaded.

EDIT: I think the Bnet client should handle that requesting error automatically. There's no need to pop up a tip box to the users.

 

[Barade]

When will the patch be released? When is the internal testing done? Does god exist? Is this hell and are we punished by waiting years for patches? Will my life be reforged and can I refund it? So many questions.

 

[BogdanW3]

When will the patch be released? When is the internal testing done? Does god exist? Is this hell and are we punished by waiting years for patches? Will my life be reforged and can I refund it? So many questions.

Does releasing equal happiness, or is it the expectations we have of a release that keep you happy?
We get a slice of randomness served on a platter made of chaos, and yesterday the dinner was delicious:
19089 Patch Notes

 

[Linaze]

Many thanks for the "patch notes". I assume with the PTR being down and no official patch notes published we're not yet supposed to know this yet. Fingers crossed that means they've got more cooking in the stew before they announce anything officially.

 

[BogdanW3]

Many thanks for the "patch notes". I assume with the PTR being down and no official patch notes published we're not yet supposed to know this yet. Fingers crossed that means they've got more cooking in the stew before they announce anything officially.

You can still play the PTR offline, just click on the login button (both times if the popup appears twice) then on the play offline button

 

[Linaze]

You can still play the PTR offline, just click on the login button (both times if the popup appears twice) then on the play offline button

I know, and I did. I more meant that the official communication is that the PTR is currently not running (although we technically can access it), along with the fact that there's no official patch notes when that was always posted almost immediately after PTR updates might imply this was not it in terms of coming updates before the next official communcation.

Anyway, it's just hopeful speculation from my side. Thanks again for keeping us posted.

 

[Barade]

I think any updates are welcome but yes I hope that it won't make the game worse which might be the case but at least releasing this patch might lead to more patches afterwards. The changes in this patch are really not important anymore due to wc3champions and zooming cameras etc. do exist in must fun maps. They ignore the custom maps community but if they won't release this one, nothing will ever happen, so

 

[Kakerate]

Is betting allowed on THW? I'd like one for if mappers will have to refactor swathes of code after each new patch!

 

[OutsiderXE]

Is betting allowed on THW? I'd like one for if mappers will have to refactor swathes of code after each new patch!

I'm not very familiar with 1.32+, but before that that was barely necessary. Biggest change for me was in 1.31 when leaks suddenly caused a black screen, but the changes I had to make led to an overall better performance.

 

[Deleted member 238881]

(...)Biggest change for me was in 1.31 when leaks suddenly caused a black screen, but the changes I had to make led to an overall better performance.

Yes, it can happen, but the case could have opposite consequences for other people. Just saying.

 

[Kakerate]

I'm not very familiar with 1.32+, but before that that was barely necessary.

Swapping of the roll/pitch/yaw functs were one, the order IDs another, after one of the patches flare-based abilities were removed after you used the last charge, maybe another 20 things from the patches since 2016. But if you don't use about every feature of the game's engine, most of them changing probably caused no issues for you.

 

[gadina_prokleta]

Jungle Trolls Reborn gets error messages when loaded with this version and cannot be saved with it.
I lost a few hours of work because of that.
So I guess that if I want to continue working on the map, my options are the following:

A. Install/Somehow revert to an older version.
B. Wait for them to fix it some sunny day.

Is that it?
Or do you know any better solution?

 

[BogdanW3]

Jungle Trolls Reborn gets error messages when loaded with this version and cannot be saved with it.
I lost a few hours of work because of that.
So I guess that if I want to continue working on the map, my options are the following:

A. Install/Somehow revert to an older version.
B. Wait for them to fix it some sunny day.

Is that it?
Or do you know any better solution?

The netsafe warning doesn't influence anything, but those fails are problematic. Are you intentionally leaving any file paths blank or anything? Also, what error do you get upon saving?
Make sure your JassHelper is enabled if you were using vJass, then save the map without any changes first to update to 1.33 object data, then see if anything broke. Don't make changes before testing it still works on a patch.
Quests with empty descriptions will crash when opening them in the F9 screen BTW.

 

[gadina_prokleta]

All was fine until the new patch.
Now I get the errors about scores of "undeclared identifier" in most triggers even if I open an older version of the game which (apparently) worked well at the time.

 

[Wrda]

The netsafe warning doesn't influence anything, but those fails are problematic. Are you intentionally leaving any file paths blank or anything? Also, what error do you get upon saving?
Make sure your JassHelper is enabled if you were using vJass, then save the map without any changes first to update to 1.33 object data, then see if anything broke. Don't make changes before testing it still works on a patch.
Quests with empty descriptions will crash when opening them in the F9 screen BTW.

@gadina_prokleta They disabled vjass by default, knuckleheads.

 

[gadina_prokleta]

Okay, thank you guys for the advice. I am trying to follow it, but I am not sure it helps.
Please be patient and help me find a solution.

1. I am pretty sure that JassHelper is enabled and it works by default. I already tried loading the map and saving it with no changes - to no avail.

2. I can't do much about vJass - the map was created back in 2006 and a lot of different tools have been used to work on it, including NewGen WE.

3. A lot of people have helped me solve problems with it over the years, and worked on the map presenting all kinds of technical solutions. Some are smart, others not so much. The code is complex and far from optimized. And of all those people, I am the one with the lowest level of technical skill.
However, I am the one who kept the thing running and being improved for all these years... Someone had to.
So if you mean me as the ignorant person, I completely agree - I don't really have the time to dedicate to learning Jass and vJass. I'm a designer, not a dev, and that's that.
However, if you meant Blizzard's devs, I couldn't agree more

4. So, back to the question: what is my best course of action? I'm looking for an advice.

• A. Wait and hope that Blizzard will provide some compatibility patch?
• B. Try to use older version of Warcraft 3?
• C. Look for someone more competent than myself to rework whatever this version of editor is unhappy with?

 

[Linaze]

You don't have to learn vJass to check this:

If you opened the map in 1.33 WE and didn't check the above, then I can guarantee you JassHelper is not on and every one of your triggers containing vJass will fail to compile.

Edit: I've honestly explained this to enough people the last few days who insist their maps are "broken" that maybe it would be useful if THW could try to use its reach to inform people about this?

 

[gadina_prokleta]

God, I'm blind.
Waking up slowly today, I guess.
Thank you!

In my defense, I remember that every time I saved the game, I saw something about JassHelper checking it - and so I assumed it was on.

Anyway, with JassHelper turned manually on, I managed to save the map. I can only hope nothing is broken, but there is no way to manually check all those triggers. I still get the new netsafe errors, but I guess I can live with that.

Thank you once again!

 

[Wrda]

However, if you meant Blizzard's devs, I couldn't agree more

My friend, it's always them and the trollish moves.

Also, one of my maps became kind of slightly broke on patch 1.32, I can't remove these nonsensical things permanently, they just show up when I open the map on world editor again.

 

[BogdanW3]

My friend, it's always them and the trollish moves.

Also, one of my maps became kind of slightly broke on patch 1.32, I can't remove these nonsensical things permanently, they just show up when I open the map on world editor again.

Those come from having problems in the wtg file, they are completely empty triggers or variables made with fallback settings as there is no valid data for them to load. When the wtg files break is not yet documented afaik.

 

[Kakerate]

I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every update shall be not required to fun the f*cking game, every memory struct and patch shall be made available, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Engine shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

 

[Retera]

and the glory of the Engine shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together

Yes!